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[Sapphire]

So DiGi and TRiPPY over at nightsintodreams.com started yet another campaign for the beloved purple jester.

Basically, they want SEGA to port the original NiGHTS to current generation consoles by the original game's 15th anniversary next year. You can read more about it here:

http://www.nid15.com/

All it takes to take part is to click a little button. If you ever played the original NiGHTS, you'll know how much this game deserves a revival. And if you haven't, well, you may just be able to get that chance.

[xyv]

I made a topic ages ago for a Xbox 360 port of this game back when I first started this forum, I would love to support this idea since I never really got to play the Saturn version of this game would really love it to play it count me in =D

Edit: my support is 100% ago as you can tell via my sig and avatar =D

Edited by Crash The Tomb Raider, 20 June 2010 - 09:26 PM.

[Shadzter]

Yeah, got the e-mail they sent out to forum members earlier and straight away added my support. I was disappointed SEGA didn't bring the PS2 port of the original released in Japan over to the U.S. and EU.

[Agent York]

I signed too and spread it around a bit to a few other sites, hope it gains a few but I noticed after posting it it went up 50 or so fans so here's hoping.

[killemoff]

What the hell?!?

It's been 15 years????

Oh god, i feel so old...

[Sapphire]

When I clicked it was at 40-some, and now it's up to 309! And they're definitely trying to get that e-mail around; I got it twice!

@killemoff: It'll be 15 years NEXT year. So it's not as bad.

[The Cheese]

Listen, I mean no offense to NiGHTS fans or anything, but this is not the way a petition should work.

Most of the time, even an ordinary petition is worthless. Why? Well for one thing, because it's impersonal. A typical petition I see is one that sends a copy/pasted reply on the fan's behalf and simply swaps the name around. I might sound sincere the first time, sure, but can you imagine how annoying and repetitive it is to receive ten thousand emails that are almost completely identical to each other? That's not going to convince anybody - hell, if anything, people would think it's a spambot.

So I take a look at this NiD15 thing. And you know what? This is even worse! There isn't even a message to go along with it! So what are we basing this petition off? A counter. A fucking counter. There's no messages of praise, no feelings of nostaliga, no sincere, heartfelt wishes to see the franchise back and flourishing as it once did - just a numerical increment that might as well say "I am not against the revival of a decade-and-a-half-old flagship character but am honestly completely indifferent to it". So we're trying to get wishes granted through the power of numbers alone? Companies have ignored petitions numbering in the millions of participants, and with the copypasta message to boot - what on earth makes anyone think showing a number alone to Sega will change their mind?

Honestly now. If fans really care that much about the franchise, they should gather en mass and appeal to the developer as individuals, not rely on a copypasta template to save them the effort and certaintly not leaving it at merely acknowledging the fact that they exist, such as the only purpose this counter serves to prove. Approaching the matter like this is overly insincere and impersonal, and probably wouldn't sway even the softest of developers no matter how high that number reaches. Really, draw them a picture! Make a fangame! Write a story, a poem, hell, even just a generic essay of how important the franchise is to you! Anything other than this lazy mess.

Incidentally, counter was at 413 last I checked.

EDIT: Oh, one thing I neglected to mention. Aren't there are issues that already exist that make a straight port of the game difficult, bordering on impossible? It was something along the line of the Saturn using a completely different method of rendering models, can't remember the specifics.

Edited by Blacklightning, 21 June 2010 - 03:15 AM.

[Professor J]

There's nothing to stop them from porting the PS2 version of the game, they could even make a quick extra buck by having the Christmas NiGHTS stuff as DLC.

[The Cheese]

Oh yeah, true that. Nevermind then. I was under the impression people were after the Saturn original. Though even if that was the case, there's still the possibility of a remake treatment I guess.

[DiGi Valentine]

Listen, I mean no offense to NiGHTS fans or anything, but this is not the way a petition should work.

Hi there

I'm not sure if you've ever run a campaign yourself but things get a bit difficult from time to time. You probably remember that last campaign we did for NiGHTS, right? Yeah, that took a lot of energy to work out. There's was so much work going in and in the end not many people really did much for it. We had support from people of course. ..but after a while that support calmed down and there was nothing left to show for it (until the cameo happpened in ASR that is, but i digress).

I have spoken about this NiD15.com method with the 'fucking button' feature to numerous people, some of whom will be responsible for the upper heads at SEGA taking note of this. And what do SEGA care most about? Numbers. As much as we would like to believe they honestly care about our heart felt opinions, with something like NiGHTS and it's cult following you need numbers instead. Believe me, i've been in the NiGHTS fanbase a LONG time and kind words and heart felt pleas don't go far. All SEGA want to see are those numbers. And that's what we're doing here.

Furthermore, this is something anybody and everybody can commit to without getting too deep in to the petition. How hard is it for someone who is interested in NiGHTS and would maybe like to see a port push a button? Not that hard at all. However, if you ask for messages, names, email address etc etc then that starts asking for a lot. We wanted to make this campaign less heavy and more focused on the matter at hand and the matter at hand is SEGA needs to see numbers.

We encourage fans to spread the word via any means, draw art, make music, podcasts, blogs, youtube videos, however you want to spread the word and show your support is now entirely up to the fans themselves. At the end of the day, and i have to say this again because i have dealt with SEGA numerous times now in regards to NiGHTS, numbers are whats needed.

Besides, you REAAALLY don't have to look too far to see NiGHTS fans are passionate about their game. Whether this campaign had messages from the heart and soul or not doesn't matter because SEGA already know how much this means to not only the games core fanbase but other gamers who have taken an interest.

Trust me, this method may seem a bit basic but it's the best one for something like this. It works the same way a regular voting poll would work on an official site if they opened up and asked everyone if they wanted to see a return to their favourite franchise.

Anyways, thanks for all the support so far to those backing this. It is really appreciated.

[Sarge]

Urgh, why are people so dead set on a port of NiGHTS? I was one of those who was obsessed over the game a few years back and I tracked down copies on the Saturn game and got the system... Big waste of time if you ask me. And that Wii version that was released around my birthday a couple years back was also a tremendous let down.

That said, I know people want it so what the hell, I will sign it to help out the fans .

[MarcelloF]

I doubt this, just as I doubted the whole NiGHTS in SASASR campaign, but I guess I'll help again. Its only a pressing a button and it can't hurt ^^

[TRiPPY]

Ello ello ello

Just wanted to drop my 2pence on this thing. It's not really a petition, petitions drum up images of emails and signatures and a whole lot of stuff that nobody will ever read past the 5th entry. This is a basic campaign to raise awareness of something a lot of people have been wanting to happen for ages.

1. Site traffic and individual visits are being tracked.
2. The button numbers. This can/should only be clicked once -but- and i say this from experience of running other campaigns/petitions it doesn't matter whether this is a email campaign or a vote campiagn - neither method is failproof. Proxies happen. Fake emails happen. Spam happens. People who want to sit and refresh their IP happen. But the same happens in official SEGA polls and any other gaming website who run such things. If there was a perfect way of doing this trust me I'd be doing it. I delete any double entries and spam IP's myself. Everything is tracked/traced.
3. I've dealt with SEGA and other companies in the past and I know that flowery emails about how much you love something don't work. It's a company. They need to make money. I mean I myself ended up skim reading emails after about 100 in our last campaign and I'm an admin of a NiGHTS website *lol* We know from experience it doesn't work. With some companies it will, with SEGA right now it doesn't. It's not a bad thing it just shows that SEGA is not taking risks on a whim that might cost them in reputation or profit. The only thing that could probably move them in our favour is if enough people talked about it, visited the site, word got around etc. This campaign is just a focal point to spawn other things. I've seen tons of petitions since 1996 for NiGHTS things but they never make an impact because people don't work together. This is the first time our main community site has ever stepped up to ask collectively for a port.


And lol 'fucking button' is awesome, it shall forever be dubbed this <3
And Sarge, as for NiGHTS not being worth it, that's your opinon and you're entitled to it in the same way i think a lot of games suck too (like most FPS's), but NiGHTS has a lot of fans who want a port. Thanks for the support regardless

[DiGi Valentine]

Big waste of time if you ask me.
That said, I know people want it so what the hell, I will sign it to help out the fans .

To their own is each, of course. But thank you for your support regardless. It's nice to know even if people ain't feeling a certain game they're still willing to help their neighbouring communities out. If only more SEGA fans thought along this train of thought.

Also, i noticed S0L from SUMO tweeting about this earlier today. Guess he's on the support train too!

Edited by DiGi Valentine, 21 June 2010 - 11:32 AM.

[SykoTech]

Signed...well, clicked.

I only played the first back when I was like 7-8. Can't remember the experience that well, but I do remember it, Sonic Jam, and Clockwork Knight being my favorite Saturn games. That's enough for me to want it back.

Besides, even though I though JoD had flaws at very turn, I got a decent amount of fun out of the flight stages and bosses. Great music too. So I'm certainly interested in getting to know the superior original again.

[Crow the BOOLET]

Hmmmm.... Idk... We already have roms so we can play it right now! XD Jk

Might as well jump the support wagon mostly because....

Spoiler

I really never played a NiGHTs game in my life. D:

Random ass question though. I might have read it or something but what is NiD going to port too? >.>

Ehhhh Edit: I couldn't remember at the time. D: Well I hope its possible to port it PC because I and possibly others lack of a next gen console or just want it on their computer for fun.

Edited by Zabel Zarock, 21 June 2010 - 02:48 PM.

[The Cheese]

I have spoken about this NiD15.com method with the 'fucking button' feature to numerous people, some of whom will be responsible for the upper heads at SEGA taking note of this. And what do SEGA care most about? Numbers. As much as we would like to believe they honestly care about our heart felt opinions, with something like NiGHTS and it's cult following you need numbers instead. Believe me, i've been in the NiGHTS fanbase a LONG time and kind words and heart felt pleas don't go far. All SEGA want to see are those numbers.

And that's worked real nicely for Sonic fans so far, hasn't it?[/sarcasm]

But honestly now, I can literally count on one hand the amount of times sheer numbers have actually worked for a petition (or "campaign" if you want to be picky about it, but ultimately it's achieving a petition's goal in the end). Further to the point, both of our fanbases have a large assortment of very vocal people, and even more among them willing to parrot their words further, people who have been complaining about things like this for between 1 and 2 decades and still haven't even been acknowledged, let alone heard. Sonic 4 is the sole exception I can see right now, but... well, you need only take a quick browse through the subforum to see what they thought of that.

Again, not trying to shit on your parade or anything, I'm just saying it's not that simple - this, coming from somebody who's seen a lot of videogame fan "campaigns", all of them failed and many of them far more retarded than this one. It's got simplicity going for it, and I respect that, but speaking out of experience, it doesn't mean much to most people.

And lol 'fucking button' is awesome, it shall forever be dubbed this <3

Technically it's more of a "fucking counter", but it's nice that I made an impression nonetheless. I should chat with you lot more often.

[DiGi Valentine]

And that's worked real nicely for Sonic fans so far, hasn't it?[/sarcasm]

I was not really refering to Sonic fans. The Sonic fanbase has more people in it and therefore opinions are hugely varied. The NiGHTS fanbase is considerably smaller, though that works in our favor because opinions in the NiGHTS fanbase are less varied than the Sonic communities. To SEGA, we are technically easier to handle than a thousand and one Sonic petitions all running for different reasons.

Oh, and i know what you're saying, petitions rarely ever work. But then there are those that do. And our last petition got NiGHTS a cameo so it wasn't an outright failure either. Someone somewhere is noticing the NiGHTS community and they're trying to help us out. Whoever they are, with any luck they'll be paying attention to this campaign too.

We're not trying to be difficult nor are we trying to make things difficult. That counter has already proven to be a success with gamers and fans because in the last 24 hours since we began NiD15 we have overtaken the numbered 'show of hands' support we got for 'Dont Forget NiGHTS' in the entire time that campaign had run for.

Anyways, i know you ain't trying to shit on the parade, i already expected someone somewhere to find something wrong with this campaign. And, hey, you were the first. Have a medal
But the way i'm seeing it, so far the campaign is off to a great start. The only thing that can go wrong is if SEGA do say an outright "no". And that ball wouldn't be in my court at that point anyway so as far as NiD15 goes i'd like to think things are looking nice. I'm not trying be optimistic too much, but it's nice to have a strong frame of mind when doing these things. If i started a campaign with me thinking "this is going to fail" then there'd be no point in me even starting it really, lol.

Wish us luck, eh? ;P

[The Cheese]

I was not really refering to Sonic fans. The Sonic fanbase has more people in it and therefore opinions are hugely varied.

But that's exactly the point, though. Even with numbers on our side, we generally don't get a lot of favours done for us - not that it helps that we seem to immediately shun any percieved attempt to appeal to us (which come to think of it, begs the question of how well you guys took the Wii NiGHTS game I can't recall the name of), but that's another issue entirely.

Oh, and i know what you're saying, petitions rarely ever work. But then there are those that do. And our last petition got NiGHTS a cameo so it wasn't an outright failure either.

For what good it's worth, I should probably mention that was more on the part of Sumo than Sega, unless I'm mistaken, and that the game was actively seeking out fanservice by nature, which makes a reference more likely than a port/remake/brand new game in the franchise. Still, good points for that last second save.

We're not trying to be difficult nor are we trying to make things difficult. That counter has already proven to be a success with gamers and fans because in the last 24 hours since we began NiD15 we have overtaken the numbered 'show of hands' support we got for 'Dont Forget NiGHTS' in the entire time that campaign had run for.

Fair enough. I just feel it's boring, y'know? Generally when something of this nature starts I've come to expect something a bit more inspiring to result from it, even if it's just comments along the line of "GIVE ME THIS GAME SEGA AND YOU CAN HAVE MY BABIES". I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate you linking some of the more entertaining content that results from NiD15 in some way on the page itself. Among things, you get to keep the lazy man minimal effort approach, people actually have incentive to visit the page more than once, and hell, it just makes the reaction look more convincing overall to your prospective publishers than a raw number. Not that I'm making demands or anything, I just feel it would make the page a lot cooler even if you didn't force it on anyone, so to speak.

Anyways, i know you ain't trying to shit on the parade, i already expected someone somewhere to find something wrong with this campaign. And, hey, you were the first. Have a medal

Really? Wow. Guess it pays to be the pessimist once in a while. Glad to be of service, I guess.

But the way i'm seeing it, so far the campaign is off to a great start. The only thing that can go wrong is if SEGA do say an outright "no". And that ball wouldn't be in my court at that point anyway so as far as NiD15 goes i'd like to think things are looking nice. I'm not trying be optimistic too much, but it's nice to have a strong frame of mind when doing these things. If i started a campaign with me thinking "this is going to fail" then there'd be no point in me even starting it really, lol.

Wish us luck, eh? ;P

Well, I'm not a particularly massive NiGHTS fan or anything, but I cast my vote anyway if only to keep the nostaliga alive. More luck to you, too.

[gato]

Well I clicked, Anyways this made me wonder what would be like to play NiGHTS in the 3DS