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#1 Shadzter

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:59 PM

Minimum alcohol price 'could be higher than 40p per unit'

Drinkers face paying more than 40p per unit of alcohol under a minimum price scheme to tackle the country's binge-drinking problem, Theresa May, the Home Secretary, has indicated.

By Murray Wardrop, and Robert Winnett
9:00AM GMT 23 Mar 2012

The Prime Minister announced the measure, to be set in law later this year, saying it was no longer acceptable that “beer is cheaper than water”.

Mr Cameron indicated that the minimum price would be 40p per unit in England and Wales, while supermarkets and other retailers will be barred from offering “multi-buy discount deals”.

However, Mrs May has suggested that a higher price could be possible, arguing that people who “pre-load” with alcohol and then cause “carnage” in town centres will be affected by an increase on the cheapest drinks.

She told the BBC: "The evidence is... that if you need to deal with the problems that are caused by the excessive consumption of alcohol then you have to address the price of it.

“What it is going to affect is the cheap end of the alcohol market.

"We’ve based our assumptions on a unit price of 40p. Obviously we are consulting on it.

"This is aimed at... dealing with this culture which means that some people think that a good night out is actually pre-loading, so drinking at home, getting drunk at home on cheap alcohol, going out, drinking some more, and then causing problems and mayhem in our town centres.

"What we do want to do is to affect the cheapest end of alcohol where those sorts of offers enable people to really do this pre-loading. So many people now just get drunk before they go out, that's what causes the problems in our town centres."

She added that “deep discounting” in supermarkets was also a problem.

“One of the things that we will be looking at, if it we think it is right to ban these [discounts]... obviously it would be possible for the Government to legislate on this”.

She dismissed concerns other ministers have raised that such a ban would be illegal.
Mr Cameron acknowledged that the alcohol crackdown will not be “universally popular”. But he will insist that the move is necessary to stop the “scourge of violence” caused by binge drinking.

The minimum price, demanded by medical groups, will mean that a bottle of wine cannot be sold for less than £3.60; a can of lager will cost at least 80p; and a bottle of spirits between £10.40 and £11.20.

Government figures claim that it will cost the average drinker between £21 and £23 a year. Drinkers consuming “harmful” levels of more than 50 units a week, will pay as much as £135 extra a year.

The Prime Minister said: “Binge drinking isn’t some fringe issue, it accounts for half of all alcohol consumed in this country.

“The crime and violence it causes drains resources in our hospitals, generates mayhem on our streets and spreads fear.

“When beer is cheaper than water, it’s just too easy for people to get drunk on cheap alcohol at home before they even set foot in a pub.

“So we are going to introduce a new minimum unit price – so for the first time it will be illegal for shops to sell alcohol for less than this set price per unit.

“We’re consulting on the actual price, but if it is 40p that could mean 50,000 fewer crimes each year and 900 fewer alcohol-related deaths per year by the end of the decade.
“I know this won’t be universally popular. But the responsibility of being in government isn’t always about doing the popular thing. It’s about doing the right thing.”

Mr Cameron said the measure was not intended to go after traditional pubs, which already sell alcohol for more than the minimum price.

The proposal will be part of the Government’s alcohol strategy, to be published today.
Ministers said last night they had agreed a deal with major supermarkets and alcohol firms to reduce the alcohol content of some brands.

The Daily Telegraph disclosed last year that the Prime Minister was determined to introduce a minimum alcohol price amid concerns over binge-drinking.

The “drinking culture” was blamed for almost a million alcohol-related violent crimes and 1.2 million alcohol-related hospital admissions last year.

Mr Cameron has faced opposition from within the Cabinet over the scheme, primarily from Andrew Lansley, the Health Secretary. The Scottish authorities have already proposed minimum pricing and are facing a challenge amid fears the scheme is illegal under European competition laws. Mr Lansley said last night that he had changed his mind about the wisdom of minimum pricing.

He said: “I think it is important to send a signal that we will not have a situation where people are being continuously prompted to drink to excess.”
The strategy was welcomed by police chiefs and doctors.

Andrew Opie, the British Retail Consortium’s food director, said minimum pricing was effectively a “tax on responsible drinkers”.

http://www.telegraph...p-per-unit.html

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I'm sick of all of this unnecessary government babysitting. I don't smoke, but I think the sliding doors covering tobacco products in stores is stupid and won't do a damn thing anyway. Now us responsible drinkers have got to pay more for our alcohol because some people get too pissed.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:10 PM

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British people, particularly young ones, but many older folks too, have an appalling attitude towards drinking. There is this culture among them that deems it perfectly acceptable to get "wasted," "smashed," "hammered" etc every weekend. I personally have known many people who are quite happy to spend most of their monthly pay packet on supermarket booze. Anything that can kill this culture of rampant alcoholism based on insanely cheap prices in supermarkets and the view that it's not a proper good weekend if you haven't gone and got yourself "wrecked" on booze can only be a good thing in my books. The alcohol industry and its lobbyists should not have their own way.

You might call it unnecessary governmental babysitting, and you might be right, but this wouldn't be happening at all if a lot more people showed some damned self-restraint. Cases of alcohol-related liver disease among young and middle-aged people in the several Yorkshire counties are skyrocketing because of their heavy drinking. Obesity and depression are big problems in the UK, and nationwide alcoholism (the excessive consumption on a regular basis of fattening depressants) only serves to worsen these issues.

Don't kill the industry, but please kill the culture it has fostered across the United Kingdom.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:14 PM

I get what they're going for, but I find it to be pretty dumb. It'll hardly help the problem they're trying to solve.


Edit Reason: reworded post.

Edited by Marcellove, 23 March 2012 - 03:23 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:15 PM

From what I understand this legislation is targeting cheap alcohol, like the store own brand lager, it won't add anything or very little to the cost of normal branded drinks. From my perspective I view it as a good thing, cheap lager and other cheap spirits are only really bought to get drunk cheaply and quickly.

Honestly if it manages to reduce hospital admissions and alcohol related deaths then I stand behind the idea.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:19 PM

From what I understand this legislation is targeting cheap alcohol, like the store own brand lager, it won't add anything or very little to the cost of normal branded drinks. From my perspective I view it as a good thing, cheap lager and other cheap spirits are only really bought to get drunk cheaply and quickly.


From my years of experience behind a Wines & Spirits till in Yorkshire, cheap own-brand booze is primarily bought and consumed a: by alcoholics of all ages with no self-control, and b: by chavs/wiggers who can't afford that four-pack of Special Brew, or those crates of Carlsberg/Stella/Magners/etc. Get rid of them, and you'll arouse a hornet's nest of nasty and thoroughly despicable people who need to be forcible weened from those poisonous concoctions.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:21 PM

It's been a long time since I've seen a statistic so blatantly pulled out of someone's ass to try to justify something otherwise unjustifiable as this:

We’re consulting on the actual price, but if it is 40p that could mean 50,000 fewer crimes each year and 900 fewer alcohol-related deaths per year by the end of the decade.


Edited by Tornado, 23 March 2012 - 03:26 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:31 PM

This is a policy move typical of British politics in last 10 years; treat the symptom, ignore the cause. There are clearly underlying social issues that need to be addressed, yet seemingly no one in Parliament wants to acknowledge them. There's a huge fucking elephant in the room here, and raising the price of cheap and shitty alcohol will not stop that.

It won't affect the price of alcohol in pubs and clubs, so come Friday and Saturday nights, city centres will remain exactly the same as the always have; noisy and full of seagulls.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 06:25 PM

I have mixed feelings about this. It has some positives but some negatives. Will it stop people from over drinking? Maybe. But is the government getting too involved?

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:54 PM

Just turned 18 a couple months ago and I have no problem with this.
Drinking, especially with folks around my age in the UK is really weird. They drink things just to get drunk. Why? Its not good for you, nor is it productive. I mean its at the point where mates of mine have been drinking since 14-15 and now drink anything, even if they don't like it. Tale the example of vodka. None of them actually like the taste of it, but they'll happily down a few shots just because.

Making it more expensive and forcing these kinds of people to realise that having fun on a weekend doesn't revolve around alcohol would be very nice.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not against drinking. I'll happily have a nice glass of wine, a bottle of beer or coke and brandy, but I definately don't feel the need to compulsively drink and drink.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:02 PM

I'm all for helping compulsive drinkers realise that you can have a good time without alcohol and reducing the amount of crime and hospital patients. It's just, as Jay Rockman said, that the government is getting too involved and making us responsible drinkers have to pay more.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:21 PM

Surely it shouldn't affect those who actually enjoy their drink responsibly though? I mean it's only the minimum price being raised. I'm not really that into economics, so I ask this completely sincerely - how will raising the price of the cheap stuff affect the price of the good stuff?

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:33 PM

Surely it shouldn't affect those who actually enjoy their drink responsibly though? I mean it's only the minimum price being raised. I'm not really that into economics, so I ask this completely sincerely - how will raising the price of the cheap stuff affect the price of the good stuff?

Well, I've not read the article, but instead watched the video with the MPs taking about what's going to happen, and from what I understand, they're setting a price per unit of alcohol to combat retailers selling alcohol so cheap. They're also going to put an end to multi-buy/bulk discounts.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:38 PM

Honestly, as soon as I saw this:

“beer is cheaper than water”


any doubt about this new measure, of which there was very little for me anyway, was gone. Frankly I'm surprised we didn't have this minimum price in force already for something that is inherently poisonous except when drunk in very small quantities.

I'm sure my position on this will come as no surprise to anyone who's been here long enough to see me in a political thread. I'm quite possibly the biggest supporter of the public smoking ban in the country too so you can probably guess what I'd rather they do here. The critical difference for me though is that alcohol is actually beneficial in very small volumes and it's possible to consume it responsibly without harming others. The reality though is that most people are either incapable or unwilling to consume responsibly, and if the overwhelming majority are incapable of self-regulating...

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:26 PM

We tackled this problem ages ago in Sweden. We we're like Jersey Shore back in the days. Especially within the socially vulnerable.
Today, alcoholic drinks up to 3,5 % is sold in regular grocery stores. Stonger drinks is sold in government-owned liquor stores with certainly uncomfortable, but respectful, opening hours. People who shows signs of drunken-ness is thrown out by the store bouncers.

Here's the opening hours in my town:

Mon-Wed: 10:00-18:00
Thu: 10:00-19:00
Fri: 10:00-20:00
Sat: 10:00-15:00
Sun: Closed

For the clubs/pubs in Gothenburg, a pint of lager can vary from 3 to 6 pounds in price.

Edited by Lemanic the Teufhog, 23 March 2012 - 09:37 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:28 PM

Let me prefix this by saying I don't drink. Not for a moral reason; just can't stand the taste.

"This is aimed at... dealing with this culture which means that some people think that a good night out is actually pre-loading, so drinking at home, getting drunk at home on cheap alcohol, going out, drinking some more, and then causing problems and mayhem in our town centres.

"What we do want to do is to affect the cheapest end of alcohol where those sorts of offers enable people to really do this pre-loading. So many people now just get drunk before they go out, that's what causes the problems in our town centres."

She added that “deep discounting” in supermarkets was also a problem.

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The minimum price, demanded by medical groups, will mean that a bottle of wine cannot be sold for less than £3.60; a can of lager will cost at least 80p; and a bottle of spirits between £10.40 and £11.20.

I've quoted these bits in particular, because to me this is reasonable.

People do "pre-load", and only because its massively cheaper. By the time some of my mates make it to town, I'm amazed they're allowed entry. My mates aren't violent, but some of them struggle to stay out for more than an hour.


My actual point though, is the specific minimum prices mentioned in the article. £3.60 for a bottle of wine. That's cheaper than any bottle of wine I see in the supermarket now! 4 cans of lager for £3.60? THAT IS NOT EXPENSIVE.


The extra tax duty that came in this week's budget, that's the kicker.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:21 AM

Yeah, I'm not a drinker, and I don't quite get the issue surrounding raising the price of alcohol a bit. As was said earlier, if people could show some self-restraint, then such measures wouldn't need to take place.

I personally find myself feeling very uncomfortable around inebriated people, and honestly, those prices really don't seem all that unreasonable to me. If it means people are less drunk, I'm all for that.

At the end of the day, there are far more pressing issues surrounding essentials, that having to pay a bit more for a luxury like alcohol is really quite insignificant.




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