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[y cant solkia crawl]

He is trying to justify Rape, RAPE You're telling me we shouldn't be angry that he's trying to blame one of the most offensive crimes in history, think about what you're saying.

I'm saying you don't need to lose your shit because someone said something on the internet :U

[Wolfy]

Guys, let's cool our heads, seriously. Go outside, go to the MLP topic, I don't care, it's getting pretty crazy in here and it's only going to end badly.

[VizardJeffhog]

I think Eternal got the idea now, but I think we railed on him for a bit longer than we would've liked...

With that, I leave this.

[Red Cap-Blue Spikes]

He is defending rape.

And it's not cool that he is. Buuut, I don't think he should be called a piece of shit left and right because he has a really, really stupid opinion.

Maybe I'm just too used to seeing highly offensive opinions on the internet, because his posts really didn't offend me. And I know people that have been raped. (Not saying I don't CARE about people who've gone through that. I just don't care about peoples opinions all that much)

Edited by Red Cap-Blue Spikes, 06 April 2012 - 02:38 AM.

[Gaming Misfit]

This is why these topics are a bad idea in the first place.

[Wolfy]

So instead of criticizing how we (like all of us members in general) handle mature topics and that we usually can't do them, how about we get back on topic sensible so I don't have to press that magic lock button, D;?

EDIT: Or read Sean's post below, it's better, harder, and drills it into your face better LOL.

[Sean]

This is why these topics are a bad idea in the first place.

Ugh, do you guys understand just how much of a fucking privilege it is that we actually let you discuss topics about religion, abortion, and politics (and at one point we even had topics on sex, but that got out of hand and those days are gone)? There are plenty of boards out there that ban such controversial discussion, but it's your guys' damn problem that stupid shit like this happens.

You could discuss this in a civil manner but I guess you guys think that that can't be the case.

[Gaming Misfit]

The post was based entirely on a focus of the members making the same mistakes. I'm not questioning what's allowed at SSMB in any way... O.o

Geez.

*leaves thread a bit freaked out now*

Edited by Christopher, 06 April 2012 - 02:46 AM.

[Wolfy]

Please note I wasn't even in any way relating that to the staff; in fact I was agreeing with you that it's our own faults.

*leaves thread a bit weirded out now*

Oh I know, I'm really saying that just pointing out how "we" (as in you members, and including us too, we're faults of it at times as well), doesn't do anything other than escalate more problems, and it's just better to get back to topic's main stage so to say, XD. So come back!

So how about dems abortions guys? I like abort buttons, like big red ones that a robotic announcer says "ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!" in a factory or lab.

[Jayhawker30]

My genes are legendary.

Aborting a child of mine would not only be a crime to him/her, but to humanity as a whole.

[Nepenthe]

One thing I've never understood about that mild pro-lifers is that they tell women to think long and hard about the consequences of having an abortion before deciding to have one. Do they think significant numbers of women are skipping into abortion clinics and treating the decision like they're torn between two pairs of shoes? I don't know; there seems like an insinuation that women treat the issue without the seriousness it deserves and are ignorant about it, despite the fact that they're the ones having the procedure.

[Joshua]

As far as current events go in the abortion debate, numerous laws are being passed by state governments to fight abortion proceedings. Unfortunately, these bills are seemingly more anti-women than they are educating women and men about responsible sex and abortions, which many believe would reduce the number of abortions more than physical action, due to their effects and wording. I'll list some of the more recent stuff that's happened, so we are up to date on current events (I apologize if the links I'm providing are from blatantly biased sites, but I have yet to find a site that has these topics without having bias as well.)

- Bills that would require women to have a transvaginal ultrasound if they seek an abortion procedure have been introduced to, and some passed by, numerous states. The common argument on these ultrasound bills is that, by definition, it is no different than rape; there's also some issue with the transvaginal ultrasound having no medical benefit whatsoever. Some of these bills have been edited from the original form to include a notice that women can choose not to have this ultrasound. In many of these bills, a 24-hour waiting period after the ultrasound is required before the process can continue.

- http://www.usatoday....hood/53483484/1 - Governor Rick Perry recently defunded Planned Parenthood - as in, cut off all Medicaid funds from the program - in an effort to prevent abortions. Unfortunately, this also means that roughly 130,000 women in Texas are now without medical insurance, as PP was their insurance provider, regardless of whether they were seeking abortions or not. As per Medicaid's legal boundaries (which, incidentally, does not donate fundings to institutions specifically for abortion-related activities), the Obama administration had no choice but to block Medicaid funding to Texas; In true Rick Perry fashion, the governor is trying to sue the administration by claiming his 10th Amendment rights were opposed. It is not clear how Perry actually plans to cover these now uninsured women, but he said he will get the estimated $30 million from somewhere.

- http://azcapitoltime...rongful-births/ - Arizona is trying to pass a law that would grant doctors immunity to "wrongful birth" lawsuits; "wrongful births" are those where the child is born with a condition that the doctor was supposed to inform the mother about, but chose not to do so. Effectively, this would allow doctors to lie to women about her health and the fetus's health, if it meant saving it from abortion.

- http://www.addicting...al-ultrasounds/ - Arizona is also the latest state to impose a time limit on when abortions are legal. The law imposes a limit at 18 weeks, a full 6 weeks before several medical professionals agree where viability begins.

- http://www.huffingto..._n_1404705.html - Mississippi - who last year rejected a personhood bill through Mississippian voter elections - is trying to pass a bill, through closed doors, that would require "all physicians who perform abortions have admitting privileges at a local hospital and be board certified in obstetrics and gynecology." Hospitals have full rights to deny admitting privileges to doctors, so this indirectly attempts to close down the abortion clinics in the state.

Edited by Modern Tom, 06 April 2012 - 03:24 AM.

[Eternal Xtreme]

No I am saying that is rape and the fact that you are defending it in any way makes you a piece of shit.

Wait what? How the hell am I defending rape? In no way did I say rape was okay. I was saying.........

*sees mods post*

I'm done. Sorry if I started anything.

I wouldn't sweat it much, you're cool yo, =D -Wolfy

[Jayhawker30]

Don't sweat it Eternal. I knew what you were trying to say.

You have to work on how you word things like that, though. Make sure that, when you put your thoughts out there, that you absolve any and all doubt of what your message's true intentions might actually be. Doing so is imperative when discussing such... touchy things.

Edited by Jayhawker30, 06 April 2012 - 03:52 AM.

[Patticus]

@Modern Tom: It's apalling that these people believe they have a right to ride over democratic and legal process. They think their opinion matters more than anyone elses, and they don't have to abide by the usual rules of government. The arrogance is sickening.

Edit: Just um, just gonna sneak this in here:

Edited by Patticus, 06 April 2012 - 08:56 PM.

[Generations (Chaos Warp)]

I think Abortion is really up to the woman in question. I admit I am for it (What if the condom breaks during sex? What if the birth control fails? And of course the obvious one that caused a shitstorm in this topic) because of the accidents that can happen during sexual activity (even if you are being smart about it with birth control and all), but It's really up to the pregnant one.

[Joshua]

@Modern Tom: It's apalling that these people believe they have a right to ride over democratic and legal process. They think their opinion matters more than anyone elses, and they don't have to abide by the usual rules of government. The arrogance is sickening.

To be completely fair, these laws are being passed through in absolutely legal means. The only incidence of foul play up there is Perry's attempt to sue the Obama administration, as it implies that Perry could hypothetically take the Medicaid funds and use it for whatever the hell he wants, like granting the oil industries there boons, or even use the money to build a wing on his mansion. Medicaid is essentially a contract, and Perry has no clue on the conditions of the contract if he thinks he can cut Planned Parenthood off of Medicaid support and still expect to get funds.

As for the others though, they may seem heinous and reprehensible, but at the end of the day, regardless of a moral standpoint, they were passed through legally. Just chalk this up to the misfortune that the GOP is still in power.

[leave_nothing]

Not really pleasant dinner conversation but it's important to note the rare ineffectiveness in condoms and birth control and the necessity of having a worst-case scenario fallback.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

Hey, I got a question.

Exactly how are people educated over abortions? Wouldn't a class that helps detail these things ease the heat a bit? Sex Ed is kind of the same way, there a people who are so against it despite how educating them about it would likely benefit them. So while we would still get the irrational nut-jobs or paranoid people still arguing over this, wouldn't some degree of education in the schools ease the tension somewhat?

I remember writing a paper regarding stem-cell research as a freshmen, and part of what I found was that it was nothing but a bunch of cells instead of a fetus in the 3rd trimester as some extreme pro-lifers seem to think of it as. So that's why I'm asking this.

That's probably asking for too much. Tennessee has just made a bill that stirs up the whole controversy over evolution again, and the US in general seems to be getting increasingly stupid in these areas when they mix them in politics. How the hell have the Europeans dealt with this while we still have others keeping us in the dark?

Edited by ChaosSupremeSonic, 07 April 2012 - 12:26 PM.

[Mollfie]

I've already contributed to this thread a few page back, so I don't have much to add really. Just thought I would share this image because it has a very good point.


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