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[Azure Yakuzu]

Since I got the ok from Carbo, I figured I may as well get this on.

I've always thought to myself how would I go measuring each character's strength based on all of their feats and abilities, and this what I came up with. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the battle data thread inspired by a similar thread on another forum I go to, and I figured "What the hell, why not do it for Sonic characters".

But since this is mostly opinion based, I figured the best way to do it would be to use a survey/poll and tally up the votes.

I've thought of some attributes to be judged on, but if you think some don't apply any of the cast and have a better attributes in mind, feel free to tell me in a respectful way please. But the attributes so far are:

Offense: Based on a character's attacking ability, how much damage can they do, their skill with attacking, combat experience, range, and versatility.

Defense: Based on a character's defensive ability, how they support themselves and their teammates, and overall how much can they shield themselves from taking damage.

Agility: Based on a character's movement ability, how fast they are, and how good their reaction time is.

Intelligence: Based on a character's perception, critical thinking, analyzing ability, strategic & tactical awareness, logical deduction, and adaptability.

Stamina: Basically how long a character can last doing extraneous feats before they tire themselves out.

And for added fun, I'll add one miscellaneous ability that's mainly for comedic purposes, it can be anything witty/saracastic/ or out derogatory, but the catch is it needs to apply mostly to that character alone(For example, Sonic - Chilidogs, etc.) The one I feel is the most hilarious I'll use.

To save time, I'll do the characters in order by their team, starting with Team Sonic of course and moving on from there. I'll hopefully have the survey up before the night's out, and we can start this. Since there are so many members, I have to limit the maximum votes to 200 per team so not everyone will get a chance to vote sadly, so I advice you to vote as quickly as possible and make it count because you only get one.


If anyone wants to collaborate feel free to PM me and ask what you'd like to contribute, because I'm going to need all of the help I can get with this, and hopefully I can keep it going.



IMPORTANT NOTE: This is NOT a "my character is better than yours" topic, this is simply a topic to discuss the character's abilities and how they rank among each other, and it is purely for enjoyment's sake, so please have fun with it. You're free to disagree with the results, and discuss what you think is wrong with them, but once I've tallied everything, the decision is final, no exception. If you think a character's stats are off, then tough.

So let's do this:

Battle Ratings: Vote Here

Vote for Sonic, "Tails", & Knuckles - CLOSED

Vote for Amy, Cream, & Big - CLOSED

Vote for Shadow, Rouge, & Omega - VOTE HERE

Vote Espio, Charmy, & Vector - Coming Soon

Vote for Blaze, Silver, & Eggman Nega - Coming soon

Vote for Eggman, Metal Sonic, & Orbot/Cubot - Coming soon

Vote for Jet, Wave, & Storm - Coming Soon

I may add more soon, but I'll stick with this for now.

Note: Zeroes & Ones will not be counted, due to bullshit fanboys. Also, I apologize to ask, but can anyone who already voted please vote again, I made sure to filter out the bullshit this time so I apologize once again.

Edited by Ragna the Bloodedge, 07 August 2012 - 11:32 PM.

[VEDJ-F]

Going by the Mario and Sonic series...it changes from one game to the next. Sonic characters really aren't good at being quantified.

[Blue Blood]

Yeah, every characters changes by game. Amy was renowned for her lack of speed in SA1, and come Heroes she's a speed character somehow. And the in Colours, Sonic miraculously gained the ability to swim for the sake of gameplay. The cast all have a loose set of skills at their their disposal, but how they're put into use really depends on the game. It's hard to say what anyone is like when you consider than since '08 all we've seen is Sonic, and he can do everything while everyone else can only stand there and be defenceless (Tails in Windmill Isle Night).

Edited by Blue Blood, 01 August 2012 - 09:56 AM.

[Soniman]

I thought this topic had something to do with the Emerl abilities you can unlock in Sonic Battle, lolz.

Edited by The Noodle, 31 July 2012 - 11:47 PM.

[Nepenthe]

This sounds quite interesting. I've always had a vague interest in hypothetical match-up discussions but they always seem to devolve into "x character can do y to z character and win" "But z character can always counter with w and then win" ad infinitum. Way too much ridiculousness and subjectivity for me, but at least the introduction of attributes is putting some kind of measure into play that will hopefully stave that off a little.

But how are we doing this exactly? Are we merely submitting votes for how we believe each character performs in a particular attribute? If so, what's the maximum number of points allotted for an entire vote? And I'm curious, should we first discuss the canon abilities of the characters first? How will this work?

[Azure Yakuzu]

Yeah, every characters changes by game. Amy was renowned for her lack of speed in SA1, and come Heroes she's a speed character somehow. And the in Colours, Sonic miraculously gained the ability to swim for the same of gameplay. The cast all have a loose set of skills at their their disposal, but how they're put into use really depends on the game. It's hard to say what anyone is like when you consider than since '08 all we've seen is Sonic, and he can do everything while everyone else can only stand there and be defenceless (Tails in Windmill Isle Night).

Well like I said, this is mostly opinion based so characters may seem off.

But how are we doing this exactly? Are we merely submitting votes for how we believe each character performs in a particular attribute? If so, what's the maximum number of points allotted for an entire vote? And I'm curious, should we first discuss the canon abilities of the characters first? How will this work?

The scale runs on a 0-10 spectrum, with 10 being the highest obviously, and like I said only 200 votes are going to be alotted. And if you think certain abilities apply, feel free to speak up.

I'm mainly trying to use "Polldaddy.com" as a credible service site, only 200 votes can be tallied per month hence why the limit, and not everyone's vote can be tallied unfortunately when I get the poll up and running, you'll see for yourselves, but to here's a sample:

http://pdsupport.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/likert-sample.png?w=670

[Azure Yakuzu]

Ok, I got the poll up, here you guys go for anyone who's too lazy to read the OP:

Vote for Sonic, "Tails", & Knuckles here

[Generations (Chaos Warp)]

I filled out the poll. Let's see where this goes.

[Diogenes]

Are we counting Super forms? Because that'd skew things pretty heavily in favor of anyone with one.

[Generations (Chaos Warp)]

Are we counting Super forms? Because that'd skew things pretty heavily in favor of anyone with one.

Maybe make a separate poll for Super forms later?

[Azure Yakuzu]

Are we counting Super forms? Because that'd skew things pretty heavily in favor of anyone with one.

Not really considering they're more of a power up than anything else, this is strictly base abilities.

Oh, and guys feel free to post your own personal table based on mine if you want, I'm not going to restrict people to just a poll if they have their own standings, so post away.

Edited by The Batman, 01 August 2012 - 12:39 AM.

[Eleventh Doctor]

I filled it out. Now we wait...

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

I think Tails was the hardest to evaluate since his abilities fluctuate so much. He obviously gets a 10 in the intelligence, but the offense and defense was pretty hard to put together since in some games he's awesome where as in other games he's either "meh" or crap in those areas.

Goes to show that Sonic Team need to start putting more work into this guy.

[Diogenes]

For the sake of having some kind of discussion, I'll go over my votes:

Sonic:
Offense: 7/10: Sonic lacks the raw power of some characters, but he can still hit pretty hard, and none hit faster.
Defense: 5/10: Fairly average, I'd say. Unless you count the instashield, he doesn't have anything special going on.
Agility: 9/10: He's Sonic, what more is there to say? The only downside is that he can't literally fly.
Intelligence: 5/10: Pretty average. He might taunt his opponents to gain an advantage, but at the same time his overconfidence may hurt him.
Stamina: 9/10: You don't run like Sonic and get tired over some little fight.

Tails:
Offense: 4/10: Tails is still just a kid, and he's largely fallen into a support role rather than being an active fighter. That said, he's still capable of taking on Eggman's robots unarmed, and he's got a few gadgets to fall back on, so it's not as if he's helpless.
Defense: 2/10: Again, he's still a kid, and fliers generally aren't very bulky.
Agility: 8/10: This is where Tails starts to turn it around; Tails is used to following close behind Sonic, so his speed must be similar, and he's got flight on top of it.
Intelligence: 8/10: Tails' intelligence is said to rival Eggman's, so it's no doubt that he's getting a good score here, but I don't feel he really applies this to combat all that much.
Stamina: 4/10: This is a hard one to gauge; on the one hand he follows Sonic around, on the other his flight always seems to peter out real quick. Given that he's usually been in a support role lately, I'll give him just south of average.

Knuckles:
Offense: 8/10: No doubt Knuckles is strong, but he's all close combat; his lack of range robs him of those last two points.
Defense: 6/10: Being the muscle of Team Sonic, he's probably above average in bulk.
Agility: 7/10: He's slowed in recent days, but he should still be fairly quick, and he's got gliding and climbing on his side.
Intelligence: 2/10: Knuckles...is not particularly smart. Not that I'm calling him stupid, but he's among the most likely to be tricked or to lose his temper in a fight.
Stamina: 8/10: Dude climbs walls with his fists and doesn't even break a sweat. e: Let me rephrase that: Dude punches his way up walls and doesn't even break a sweat.

Edited by Diogenes, 01 August 2012 - 01:10 AM.

[Azure Yakuzu]

So far it looks like all three characters are fairly even, with Sonic being just two points higher than Tails & Knuckles.


May as well post fliers for the rest of the characters too so people can have something to go on.

Edited by The Batman, 01 August 2012 - 01:22 AM.

[Diogenes]

Wait, we're doing final bosses, too? Those things are straight up off the charts...

[Azure Yakuzu]

Wait, we're doing final bosses, too? Those things are straight up off the charts...

Yeah I know, and like a dumbass I forgot to limit the options to one per computer and apparently a fanboy found it, *ugh* it's horrible.

[Azure Yakuzu]

Note: Zeroes & Ones will not be counted, due to bullshit fanboys. Also, I apologize to ask, but can anyone who already voted please vote again, I made sure to filter out the bullshit this time so I apologize once again.

[743-E.D. Missile]

I'll be like Diogenes and post up my thoughts as to why I gave the scores I gave, in spoilers of course.

Spoiler

Offense:
Sonic got a 7: Sonic is highly versatile: He can create whirlwinds, boost, has the homing attack, stomp and bounce, and can generally close the gap between him and a foe with little difficulty. However, his actual physical strength when not at top speed is probably average at best, and he is still mostly a close range combatant.

Tails got a 4: How often does this kid fight really? Even though he has the ability to attack with his tails and spindash in the past, he really doesn't have that many offensive moves and we don't really see him fight all that often. Plus, he's the 3rd youngest member of the cast, and thus his strength is limited by age.

Knuckles got an 8: Let's face it; Knuckles is brutishly strong, with the ability to destroy enemies by punches, that weird drill attack in SA2, and can crush boulders that most other characters would have to go around or be moving at a high speed to break. Unfortunately, he is primarily a melee combatant, and doesn't really have a lot of ways to close the gap between him and his target from range.

Defense:
Sonic got a 5: His boost is basically a shield and sword when it's in use, but otherwise, he is rather average defensive wise.

Tails got a 4: Due to not really seeing him in combat that often, I would assume his defense is rather low.

Knuckles got a 7: Because of his supreme strength, and his constant tendency to crush boulders and break walls, I would presume he can take a lot of hits. Not to mention he is a bit bulkier than Sonic and Tails physically.

Agility:
Sonic got a 9: Obvious reasons. He can wall jump, boost, could at one time roll on slopes to go even faster, and he's SONIC. the only thing that keeps him from a perfect 10 is the fact that he doesn't have much air time.

Tails got an 8: Tails' running speed is average as far as I know, but what gets him up to 8 is because of his ability to fly, which no doubt gives him a lot of maneuverability.

Knuckles got a 7: Knuckles is slower than Tails' flight speed and much slower than Sonic's running speed, but he's still pretty quick and he can scale vertical surfaces and glide.

Intel:
Sonic got a 5: I wasn't really sure what to give him initially, but I stuck with 5 because while he isn't stupid, he does have a tendency to rush into fights, and his tendency to become overconfident at the worst times can be a detriment.

Tails got a 9: This kid is smart; his skills in machinery could potentially rival Eggman and he generally serves the voice of reason to his friend Sonic. The only thing I would say that could hold him back in the past would be his original lack of confidence, but I'm not sure how valid that is now.

Knuckles got a 4: Knuckles has a short temper, he has been duped quite a few times by Eggman, and flanderization of his character has resulted in a low intellect score.

Stamina:
Sonic got a 7: He has to be pretty durable if he can survive face bombing the ground, moving at 300+ miles per hour, and hitting Eggman's robots at the aforementioned speed.

Tails got a 4: He's a kid, so his body would not be that strong. He also doesn't seem to engage in combat very often, so he can't be that resilient.

Knuckles got an 8: He can crush boulders, punch through walls, and generally come out unscathed...yeah.

If this sounds rather similar to Diogenes, it's because I couldn't think of anything else, and because this is based on what we have seen, not what we want these characters to be.

Edited by Enigmatus, 01 August 2012 - 06:33 AM.

[HUNTER297]

Tails can't get 10 for intelligence. Simply because EGGMAN takes that score. I gave him 9