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[Soniman]

I love Eggman, with his eccentric personality, passion for empire and robot building, and his interactions with his most hated enemy, Sonic.

But I often wonder what it would be like if the series had a second antagonist. Someone with a far different style from Eggman, someone who brought something new to the table in terms of presentation, personality, or minion gallery.

I fancied the idea of someone who dabbled in sorcery, or something like that, though I feel that would be to "un-sonic".

How would you feel about a secondary antagonist having a place in the series, and if so, how should they be represented?

[The Cheese]

Just reinstate some of the existing characters as a rival role instead whenever the need arises. For me that's pretty much problem solved.

[Soniman]

Just reinstate some of the existing characters as a rival role instead whenever the need arises. For me that's pretty much problem solved.

Well, I would like someone who has "take over the world" ambitions. I feel it would break up the monotony somewhat, the only recurring villian I can think of with that type of agenda is Eggman Nega, and lord knows I don't want that shoddy Eggman recolor back.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

If for the sake of keeping things fresh, why not? Obviously Eggman would hold the spot as the primary antagonist just to let any nay-sayers out there know, so it wouldn't hurt anything. I think a few other recurring antagonist would benefit things.

Problem is how are you going to make the secondary antagonist, and what traits would you give them so that they are well liked to continue to be used in the series? I would vote for Ix from Chronicles to be the secondary antagonist (although some things have to be remade the way I look at how Chronicles was done), but I'm open to hear other suggestions.

You brought up sorcery as one, although to be frank, that sounds very Archie Sonic. So other than Ix, I'm kinda at a loss. There's Nega, but I'm neutral on him. Metal could rise as one, but unless he's going to go lone wolf from Eggman, he sort of zig-zags how you would expect a secondary antagonist would be if you want one independent from Eggman.

[Rusty Spy]

Not that Sonic SHOULD get a secondary villain, but a lot of the rivals make for excellent 2nd class villains.

Though with how good Sonic is at making friends most of his "rivals" are generally on good terms with him. Shadow's sorta resigned as antagonist, Metal would quickly lose his novelty as a main villain and works much better as The Dragon, and most other main villains introduced in the games are on a 'permanent vacation'.

I frankly like the dynamic Nega has with Eggman, but considering his worldly status, he'd pretty much have to be shoehorned into Sonic's world to make him take on villainy in the main games.

[Reggie Fils-Aime]

Dr. Eggman is probably my favorite gaming villian, but it gets old having the same villian after a while. I've wanted to see Metal Sonic return as a Major Villian, also Mephiles to return. Mephiles has a less chance of returning because of how bad 06 was.

I'm not very fond of Nega, he seems to much like Eggman, I don't want Eggman Nega to be a major villian for a change of pace because he's pretty much Eggman with different hair color and different color clothes. I would really love to see a new Villian to take the spotlight though.

[Azure Yakuzu]

Just reinstate some of the existing characters as a rival role instead whenever the need arises. For me that's pretty much problem solved.

The main problem with this is that no other rival has any real reason to antagonize Sonic, him and Shadow may butt heads here and there but they're far from enemies, Metal is mostly support for Eggman, and him and Knuckles are pretty much friends now. The only character that can fit that bill is Jet, and hes largely unimportant so I think a new antagonist is in order.

[JezMM]

People are saying Eggman Nega is just a recolour with not much other difference. SOMEONE ALERT DR MECHANO IMMEDIATELY. D8



I'd like to see Nack pop up as a recurring villian again though he sure as hell wouldn't appease any of the "SONIC IS TOO KIDDY" fans since I imagine him being a mostly comedic villian - which is good in my books because I can imagine him, like Eggman, going REALLY dark on us once the cards are in his favour and not holding back with his threats.

[HunterTSF]

Aside from appearances and affinity for mechanics, Eggman and Nega are polar opposites and anybody saying otherwise is not paying any attention to what he actually does. They have completely different personalities and goals, and the similarities that they do have are all explained in-game.

• Eggman is bombastic and humorous, Nega is cold and calculating.
• Eggman builds to create, Nega builds to destroy.
• Eggman's machines tend to be geometric and orderly, and follow a fairly standard colour scheme. Nega's machines are organic and abstract, and seem to be completely all over the place with bizarre colour palettes.
• Eggman wishes to create perfect order in the form of Eggmanland, a world in which he dictates with an iron fist. Nega wishes to create perfect chaos in the form of eradication of all existence, in the most chaotic and destructive way possible.
• Eggman is willing to put his life on the line in order to save the world, whereas Nega is willing to put his life on the line to destroy it.

Now Nega, being a member of the Robotnik family tree, has the genetic make-up that results in him both having the physique of a moustachioed jelly bean and the mind of a genius. The alikeness in nickname and outfit is entirely by choice on Nega's behalf, as one does not acquire the name "Eggman Nega" without the knowledge that another Eggman exists. (Even if you do refute the canocity of Rivals, during the events of Rush he directly states that it was he was the one who made first contact with Eggman in Sonic's dimension. Oh, Nega knew of Eggman before Eggman knew of Nega all right.)



In regards to the topic at hand: The series already does have a secondary antagonist in the form of Dr. Eggman Nega, who's had a major role in five games already. But I'm more than okay with seeing more recurring villains; I'd like to see Captain Whisker and Johnny make a return, for one. They were amazing! Erazor has the opportunity of coming back as well if that magic lamp he was sealed in happened to be lava-proof. Aside from that, I can't think of anybody else who could return with recurring roles aside from Metal Sonic and Metal Sonic 3.0, and the former's already doing that just fine.

EDIT: Oh! And Big Boom Boo. Seeing as ghosts in the series are so prevalent, we need to see more of this guy. He is the King of Ghosts after all, and he could certainly make an interesting recurring character!

Edited by HunterTSF, 18 October 2011 - 03:45 AM.

[Koopalmier]

Eggman Nega.
He has so much potential yet was only the villain in 4 games.

[Gregzilla]

I think Sega needs to work on making Robotnik the main villain for the games, but I think Nack would be a good secondary baddie. Maybe Robotnik could be the main villain, but every now and then Nack would come in and try to steal the spotlight for a few minutes. I DON'T think they should make a new character as a secondary villain any time soon, though. Since there are so many Sonic characters already, they should work on fleshing out the ones that they already have first. I'd like to see Robotnik become more of a threat before we get any new guys in the picture.

[Nepenthe]

Eggman succeeded in blowing the world up and establishing Eggmanland, essentially achieving his ultimate goal in a single installment. Not many villains have that achievement under their belt, so it raises the question of what more does he have to do to be seen as credible? Do a Time Eater and rearrange the entire universe?

That's my main sticking point against another secondary villain. Eggman does such a satisfactory job that it's pointless from a fan service angle. No one likes anyone else as an antagonist enough for them to receive such an honor and everyone hates character introductions.

[Darth InVaders]

I do think Sonic should have a rogues gallery of other villains to prevent villain decay.

In addition to returning old villains (I would like to see the Battle Bird Armada - as unlikely as that is), new ones aren't bad either. However, I feel that real magic would not fit the Sonic brand - unless it was fake hocus pocus tricks like Spider-Man's Mysterio (I'd support Wendy Witchcart and her goons returning in this capacity as hilarious jobbers, though more as a side show distraction and not as credible threats). And by "real magic" I mean stuff from Harry Potter that can't be explained by science (even the Chaos Emeralds have science trying to explain them in the Sonic series - see when Tails made the fake Emerald in SA2).

[Edward_Elric]

I'm with some of the people here, Nack could be a pretty cool/good secondary antagonist. He could be like the guy behind the scenes who screws things up for both Sonic and pals and Eggman alike, and does everything he does for his own gain, like getting all the chaos emeralds for himself. The only problem is, would he be a lone wolf kinda guy, or would he have his own little gang of baddies.

[batson]

Aside from appearances and affinity for mechanics, Eggman and Nega are polar opposites and anybody saying otherwise is not paying any attention to what he actually does. They have completely different personalities and goals, and the similarities that they do have are all explained in-game.

• Eggman is bombastic and humorous, Nega is cold and calculating.
• Eggman builds to create, Nega builds to destroy.
• Eggman's machines tend to be geometric and orderly, and follow a fairly standard colour scheme. Nega's machines are organic and abstract, and seem to be completely all over the place with bizarre colour palettes.
• Eggman wishes to create perfect order in the form of Eggmanland, a world in which he dictates with an iron fist. Nega wishes to create perfect chaos in the form of eradication of all existence, in the most chaotic and destructive way possible.
• Eggman is willing to put his life on the line in order to save the world, whereas Nega is willing to put his life on the line to destroy it.

But none of their differences in personality changes the fact that they are both egotistical scientists who uses animal-themed robots and other high-tech stuff to try to achieve their goals... and who also look excatly alike and have the same voice actor.

Sorry, but no, as far as i am concerned Eggman Nega is still way to similar to Eggman to be a worthwile character, and when Sega created him they wasted a perfectly good opportunity to introduce a recurring antagonist that is truly different from the one they already have.

[Random Rhyme 3rd Verse]

Sonicman.

He is just the man for the job.

[Rally the Cheetah]

I'm with some of the people here, Nack could be a pretty cool/good secondary antagonist. He could be like the guy behind the scenes who screws things up for both Sonic and pals and Eggman alike, and does everything he does for his own gain, like getting all the chaos emeralds for himself. The only problem is, would he be a lone wolf kinda guy, or would he have his own little gang of baddies.

Yeah I was thinking Nack would be a good one as well just because Knux has teamed up with Sonic and Shadow is more or less on the side of good. As you mentioned though Nack would likely just sorta be an annoying character that throws his 2 cents in every now and again and doesn't shoot for anything more than a mid boss. Also he'd make for good competition with Rouge for jewel thief. I don't know, I always saw him as the bounty hunter type, doing, whatever for money and stealing stuff on the side.

Sadly I feel another group has taken up this kind of role though Nack would probably do a better job than them.

[SKANKFUNK]

There needs to be a double agent Motobug, that's all. =3

(But I feel as though they're just starting to make Eggman the main villain again after so many monster of the week type deals... I'd let him sit alone in the villain throne before introducing a different threat... Although I do wonder what happened to Capt. Whisker. o: Sure the Eggmen made him, but I could see him getting into a comedic fight with Eggman and going rogue. Alternatively, Cubot could do the same, dragging Orbot along with him. xD)

[Jesterbumon]

A secondary villain? I would choose Lord Ix from Chronicles, he seems to be the only guy after Eggman that can actually come back after defeat.
Lord Ix could just try to use elaborate schemes to kill Sonic as revenge for ruining his plans.

[Azure Yakuzu]

A secondary villain? I would choose Lord Ix from Chronicles, he seems to be the only guy after Eggman that can actually come back after defeat.
Lord Ix could just try to use elaborate schemes to kill Sonic as revenge for ruining his plans.

Rather than making another antagonist for Sonic, how about he becomes Knuckles` arch enemy instead.

Edited by Shadic93, 19 October 2011 - 03:29 AM.