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UK General Election 2010: The Aftermath


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#1 pooshoes

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 02:16 PM

30 days from today, all UK citizens who have registered to vote will be given the opportunity to choose who they would like to lie, cheat and steal represent us for the next 5 years.

The run up to the election hasn't quite reached that annoying level of fever pitch yet. That comes when Peter Snow gets his sodding bar charts out.

So, who are you going to vote for?

I'll probably throw my vote away on the Lib Dems. My Consituency is staunchly Conservative (we have a Tory council), yet Labour have somehow managed to hold the seat for the past 13 years, so voting for anything other than Tory or Labour will be a waste.




That, or I'll spoil my ballot paper by drawing a massive cock on it.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 03:09 PM

Okay, I'm going to be the silly American who demands an explanation. Yeah thumbs down me as much as you want, I really am uninformed in this field and this is an honest question, so sue me. D8

I thought the Queen was at the top? Since when do you UK peeps vote in your queen/king? Unless this is for Parliament? Can you sorta break it down for me here?

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 03:15 PM

The monarchy has basically been a figurehead leadership since the end of the British Civil War in the... 1600s IIRC. Ostensibly the Queen performs certain acts (like the dissolution of parliament, which happened this morning) or makes the odd decision "on the advice of" parliament, but it's tradition more than anything else. The monarchy's role is more that of moral leaders and as a source of national pride.

A general election here is to vote in the 650 Members of Parliament (MPs) in the House of Commons where all the debating and law-deciding and shit goes on. There's one for each constituency which is decided on the basis of whoever gets the most votes wins. The only requirement to become a candidate is that you pay £500 to register and have the support of at least 10 voters; there's no requirement to be affiliated with a political party, though very few independents win a seat. Once it's over, if a particular party's members have won more than 50% of the seats between them, that party comes to power. Otherwise - which is a real possibility this time around - either multiple parties team up to create a coalition government, or the winning party comes to power in minority government. In the latter case, due to not having a majority they'd have no guarantee of being able to push policies in parliament, as they're decided through MP voting, so it can be difficult to actually get anything done.


I'm still reading through the parties' manifestos - not likely to be done soon. I'm concentrating on the main three right now, and while the Lib Dems' policies seem to make the most sense to me, they have a fair bit of "we'll reform this, and with the money we save we'll do this", which is a bit eeeeeeh in my opinion. The only other candidate here is for the English Democrats... and I haven't found much on their policies yet so I can't really say anything.

My constituency's a Labour stronghold btw. However, in '05, LD was in 2nd place and ahead of the rest by a long way (the Conservatives the last few elections haven't been popular at all in this neck of the woods, due to the miners' strike period, primarily), and with the Tories being their strongest for a long time it'll likely be pretty close.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 03:16 PM

Politics is almost entirely based on spin these days, one of the unfortunate side-effects of the Blair years and falling interest in how the country is run. Ministers know that hard facts and figures won't get the public out to vote for you, so you end up with your Camerons and your Osbournes heralding great change and fresh blood with nothing to back it up. For example, George Osbourne claiming public sector cuts would fund the NI reduction on the Chancellor's TV debate, cuts proposed initially by Labour that he had previously described as "fictional." Thankfully, he was called out on it by Cable.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 04:07 PM

Now that I'm 18 I finally get to vote - am I excited? Of course I'm not.

Why?

Because whoever gets in won't make a blind bit of difference, probably. All of the political parties seem to be as bad as each other (it seems to be a case of "who will be less of an utter cock-up?" rather than "who will put the great back in Great Britain?"), and a vote for anyone other than Labour or Conservative is pretty much a waste.

So who am I going to vote for? Bugger knows.

With great power comes great responsibility, and I don't really want to feel guilty that I've voted for a moron to run the country.

Which leaves my options fairly slim.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 04:57 PM

So in this election the entirety of Parliament is up for reelection, or did I misread what bromn said?

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 05:45 PM

So in this election the entirety of Parliament is up for reelection, or did I misread what bromn said?


Yes.

But the key point which is probably going to affect this election unless something major happens between now and May 6th. The winning party needs to have a good majority of the vote, otherwise Parliment will be a hung Parliment and no party will be in overall controll. If that happens then what would happen is that the party who has the most votes would most likely form a deal with some of the smaller parties to join them so they get the majority... this is quite a risky area when it goes to public as there will then be complaints like "Well we didn't vote for them!"

I have a feeling that a hung parliment is going to be likely, mainly due to the support that labour and the conservatives have right now and the increased numbers of independent candidates this year.

Mind you the local news is on right now and already I'm sick of the election coverage.

It'll be interesting to see how they do on the Tv Debates, first time that has happened. Mind you I have a feeling that Cameron and Clegg will come out the best from these, Brown just doesn't have the same energy as the others when it comes to debate. If you watch video of Brown at his best and Blair at his best, you really do see that Blair has the edge on Brown with that you.

Brown, Clegg, Cameron....

You could be Dorothy.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 05:53 PM

I don't like Cameron, and his mysterious policies that involve money coming from NO-WHERE! I'll be honest, I'm still not sure who to vote for, horrible as it sounds, as a student nearly every party bar the Lib-Dems hates us really, but as someone who'll be going into teaching, and hopefully entering research at a later point, I'm more worried about education policies, and especially Science. And currently no-one appeals for me for science >>;

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#9 Doctor MK

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 05:58 PM

Brown, Clegg, Cameron....


But which is better?

There's only one way to find out...

FIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!! :P

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 06:58 PM

Please, don't vote for Griffin. He's just a big load of KKKrap.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 06:59 PM

Please, don't vote for Griffin. He's just a big load of KKKrap.


It would take a very foolish individual to openly admit on here that they were going to vote that way.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 08:44 PM

I live in a constituency that where Tories and Lib Dems are almost neck and neck. Our local MP is Tory, but with any luck we'll have him out this time (:

I'll likely vote Lib Dems, although I'd pondered voting Labour just to keep Tory out but eh. Vote for what you believe in, eh? I guess I'll vote Lib Dem.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 08:54 PM

Since alot of the U.K. members seem to be quite profficient in American politics, I guess I'll check this periodically.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:03 PM

Since alot of the U.K. members seem to be quite profficient in American politics, I guess I'll check this periodically.

"When America sneezes. The rest of the world catches a cold"

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:22 PM

I'll probably vote Lib Dem, I'm not sure if I can vote for Bath people or not? I know I can vote for the people where my parents live because they sent me a thing. Where my parents live I always vote for whoever isn't Conservative because I HATE the Conservative MP. I've met him twice and he's a complete wanker.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 09:29 PM

I'm not too sure this time, I'll probably end up going for Labour.... because....

Conservatives: I simply think that if they get in, it'll be a disaster, I know that many people who seem to get interviewed right now on the news say "Oh the country is a disaster!" yadda yadda yadda... is it really? I mean really is it? The ecconomy is recovering, crime rates are down, when I look out of my window I don't see nor do I like being told that I'm apart of a 'broken society.' I don't trust them. Cameron is constantly undermining everyone thats not involved in his party who want to represent Britain, remember when Blair was tipped to be the head of the EU? That would have been great for us, but nope, Cameron starts a campaign to get him out before he's even there. I don't like their policies, I don't think many of camerons own party knows what they are.

Cameron himself, he likes to put himself on show, he used to be in PR, even since he's been the leader of the opposition he's constantly shown himself as this nice clean man who is trying to say "Trust me, I'm just like you!" But when it comes down to it, I don't think that they'll do the right thing, during the ecconomic recovery, they got everything wrong, everything they said that they would do just wouldn't have worked, you look at other countries in the EU that did that they said they would do and they're worse off. I just don't think that they're right for the role of government or that they'll do us good... yes they'll give us 'change' but I think the change they're proposing is wrong.

Lib Dem: The lib dems have a lot of good ideas... the problem is that I have to remember that a lot of them will not apply to me or very many people for a long period of time. They like to keep students happy... thats great... but the majority of students will have left education before their time in office is up and we have another election! Even if I were still a student and was just about to start uni, most of what they promise would not affect me, certainly not for very long. Another problem with them I have with them is that when it comes to foreign affairs, is there anyone in the Lib Dems, including the leader, that you would have confidence in when it came to dealing with aggressive foreign actions? Remember when Russian turned the gas off for a few countries in the west? Had Britain been one of those countries and we had the Lib Dems in charge, does anyone think that the current Lib Dem administration could have resolved that without a serious dent to our country?

It's the same with other things that they want to axe, they keep trying to slide in Trident missile systems here and there. Trident is expensive, yes very. They keep using it as an example of how they would save a fortune... And then I think, but what if we need it? Not so much as "Oh my we're at war and they're using nukes!" The world is a giant chess game, every country has a different piece. Think of the Cuban Missile Crisis, that was resolved by the US getting rid of their missiles in Turkey, but they had planned to do that anyway. Trident is our version of that, it's a tactical weapon, but not one that will most likely be used as an act so much as it'll be used as words. Mind you, if someone did start to give us jip, and the way various resources are going it wouldn't suprise me if it did happen. Trident would be one hell of a word to say to another countries foreign office.

Labour: Oh my... where to begin. The problen with Browns Labour is that he was hit with some of the worst set of luck anyone could get. Remember the terrorist attacks in Scotland? Then the London car bombs outside of Tiger Tiger? Then there was the floods, then we had this this and that, followed by the MPS expenses and the ecconomy? It all made us dislike Labour more and more... but are really any of those purely Labours fault? Yeah the MPs Expensives thing, they were all at it... All... as in ALL political parties. Lets be honest here, everyone of them were at it. But lets remember, we caught those guys who were behind the scotland attacks and the car nail bombs, the ecconomy has started to improve. In the last 10 years, especially in major cities we've seen A LOT of development, we have as a country moved forward.

The problem and this would have effected anyone in the role of government, due to the levels of spin we've got, pretty much anyone in power would look to be in the negative light. Being the party in power, and this would apply to any party in power, you can't judge them on what they will do so much as what they've done. Yeah it looks messy, but then you've got to think, had they not bailed out the banks, then we wouldn't be able to withdraw our money, if the banks went down, and many were close to doing that, we all go with them. They've caught and prevented some of the most dangerous criminals, the ecconomy is recovering. Aye, theres tons of shit that if I were them I would do differently, bankers Bonus' certainly they need to be capped... you can't can them otherwise all the banking talent goes from London... bye bye ecconomy. Iraq and Afghanistan certainly needs a big looking at. But when it comes down to it, they have actually done not a bad job when it comes to running the place.

But between now and May 6th... who knows. We've got the TV debates coming up soon, whilst I don't think that they'll do much to change my opinions on various parties, I think that each leaders performance will influence the wider public and the media as to their views on each party.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 05:00 PM

The one thing I can't stand more than anything is the smear campaigns. I don't care that this guy did something stupid, tell me what YOUR going to do better? Even then it's usually empty promises.

The problem is being in power, or at least in politics, is too attractive for those with a desire for money and power. I know that it's a difficult job but it would be nice if the attraction was more about making the country and it's people better, and less about how much money you can claim off expenses and how big your pay-cheque is.

That said I'm REALLY tempted to vote this time around and that is REALLY unusual for me. I simply don't want to risk the Conservatives getting into power because a: I don't trust them one bit, and b: despite what they might imply they obviously don't support us gays, in fact I bet a majority of them would love to see us properly re-criminalised and shipped off to death camps...

I really ought to get round to reading into their policies properly but if I had to choose off what little I DO know then I'd probably pick Labour. Better the devil you know and all that.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 05:34 PM

That said I'm REALLY tempted to vote this time around and that is REALLY unusual for me. I simply don't want to risk the Conservatives getting into power because a: I don't trust them one bit, and b: despite what they might imply they obviously don't support us gays, in fact I bet a majority of them would love to see us properly re-criminalised and shipped off to death camps...

That doesn't mean they will. They want "the pink vote" as it's been rather aptly dubbed. And will need it especially if they want to win. 'cus currently it's VERY close =/

Edited by DarkOverord, 07 April 2010 - 05:35 PM.


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Posted 07 April 2010 - 05:43 PM

I'm not gonna vote. It's so boring and like people in here have already said, the changes are going to be minor/crap either way.

The main thing that pisses me off is that all these traditional old geezers are going to completely censor and police the hell outta the internet. Just the thought of that scares me a little. The British government really hates everything modern.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 05:56 PM

I live in a constituency that where Tories and Lib Dems are almost neck and neck. Our local MP is Tory, but with any luck we'll have him out this time (:

I'll likely vote Lib Dems, although I'd pondered voting Labour just to keep Tory out but eh. Vote for what you believe in, eh? I guess I'll vote Lib Dem.


It's much the same situation in one of my close constituencies, Taunton, but they have a Lib Dem MP in power that I hope stays there. A lot of Somerset has a very narrow swinging vote. Sadly my constituency, Bridgwater and West Somerset, has an absolutely MASSIVE Tory majority due to all the farmers round here. While you can't blame the lifestyles and needs of the majority round here, it makes me feel like voting is pointless as at least on a local level my vote means jack shit. It's not much better if I was registered where my university is either (Runnymede). That's an extremely affluent part of the country including neighbouring towns like Windsor, Virginia Water and Ascot so will always be Tory run. :-/

The very day the election was announced, I got a leaflet through my door for UKIP. Talk about hopping in the seat while it's still warm... This is going to be a long month of spin and the major parties slagging each other off. How about actually giving us some of your own policies instead of telling everyone else they are full of crap?

By the way, I'm voting for whoever is closest to ousting the Tories in my area. It won't happen, but Labour or Lib Dem are the lesser of the three major evils.




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