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[Polar Vec]

Wait, can Tails lose all your rings in single player? If so, that sucks, there's no reason for that.

I though they were referring to co-op...I don't remember seeing Tails losing your rings when hit in single player

[JezMM]

Yeah, co-op only. Tails does not run down rings nor lives. Though if he's stunned you can't activate combo moves.

[Solid SOAP]

Okay, that's fair and makes sense.

[Blue Blood]

On top of that, he can't lose your rings in Special Stages.

[Barry the Nomad]

On top of that, he can't lose your rings in Special Stages.

The one reason why this game is better than Sonic 2.

[Komodin]

On top of that, he can't lose your rings in Special Stages.

Well, that should make the Special Stages much less of a pain in the ass this time around, right?

[Blue Blood]

The one reason why this game is better than Sonic 2.

Well, that should make the Special Stages much less of a pain in the ass this time around, right?

Wait until you two play the latter ones, especially Special Stage 7. IThey're worse, for different reasons.

[Wooly-Fools]

Well then, co-op sounds pretty sweet.

Now who wants to me my broseph and play co-op with me once the game comes out? :3

[-Clara Oswald-]

What exactly is so difficult about the Ep2 Special stages?

- is it the placement of the hazards (bombs etc). So you basically have to memorise the special stages before you can master them (which is usually the norm).
- or is it that Sonic is difficult to control. Does he move too fast?

Which is the best Metal Sonic boss in Ep2?

Edited by MilesKnightwing, 25 April 2012 - 10:55 PM.

[Tmsp]

What exactly is so difficult about the Ep2 Special stages?

- is it the placement of the hazards (bombs etc). So you basically have to memorise the special stages before you can master them (which is usually the norm).
- or is it that Sonic is difficult to control. Does he move too fast?

Which is the best Metal Sonic boss in Ep2? Is it the one Spoiler

Could you please stop spoiling the game?
Not sure if you are allowed to post this here, if you are then have my apologies.

Edited by Tmsp, 25 April 2012 - 10:02 PM.

[Blue Blood]

What exactly is so difficult about the Ep2 Special stages?

- is it the placement of the hazards (bombs etc). So you basically have to memorise the special stages before you can master them (which is usually the norm).
- or is it that Sonic is difficult to control. Does he move too fast?

Which is the best Metal Sonic boss in Ep2? Is it the one in the *SPOILERS*

Aye, be more careful.

What makes the Special Stage difficult is almost entirely Sonic's movement. He jumps slowly and not very high, so it's quite difficult to avoid both bombs and the little electric orbs (they stun and slow you down, but you won't lose rings). Under normal conditions he's very stiff to manoeuvre left and right. Once you adjust it's a bit easier to control him, but then the later levels include full pips with rings on the walls/ceilings. To get on to them you have to boost, which further reduces Sonic's manoeuvring capabilities. In one instance there's a corkscrew of rings going around a full-pipe. Even if you time the turning right, you can't get all the rings because Sonic's turning isn't at tight as the pattern of the rings (if that makes sense). Last little note is the combo-power up. It extends a band between Sonic and Tails and you collect whatever rings touch the band. Unfortunately, in single player Tails stays as close to Sonic as possible, which kind of nullifies the point. In co-op you can abuse it to get all the rings from left to right.

Onto the spoilers...

Spoiler

The White Park boss isn't good nor is it bad. It just has a total dick move at the end where he throws bottomless pits at you basically. Sky Fortress is easily the worst with a horrible Tornado based flying battle, while the race is DE is really just a watered-down Stardust Speedway. There's much fewer obstacles, Metal doesn't attack and the whole thing is a cakewalk with the Super Sex Attack.

Edited by Blue Blood, 25 April 2012 - 10:17 PM.

[JezMM]

Could you please stop spoiling the game?
Not sure if you are allowed to post this here, if you are then have my apologies.

Spoilers aren't banned, but it's still common courtesy to keep them in tags, considering this is the screens and media topic for a game that isn't out yet, not an opinions topic.

What exactly is so difficult about the Ep2 Special stages?

- is it the placement of the hazards (bombs etc). So you basically have to memorise the special stages before you can master them (which is usually the norm).

Yes a lot of memorisation is involved, especially on the last two or three. Though it's not as bad as the classic games. At least you can see further than half a second ahead of you thanks to it being in actual 3D. It's not unreasonable to memorise.

The hardest thing is probably that the final stage REQUIRES you to use:

Spoiler

The tag rope thing between Sonic and Tails, in combination with the "experts-only when unnecessary" boost to get enough rings. It takes a LOT of practice on single player to work out how to get "follows just a second behind you" Tails to obey your whim and have him where you want him to be on the other end of the rope. I imagine on Co-Op it'll take phenominal co-ordination and planning, which hey, is nice!

I still think the Special Stages are reasonably hard. They require mastering, and they are Nintendo Hard, but they're clearly deliberately hard. I never felt I died due to bad controls or programming.

Oh, as a final thing: you really have to teach yourself to jump earlier than you might think for bombs. Some of them really catch you out.

I will say the only dick move the final special stage pulls is:

Spoiler

One or two portions where you go up a really steep hill, or round some tight bends, severely limiting your view ahead. It was easy to forget about stuff coming up with less visual cues on what comes before to work with.

Blue Blood speeded me on the Metal Sonic boss fight, buuuut I'm not cancelling what I said coz my thoughts were different lol. (As for that spiral full pipe of rings, it is possible to get the whole lot with a little luck, but even without Tails and the band between us, I was able to get the exact right momentum to follow the rings round perfectly a couple of times, so, yeah, it's possible.

Oh, and while I don't hate the Sky Fortress boss (other than that, I second Blue Blood on everything), it is a bad Metal Sonic fight in the sense it could have just have easily been Eggman.


Honestly I think I forgave the Sky Fortress boss because I really really love Metal Sonic's boss theme and it was beautifully forboding with the aesthetics of the stage.

Edited by JezMM, 25 April 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[-Clara Oswald-]

Thanks for the insight JezMM & Blue Blood. I will be more careful regarding the spoilers.

[Autosaver]

Why doesn't the game support AA? It isn't that big of a problem, but the game would gain a huge boost in graphical quality if it supported it. I don't see why it can't support it considering the game isn't pushing consoles/PCs to their limits.

[frokenok3]

AA? Anti-A-something? What exactly does?

Edited by frokenok3, 26 April 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[JezMM]

AA? Anti-A-something? What exactly does?

Anti-ailasing. In simple terms it's a way of making graphics look smoother in general, so you can't make out the pixels even when you look close enough.

Example from Wikipedia:

The one on the left is as-is, the one on the right is anti-ailiased.

[frokenok3]

Anti-ailasing. In simple terms it's a way of making graphics look smoother in general, so you can't make out the pixels even when you look close enough.

Example from Wikipedia:

The one on the left is as-is, the one on the right is anti-ailiased.

Ah, i see...yeah you're right! Eh, it's okay i guess it's not like the graphics aren't good but i can see Autosaver's point.

[TunDiam!]

If the demand for AA is high enough perhaps they'll do soemthing, but this ain't even the finished version of S4EPII PC so don't be too bogged down theres no AA options right now

Edited by TaliTundie, 26 April 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[Blue Blood]

If the demand for AA is high enough perhaps they'll do soemthing, but this ain't even the finished version of S4EPII PC so don't be too bogged down theres no AA options right now

I don't think you quite understand how it works. The engine doesn't support AA, and it doesn't support resolutions higher than 1280x720 (720p) either. Everything else is just upscaled. It's not in there now because it won't ever be, much like it wasn't in E1 either. E1 and E2 use the same engine.

[TunDiam!]

I don't think you quite understand how it works. The engine doesn't support AA, and it doesn't support resolutions higher than 1280x720 (720p) either. Everything else is just upscaled. It's not in there now because it won't ever be, much like it wasn't in E1 either. E1 and E2 use the same engine.

Who is to say it wont ever be though and thats what i'm trying to say, also do you know how the engine was written to say that it dont support AA/or can't incase of a future update, just like many games i've played "Oddworld munch's oddysee" port to PC, it never had AA support, it was locked at 4:3, a few months down the line a major update was issued

Edited by TaliTundie, 27 April 2012 - 06:54 AM.