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[Eternal Xtreme]

This topic will be designated the official Assassin's Creed III discussion thread as soon as the game is officially announced and such.

Well Assassin's creed 3 is the official name and it is coming out in October (forgot the exact date). But I guess you are waiting on news as to what it will be about.

[Patticus]

Well Assassin's creed 3 is the official name and it is coming out in October (forgot the exact date). But I guess you are waiting on news as to what it will be about.

News, media, something substantial really.

Edit: Well, time to officialise this bitch up...

Spoiler

God has smiled upon you this day
the fate of a nation in your hands
and blessed be the children we
who fight with all our bravery
till only the righteous stand

You see the distant flames
they bellow in the night
You fight in all our names
for what we know is right
and when you all get shot
and cannot carry on
Though you die, La Resistance lives on

You may get stabbed in the head
with a dagger or a sword
You may be burned to death
or skinned alive or worse
But when they torture you
you will not feel the need to run
For though you die, La Resistance lives on...

Edited by Patticus, 01 March 2012 - 06:07 PM.

[Speederino]

They may cut your dick in half
And serve it to a pig
And though it hurts, you'll laugh
And dance a dickless jig
But that's the way it goes
In war you're shat upon
Though we die, La Resistance lives on.

*ahem*

So yeah, I'm pumped for this. WHO ELSE IS PUMPED!?

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

Damn...I wanted China.

I'm not as pumped as I originally was, but I'm not gonna just up and quit just because my prediction was off. This still looks interesting, and they may turn my expectations again like they did bringing me back into the franchise with AC2.

Maybe next time, China. Maybe next time...if there is a next time.
...
I hope there's a next time.

EDIT: So here's a question. How often did they use swords during the American Revolution?

Edited by ChaosSupremeSonic, 01 March 2012 - 09:45 PM.

[Patticus]

EDIT: So here's a question. How often did they use swords during the American Revolution?

Swords were in common usage throughout the 17th and 18th centuries, gradually ceding ever more ground to gunpowder-based weapons as they were developed and refined, but in the 19th century, particularly after duelling fell out of favour, they were ever more reduced to ceremonial roles. In fact even by the dawning 19th century they were out of widespread use...

During the American Revolution, a wide range of weaponry was in practical battlefield usage; tomahawks and bows & arrows (augmented with brass tips for extra penetration) were commonly used by Native Americans and Euro-Americans alike, knives and pistols were in heavy usage too, as were muskets and rifles.

[Speederino]

EDIT: So here's a question. How often did they use swords during the American Revolution?

Often enough to make a game out of it. American militiamen actually preferred hand-to-hand combat if the enemy couldn't be ambushed, and typical troops were still trained in it.

This is kind of THE part of history where we started favoring guns more, so I'm sure we'll still see plenty of them. If they go any further in time, we can kiss melee combat goodbye.

BTW, it's occurred to me that if this new guy gets as many games as Ezio did, we may very well get an early-western Assassin's Creed. Just take my money now.

Edited by Speederino, 01 March 2012 - 10:02 PM.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

Alright, so atleast we still have the swords.

Anyone else this game will be very polarizing to certain groups of people who play it? This'll no doubt address things such as slavery of African-Americans and the gradual genocide of Native Americans, and while people pay little attention to the former, it's going to be interesting seeing the former in a major game franchise for the first time will be really interesting to see how they portray it.

[Patticus]

BTW, it's occurred to me that if this new guy gets as many games as Ezio did, we may very well get an early-western Assassin's Creed. Just take my money now.

If this game has the same structure as AC2, I'd like to hope that the Brotherhood analogue would be set in revolutionary Paris a few years later, and the Revelations analogue might be set in London around the turn of the century. That said, I wouldn't be against visiting other American locations we don't get to see in AC3 itself, which may include Quebec and Montreal, Charleston and Pittsburgh, those kinds of places... or even have the entire series (if it ends up as another series) set during that same war.

[Speederino]

Alright, so atleast we still have the swords.

Anyone else this game will be very polarizing to certain groups of people who play it? This'll no doubt address things such as slavery of African-Americans and the gradual genocide of Native Americans, and while people pay little attention to the former, it's going to be interesting seeing the former in a major game franchise for the first time will be really interesting to see how they portray it.

Depends on how they portray such subjects. So long as they keep it historically accurate, it can only be so controversial. But people will raise a stink over anything, so who knows?

I'm looking forward to seeing how accurate this game is in general. I swear, the true events of the Revolution are known to everybody except Americans. It seems like 19th century history books loved taking the words of then-current writers and artists and turning them into historical facts. People have mentioned that they preferred settings like the Crusades and Renaissance because they're more obscure, but I would argue that parts of the Revolution really is quite obscure. Hell, even the Boston Tea Party and the signing of the Declaration of Independence have been skewered, and those are some of the most famous parts.

If this game has the same structure as AC2, I'd like to hope that the Brotherhood analogue would be set in revolutionary Paris a few years later, and the Revelations analogue might be set in London around the turn of the century. That said, I wouldn't be against visiting other American locations we don't get to see in AC3 itself, which may include Quebec and Montreal, Charleston and Pittsburgh, those kinds of places... or even have the entire series (if it ends up as another series) set during that same war.

I've always wanted to see 19th century London, too, actually. There's a lot of places I'd like to see, and I like to think we might get to visit all of them at some point.

Edited by Speederino, 01 March 2012 - 10:22 PM.

[Patticus]

If you want an obscure period of American history, I would argue that the entire 16th-18th century period deserves a good hard look. How many Americans know anything about any pre-French & Indian War conflict on the continent? Or the likely truth behind people like Pocahontas, King Philip or Tekakwitha? Or the many ways in which Native Americans tried so hard to incorporate Euro-American people, politics and materials into their world while the Euro-Americans (and later just US citizens) block-headedly refused to acknowledge that they shared the continent?

A lot happened before the revolution. A massive lot happened.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

People have mentioned that they preferred settings like the Crusades and Renaissance because they're more obscure, but I would argue that parts of the Revolution really is quite obscure. Hell, even the Boston Tea Party and the signing of the Declaration of Independence have been skewered, and those are some of the most famous parts.

I think it has more to do with those locations being more foreign than our own history. They enjoy learning more about other locales as opposed to hearing the things they've already been brought up upon.

But seeing how this game can actually encourage people to learn more about history, this'll definitely be something to make the American Revolution more interesting than the history books make them to be.

[Speederino]

If you want an obscure period of American history, I would argue that the entire 16th-18th century period deserves a good hard look. How many Americans know anything about any pre-French & Indian War conflict on the continent? Or the likely truth behind people like Pocahontas, King Philip or Tekakwitha? Or the many ways in which Native Americans tried so hard to incorporate Euro-American people, politics and materials into their world while the Euro-Americans (and later just US citizens) block-headedly refused to acknowledge that they shared the continent?

A lot happened before the revolution. A massive lot happened.

Also very true. Hell, I'm taking a course on this stuff right now and my Professor didn't even bother talking about the 16th and 17th century. He just started right before the French-Indian War and told us to read our books for anything before that. While there weren't any major wars or super famous conflicts, there is plenty to talk about where the Native Americans are concerned.

Good on this game to go with a Native protagonist. It's about time they got some representation. Maybe they'll use him and his tribe to fill people in on pre-Revolution events.

But seeing how this game can actually encourage people to learn more about history, this'll definitely be something to make the American Revolution more interesting than the history books make them to be.

Exactly. I honestly find this period to be quite fun to learn about, but it's hardly anything like the fairy tales they teach in Elementary Schools. They make it sound like the colonists and the founding fathers were these good, wholesome role models that fought hard to free themselves from the Galactic Empire Britain. I doubt this game will do that. Hell, didn't they already imply that George Washington was a freakin' Templar?

Edited by Speederino, 01 March 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[Patticus]

Also very true. Hell, I'm taking a course on this stuff right now and my Professor didn't even bother talking about the 16th and 17th century. He just started right before the French-Indian War and told us to read our books for anything before that. While there weren't any major wars or super famous conflicts, there is plenty to talk about where the Native Americans are concerned.

There was King Philip's War during the 1670s, various Anglo-French wars (e.g. King William's War) towards the turn of the century, war in the Chesapeake region between the English colonists and the Powhatan indians (Pocahontas' tribe several decades earlier), Anglo-Dutch wars which saw the Hudson valley region change hands between the Dutch and English a couple of times before the Dutch gave up their territorial ambitions in the region. I'm pretty sure there was a war between the English and the Swedes over the New Sweden territories too... Also when the French tried to establish a colonial presence by building a fort somewhere in what later became known as the Carolinas (they might actually have named those colonies, later states, after their fort?), the Spanish in the Florida territories caught wind of it and were all "That's enough of that," whereupon they marched up and destroyed the fort.

Okay, none of those wars even approached the French & Indian War on terms of scale, post-war consequences and so on, but they were important nonetheless.

Among the most interesting non-Native parts about this era for me is Robert Rogers and Rogers' Rangers, grandfathers of the famed US Army Rangers (among other things), who fought for the British during the French & Indian War (the Battles on Snowshoes are still legendary!), and tried to fight for the Continental Army, but after being turned away decided to fight for the British again. Great people.

[Speederino]

Among the most interesting non-Native parts about this era for me is Robert Rogers and Rogers' Rangers, grandfathers of the famed US Army Rangers (among other things), who fought for the British during the French & Indian War (the Battles on Snowshoes are still legendary!), and tried to fight for the Continental Army, but after being turned away decided to fight for the British again. Great people.

See, my textbook doesn't even mention these guys. Sad, really.

[Patticus]

See, my textbook doesn't even mention these guys. Sad, really.

Buy the book Musket & Tomahawk by Francis Parkman (or if you're interested in the global Seven Years' War, buy his book Montcalm & Wolfe, which covers the same ground as the former book and much more besides!). It's as unbiased and clear an account of the conflict as you're ever likely to read, covering both sides and featuring a vivid, colourful cast of characters of all shapes and sizes, including Rogers and his men (they even get their own chapter called The Rangers' War). You'll hear directly from many men of all ranks involved in the conflict through their diary entries and letters. It's fascinating, truly fascinating.

However, if you want a Native American account of Euro-American exploration, colonialism, imperialism and beyond (something you just cannot find in books, TV shows or movies), then read what I'm reading now - Facing East From Indian Country by Daniel K. Richter. I can't even count how many popular and less well known myths have been busted and I'm only halfway through (around the turn of the 17th-18th centuries), but that might just be because I haven't bothered. Great read. A must for any lovers of this period and location in history.


Sorry to go off-topic into the realm of books like this, but we don't have anything else to discuss just yet.

[Speederino]

^ Funny you should mention those, as I'm actually trying to make a habit out of reading more books. I may very well look into those once I'm done with the books I'm reading now.

I suppose we're starting to move off topic a bit, though. But I really don't have anything Assassin's Creed-related to say right now. Errrr...hey, both Altair and Ezio's names essentially translate into "Eagle", right (In Ezio's case, an Italian translation of a Greek word)? So what do you think this guy's name will be? We have no idea what tribe he's from, so the best I can do is look up various Native words for eagle:

Keneu'
Wanbli
Migisi (Unlikely as this is Cheyenne, they had nothing to do with the Revolution)
Kwina'a

Edited by Speederino, 02 March 2012 - 12:07 AM.

[Patticus]

I may very well look into those once I'm done with the books I'm reading now.

You must, they're brilliant reads and are worth every penny.

[RidersDX]

Ah, the best way to ignore my hype with Mass Effect 3 is to replace it with more hype. I personally did not know what to expect with this installment. But I definitely did not expect the protagonist to be Native American! That is completely awesome in my opinion and it's set up the perfect story to tell. America often barely covers the Native Americans and I think that might be one big reason I never shared much interest in American history, and of course, having it slammed down my throat since I was a child. But I'm actually very excited knowing what Assassin's Creed can do with the right kind of setting. October 30 is three days after my birthday, going to be a great 2012.

[Speederino]

Oh hai new image:



As IGN points out, the hat and shoulder pads make this guy out to be an American officer, possibly Washington. I would say it being Washington is really damn likely, as the mountain backdrop in winter makes me think of Valley Forge, where Washington and his troops held up for several months and nearly died of starvation and disease. Since wars back then were always put on hiatus during winter, there isn't really any other winter-related stuff to talk about. Save for crossing the Delaware River, which is also Washington anyways.

It's not exactly a big revelation, Washington is bound to be in this game. Along with Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and blah blah blah. I'm just really curious to see what roles they all play. This is the first time I'll be going into an Assassin's Creed game while already having knowledge of the time period.

Yeah, better get used to me dissecting every little tidbit of info that comes our way in the next 8 months

Edited by Speederino, 02 March 2012 - 02:48 AM.

[Metal Gear (sting)RAY]

I really respect the Assassin's Creed series for the level of effort it puts into recreating the culture of historical civilizations rather than going by existing cultural assumptions like most historically set titles seem to do. I can't personally account for the accuracy, but I have little reason to doubt their research, given the detailed nuances of the environments, texts, dialogue and gameplay features as well as positive feedback regarding it on the internet. There aren't many major anachronisms (outside the soft science fiction parts) and most of the ones that are there are easy to overlook, like the existence of tomatos in Renaissance Italy despite them being native to the as of yet unexplored South America. It's among my favorite examples of tangential learning through games and I'm absolutely thrilled to see a First American game protagonist.

Edited by SuperStingray, 02 March 2012 - 03:25 AM.