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[Gonard]

Well I don't really know if I posted here before, but I'll do it again.

I can not emphasis this enough. There is really NOTHING good about this game. Unlike most people, I don't even like the music. I mean, even most bad Sonic games have good music. This one? Nope :V

I guess the opening cutscene is alright though now that I think about it. It's kinda-sorta epic...

So I take it you did not like the Modern or Classic Crisis City music in Generations?

[Shadzter]

Your opinion isn't the majority, since most of the critics praised the hedgehog gameplay. And I found it to be VASTLY superior to SA2's Sonic/Shadow gameplay, which was too slow by Sonic standards and featured boring and simplistic stages.

Where did I say it was? I said some people, including myself.

[Burnt Ash]

Bollocks. Taking a series that is known for speed and producing a game in which the speed-based stages made up only 30% of the it wasn't any more excusable back then than it is now. People just weren't as whiny as they're now.

Don't know if this is completely true, but back in 2001, expectations for 3D games were lower than they are now, as back then, 3D was still relatively new at the time. Basically, people were more lenient, hence, SA2 (Dreamcast) holds a 9.4 on IGN, and similar scores around other gaming websites. Nowadays, as devs got more and more experience with 3D games, expectations increased, and people just weren't as lenient as they were back in 2001. Thus, Unleashed was pretty much panned.

[Dere]

That's not really saying much cause most of those critics still lables Unleashed as a bad game or treats it like it's as bad as Sonic 06.

Sonic Generations has the same gameplay as the SU hedgehog stages and it was well received.Also, the part of critics treating SU like it is as bad as Sonic 2006 is false, as the game holds a higher score than Sonic 2006 in GameRankings.

Where did I say it was? I said some people, including myself.

My bad.

Edited by Dere, 17 April 2012 - 11:44 PM.

[Gonard]

Sonic Generations has the same gameplay as the SU hedgehog stages and it was well received.Also, the part of critics treating SU like it is as bad as Sonic 2006 is BS, as the game holds a higher score than Sonic 2006 in GameRankings.

Sonic Generations didn't have the werehog stages, You know the thing that got Unleashed panned by a lot of people?Generations replaces the werehog with Classic sonic. Places like IGN gave unleashed a lower score than 06 actually.

Edited by Hedgehogs Boost, 17 April 2012 - 11:29 PM.

[sonfan1984]

Sonic Generations has the same gameplay as the SU hedgehog stages and it was well received.Also, the part of critics treating SU like it is as bad as Sonic 2006 is BS, as the game holds a higher score than Sonic 2006 in GameRankings.

No it's not BS cause most of the time when they talk about bad Sonic games in Sonic articles/reviews/previews, they seems to almost always put Unleashed as one of them along with Sonic 06 and Shadow.

Sonic Generations didn't have the werehog stages, which is why it got panned by a lot of people.Generations replaces the werehog with Classic sonic.

Huh? I'd thought the werehog stages in Unleashed is one of the main reasons why it got panned by alot of people.

Edited by sonfan1984, 17 April 2012 - 11:26 PM.

[Sega DogTagz]

There is really NOTHING good about this game.

Lets not say things we can't take back now......

[Wooly-Fools]

So I take it you did not like the Modern or Classic Crisis City music in Generations?

Actually I do. The original '06 version just sounds way to shallow to me though...

Oh yeah and the Crush 40 version of "All Hail Shadow" was great...

[Azure Yakuzu]

Sonic Generations has the same gameplay as the SU hedgehog stages and it was well received.Also, the part of critics treating SU like it is as bad as Sonic 2006 is false, as the game holds a higher score than Sonic 2006 in GameRankings.

Generations has nostalgia backing it up, and Unleashed is mostly panned simply because of the Werehog alone. Unleashed's reputation is divisive at best, its not as bad as 06 but its particularly a good game either.

[y cant solkia crawl]

Sonic 06 is awesome. If it was a human female, I'd want her to bear my children.

Spoiler

I mean who wouldn't want kids who could walk on walls and ceilings?

[Burnt Ash]

You know, looking at that makes we want Sonic Man to come back. In the Hedgehog Engine. Which would be...AWESOME!

[Gonard]

No it's not BS cause most of the time when they talk about bad Sonic games in Sonic articles/reviews/previews, they seems to almost always put Unleashed as one of them along with Sonic 06 and Shadow.



Huh? I'd thought the werehog stages in Unleashed is one of the main reasons why it got panned by alot of people.

Oh I was referring to Unleashed when i said "that's why it got panned by a lot of people."

[Sega DogTagz]

You know, looking at that makes we want Sonic Man to come back. In the Hedgehog Engine. Which would be...AWESOME!

It makes me think of that Professor Pickle Unleashed mod that popped up on the front page a few days ago.


Somehow, someway, somebody NEEDS to do that with Sonic Man.

[Burnt Ash]

It makes me think of that Professor Pickle Unleashed mod that popped up on the front page a few days ago.


Somehow, someway, somebody NEEDS to do that with Sonic Man.

Oh yes. Then perhaps Sonic Man can finally beat Sonic once and for all.

[SiLeNtDo0m]

Sonicman

The only character in the entirety of 06 that had any sort of character or personality whatsoever. And only because he was ripping off the main character.

Oh and Hatsun the Pidgeon as well.

Edited by SiLeNt PyRrH0n, 17 April 2012 - 11:30 PM.

[Gonard]

Sonicman

The only character in the entirety of 06 that had any sort of character or personality whatsoever. And only because he was ripping off the main character.

Oh and Hatsun the Pidgeon as well.

And pele the dog!

[Dere]

Sonic Generations didn't have the werehog stages, which is why it got panned by a lot of people.Generations replaces the werehog with Classic sonic.

I was talking about the Hedgehog stages.

Places like IGN gave unleashed a lower score than 06 actually.

Well, most places didn't.

No it's not BS cause most of the time when they talk about bad Sonic games in Sonic articles/reviews/previews, they seems to almost always put Unleashed as one of them along with Sonic 06 and Shadow.

And if people had been as whiny back in the day as they're now, SA2 would be included in that list, too, for the reason I gave.

Generations has nostalgia backing it up, and Unleashed is mostly panned simply because of the Werehog alone. Unleashed's reputation is divisive at best, its not as bad as 06 but its particularly a good game either.

Do people read my posts? I acknowledged that SU was panned because of the Werehog stages, and pointed out the double standard in SA2 that isn't hated so much despite its mediocre shooting and treasure hunting stages making up 2/3 of the game (whereas in SU, the Werehog stages make up only 1/2 of the game). Then when someone suggested that maybe people didn't like the Hedgehog stages either, I defended them by pointing out that they were praised by most critics, and that Generations featured the same gameplay as those stages and was praised, too. I didn't say the Werehog gameplay was any good.

Don't know if this is completely true, but back in 2001, expectations for 3D games were lower than they are now, as back then, 3D was still relatively new at the time. Basically, people were more lenient, hence, SA2 (Dreamcast) holds a 9.4 on IGN, and similar scores around other gaming websites. Nowadays, as devs got more and more experience with 3D games, expectations increased, and people just weren't as lenient as they were back in 2001. Thus, Unleashed was pretty much panned.

That doesn't justify SA2. I would agree with you if 2/3 of SA2 consisting in treasure hunting and shooting was due to technical limitations, but that isn't the case. It was a design choice on Sonic Team's part and the industry's inexperience with 3D had nothing to do with it.And SA2B received mixed review scores from most critics despite coming out only one year after SA2 and having enhancements. Some of the critics who reviewed SA2 and then SA2B even admitted that they had given the original game a higher score than it deserved due to the hype of playing a 3D Sonic game.

Edited by Dere, 18 April 2012 - 12:42 AM.

[Urban Flow]

I liked it. Also, one of my favorite Soundtracks ever. Well composed.

[Tornado]

Bollocks. Taking a series that is known for speed and producing a game in which the speed-based stages make up only 30% of the it wasn't any more excusable back then than it is now. People just weren't as whiny as they're now.

Here's a fun concept for you to wrap your mind around then:



When you add a shitty gameplay concept to pad the length of the game 7 years after people were already sick of alternative gameplay styles (which was a sentiment that had already started by the time Adventure 2 Battle came out, by the way), and you do it when two thirds of the parent company you work for are telling it's a bad idea, and you do it when the last game you released is the complete shitstain that this thread is about, people have every right to react to it more strongly than they did way back then.




Because you're new here so I'll let you in on a secret: When Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 both came out, simply having Sonic in 3D was a novel enough concept that people were willing to overlook the flaws with both games. But that novelty was already wearing thin less than a year after the second game came out (as Adventure 2 Battle shows), it was pretty much gone in 2003 (as Adventure DX shows), and it was non-fucking existent nearly 8 years later.

Edited by Tornado, 17 April 2012 - 11:45 PM.

[Gonard]

I was talking about the Hedgehog stages.
Well, most places didn't.And if people had been as whiny back in the day as they're now, SA2 would be included in that list, too, for the motives I stated.


Do people read my posts? I acknowledged that SU was panned because of the Werehog stages, and pointed out the double standard in SA2 that isn't hated so much despite its mediocre shooting and treasure hunting stages making up 1/3 of the game (whereas in SU, the Werehog stages make up only 1/2 of the game). Then when someone suggested that maybe people didn't like the Hedgehog stages either, I defended them by pointing out that they were praised by most critics, and that Generations featured the same gameplay as those stages and was praised, too. I didn't say the Werehog gameplay was any good.

Okay so since critics like it that means it's good.....?
Joking aside, Critics don't really decide what's good and what's not.

And what version of unleashed are you talking about? Wii or 360? Cause By the way your talking about the reviews you must be talking about the wii version. Cause the 360/ps3 version Got pretty low reviews in a lot of places.

As for your adventure 2 complaint, Games advance. 3D gameplay was new at that time. Not so much now. We have expectations for what a 3d game should play like unlike when 3d was new and we were just then exposed to it.

Edited by Hedgehogs Boost, 17 April 2012 - 11:52 PM.