Sonic Speed Tiers

[GUILD]

Alright, my take on Speed Tiers (includes non-game characters)

 

 

I'll just somewhat jack your template here ^^

 

I don't wanna get into too much so I'll just stick with the game characters. I'm going by running speed, or speed via just raw physical muscle exertion and capability as opposed to energy manipulation and stuff like Silver. All based on performance in games in addition to speculation based on character.

 

Top

• Sonic > Metal Sonic > Shadow

Top-Mid

• Blaze/Tails > Amy/Espio People may like to use the wall jump in Heroes as the tiebreaker since Amy couldn't do it, but they forget that Espio has Ninja Weapons/Is a ninja. This or the fact that he's a chameleon? SEGA occasionally attributes multiple animal characteristics to respective characters so...maybe this is a case of that lol? :/  Hence why he just freaking sits there on the wall while Sonic and Shadow fall. We know this bc Sonic and Shadow are faster than him, but they only have a second or two before gravity catches up with them. That pretty much seals the deal that him sticking to the wall extensively isn't at all speed related. Ppl say "well he still did it." But who's to say the ninja tools aren't the only reason he's on the wall instead of following Amy's lead at all? All he has to do is touch the wall after all and boom, flcik of the wrist and he sticks on the wall. You can't tell the difference. Amy can touch the wall too. We know this, but unlike Espio, she doesn't have a means of staying there. Who's to say what would happen if Espio was in the same shoes? So yes, while one could argue that Espio is still fast enough to do the same thing Sonic and Shadow do and only uses is Ninja Tools/Skills as an added bonus, there is no evidence whatsoever for this standpoint and thus we're at a wall. The only way to confirm this as a tiebreaker would be to have him do the jump without the ninja tools or whatever else and we'd see whether he pulls an Amy or a Sonic and Shadow. But we can't do that so the only thing we know for now is that they're at equals. That is, Espio is at least as fast as Amy.

Mid

• Playable characters (including the likes of Chaos and Tikal in SA2B and Runners) not specified elsewhere on this list such as Silver, Cream, Cheese, Rouge, Omega, Knuckles, the Babylon Rouges, Big etc. etc. Even the Chao. This tier is so vague because we haven't really seen the speed of these characters displayed against each other to a fair and equal extent. Knuckles and Cream have had the most material by far but we still haven't seen enough of them in contrast to the other characters on those same terms, scenarios and platforms.

Bottom-Mid

• The Zeti

Bottom

• Eggman

Edited November 28, 2015 by GUILD

[Muscles Maximum]

Espio can stick to walls because he's a chameleon, he's been doing that since Chaotix and he wasn't a ninja in that game.

Though I generally agree with your top 7 ; )

[GUILD]

Espio can stick to walls because he's a chameleon, he's been doing that since Chaotix and he wasn't a ninja in that game.

Though I generally agree with your top 7 ; )

Tanks. Pretty sure he was tho lol.. I mean I dunno why of all things they would suddenly decide to make Espio a ninja lol and not have that be the case in the other games? I mean it wouldn't be that big of a deal xD I guess either way though nothing really changes. I still make the exact same point. At any rate, thanks man.

[Sparky]

Espio is a ninja, why wouldn't he be able to do the Triangle Jump?

[GUILD]

Espio is a ninja, why wouldn't he be able to do the Triangle Jump?

Sorry?

 

I'm just really confused lol.. xD Maybe you missed the point? I figure you're asking a question to something that I've actually already explicitly said, meanwhile entirely missing the point? Or maybe you were just concurring with me? Sorry (again) , what exactly are you replying to?

[Sparky]

Sorry?

 

I'm just really confused lol.. xD Maybe you missed the point? I figure you're asking a question to something that I've actually already explicitly said, meanwhile entirely missing the point? Or maybe you were just concurring with me? Sorry (again) , what exactly are you replying to?

I'm seeing something about Espio's ninja stuff being reason he wouldn't naturally have the agility and speed to do a Triangle Jump like Sonic and Shadow. That doesn't make sense to me. 

[GUILD]

I'm seeing something about Espio's ninja stuff being reason he wouldn't naturally have the agility and speed to do a Triangle Jump like Sonic and Shadow. That doesn't make sense to me. 

Doesn'tmake sense to me either lol. That's not what was being said. We were talking about the triangle jump being a tie breaker in speed between Amy and Espio since Amy couldnt do it and the rebuttal to that argument we were bringing up was that Espio is sticking to the wall bc he is a ninja/chameleon (this is clear as he stays to the wall indefinitely as opposed to the real fastest characters who cant. So, who's to say that ninja/chameleon attributes aren't the ONLY reason he is sticking to the wall. Whos to say that without them, he wouldn't do the same thing Amy does? That is, touching the wall, but then falling). You then said, "Espio is a ninja, why wouldn't he be able to do the Triangle Jump?which was just kinda like, "wat?" 

[Your Vest Friend]

Espio wasn't a ninja in Chaotix, but Hoshino saw him as having a samurai-like conduct, which is what inspired him to change Espio into one. Personally, I'd say he was faster than Amy, but not to the extent of specialist speedsters like Sonic or Blaze. I also think modern Tails would actually be slower.

[Muscles Maximum]

Espio in general is such an interesting case. In one of the Mario & Sonic games, we learn he loves to train and he does every chance he gets, and in the older Sonic comics the Chaotix members were rated from a scale of 1 to 10 in their speed and strength stats. Espio was ranked the highest overall. Obviously Vector is stronger than Espio so these shouldn't be taken very seriously, it's interesting nonetheless. 

I'd really love to see what Espio's really capable of some day.

[Shadowlax]

Edgy observations. 

 

Isn't technically speaking despite sonic's fastness, shadow's the fastest thing in the universe because he can, at will, teleport. Which is faster... than anything in the universe? And Stop time, because in the stopped time, he would be moving faster than time itself. Or Are we making special distinctions. Does speed even matter when you can will yourself out of reality and the time stream? Should we even include shadow in these debates on that notion? Because every time someone says " sonic can move faster" the counter argument is shadow's powers. To which sonic doesn't really have anything like that amymore, and when he did it wasn't as good. I guess its sort of like asking who's the strongest and then someone remembering Silver can just lift things with his mind, making that whole conversation irrelevant. Because what does strength mean, when you have folks who can lift things without strength. 

Speed is distance traveled over time. When the character makes the distance ( or space rather) , and the time part irrelevant? Then why include them in the discussion?

 

 

Edited November 30, 2015 by Shadowlax

[GUILD]

Edgy observations. 

 

Isn't technically speaking despite sonic's fastness, shadow's the fastest thing in the universe because he can, at will, teleport. Which is faster... than anything in the universe? And Stop time, because in the stopped time, he would be moving faster than time itself. Or Are we making special distinctions. Does speed even matter when you can will yourself out of reality and the time stream? Should we even include shadow in these debates on that notion? Because every time someone says " sonic can move faster" the counter argument is shadow's powers. To which sonic doesn't really have anything like that amymore, and when he did it wasn't as good. I guess its sort of like asking who's the strongest and then someone remembering Silver can just lift things with his mind, making that whole conversation irrelevant. Because what does strength mean, when you have folks who can lift things without strength. 

Speed is distance traveled over time. When the character makes the distance ( or space rather) , and the time part irrelevant? Then why include them in the discussion?

 

 

Pretty sure the thread is "fastest Sonic characters", not "who can get from one place to the other the fastest."

 

That's like saying "Which is the fastest land animal." Everyone says "The cheetah." but there's another guy who says, "I disagree. It's the goddamn turtle. See, if I shoot that sucker out of a cannon or I strap it to a nuke and send it half-way around the world, he'll have set a whole new standard." It's kinda blatantly missing the point. xD It's not as if Shadow's only means of moving his body or being mobile is chaos control lol. We can still include him in the discussion haha

[Shadowlax]

But that's what that entails. Because if we are talking about sonic's speed, and espio's ninja abilities, those are something they were born with. Or trained to obtain, and while I can't say shadow's circumstances are the most natural , he is organic and these are his abilities. And I'm a fan of shadow, I don't hate the guy at all . But, it doesn't seem... right?Like, i'll be the first to proclaim that shadow is the coolest and defend the guy but, when the guy defeats the purpose of speed, by definition. By the formula of speed , when the guy's powers is above the concept of speed, is it fair to include him? Yeah shadow can run but, that's what only a portion of what he can do , so why would we hold that one character with that handicap? Should sonic not be counted at full speed, should espio forget his ninja  abilities? No because sonic's abilities are what you are arguing here. And shadow's abilities allow him to completely throw away the concept of speed, moving faster that speed itself. His time and space based teleportation distorting reality to reposition himself in space time. Completely ignoring Distance over time, he didn't " travel" he exists there now. It was instant, and as far as his time abilities go, time stop allows him to move faster than time itself in that instance. And considering Time is literally one of the only two main components of d/t=speed. He's thrown speed out of the window. Shadow is a part of a trio of sonic characters ,with blaze and silver who's abilities in some aspect outclass everyone on the roster. By rendering other peoples abilities irrelevant.

You use the example of a cheetah and a turtle but that's not the same. A more apt comparison, was you were talking about the worlds fastest animal. And teleporting hedgehogs were just discovered by scientists, just now and they can teleport across the planet in a blink. Yeah, that's technically the fastest thing, but the argument seems to be about physical exertion. While yes shadow's powers do use energy. And how much and how little we don't seem to know, but at least looking at it. The amount of energy shadow seems to need to teleport seems minuscule in the grand scheme of things and in comparison to sonic, considering he does it, and learned how to do it with out having to use chaos emeralds, and can teleport seemingly great distances. And while I don't know if we are counting the comics, the comics have made mention post and pre reboot that shadow seems to have a hell of a lot more energy and endurance than a lot of folks, most recently knuckles commenting on despite shadow having been in a series of fights appeared to have kept fighting no problem and knuckles got tuckered out fighting shadow, meaning that shadow could have kept fighting... and would have won. Were talking about a guy who breaks time on a dime, and doesn't break a sweat doing it. I just don't think that's fair. 

Edited November 30, 2015 by Shadowlax

[Nepenthe]

If you are moving, speed is part of that equation. To take warping out of it because it causes you to travel impossibly fast is drawing an arbitrary line in a series where only a few characters are already running at Mach 1.

This topic also isn't really about fairness. It asks you to rank the characters based on speed. If you're throwing powers into the mix versus just straight running, then you can conclude that Shadow is technically the fastest.

[Weh]

Obviously Eggman's the fastest. I know like four other people already said this but it bears repeating. Sonic has yet to beat Eggman in a footrace. Take Eggman out of the Egg mobile and he'll kick Sonic's ass every time.

Anyway, really, I think Sonic's definitely the speediest out of everyone (that's kind of his defining character trait, eh?), with Metal and Shadow both being very close. As for everyone else, it's hard to say. Character speeds have varied wildly between games, and half the time they're just as fast as Sonic for the sake of the gameplay. I'm racking my brain trying to rank everyone else based on speed, but frankly, I have no idea. I keep going back and forth like "Well, Tails probably isn't super close to being as fast as Sonic. ...But, he has to keep up with him somehow. Hmm. Well Silver's slow as heck in 06, so-- but, wait, he doesn't seem to have any trouble keeping up with Sonic in Generations. Phooey."

I don't think even Sega knows how fast these characters are.

But really though Eggman's the fastest, suck it Sonic.

[Salamander]

The question of whether to count Shadow's powers as part of his speed has a lot of implications.  Sonic's speed has never been presented as a superpower or magic or Chaos-influenced or anything like that, he can simply run really fast, in the same way that Tails can fly by twirling his tails.  That would imply that, if we're talking about a comparison to Sonic, we're looking at simple running speed unaided by technology or magic; the question, then, is whether Shadow's powers count as "unaided."  If we qualify Shadow's powers, well, Sonic can also use Chaos Control, so should we count his ability to teleport as well?  And what are the limits of their teleporting powers?  Can they warp an unlimited distance?  Can they perform consecutive jumps perpetually?  Ask Sonic to run a hundred miles, a thousand, a million, and Shadow to warp it.  Can he make that jump, or make enough individual jumps, to cover the entire distance, or at some point does Shadow have to stop warping and start running?  And for that matter, is warping more tiring than just plain running?  Shadow runs a lot of the time, which would seem to indicate his warping ability isn't viable for long-range, long-term movement, or else he'd never run, he'd just warp everywhere - but even then, it's not clear what his actual speed is, as it's boosted by the technology of his hover shoes.

Per the hover shoes caveat, it's also not clear if Metal Sonic really counts as "fast" on the same level, either.  If we're talking about the "fastest thing alive," well, Metal Sonic isn't alive, and once you start counting machines, where do you stop?  Does someone become the fastest thing alive because they travelled on a jet plane?  Or an Extreme Gear?  What about a mechanical teleporter, or a magical one?  While we're at it, it's unclear if Blaze's speed has a jet-boost element from her fire powers, too.

Personally, it looks to me like Sonic is just plain naturally the fastest - and in order to make up the distance, everyone else has to have some cheat or other.  Shadow has hover shoes and Chaos powers; Blaze has fire powers; Metal Sonic is a machine.

[Shadowlax]

As far somncs speed goes, it kinda has been presented as his power. Its his thing he goes fast. Just because wally west isnt shooting lazer eye beams , doesnt mean his speee isnt special or a power. But if you did, and reasonbly so, want to argue that sonics abnormalities in the speed department wasn't  a special power, then why is shadows power special? Its something he was "born with" yeah? Whats the difference? I think those purposefully exclusionary arguments going nowhere. 

 

I made a comparison to silver earlier, i think. Its like talking about feats of strength, bringing up the usual suspects, and then silver. Who on a technical level yes lifts the most mass with the least physical exertion, and its natural. But in a way defeats the purpose of the stregnth conversation. Do you exclude them? Put them in a special category? I think the 2nd one might work. Like a dual title thing? 

Its just odd, and didnt mention the cody travers-esque, shadow actually has been handicapping himself. And that's another dynamic.

This is fun to think about

[Ripe]

Honestly, only ones who have at least some short of consistency to their speeds seems to be Sonic, Metal Sonic, Shadow and Blaze. Other characters are either fast or slow regarding how it benefits SEGA.

And how Sonic is fast? Because Chaos energy, chaos energy is reason to everything.

Edited November 30, 2015 by RipeFIN

[Shadowlax]

Honestly, only ones who have at least some short of consistency to their speeds seems to be Sonic, Metal Sonic, Shadow and Blaze. Other characters are either fast or slow regarding how it benefits SEGA.

And how Sonic is fast? Because Chaos energy, chaos energy is reason to everything.

Sonic's speed is something he can do, he can go fast with or with out chaos emeralds. Chaos emeralds make him go faster. Shadow's move set no longer really requires chaos emeralds at all. To the degree in which sega is totally ok with letting shadow be shadow in sonic boom with out chaos emeralds and being able to just do stuff. ( which is what I prefer by the way, his personality in that show is kinda shitty though).. The only power needing chaos emerald ... seemingly still is time stop, but even then that hasn't been elaborated on in years, and to be quite honest I could totally see a gameplay mechanic in a future game , where you don't need chaos emeralds, it just uses meter or something. But that's theory crafting. Though not so much if we mention what the inhibitor rings are? But that's still theory crafting
 

[Sparky]

Doesn'tmake sense to me either lol. That's not what was being said. We were talking about the triangle jump being a tie breaker in speed between Amy and Espio since Amy couldnt do it and the rebuttal to that argument we were bringing up was that Espio is sticking to the wall bc he is a ninja/chameleon (this is clear as he stays to the wall indefinitely as opposed to the real fastest characters who cant. So, who's to say that ninja/chameleon attributes aren't the ONLY reason he is sticking to the wall. Whos to say that without them, he wouldn't do the same thing Amy does? That is, touching the wall, but then falling). You then said, "Espio is a ninja, why wouldn't he be able to do the Triangle Jump?which was just kinda like, "wat?" 

I mean, being a skilled ninja automatically gives him the speed and agility necessary to pull off the technique, regardless of his chameleon wall crawling.

[Darth InVaders]

Sonic's speed is something he can do, he can go fast with or with out chaos emeralds. Chaos emeralds make him go faster. Shadow's move set no longer really requires chaos emeralds at all. To the degree in which sega is totally ok with letting shadow be shadow in sonic boom with out chaos emeralds and being able to just do stuff. ( which is what I prefer by the way, his personality in that show is kinda shitty though).. The only power needing chaos emerald ... seemingly still is time stop, but even then that hasn't been elaborated on in years, and to be quite honest I could totally see a gameplay mechanic in a future game , where you don't need chaos emeralds, it just uses meter or something. But that's theory crafting. Though not so much if we mention what the inhibitor rings are? But that's still theory crafting
 

Sonic Boom is a different canon universe from the original Sonic games to which the original Shadow belongs- the original Shadow requires a Chaos Emerald to be at least close by to draw power from to use Chaos Control - the completely unrelated Boom!Shadow does not change this anymore than the also unrelated Archie!Shadow

takasi Iizuka - not only the current head of Sonic Team but also the person most responsible for creating Shadow - confirmed Shadow's need for a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Control at the 2013 Sonic Boom convention. So if the person with all the power and who is the creator of a character does not intend a change like this then there is no change, regardless of any misunderstandings by fans, mistakes by animators, or story and gameplay segregation 

to quote Iizuka "if he [Shadow] doesn't have a Chaos Emerald, he cannot use Chaos Control"

See Iizuka say it for yourself @41:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzxRoIX4QU

Edited November 30, 2015 by Darth InVaders

[Shadowlax]

Sonic Boom is a different canon universe from the original Sonic games to which the original Shadow belongs- the original Shadow requires a Chaos Emerald to be at least close by to draw power from to use Chaos Control - the completely unrelated Boom!Shadow does not change this anymore than the also unrelated Archie!Shadow

takasi Iizuka - not only the current head of Sonic Team but also the person most responsible for creating Shadow - confirmed Shadow's need for a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Control at the 2013 Sonic Boom convention. So if the person with all the power and who is the creator of a character does not intend a change like this then there is no change, regardless of any misunderstandings by fans, mistakes by animators, or story and gameplay segregation 

to quote Iizuka "if he [Shadow] doesn't have a Chaos Emerald, he cannot use Chaos Control"

See Iizuka say it for yourself @41:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzxRoIX4QU

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 considering shadow in multiple games just does... chaos control stuff by himself, i'm going to take that with salt and go by what the games do. Also just a tid bit on information, from what I understand shadow's use is heavily moderated. In the comic, the last one he was in was actually more recent than 2013, shadow uses everything but time stop, nowhere near any chaos emeralds.  A matter of fact , they were the farthest they could be from chaos emeralds.... outer space. Since the comics are kinda held to strict character guildelines now, uh, pretty sure he doesn't really need anything besides an attempt to stop time, and I can honestly see them going back on that. One could make the argument that shadow's power is so large that his range for drawing power from the emeralds is now massive, but then the question would be why can't stop time by himself. What I think it is is that " chaos control " now means " time stop"  and the rest of of the stuff that fell under chaos control or chaos control abilities are now just things that shadow can do. So there is definitely evidence to the contrary, if word was law... well those we would be following multiple completely different and all somewhat inaccurate and ever changing descriptions of sonic characters like the bible, and that..instead of feeling it out for yourself. The japanese site says shadow still hates humans, thing change. Unless you meant the time stop stuff the whole time... then this entire paragraph was pointless. Then yeah you are in fact correct and I was never arguing that. 

 

Edited December 1, 2015 by Shadowlax

[GUILD]

I mean, being a skilled ninja automatically gives him the speed and agility necessary to pull off the technique, regardless of his chameleon wall crawling.

You're assuming that though lol. Ninja =/= "automatically faster than Amy Rose". That's not a definition or something that we can actually judge lol. What we can say that being a ninja allows him to stick to walls just about indefinitely though.

[GUILD]

But that's what that entails. Because if we are talking about sonic's speed, and espio's ninja abilities, those are something they were born with. Or trained to obtain, and while I can't say shadow's circumstances are the most natural , he is organic and these are his abilities.

How is that what that entails? A turtle isn't born with a rocket launcher. My point being made there was that while yes, it can get him from point a to b quickly, it's not an appropriate thing to include in the question, but we can still include the turtle in the discussion. Yes, those are Shadow's organic abilities and yes, with the turtle, it is moving the fastest, but what I'm saying is that the point of the question is being missed with those types of answers.

And I'm a fan of shadow, I don't hate the guy at all . But, it doesn't seem... right?Like, i'll be the first to proclaim that shadow is the coolest and defend the guy but, when the guy defeats the purpose of speed, by definition. By the formula of speed , when the guy's powers is above the concept of speed, is it fair to include him?

Speed is distance over time. So it's the distance he crosses divided by the time in took him to get there. His using Chaos Control isn't being included in the question BECAUSSEEEE...that's not the type of question this is anymore than it'd be if someone sai "what's two plus two" and you said "blue". He's not "above the concept of speed". It's a different concept all together. It's distorting space time in order to make the place A that a person is "here", now over "here" at place B by means outside of the realm of physically exerting oneself in order to move from A to B in any traditional sense. Hence "warping time and space." That said, we can still include him in the question bc we know that he still can demonstrate speed.

Yeah shadow can run but, that's what only a portion of what he can do , so why would we hold that one character with that handicap? Should sonic not be counted at full speed, should espio forget his ninja  abilities? No because sonic's abilities are what you are arguing here. And shadow's abilities allow him to completely throw away the concept of speed, moving faster that speed itself. His time and space based teleportation distorting reality to reposition himself in space time.

See? RIGHT HERE you fckinghave it...so... Yeah that's not "speed". I guess now you just have to get that is let that sink in lol.. Also what do you mean handicap? This isn't a race to the death where we're all trying to be fair in how one person gets from point A to B. We're just asking who has the greatest speed. The same way someone would ask "2+2". "Blue" just isn't applicable lol.

Completely ignoring Distance over time, he didn't " travel" he exists there now. It was instant, and as far as his time abilities go, time stop allows him to move faster than time itself in that instance. And considering Time is literally one of the only two main components of d/t=speed. He's thrown speed out of the window. Shadow is a part of a trio of sonic characters ,with blaze and silver who's abilities in some aspect outclass everyone on the roster. By rendering other peoples abilities irrelevant.

The fact that you're forgetting Shadow's by far not the only one who can use CC or time manipulation aside, I feel as though you're making my point somewhat.

You use the example of a cheetah and a turtle but that's not the same. A more apt comparison, was you were talking about the worlds fastest animal. And teleporting hedgehogs were just discovered by scientists, just now and they can teleport across the planet in a blink. Yeah, that's technically the fastest thing, but the argument seems to be about physical exertion. While yes shadow's powers do use energy. And how much and how little we don't seem to know, but at least looking at it. The amount of energy shadow seems to need to teleport seems minuscule in the grand scheme of things and in comparison to sonic, considering he does it, and learned how to do it with out having to use chaos emeralds, and can teleport seemingly great distances. And while I don't know if we are counting the comics, the comics have made mention post and pre reboot that shadow seems to have a hell of a lot more energy and endurance than a lot of folks, most recently knuckles commenting on despite shadow having been in a series of fights appeared to have kept fighting no problem and knuckles got tuckered out fighting shadow, meaning that shadow could have kept fighting... and would have won. Were talking about a guy who breaks time on a dime, and doesn't break a sweat doing it. I just don't think that's fair.

It's not about "physical exertion". It's about "speed on the same grounds". From that point forward however, it's up to the posters here to define what that goes in tandem with whether speed with physical exertion or whatever other limitations. Speed is the primary point here though, so regardless of wherever anyone wants move past that, Chaos Control was never truly part of the argument. Of course, the main point to make to you here though, is that just bc CC can't be included, doesn't mean Shadow can't. This is bc, like I said, CC isn't Shadow's only mode of transportation. He can also run. Speed is the only defining factor there.  Like you yourself have acknowledge multiple times over now, CC isn't a factor in this. Again, this is just a question asking who are the fastest Sonic characters. Nothing else. That is, just who are the Sonic characters "with the most speed". Not even "What would be the rankings in a race if they all really wanted to win." Just "Who are the fastest/ones with the most speed." Also I hear you singing two different tunes on this page from "not fair. shadow shouldn't be included. not real speed." to "not fair. he should be included. it's his natural ability". What's up?

SLIGHTLY OFFTOPIC: Of course, all this aside, CC is not automatically the fastest mode of transportation, regardless of how quickly Shadow decides where he wants to go and activates the technique. As he can't be in two places at the same time, there is a time lapse between the moment at which he was at point A and B lol, no matter how minuscule. So, seeing as CC, regardless of its methods and nature, does TAKE TIME to get the user from point A to B, who's to say that something or someone else can't get from point A to B even faster than that? Teleportation isn't a be all end all because as long as something still takes time to complete, there is a margin for something else to be faster than it.

 

 

If you are moving, speed is part of that equation. To take warping out of it because it causes you to travel impossibly fast is drawing an arbitrary line in a series where only a few characters are already running at Mach 1.

This topic also isn't really about fairness. It asks you to rank the characters based on speed. If you're throwing powers into the mix versus just straight running, then you can conclude that Shadow is technically the fastest.

Nice point, but pretty sure we've already established that he's "warping time and space" lol. He's not "moving" anywhere.

 

 

[Nepenthe]

Nice point, but pretty sure we've already established that he's "warping time and space" lol. He's not "moving" anywhere.

That's a pretty vague qualifier. Warping time and space could be simply creating a temporary wormhole, which still involves moving through it to get from point A to point B, or it could be that he's moving so fast on a molecular level that time and space are warped as a result of his movement. You instead would have to establish that he's literally folding the universe in on himself and just standing there somehow.

[Your Vest Friend]

What we can say that being a ninja allows him to stick to walls just about indefinitely though.

No, that's from his species, he did that before he was remade into a ninja.

His ninja attributes probably mostly boost stats like agility and athleticism.