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[Amomynous]

Why the flying fuck did they put that in there, anyway?

EDIT: Is that implying romanticists and feminists are evil?

No, implying Eggman is affably evil, which he is.
Or were you not being serious?

Can't believe people forgot about the stuff in the Heroes manual.

ohwaiteveryonehatedheroes Nevermind. ;w;

Everyone forgets the manuals, even Sega.
Sega, stop saying Sonic is hot-tempered, damnit, (or make the writing match.)
Among other things.

Edited by Mysterics, 09 November 2011 - 02:21 PM.

[MarcelloF]

If there's one thing I've learned from Naruto, it's that women are men who are completely useless. So no surprise that Eggman is surprised that Blaze could do something.

[Azure Yakuzu]

If there's one thing I've learned from Naruto, it's that women are men who are completely useless. So no surprise that Eggman is surprised that Blaze could do something.

OH SNAP!!! Fortunately, this isn't Naruto and the most of the girls actually get to do something(...most of the time).

[Koopalmier]

Eggman said that to be an asshole. That's all.

[midori]

What about Merlina? She's a full fledged antagonist in a game and would manage to beat Sonic himself if the Deus-Ex Excalibur transformation didn't occur. Blaze is quite a wimp next to her in terms of efficiency.

[batson]

If there's one thing I've learned from Naruto, it's that women are men who are completely useless. So no surprise that Eggman is surprised that Blaze could do something.

Well whaddaya know, i learned the exact same thing from Dragon Ball!

You know what, call me racist and shit, but, generally speaking, i think the japanese are a bit more sexist than westerners. And when i say "a bit", i actually mean a lot. Which is saying something considering how sexist western society still is.

Edited by batson, 09 November 2011 - 06:27 PM.

[Azure Yakuzu]

Well whaddaya know, i learned the exact same thing from Dragon Ball!

You know what, call me racist and shit, but, generally speaking, i think the japanese are a bit more sexist than westerners. And when i say "a bit", i actually mean a lot. Which is saying something considering how sexist western society still is.

Japan aren't sexist at all, they're just more traditional than other societies, and traditional says that Men are the big dogs.

[Mr. Awesomest]

Japan aren't sexist at all, they're just more traditional than other societies, and traditional says that Men are the big dogs.

Which is sexist.

But that said, women are usually weaker than men. There's a dozen men that look like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime, but there's considerably less women that achieve the same. Or would want to.

As for Eggman talking to Blaze, I would have to agree with Koopalmer and say he did it to piss her off. That or he doesn't put muscular women in the "Girls" category. Either one.

Edited by Mr.Awesomest, 09 November 2011 - 08:18 PM.

[Blazey Firekitty]

If women in shonen manga and anime are men who are useless, does that mean Krillin was a woman the entire time? XD

All joking aside, I think it's possible that Eggman has quite a bit of respect for Blaze, based on her skills, even if he does become frustrated and angry with his enemies often. I think part of the reason Blaze was so angry with Eggman(Well, aside from taking her emeralds and putting reality in danger in the first place) may have been that she's used to dealing with Nega, who hasn't, at least from what we've seen, shown any redeemable qualities...that may explain why she was so quick to want to actually kill Eggman, while Sonic only wants to stop what Eggman's doing while doing minimal harm to the man himself.

[batson]

Japan aren't sexist at all, they're just more traditional than other societies, and traditional says that Men are the big dogs.

How in the world can you consider a society where "men are the big dogs" as separate from a sexist society?! A society where men are considered superior to women and/or higher in rank is exactly what a sexist society is (and for that matter, so would a society where women are the top dogs and men are considered to be below them, but such a society of course doesn't actually exist at this point in history...). Honestly, going by your logic, a society where whites rank above blacks wouldn't necassarely have to be a racist society. Sorry if it sounds like im overreatcing, but im pretty flabergasted right now about what you said there...

Edited by batson, 09 November 2011 - 09:33 PM.

[Blazey Firekitty]

I'm not sure what Shadic meant, but he may have meant that "big dogs" in terms of heroic knights in shining armour, rather than rapists, spousal abusers, sexual harrassers, and other such oppressors. It still seems overly patronizing and outdated, but he probably didn't mean it to sound offensive on purpose.

I used to want a matriarchy, but not anymore. I feel what we need is equality, rather than simply trading the places of the oppressors and the victimized for the sake of revenge, which is what I once wanted in my more bitter moments.

Edited by Blazey Psychounicorn, 09 November 2011 - 09:34 PM.

[batson]

I used to want a matriarchy, but not anymore. I feel what we need is equality, rather than simply trading the places of the oppressors and the victimized for the sake of revenge, which is what I once wanted in my more bitter moments.

Here is what i think is the main problem with the idea of matriarchy: We tend to think that a matriarchal world would probably be a less violent place than todays patriarchal one, with less wars and shit, since women tends to be less violent than men, and perhapes also a more sympathic society, since women tends to be more, well, sympathic. But i believe that the fact that women tends to be less violent and competative than men has a lot to do with the way they are raised to be more submissive than men, which is of course also a big factor in the fact that the patriarchal society where men are on top can survive. If women weren't raised to be submissive and to want to avoid conflict, our patriarchal society wouldn't be able to remain patriarchal. A matriarchal society would probably have to be one where women are the ones who are (like men in our present society) the ones who are being raised to be competative and aggressive. And if women were raised like men are raised today, they would most likely be just as prone to violent conflicts and antisocial behavior as men are today.

In other words, i believe that a matriarchal society would most likely be just as violent and unsympathic as a patriarchal one, it's just that women would be the ones primarly responsible for antisocial acts just as men are the ones primarly responsible for such acts in todays society. Granted, the fact that women aren't as pshysically strong as men would undoubtebly be a factor that prevented a complete role-reversal from todays society (like, even if there were as many women who were as keen on beating their husbands as there are men who beats their wives today, female-on-male abuse would probably never be as big a problem as male-on-female abuse is today due to men being more able to defend themselves against the opposite sex). But of course, being outright physically abuse is hardly the only way to express aggression, dominate others or act antisocialy.

Basically, which gender sits on top of the food chain doesn't have much to do with which gender has which genetalia. It has to do with which gender is raised in a way that gives them a drive to try to "climb the latter" and dominate others, and which gender is raised to be sympathic and to avoid conflict. A matriarchal society would probably be one where women are the former. It woudln't be a calm, sympathic society where what we today percieve as "feminine" traits rule, because women wouldn't have much of those feminine traits. If anything, men would be likely to be the ones who have those traits, and men would be the underdogs who are being dominated and marginalized.

In short, a matriarchal society would suck just as much as our present patriarchal society. Or at least, that's what i believe would probably be the case. But i suppose it is also possible to imagine a society where women are the ones in charge yet do not remain in charge through the same means that men use to remain in charge today, but through some other means entirely, perhapes even through some kind of means that do not require women to become an aggressive and dominating group. But what means that would be though, i really couldn't say...

[Blazey Firekitty]

I feel that your analysis makes a lot of sense, Batson. Men and women are more similar than we realize, and it's too easy to forget at times that masculine and feminine are not the same thing as male and female. We as human beings are often puppets of our culture, and as long as one group of humans is enabled by culture to dominate another, we won't have peace.

[Azure Yakuzu]

How in the world can you consider a society where "men are the big dogs" as separate from a sexist society?! A society where men are considered superior to women and/or higher in rank is exactly what a sexist society is (and for that matter, so would a society where women are the top dogs and men are considered to be below them, but such a society of course doesn't actually exist at this point in history...). Honestly, going by your logic, a society where whites rank above blacks wouldn't necassarely have to be a racist society. Sorry if it sounds like im overreatcing, but im pretty flabergasted right now about what you said there...

Dude, calm down. You asked a question and I answered based on my knowledge. Traditionally, Men are always viewed as superior to Women, do I agree with that? Not necessarily, but I understand its the mindset of society, and that's in been going on long before sexism was even a term.

[Blazey Firekitty]

Patriarchy is still a problem, that's certainly true, and there are still nations that treat women as second class citizens who can't even own property or drive, but there have been improvements, and even if society as a whole is still pretty awful in terms of creating equality, we do live in more enlightened times than we used to.

Edit: Actually, bringing things back to Blaze, Sonic and Blaze seem to reverse stereotypical gender roles in Rush. Instead of the pure hearted young lady saving the rage-filled blood knight from himself, it's pure hearted young man saving the rage-filled dark magical girl from herself.

Edited by Blazey Psychounicorn, 09 November 2011 - 11:05 PM.

[batson]

Dude, calm down. You asked a question and I answered based on my knowledge. Traditionally, Men are always viewed as superior to Women, do I agree with that? Not necessarily, but I understand its the mindset of society, and that's in been going on long before sexism was even a term.

But sexism do exist as a term and a mental concept today, and any society that still keep pushing women down and placing men on top despite this awareness is a sexist society, and that's true even if that societies patriarchal trend started long before anyone understood the concept of sexism in the way we modern people do. So im still going to call Japan a sexist society. Our western societies are also sexist, rest assured, but most of them dont seem to be sexist to quite the same degree. But granted, compared to certain other societies, both the west and Japan looks dowright enlightened by comparasion...

[Blazey Firekitty]

Not to belittle anybody else in this thread, since I lead it down that path too, but I'm sort of amused in a weird way that the discussion is sort of starting to sound like the sexism debates that came out of Metroid: Other M. XD

Blaze: As I found myself once again under Sonic's command, I felt a strange sense of exhilaration...

[Koopalmier]

Um, guys ? Eggman just got beaten before saying that line. He wanted to be an offending asshole because he just got freaking beaten (by someone who doesn't antagonize him usually, with that). Really, he only said that to be an asshole.

[Nattala]

I just had a thought about what he meant by the term 'girl'. Cos Blaze is only 14, so technically she's a 'girl' rather than a 'woman' so maybe that's what Eggman was talking about? Like he wouldn't be surprised if Rouge beat him because she's older, has more experience and works for the government but because this young female is beating him, Eggman is surprised, hence his comment.

Yeah Sonic is only a year older than Blaze, but Sonic's a special case for Eggman.

[Unknown User]

Um, guys ? Eggman just got beaten before saying that line. He wanted to be an offending asshole because he just got freaking beaten (by someone who doesn't antagonize him usually, with that). Really, he only said that to be an asshole.

I'd have to agree with Koopalmier's statement here. I mean, like seriously, he's the only one who isn't thinking or analyzing it too much.