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[Burnt Ash]

This is something I've been thinking about for the past week or so, and it got me interested, I guess. Anyway, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Heroes have some links between them, however, there are still some unexplained things in between the game, such as why Knuckles, Rouge, and the Master Emerald appear in Wild Canyon when the ME was last seen on Angel Island, or how Metal Sonic got from his stasis tube from Sonic Adventure all the way to various levels in Sonic Heroes. Well that's what the topic is for, theorizing what could have happened in between the games regarding certain subjects.

At the end of Sonic Adventure, you've got:

-Eggman flying away
-Sonic running off somewhere
-Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Big simply standing there
- Eggman's bases seemingly destroyed

Sonic and friends make their first appearances in SA2 with:

-Eggman invading a GUN HQ
-Sonic escaping GUN persuit
-Shadow awakening
-Tails flying to Prison Island
-Knuckles and Rouge fighting over the ME at Wild Canyon
-Amy at Prison Island
-Big following everyone everywhere for some reason

And with Heroes, you've got Metal Sonic disguised as Eggman, misleading the heroes as to who's the real villain this time around.

There's a lot you could mess around with ranging from how the ME ended up at Wild Canyon, how Metal Sonic returned (again), how Amy got to Prison Island, and where in the world Tails bought a satellite TV. Me? I've got a theory on how Metal Sonic returned, and got to where he was in Heroes (might sound (a bit) crazy):

Alright, so you know how Metal Sonic was in that stasis tube by the Final Egg entrance? Perhaps Metal escaped at the end of Sonic Adventure, and chased down Eggman, angry at the fact that he confined him in that stasis tube. At the time Metal found Eggman, Eggman was researching project Shadow, and Metal thought that Eggman was going to replace him with this weird new project (possibly, considering this is before Metal goes out and betrays Eggman from Heroes onward). This leads Metal to try and stop Eggman from waking up Shadow. At the end of Metal's little quest, he confronts Eggman right before Iron Gate, and is defeated. Humiliated, Metal makes plans to get his revenge on Doctor Eggman, and does so in Heroes, where he traps Eggman, and proceeds to take Eggman's identity leading the four teams to believe that Eggman is the true enemy. And then Metal gets destroyed, and that's the last we see of him in a main series game until Generations.

Thoughts? Other ideas?

[Gen]

I think your theory makes sense, since I've never thought of that.

[Diogenes]

There's no evidence for it. It doesn't explain where Metal got his transforming/copying powers. There's no reason to have Metal challenge Eggman right before Iron Gate, of all times and places. Why would Eggman abandon Metal in Final Egg if he bothered to repair him in the first place?

Simpler solution: Eggman recovered Metal Sonic from Final Egg after the events of SA. He continued improving him between games, eventually giving him the transforming/copying power he has in Heroes. Metal rebels for some reason (could be copying Sonic's independence, could be his desire to defeat Sonic outweighs his loyalty to Eggman, whatever), cue Heroes.

[Blue Blood]

Your theory just grasps mercilessly at thin air and still manages to rely on inexplicably convenient events and some things that just couldn't possibly happen.

• How did Metal Sonic escape Final Egg?
• Metal Sonic battled Eggman right before Iron Gate? Pretty sure something like that would have an impact on Eggman's story...
• ... and then Eggman apparently leaves his vengeful creation to his own devices afterwards. Metal Sonic has apparently just escaped from captivity and challenged his master, so there's no way Eggman would just leave him be.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of harmless fanon, but this one doesn't add up at all.

Edited by Blue Blood, 21 August 2012 - 07:52 PM.

[Master Bater]

It would make more sense if the Adventure games were linked to ShTH and Sonic '06.

Why?

Well, ShTH is pretty obvious...

and Sonic '06 felt like SA3.

[Τhe Joker]

It's worth remembering that Eggman for some reason programs his robots with an ability to decide for themselves. Millions of Badniks and the original E-Series followed him, believing it to be what's right. Gamma, Metal Sonic, and Omega decided to pursue their own goals. Metal probably just went off to decide for himself, locking Eggman up and going crazy with the upgrades and various technology Robotnik leaves lying around. When he was destroyed in Heroes, Robotnik has since never bothered to put him back together in the main series. I think the bad doctor's methods on humanity in his Badniks is something we need explained a bit more...

[Burnt Ash]

There's no evidence for it. It doesn't explain where Metal got his transforming/copying powers. There's no reason to have Metal challenge Eggman right before Iron Gate, of all times and places. Why would Eggman abandon Metal in Final Egg if he bothered to repair him in the first place?

Simpler solution: Eggman recovered Metal Sonic from Final Egg after the events of SA. He continued improving him between games, eventually giving him the transforming/copying power he has in Heroes. Metal rebels for some reason (could be copying Sonic's independence, could be his desire to defeat Sonic outweighs his loyalty to Eggman, whatever), cue Heroes.

It doesn't necessarily have to be right before Iron Gate, just somewhere before Eggman enters Iron Gate. As for why Eggman bothered to repair him, I'm not sure actually, given his intentions with Metal and that other robot aren't exactly clear, although you could say that he intended to awaken him and once he did, Heroes begins. I like the simpler solution you gave, but at the same time, I'd kinda like to see why Metal would rebel against Eggman all of a sudden, since he seemed somewhat loyal to Eggman during Sonic 4 and CD. I

Your theory just grasps mercilessly at thin air and still manages to rely on inexplicably convenient events and some things that just couldn't possibly happen.

• How did Metal Sonic escape Final Egg?
• Metal Sonic battled Eggman right before Iron Gate? Pretty sure something like that would have an impact on Eggman's story...
• ... and then Eggman apparently leaves his vengeful creation to his own devices afterwards. Metal Sonic has apparently just escaped from captivity and challenged his master, so there's no way Eggman would just leave him be.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of harmless fanon, but this one doesn't add up at all.

Huh, I haven't thought about that. I suppose some of the events are unusually convenient, like the ones you pointed out above. I don't know how to answer the first question, unless if the flood from Station Square affected Mystic Ruins as well, which I have no evidence to prove. The second point, yeah, it would, and I overlooked that, now that I think about it, but as for the third point, hasn't Eggman left other creations to their own devices before? I mean, he didn't really care for Gamma or Omega's betrayal right?

[Blue Blood]

... but as for the third point, hasn't Eggman left other creations to their own devices before? I mean, he didn't really care for Gamma or Omega's betrayal right?

Gamma escaped from Eggman while on a mission, and the two never crossed paths again. Beta mk.II was created and made to destroy Gamma, so there's that. And then Omega has succeeded in defeating Eggman at their every meeting (apart from Chronicles, but that's fucking Chronicles...). On top of that Omega is an ally of Shadow and Rouge, who are circumstantial allies of Eggman too. If Metal Sonic out right attacked Eggman and was defeated, he wouldn't have been left to plot his revenge. It just doesn't work.

[Burnt Ash]

Gamma escaped from Eggman while on a mission, and the two never crossed paths again. Beta mk.II was created and made to destroy Gamma, so there's that. And then Omega has succeeded in defeating Eggman at their every meeting (apart from Chronicles, but that's fucking Chronicles...). On top of that Omega is an ally of Shadow and Rouge, who are circumstantial allies of Eggman too. If Metal Sonic out right attacked Eggman and was defeated, he wouldn't have been left to plot his revenge. It just doesn't work.

Oh, I see. Well, in that case, yes, my idea is flawed in that regard then. Not to sound like a jerk, but I was wondering if you had an idea of how to explain Metal's return in Heroes. I'm somewhat curious as to how others would explain it.

[Rally the Cheetah]

Yeah, I don't think I can see Metal fighting with Eggman at anytime in SA2. If anything he awoke the when the Final Egg crashed then went to seek out Eggman for repairs (sorta like what he did in his story in Episode 4). He may had found Eggman during SA2 but I doubt he confronted him. If anything Eggman would be like "oh, you're back... well go... stand over there..." So Metal likely did and watched Eggman from the sidelines. I figure after SA2 Eggman went looking for Shadow, found him, and put him in a pod so he could use his data to make Shadow clone/droids. Now we know Metal likes collecting Data right? So he gets the data from Shadow then from that begins forming a plan to take out Sonic. His sudden ability to transform is hard to explain, I heard one argue he learned it from Froggy and Chocola (because Froggy was able to change and grow a tail when he ate an emerald and chao can transform naturally). I guess this theory sorta makes sense, if nothing else it gives him a reason to abduct those characters. The rest, well we know from Heroes.

[Blue Blood]

Oh, I see. Well, in that case, yes, my idea is flawed in that regard then. Not to sound like a jerk, but I was wondering if you had an idea of how to explain Metal's return in Heroes. I'm somewhat curious as to how others would explain it.

One bright, sunny day after Sonic Adventure 2, Metal Sonic happened. Then Sonic Heroes started. The End

I can't explain it, but at the same time I don't care about it all too much It doesn't need much explanation, much like many of the events that preceed the opening story in Sonic games. How did Amy get to Prison Island? No wait, scratch that. How did she get to Spagonia when the world had exploded? Why was everyone in Soleanna? Why did everyone randomly have their EX Gear with them at the start of ZG? The list can go on.

Edited by Blue Blood, 21 August 2012 - 09:07 PM.

[Chaos Rush]

-Eggman invading a GUN HQ

Eggman wanted to see his old papa's secret weapon. Oh and when he was shown flying away at the end of SA1, he had a parachute and landed in Scrap Brain Zone, and then he had a transport to his base at Mystic Ruins.

-Big following everyone everywhere for some reason

Big was jealous that all his buddies he met in SA1 were doing some serious business, so he decided to follow them around.

There's a lot you could mess around with ranging from how the ME ended up at Wild Canyon

One day Knuckles was playing games at Carnival Night Zone, so Rouge went to his Hidden Palace Zone and took the Master Emerald. Bats live in caves, so there's a cave area near Wild Canyon where Rouge lives in, so she took the Master Emerald near her home, and Knuckles followed her.

how Metal Sonic returned (again)

Dr. Eggman was mumbling in his base on how to take over the world and Metal Sonic overheard, so he got mad and broke out of the tube when Eggman wasn't looking. Then he gained his Neo-Metal Sonic form by convincing some other Badniks to upgrade him, thus explaining how he got his copy powers.

how Amy got to Prison Island,

Sonic made a Facebook status update saying, "Shit, trapped on Prison Island! Tails! Come save me!". Amy saw the status, so she looked for a spring. She eventually found one. In Sonic Advance, if you use your hammer on a spring while jumping, you'll jump a really high distance. So she used that move from Sonic Advance on the spring, and then landed all the way on Prison Island, because she managed to jump really really high.

and where in the world Tails bought a satellite TV.

At Sears. He was going to get it at Best Buy, but then he noticed that the Sears logo looked similar to the SEGA logo, which appealed to Tails more.

How did Amy get to Prison Island? No wait, scratch that. How did she get to Spagonia when the world had exploded? Why was everyone in Soleanna? Why did everyone randomly have their EX Gear with them at the start of ZG? The list can go on.

As I mentioned earlier, Amy got to Prison Island by jumping on a spring while using her spring-hammer move from Sonic Advance. She got to Spagonia also by using the spring-hammer move. Everyone was in Soleanna because there was the Soleanna festival taking place, which Tails really wanted to see. So Tails bribed all his animal friends with Nutella to go there. Everyone randomly had their EX Gear at the start of ZG, because the day before that was Station Square's annual Halloween party, so Sonic convinced all his friends to dress up like they did in Sonic Riders. But unknown to them, Eggman placed super glue on all of their EX gear, so Sonic and his friends couldn't take it off. The next day, the events of ZG took place, and thanks to Eggman's super glue, they already have their gear and wear it for the duration of the game. After the events of the game, Tails invented a super-glue melter.