But in either case, did anyone actually predict that Eggman would run out of energy to maintain that control? Or were things things regarding the mind control actually predictable both the major and minor elements? Because that's the whole reason in why I brought it up, and the point I'm making is that these things don't have to be predictable.
Well for Eggman, yes, he was presumably intending to get a nice blue bodyguard and eliminate his biggest enemy in one fell swoop (or at least have Tails rough him up, when he missed), but from the writers' perspective, the intent was just to set up mind control as A Thing.
I agree, except I'd go further and say that's a matter of how the narrative handles it and it's not as if mind control automatically makes it less dynamic than it is if the character was blackmailed, or coerced to put it lightly, into doing something they wouldn't do. In either case, the character's choices is due to a lack of control over the situation; mind-control just reduces the degree far lower than coercion does.
Because I think the ability of character to make choices is one of the most important elements of a story, and if you remove that ability, they cease to be characters at all (or alternatively, they become completely different characters). Take the "Sonic is forced to fight Tails" plot. If it's due to mind control, then Sonic, as a character, leaves the picture completely. You can get some mileage out of Tails having to fight his hero, but we get nothing out of Sonic; he's gone, replaced by some other character, until the mind control wears off. But if Sonic's in full control of himself, we do learn about him, maybe even more than we learn about Tails (the previously mentioned "fighting his hero" thing still applies). If he's been coerced, we learn what breaks him. If he chooses on his own, we learn what he values as much as or more than his friends. There's a struggle there, something more meaningful than "RAAAA I MUST RESIST THE HYPNORAY!"
The one in control is the one (or at least has the more control) who coercing the character to do what they wouldn't want to do, or the one holding the device that reduces resistance to nil. If you want to be more analytical about it, there's always a matter of said character finding a way to regain control in both cases, be it his friends finding a way to free him, or him freeing himself by his own means. How they choose to do so is depends on how the narrative handles it, and in both cases it can be predictable as it can be unpredictable.
Now if he chooses on his own accord, then it's a matter of why he's doing it. A general rule of thumb in how I look at it is this: the more control a character has, the more they can bend things to their favor; conversely, the less control they have, the more rigid the odds are against them.
What change? I was never intending to change the situation than I was to show how I would make a plot with a mind controlled Sonic work, as you asked. The only intent was to show that it doesn't have to be as predictable as Sean expressed. And if it is...well, then there's not a lot to call different anymore when you can call it predictable. To say nothing of how you would go about solving the problem now that it's much harder as you've said.
Nothing changes. It's the same situation, only the solution is somewhat harder. And I can't imagine any solution that couldn't have been justified to work just as well on normal techno-hypnosis or magical mind control.
You're making that far too black and white than it really is when it's actually in the gray area. No, it's not their own actions, but yes it is Sonic regardless because he's not being controlled to do them against his will as mind-control would have him do.
Then it's not "their own actions", is it? Sonic is not Sonic; there is a different character living in his head.
Sonic may not be himself as he normally is, but it's the same character causing the havoc. If Sonic were still under someone's actual control by directly forcing his mind to carry out the destruction, then without a doubt it's a different character in his head. But if someone can no longer control his actions in that manner and he's STILL doing, its not exactly something to mark off as a different character. No, he wouldn't do that if he was, but no one has a leash on him telling him "Do this or I'll make you do it" anymore.
Or if you want, you could call it a different Sonic.
Edited by ChaosSupremeSonic, 04 February 2012 - 04:01 AM.