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Scientists make a virus that could kill half of the world's population.

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#1 y cant solkia crawl

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 02:59 AM

http://rt.com/news/b...ler-strain-119/

A virus with the potential to kill up to half the world’s population has been made in a lab. Now academics and bioterrorism experts are arguing over whether to publish the recipe, and whether the research should have been done in the first place.
The virus is an H5N1 bird flu strain which was genetically altered to become much more contagious. It was created by Ron Fouchier of the Erasmus Medical Centre in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, who first presented his work to the public at an influenza conference in Malta in September.
Fouchier said the strain circulates in animals, particularly birds, but rarely affects humans.
In the ten or so years since bird flu first emerged in Asia, fewer than 600 cases have been reported in humans. But the H5N1 strain is particularly vicious, killing roughly half of patients diagnosed with it. What stops it from becoming a major threat to public health is that it does not readily transmit from human to human. Or at least it didn’t – until now.
Researchers in Fouchier’s team used ferrets – test animals which closely mimic the human response to influenza – and transmitted H5N1 from one to another to make it more adaptable to new hosts. After 10 generations, the virus had mutated to become airborne, which means ferrets became ill from merely being near other diseased animals.
A genetic study showed that the new, dangerous strain had only five mutations compared to the original one, and all of them were earlier seen in the natural environment – just not all at once. Fouchier’s strain is as contagious as the human seasonal flu, which kills tens of thousands of people each year, but is likely to cause many more fatalities if released.

"I can't think of another pathogenic organism that is as scary as this one," Paul Keim, a microbial geneticist who has worked on anthrax for many years, told Science Insider. "I don't think anthrax is scary at all compared to this."
Now Keim, who chairs the US National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB), and other members of the body, have a very difficult decision to make. Fouchier wants his study to be published. So does virologist Yoshihiro Kawaoka, who led similar research in collaboration with the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and the University of Tokyo, and reached comparable results. And it is up to NSABB to give them the green light.
Many academics and biosecurity experts are naturally cautious about releasing information which could provide any bioterrorist with a ready recipe to hold the world to ransom. Some argue that such work should never have been done in the first place and call for international monitoring of potentially harmful research.
"It's just a bad idea for scientists to turn a lethal virus into a lethal and highly contagious virus. And it's a second bad idea for them to publish how they did it so others can copy it," believes Dr. Thomas Inglesby, a bioterrorism expert and director of the Center for Biosecurity of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.
However the very same data, if made available to the scientific community, could potentially allow humanity to prepare for an H5N1 pandemic, which Fouchier’s study has shown to be far more probable than was previously believed. Clamping down on freedom of information in the scientific domain may in the end leave us defenseless against the flu, should it arise naturally.
NSABB plans to issue a public statement soon, says Keim, and is likely to issue additional recommendations about this type of research. "We'll have a lot to say," he says.


Wat. Why would someone make such a thing?

#2 King Sombrero

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:07 AM

Damn you I was just about to make this thread.
Yeah, screw curing cancer or AIDS, instead let's make a biological weapon of biblical destruction.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:08 AM

I don't see a problem here.

It's research. It can potentially lead to a cure for the virus. Is it dangerous? Of course. Which is why it's understandable that they're conflicted over sharing the recipe. On one hand, publishing it means that other scientists have access to it and can do further research, but on the other hand, it opens up the possibility for it to be used as a bioweapon. It's a tough decision.

I'm honestly amazed that people are questioning why they made this virus.

#4 y cant solkia crawl

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:11 AM

I don't see a problem here.

It's research. It can potentially lead to a cure for the virus. Is it dangerous? Of course. Which is why it's understandable that they're conflicted over sharing the recipe. On one hand, publishing it means that other scientists have access to it and can do further research, but on the other hand, it opens up the possibility for it to be used as a bioweapon. It's a tough decision.

I'm honestly amazed that people are questioning why they made this virus.


Except that is was genetically altered, which means it's man-made. I can understand making something to find a way to prevent it, but as of now it's unnecessary, and there are much better things they could be putting their research towards.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:17 AM

Except that is was genetically altered, which means it's man-made. I can understand making something to find a way to prevent it, but as of now it's unnecessary, and there are much better things they could be putting their research towards.


It doesn't look like you even read the parts of the article that you didn't boldface, because they said exactly why they did it. Whether you agree with them or not is another matter entirely, but it is facetious to act like they did it for the lulz.

Edited by Tornado, 28 November 2011 - 03:19 AM.


#6 Noir

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:17 AM

Except that is was genetically altered, which means it's man-made. I can understand making something to find a way to prevent it, but as of now it's unnecessary, and there are much better things they could be putting their research towards.

If you can understand that they made this virus to learn how to prevent it... then I'm not seeing why you have a problem with this. "As of now it's unnecessary"? Well I'll give you that they could be better spending their time with something that actually does exist and is a problem now. But there's no harm in being prepared. Better to figure out how to stop a virus now than after it appears.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:19 AM

In creating it the scientists found that it is much more probable than we've believed that this mutation could happen in nature. Studying it in laboratories could potentially allow us to develop a vaccine. It's very difficult to say if it is more dangerous to create it and allow for the possibility of release or to ignore it and hope it never mutates in nature though.

#8 y cant solkia crawl

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:20 AM

It doesn't look like you even read the parts of the article that you didn't boldface, because they said exactly why they did it.

I did read it. They could have just used said virus for their research, there was no reason to amplify it.

EDIT: After reading it again, it sounds as though they genetically altered a virus to match the contagiousness of an already existing virus that's in early stages. I could be wrong.

Edited by Solkia Clause, 28 November 2011 - 03:24 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:21 AM

Every time I see something like this I get panic attacks. Now where's my damn paper bag.

#10 Tornado

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:24 AM

I did read it. They could have just used said virus for their research, there was no reason to amplify it.


Except they also said why they did that.

Edited by Tornado, 28 November 2011 - 03:24 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 03:27 AM

Every time I see something like this I get panic attacks. Now where's my damn paper bag.


I'm sorry, I didn't mean to :<

#12 ChaosSupremeSonîc

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 04:20 AM

How easy is it for terrorist to even make a bioweapon anyway? Even if they publish it, this doesn't look like the kind of thing terrorist could easily get their hands on unless they were being supported by a government to help get the materials necessary, and even then it's a matter of how easily they could alter the genes for the desired result.

Genetic Engineering ain't easy, so while there's a risk of it being used as a bioweapon you can't easily assume that it would be in the hands of terrorists. Something like this would be heavily protected for that very risk.

On the plus side, it can be used to make a vaccine, so the moment they get around to making one is where the virus wouldn't be as potent of a weapon anyway unless they alter the genes further.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 05:12 AM

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to :<


No worries, I'm just irrationally paranoid

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 05:15 AM

It sounds like this was done more out of fear that the actual virus will eventually do what they just did, so they can figure out how to deal with it when that time comes. I'd certainly like for them to make a vaccine or effective anti-viral way before H5N1 actually becomes a problem but, they need to be really careful with publishing this research.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 06:25 AM

I don't care, as long as I don't die. :I

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 08:22 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but, wasn't a bird flu responsible for the 20th century Flu epidemic? Jesus, they're apparently always bad news.

Edited by Kringle Of Fate, 28 November 2011 - 08:23 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 10:33 AM

....I just hope they make a antidode for this virus just in case someone screws up big time and gets this doomsday virus into the wrong hands; let alone past security and upon the public.

Edited by ModernHentaiQuillFan, 28 November 2011 - 10:33 AM.


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 10:53 AM

We have been making stuff like this for years mostly to find cures for things, any virus can be weaponized to a degree.

If makes it you feel better its very easy for a terrorist to make a gun-type fission weapon (nuclear bomb) however getting hold of highly enriched uranium isn't, of course Iran is trying to produce high enriched uranium and this is why the Western World is putting pressure on them.

They didn't make this to kill people, they made this virus to help people.Posted Image

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 11:39 AM

I just hope they make a antidode for this virus just in case someone screws up big time and gets this doomsday virus into the wrong hands


That's the plan. And that will make it easier to create a bird-flu vaccine if it ever does mutate into something more catchable.

Edited by Bonfire Gerkuman, 28 November 2011 - 11:40 AM.


#20 Emmett L. Brown

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 12:50 PM

Making a virus more dangerous, using data learned to devise an effective treatment, and then releasing the information = good, solid science.

Making a virus more dangerous, having no means of counter-acting it, and then releasing the information = bad crazy spy movie science.





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