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#221 Blue Blood

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 07:10 PM

It's not in the question I asked, though. Several people, not just you, have been acting like this is something that should continue even if it was no longer necessary (allowing the assumption that it was here) because it's better for the series that way. That is the issue at hand. That this temporary deal should become permanent even if the reasoning that caused Sega to broker the deal now stops happening.


No that's not the question you asked, and I answered that in the post before. That post was a response to your comment about marketing.
 

3 or 5 years in the future. Sega's doing good again, and they've learned some tricks from Nintendo for actually selling the public on their games (or even just relearned the shit they used to know a decade ago). The publishing deal is over. At that point, why is it a good thing if Sega was to restart the deal anyway then?

 
It's a good thing for SEGA if the money is still there. They can advertise their products as much as they want and still not have them sell well if the market doesn't have any interest in it. Generations was actually not terribly marketed here at least; it sponsored the Simpsons for a fair while before and after release, had in-store promotions for months, standard TV adverts and was given a lot of media coverage online. Of course SEGA could have done better, but they've got to target the right audience. If it's better for them to cut out the smaller audiences on other platforms then so be it. It definitely sucks for people in said smaller audience. No doubting that. I can however still advocate the decision.

Edited by Blue Blood, 19 May 2013 - 07:14 PM.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 07:43 PM

No that's not the question you asked, and I answered that in the post before. That post was a response to your comment about marketing.


It's the question I asked to begin the discussion. Nintendo exclusive may be a solution to a specific problem, but that still doesn't tie back to the original query because it's not the only solution and it would be even less of the only solution in the original hypothetical.

 
 

They can advertise their products as much as they want and still not have them sell well if the market doesn't have any interest in it. Generations was actually not terribly marketed here at least; it sponsored the Simpsons for a fair while before and after release, had in-store promotions for months, standard TV adverts and was given a lot of media coverage online. Of course SEGA could have done better, but they've got to target the right audience. If it's better for them to cut out the smaller audiences on other platforms then so be it.


They also released Sonic Generations within a week of:
Modern Warfare 3.
Skyrim.
Battlefield 3.
Two Metal Gear releases.
Uncharted 3.


None of which came to Nintendo systems, so none of which Sega had to compete with in 2010. The only thing Sega had to battle then was DKCR. Better marketing extends beyond just running advertisements. It also includes not sending a product out to die sandwiched between all of biggest releases of the year. Smaller audiences nothing; if competence is the main issue Sega making Sonic exclusive to Nintendo isn't going to do them any good if they only release the games at the same time Nintendo releases Mario and Zelda games.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 07:59 PM

It's the question I asked to begin the discussion which is the only question I want answered. Nintendo exclusive may be a solution to a specific problem, but that's still doesn't tie back to the original query.

 

I really don't get what you're saying here. You made a comment and I replied to it. Is it even necessary that you say "oh that's not the specific question I asked" if it's still directly relevant to something else you said in the same conversation? You can't make a comment and then tell me you didn't want it answered. That's not fair at all.
 

They also released Sonic Generations within a week of:
Modern Warfare 3.
Skyrim.
Battlefield 3.
Two Metal Gear releases.
Uncharted 3.

None of which came to Nintendo systems, and none of which Sega had to compete with in 2010. Better marketing extends beyond just running advertisements. It also includes not sending a product out to die sandwiched between all of biggest releases of the year. Smaller audiences nothing. Sega making Sonic exclusive to Nintendo isn't going to do them any good if they only release the games at the same time Nintendo releases Mario and Zelda games.

 

The audience of Sonic games is very similar to that of Mario and Zelda. They can quite happily co-exist when they share a publisher. But all of those games that Generations competed with are catering a totally different market; that's the dominant market on their respective systems.

Smaller audiences means a hell of a lot.

Also I'm getting really bored of this. I've explained what "the benefit if it continues even if Sega's fortunes improve and Sonic becomes a de facto Nintendo franchise" is already. I did that right away. Sorry if you don't care much for the answer. We can't really make arguments that are more certain for a fair while yet.

 

EDIT: I can't hide my edits.

 

EDIT 2: I'm out. I've said my part in this discussion. 


Edited by Blue Blood, 19 May 2013 - 08:19 PM.


#224 Tornado

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:26 PM

I really don't get what you're saying here. You made a comment and I replied to it. Is it even necessary that you say "oh that's not the specific question I asked" if it's still directly relevant to something else you said in the same conversation?


Because it's not really relevant. You're giving reasons why it's good now while selectively bolstering why it has been good in the past; and saying that if this deal goes well then that is good enough to justify the idea that it should be made official and permanent. I'm asking why it would continue to be good on the chance that those reasons no longer apply when it wasn't that long ago that they didn't.

5 years from now and Sega is swimming in money like it's 1993; plus they've got their mojo back. If that happened, why would they need to keep acting like they are Sega of 2013?

 

The audience of Sonic games is very similar to that of Mario and Zelda. They can quite happily co-exist when they share a publisher. But all of those games that Generations competed with are catering a totally different market; that's the dominant market on their respective systems.


They can't happily coexist if they come out at the same time and one of them has infinitely more market presence, especially not if they have the same audience. People have finite amounts of money in the holiday shopping season, and hundreds of things that they "have" to get. If Sega releases a Sonic game on the PS360 7 days away from half a dozen much bigger games, Sonic is going to lose out on sales because those games are going to soak up the money first. If Sega releases a Sonic game on the Wii U a week after a Zelda game comes out and a week before a Mario Kart game, Sonic is going to lose out on sales. If Sega is going to keep fucking up, Sega is going to keep fucking up regardless of which system it's on; so you can't argue that being on Nintendo only automatically means that they'll be better off just because the audiences are closer over the idea that maybe Sega should try to stop fucking up instead.


You're acting like people are predisposed against buying Sonic games on Sony/Microsoft systems, when the reality is much closer to how people are predisposed against buying Sonic games over other games that have more hype. Sonic as a series lost the ability to throw that kind of weight after Adventure 2.

 

Smaller audiences means a hell of a lot.


I never said otherwise. But you're going to tell me that Sonic's audience on the PS360 is so small that a Wii U title has a larger pool to draw from when there aren't 6 games releasing at practically the same time that Sega has to compete with; ignoring outright that Nintendo rarely has much in the way of competition because third parties rarely support them anyway?

 

Also I'm getting really bored of this. I've explained what "the benefit if it continues even if Sega's fortunes improve and Sonic becomes a de facto Nintendo franchise" is already. I did that right away. Sorry if you don't care much for the answer. We can't really make arguments that are more certain for a fair while yet.


I'm sorry, but this is pretty uncalled for. I'm not here to entertain you. I'm attempting to get an explanation behind a sentiment that multiple around here are now treating as a done deal. Nintendo + Sonic 4lyfe = Better than any alternatives. It's not my fault if the reasoning you're giving to justify the viewpoint doesn't actually answer the question that I'm asking when I try to figure out where it came from.

You say that arguments can't be made about the issue, but that goes both ways. The arguments are already being made; just in your favor instead. People are already acting like Sonic and Nintendo should be permanently tied up because it's a good idea, so why can't it be challenged?



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Posted 19 May 2013 - 09:42 PM

They can't happily coexist if they come out at the same time and one of them has infinitely more market presence, especially not if they have the same audience. People have finite amounts of money in the holiday shopping season, and hundreds of things that they "have" to get. If Sega releases a Sonic game on the PS360 7 days away from half a dozen much bigger games, Sonic is going to lose out on sales because those games are going to soak up the money first. If Sega releases a Sonic game on the Wii U a week after a Zelda game comes out and a week before a Mario Kart game, Sonic is going to lose out on sales. If Sega is going to keep fucking up, Sega is going to keep fucking up regardless of which system it's on; so you can't argue that being on Nintendo only automatically means that they'll be better off just because the audiences are closer over the idea that maybe Sega should try to stop fucking up instead.
 
 
You're acting like people are predisposed against buying Sonic games on Sony/Microsoft systems, when the reality is much closer to how people are predisposed against buying Sonic games over other games that have more hype. Sonic as a series lost the ability to throw that kind of weight after Adventure 2.

 
I would like to add Sonic Heroes. Best selling 3D Sonic game of all time, with the PS2 selling the most copies (although the game turned out mediocre which may have started the downfall). So it's not like Sonic has always sold better on Nintendo systems. But this is when Sonic was still respected as one of the top franchises by everyone and getting the similar hype to Skyrim and CoD.
 
Sonic has lost his rep with the releases of Shadow and '06, and gamers have generally moved on from Sonic saying he's dead. 
 
Sonic Generations is really the first good Sonic game that came out on Sony/Microsoft systems ever since Heroes, but it was released around games with far more hype and love. So it will not get any attention, especially with it competing with Uncharted 3 and MW3 within days.
 
And no one's going to preorder and gain hype by millions with Sonic Generations after the half good, half bad (but overall poor reception) Sonic Unleashed and them hearing about the bad Sonic & the Black Knight
 
I honestly don't know why Sega thought it was a good idea making the Lost World and the other unannounced game exclusive to Nintendo. Just when people are looking at Generations months after release and say "Hey, it's not a bad game at all! It's actually pretty good!" (This is the only other active forum I go to...)
 
As long the next Sonic game don't release around top games like Assassin's Creed, CoD and others where Sonic can be ignored, I'm pretty sure these PS/MS gamers will give Sonic another chance after Generations. And if it's another good game, his rep will build up.


Edited by Ming Ming Suzy, 20 May 2013 - 10:40 AM.


#226 Takkun

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

Crap!!!!!! Now i need to buy a wii-u damn it sega!



#227 SweeCrue

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

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And look at that sweet ride! Man. Why did we not get that in All-Stars Racing?



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:53 PM

Pre-Scourge Evil Sonic? :P

 

Also awwww, Mario's face...



#229 t0ms0nic

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:56 PM

And look at that sweet ride! Man. Why did we not get that in All-Stars Racing?

 

Oh come on, it isn't super-sweet enough that he has a pedal car that sounds like an engine because of how fast he pedals? D:



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 11:03 AM

With Sonic being an exclusive to Nintendo, I don't think I'll have much reason to buy a PS4 any time soon.  Not unless they do something meaningful with the Little Big Planet franchise.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 11:31 AM

I don't plan on buying any of the new consoles until at least the end of 2014. So, I'll be able to get Lost World and Sochi for cheap and get the third title when it comes out. I know it'll be hard to hold off of them, and being on here doesn't help, but I have missed out on so many Wii and PS3 games because of their prices, so I need to catch up before I buy another system.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 05:54 PM

With Platinum and Sonic on board, it's looking more attractive. Now I need another F-Zero and Starfox again...



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 05:09 AM

I think after the... well so so sales of generations, compare to the sales of Colors and Sonic Racing for the Wii U.... they see the money on Nintendo systems more to the Microsoft and Sony. I get it... people love Sonic on there systems because of the better engine and graphics but Sega needs the money to, and they will go to where they can make more. Sadly the fanbase on the other systems do not like Sonic as much. Will always be that way.



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:37 AM

This is interesting (and I don't know if it's new, but...)

 

The german Press release of Sonic Lost World by Nintendo states:

 

Heute enthüllten sie weitere Details zum zweiten von insgesamt drei Titeln, die die beiden Videospielunternehmen exklusiv für Wii U und Nintendo 3DS herausbringen werden.

 

 Ale drei Spiele erscheinen noch in diesem Jahr.

Translation: Today, they (Sega) revealed further details of the second of three titles, which the two companies will release exclusively on Wii U and 3DS.  All three games will be released this year.

 

This year, huh? So...could it really be the rumored Mario & Sonic Racing game, or is it just a port?

 

(Source, btw: https://www.spindash...ost-world/6554/ )



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:53 AM

Or a digital title. Or something completely different.

Also, it could very well be referring to within this fiscal year.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:41 AM

This is interesting (and I don't know if it's new, but...)

 

The german Press release of Sonic Lost World by Nintendo states:

 

 

 

Translation: Today, they (Sega) revealed further details of the second of three titles, which the two companies will release exclusively on Wii U and 3DS.  All three games will be released this year.

 

This year, huh? So...could it really be the rumored Mario & Sonic Racing game, or is it just a port?

 

(Source, btw: https://www.spindash...ost-world/6554/ )

News'd.

http://www.sonicstad...ming-this-year/

 

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:59 AM

Well, you're in the UK, aren't you?

 

As far as I know, it's constantly on sale there.

 

You think being on sale means that it's cheap?

 

You are clearly not familiar with the UK.



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 11:13 AM

That's very, very exciting! It does beg the question as to what the third game may be then. If it's this calendar year, it couldn't possible be another retail game. They'd be cannibalising sales of Lost World by over saturating the market with Sonic games. It could very well be a download title instead. Although if it's this fiscal year then it could be anything. 

 

It's interesting to see that this partnership with Nintendo could be over so soon too. 



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 11:16 AM

I thought M & S was getting released next year? Maybe by the end of the fiscal year?

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 11:31 AM

I thought M & S was getting released next year? Maybe by the end of the fiscal year?

 

The console versions at least are always released the year before the Olympics take place.






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