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Mississippi's proposed Amendment 26 to ban birth control and abortion

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#1 Mega

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:04 AM

Taken from dailykos.com:

On November 8th, the voters of Mississippi will be considering a "Personhood Amendment" (Amendment #26) which would give a fertilized egg more rights than a live born woman, and would outlaw abortion and birth control. The threatening part about this amendment (and others like it proposed in all the other States) is that it could be a vehicle to be used in the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade and thus make abortion and birth control illegal throughout the country. This High Tech Uterine Occupation should scare every progressive and every woman. But, the Democratic Party is not working to organize against this dangerous amendment. The word hasn't gotten out about how to help fight this.


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Voters in Mississippi will be given a chance to decide whether life begins at conception, a controversial abortion-related ballot initiative that the state's highest court has refused to block.
The Mississippi Supreme Court late Thursday allowed Measure 26, also known as the Personhood Amendment, to appear on the state ballot November 8. The decision was a rejection of a lawsuit filed by the ACLU and abortion-rights groups.
The 7-2 ruling said those groups had not met the legal burden required to restrict the right of citizens to amend the state constitution.
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"We cannot invade the territory of the legislature or the electorate to review the substantive validity of a proposed initiative, and thereby, we will honor the maxim embodied in the constitutional mandate of separation of powers," said Justice Randy Pierce for the court.
He said any challenges to the constitutionality of such statutes can come only after they are enacted or approved by voters.
The measure would amend the constitution to extend "personhood" to the unborn, likely rendering abortions illegal in the state if upheld.
Anti-abortion forces hope the amendment, if passed, would ultimately be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, providing another opportunity for the justices to overturn the landmark Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion.

"Although our opponents were beaten in this lawsuit, we know that they will not stop in their desperate attempts to deny the obvious truth that life begins at conception and that every life deserves to be protected in the law," said Steve Crampton, general counsel of the conservative legal group Liberty Counsel. "Not only Mississippians, but all Americans, should support this commonsense amendment."
A coalition of abortion-rights groups -- including Planned Parenthood Federation of America and the Center for Reproductive Rights -- expressed disappointment in the opinion.

"A measure will be on the ballot that will allow the government to dictate what is a private matter that's best decided by a woman, her family and within the context of her faith. Mississippi voters should reject this intrusive and dangerous measure," said Nsombi Lambright, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Mississippi.

Mississippi is the only state with a "personhood" initiative on the ballot this year. Similar measures are being planned for next year in Florida, Montana and Ohio, say supporters. Efforts it at least five other states are in the planning stages.
The state high court also allowed separate ballot initiatives on eminent domain and voter identification.
The property rights initiative would block the state from taking private land and giving it to another person or business. Eminent domain has traditionally been used to acquire a citizen's land for such projects as transportation and infrastructure improvements, but the U.S. Supreme Court has recently given local governments the power to use eminent domain for private economic development.
The other measure endorsed by the Mississippi court would require voters to present state-issued identification when they vote.
The "personhood" case is Hughes v. Hosemann (2010-1949).


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Personally, I'm disgusted that such an initiative is being considered. A woman should not have to carry to term the offspring of a rapist, and I personally believe that woman should have the right to choose what happens to a fertilized egg over any man simply because it's not the man's body affected. But that's a whole different can of worms.

Either way, this is unsettling, and I sincerely hope that this doesn't pass.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:08 AM

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Note to self: Avoid Mississippi. Full of crazies.

Banning abortion is bad enough, but birth control? These people are stupid, evil, or both.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:12 AM

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Note to self: Do not have sex in Mississippi.

Edited by turbojet, 11 October 2011 - 12:33 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:14 AM

Note to SSMB: I'm in Mississippi right now. I live there. There isn't a bunch of crazies. I promise.

I agree with the OP in that a woman should have the right to choose.

Unrelated: Isn't there a cut-off date where the baby can no longer be aborted? I can't seem to remember.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:17 AM

Women deserve the right to choose whether or not to have children, and that right should never be infringed upon.

Birth control is absolutely necessary in today's society, and abortion is sometimes necessary too; the latter usually having long-term mental and emotional consequences for the former mother-to-be (and when it doesn't, when the woman aborts casually and on a whim, she probably would've given the kid a shitty life anyway) which frankly ought to be considered punishment enough.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:18 AM

I don't have anything against Mississippi itself, since I know not everyone is the same. However, I feel really uneasy knowing that the legislation would propose something like this, especially since other states plan on doing the same thing.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:21 AM

You guys can rest assured I will be writing a letter.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:26 AM

This is absurd and there's no way it'll survive a challenge to the Supreme Court. Still, the very fact that it's being considered is twisted as Hell.

The biggest problem with crazy people is that they breed like rabbits.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:34 AM

This is absurd and there's no way it'll survive a challenge to the Supreme Court. Still, the very fact that it's being considered is twisted as Hell.

The biggest problem with crazy people is that they breed like rabbits.

You don't know Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, and John Roberts?

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:36 AM

Unrelated: Isn't there a cut-off date where the baby can no longer be aborted? I can't seem to remember.

Uh, well, you couldn't exactly abort a baby the day before your due date. The specific cut-off varies depending on where you are though. Much as I'm pro-abortion, the cut-off stage in the UK is far too late. But that's another subject really...

Really, every time I hear something like this it makes me think about how the population America is scarily polarised in so many ways. There'll always be people on either end of the scale, but the divide in America is so huge compared to every other more developed country I have knowledge of. Makes me glad to live in the UK honestly. It may suck in so many ways, but I love how progressive and liberal we are. Mississippi has every right protect to uphold traditions, beliefs and such but nothing should get in the way of an individual's choice like this.

Edited by Blue Blood, 11 October 2011 - 12:48 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:48 AM

As unpopular as this opinion is, I don't personally feel that abortion is right, unless there's extreme circumstances. It just doesn't seem fair to terminate the existence of another person (or person-to-be, however you choose to look at it). Birth control is good, though, because it prevents unwanted pregnancies in the first place. So overall, this proposed law isn't a very good one.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:52 AM

I stand corrected. We're screwed.


You don't know Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia, and John Roberts?

I stand corrected. We're screwed.

EDIT: Even though you're right about Thomas, Scalia, and Roberts, I'm still unconvinced it would survive the Supreme Court.

Kagan, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kennedy, and Breyer will note vote in support of this law and I'd wager that Alito wouldn't either.

Edited by SpookyMulder, 11 October 2011 - 01:05 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2011 - 12:53 AM

As unpopular as this opinion is, I don't personally feel that abortion is right, unless there's extreme circumstances. It just doesn't seem fair to terminate the existence of another person (or person-to-be, however you choose to look at it). Birth control is good, though, because it prevents unwanted pregnancies in the first place. So overall, this proposed law isn't a very good one.

Don't be afraid to share your opinions! Even if (and especially if) they're unpopular. Makes the discussion more interesting.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:02 AM

Note to self: Avoid Mississippi. Full of crazies.

Banning abortion is bad enough, but birth control? These people are stupid, evil, or both.

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But yeah, it's mostly stupid people 'round these parts. This is really dumb and they should feel bad.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:07 AM

*jaw drops at the proposed bill* You've GOT to be kidding me!!

Whoever proposed this bullshit "amendment" needs to be impeached… :angry:

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:25 AM

I agree with birth control and abortion. However, I also understand that not all abortions are necessary or even advisable (but these cases are so delicate that the government should ignore them anyway). Go ahead and have the abortion; chances are it's the safest option for you, your family, and your friends. But don't for a moment be fooled into believing that the fetus is not a human life. It is, which is another reason why accidental pregnancy is no laughing matter. Again, I'm still pro-choice, and even pro-Planned-Parenthood.

It seems that in this case the Conservatives use the emotional arguments of a 12-year-old girl (which are otherwise employed almost exclusively by the Left). I tend seek logic and cold, hard facts over what "feels" good, regardless of where it leads me on the political spectrum.

So yeah, this law is fucked up. The Right's strictness on sexuality creates a sharp inconsistency in an ideology and political party that otherwise promotes individualism, privacy, self-protection, and general freedom.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:32 AM

I was going to mention the Catholic domination of the Supreme Court, but turbojet beat me to it. This is precisely why these state initiatives to ban abortion--and, in some cases, even birth control--are popping up now. No one dares to challenge them in court, in case it does get to the Supreme Court and the Catholic majority there decides to impose their anti-choice doctrine onto the American public and overturn Roe v. Wade, in which case the floodgates are opened and every self-loathing religionist who thinks sex is evil unless you're breeding will seize the opportunity to impose their anti-human ideology upon everyone else. I was deeply disappointed that Obama appointed another Catholic to the Supreme Court. Ideally, a person's religion ought not to disqualify them from any position in the government, but you'd think that more care would be taken to make a bench that was more representative of the public as a whole and not disproportionately favouring one religious point of view over all others.

I hope the people of Mississippi are reasonable enough to resist this effort to curtail sexual freedom and personal choice that has no rational basis whatsoever and is simply a religiously motivated assault upon human rights and upon women's rights in particular.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:38 AM

I dont understand why other people want to decide for the woman. It's her choice. People are nuts.

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:44 AM

While I maintain that a fetus is indeed a human life by principle, as long as it is connected to an umbilicle cord, it is still a part of the woman's body. This fact overrides the fact that it is a human, because the mother has aspirations, hopes, and dreams.

Edited by SpikySprinter, 11 October 2011 - 01:45 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2011 - 01:53 AM

On November 8th, the voters of Mississippi will be considering a "Personhood Amendment" (Amendment #26) which would give a fertilized egg more rights than a live born woman,

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=r2xDJPc-yaM

PLease tell me I read that wrong. What has this world come to.




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