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[Donkey H Kong]

Hell, they were even a part of M&S at the London games plot in the 3ds version.

Seriously? I'm buyin' a 3DS!

As far as this news is concerned, eh, let's remember the thing about reps. They're just people hired to stand around. Like when I was a cashier. If a customer asked me a question, I gave them a bullshit answer to make them go away regardless of whether I knew what the hell I was talking about. PR guys usually just know whatever game they're currently being paid to promote, and have little to no idea about anything else. I doubt they know much more than us.

That said, more Unleashed gameplay done well is something I think I'd be okay with, but it'll only continue to be sustainable for so long. As for the charaters... Reintroducing them slowly could mean anything, so not sure what to make of it. But damn it, I want to play as Knuckles again.

Edited by Chili Dawg, 12 April 2012 - 03:25 AM.

[/_JXJ_\]

Pfft, really? Guess they'll stay around so Eggman has someone to play off of, like Sonic to Tails.



Somehow I can't see either of those two being final bosses given their personalities. As for the characters I'd say the blame goes to equal parts friends and bad gameplay. Looking over the franchise they've continously been cramed into games that had no need for them.

That's true! Dang I wish my voice could be heard...I wish I could at least speak to the ones calling the shots instead of crusading for people to agree with me in order to build up enough momentum to be heard and actually get some change. No, I want to actually speak to the top dogs and be apart of serious Sonic discussion, aaghh.

[goku262002]

Actually i was surprised when i saw a few reviews actually ASKING for playable characters to return after generations.

Betting it was just classics like tails and knuckles right? because heaven forbid add shadow and we may start getting gunz and alienz or add silver and we will get broken physics and annoying catchphrases again right?! because sonic team will totally make the same fucking mistakes again am i right?!

God I hate how the brain works like that...

We're the minority but we're the ones who is keeping the series alive. The reviewers don't care about the series like we do and don't understand why the fans are so passionate about it.

True, but our voices are still small in the grand scheme of things. not saying we can't change things either because we certainly can but its just not taken into heavy consideration not like how a reviewers input would. Sonic Team still needs to learn that our voices come first not jaded ex-sonic fan/non-fan reviewers.

[Aqua]

Betting it was just classics like tails and knuckles right? because heaven forbid add shadow and we may start getting gunz and alienz or add silver and we will get broken physics and annoying catchphrases again right?! because sonic team will totally make the same fucking mistakes again am i right?!

God I hate how the brain works like that...



True, but our voices are still small in the grand scheme of things. not saying we can't change things either because we certainly can but its just not taken into heavy consideration not like how a reviewers input would. Sonic Team still needs to learn that our voices come first not jaded ex-sonic fan/non-fan reviewers.

Actually i read a few that wanted characters like tails, Shadow and knuckles playable again.

[Generations (Chaos Warp)]

Gonna pop in here and post my last thoughts for a while.....

If what they said happened, I'd have no REAL problems. I mean, it's what they've been doing, and those are great games, right? But I'd still want things like multiple playable characters, a more complex and meaty storyline and the ditching of 2d sections. I'd still want those things, but they are lower on the priority list of wants.

[goku262002]

Actually i read a few that wanted characters like tails, Shadow and knuckles playable again.

Point being that these modern characters are automaticly linked with shit while classics will allways be linked with classics. They allways link tails and knuckles to the old genesis days while they don't link shadow to SA2 but instead SHTH or 2006 and not Big to Heroes but instead his horrid fishing segments in SA1. only a few modern characters can be linked with decent games Omega to heroes, Cream to SADV2, Blaze to Rush.

Modern characters get allot of bad slack over there used-to-be gameplay. just because a character is rumored to be added people start thinking of that bad gameplay it its possiblity of coming back when they never think of the fact that the character can be changed to fit the current gameplay. hell somehow Amy and Espio learned how to suddleny use homing attack in Heroes its because the gameplay changed so the character's gameplay changed too. people have got to get out of this mindset that when a modern sonic character is added its suddleny going to guns and fishing segments again.

Edited by goku262002, 12 April 2012 - 03:55 AM.

[Sega DogTagz]

Sonic Team still needs to learn that our voices come first not jaded ex-sonic fan/non-fan reviewers.

Bah, Sonic Team shouldn’t be taking sides at all. That’s the mentality that got us stuck in the garbage chute in the first place.

Die-Hard fan or not, Sega shouldn’t be aiming their games at me. If they did, every stage would be designed for the ultimate speed-run challenge with some Unleashed Eggmanland thrown in for good measure. Sega just needs to focus on getting the best possible product on the table that appeals to the most fans of platformers and/or action games.

Anything else is just a bonus.

[/_JXJ_\]

Bah, Sonic Team shouldn’t be taking sides at all. That’s the mentality that got us stuck in the garbage chute in the first place.

Die-Hard fan or not, Sega shouldn’t be aiming their games at me. If they did, every stage would be designed for the ultimate speed-run challenge with some Unleashed Eggmanland thrown in for good measure. Sega just needs to focus on getting the best possible product on the table that appeals to the most fans of platformers and/or action games.

Anything else is just a bonus.

Yes, but they needed to win fans back after being all over the place with the recent poor gameplay and quality.

[Scar]

If Sonic Generations, Unleashed and Colours are the same game, then so are S1, S2 and S3&K.
Ok? Is that a fair enough conclusion?

Anyway, the future is nebulous. We shall see, when we shall see. Its probably not that long now, till Sonic Team releases a teaser trailer for the next Sonic game (that isn't Sonic 4)

[ilcane87]

The booth reps also said that SEGA is committed to delivering more classic Sonic games in the future(). While they confirmed that there would be no DLC add-ons for Episode II, they did say that Episode II does not end the Sonic 4 story. Instead, they are taking Sonic games one at a time. If Episode II does well, Episode III will come out. After that, IV, and so on until they get to the point where they are ready to develop Sonic 5() (the rep speculated this wouldn’t be until after Sonic 4: Episode IV).

asked if Sonic would be remaining 2D in the future. I was told that 3D Sonic is a core part of the brand, but that SEGA is aware that fans want more 2D action (). Further Sonic titles will probably continue to use the fusion of 3D and 2D gameplay (). SEGA is also aware that Sonic fans want to see more old school conflict between Sonic and Robotnik(). This means that we will see less of Sonic traveling through time, space, fantasy worlds, and other dimensions. All we need is just Sonic, his furry friends, and lots of evil robots().

Speaking of furry friends, SEGA also seems to have figured out that Sonic: The Hedgehog has reached a critical furry mass of supporting characters. The booth reps said that they want to shift the focus of Sonic games back onto Sonic himself(). Although Tails was added to Sonic 4: Episode II, the focus still remains on Sonic and the Sonic-style gameplay. This holds true for mainstream titles as well. Sonic will always be the main character, and supporting characters will be slowly introduced as if the games are starting all over again().

To finish off, SEGA’s reps explained to CCC that the plan is to focus Sonic games back on to the blue blur and the fast-paced gameplay he’s known for, which means fans of Sonic’s friends may still not be playing as them in a main Sonic title anytime soon().

Seems like they're doing exactly the opposite of what I'd like them to do, surprise surprise!
I'm seeing lots of assumptions and generalizations about the fandom too, which doesn't come as a surprise either.

Looks like several more years of not caring for this series are incoming, as far as I'm concerned; given the recent financial news, I wonder if Sega will survive long enough to realize that many fans aren't satisfied with the current formula.

[Azure Yakuzu]

Seems like they're doing exactly the opposite of what I'd like them to do, surprise surprise!
I'm seeing lots of assumptions and generalizations about the fandom too, which doesn't come as a surprise either.

Looks like several more years of not caring for this series are incoming, as far as I'm concerned; given the recent financial news, I wonder if Sega will survive long enough to realize that many fans aren't satisfied with the current formula.

....So because the series isn't doing what you want it to do, it obviously means they "Don't care". We're so sorry oh divine one that Sega are not conforming to your own warped vision of the franchise.


And then people wonder why the internet hates us; One minute we ask for one thing, and when its given to us we want something else completely different.

Edited by Shadic18, 12 April 2012 - 12:05 PM.

[ilcane87]

....So because the series isn't doing what you want it to do, it obviously means they "Don't care". We're so sorry oh divine one that Sega are not conforming to your own warped vision of the franchise.


And then people wonder why the internet hates us; One minute we ask for one thing, and when its given to us we want something else completely different.

I have no idea how you interpreted my post, but that's not what I said, not even close.

Let us read that part again:

Looks like several more years of not caring for this series are incoming, as far as I'm concerned.

See the bolded? Those are the key words.

[sonfan1984]

Seems like they're doing exactly the opposite of what I'd like them to do, surprise surprise!
I'm seeing lots of assumptions and generalizations about the fandom too, which doesn't come as a surprise either.

I think Shadic 18 is talking about this, They're really not doing assumptions or generalizing the fandom when most people just want to see the classic Sonic vs Eggman without any MotW monsters and most people outside the fanbase hates the friend characters. Check out the huge uproar when Sonic's friends and Silver and Shadow as bosses are announced in Generations. It's pathetic.

[ilcane87]

I think Shadic 18 is talking about this, They're really not doing assumptions or generalizing the fandom when most people just want to see the classic Sonic vs Eggman without any MotW monsters and most people outside the fanbase hates the friend characters. Check out the huge uproar when Sonic's friends and Silver and Shadow as bosses are announced in Generations. It's pathetic.

Uhm, Shadic was actually refering to the "care" part, judging by his wording; while I meant that I, personally, don't care much about the series nowadays, he thought I meant Sega doesn't.

Anyway, I find the part I bolded to be quite a big, debatable generalization about the fandom; also, the article didn't refer to people outside the fanbase, but specifically to Sonic fans.

[goku262002]

Seems like they're doing exactly the opposite of what I'd like them to do, surprise surprise!
I'm seeing lots of assumptions and generalizations about the fandom too, which doesn't come as a surprise either.

Looks like several more years of not caring for this series are incoming, as far as I'm concerned; given the recent financial news, I wonder if Sega will survive long enough to realize that many fans aren't satisfied with the current formula.

...Says you! Don't speak for me, your a bad PR guy.

I'm satisfied with the current formula. It just needs tweaking and it seems with every release it gets tweaked alittle bit better to where we want it to go.

[ilcane87]

...Says you! Don't speak for me, your a bad PR guy.

When, pray tell, did I ever speak for you, exactly?

[Azure Yakuzu]

I have no idea how you interpreted my post, but that's not what I said, not even close.

Let us read that part again:



See the bolded? Those are the key words.

That still doesn't change the fact that you're generalizing just because you're not getting what you want, sounds pretty damn childish.

[ilcane87]

That still doesn't change the fact that you're generalizing just because you're not getting what you want, sounds pretty damn childish.

How am I generalizing?
If anything, I'm criticising the generalizations that were made.

If you're talking about this part...

many fans aren't satisfied with the current formula.

...that's no generalization, many fans doesn't mean all fans, it doesn't mean most fans, or even half of the fans.

I just meant that several people aren't perfectly fine with the current formula, which I think is clear by this topic alone.

[Roarz]

Cool story bro, now can we move on?

Less of the childish 'cool story bro' bullshit, thanks!

Now chill out in here peeps, it's getting a bit heated. That's not a request by the way.

[SpikySprinter]

So after finding a safe zone in the 2D-3D arena, which has produced two of the most critically acclaimed Sonic games in years, we want to go back to the style that SEGA hasn't done decently since 2001? I find that rather frightening.

Edited by SpikySprinter, 13 April 2012 - 04:50 AM.