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[Vampfox]

SonAmy fans are nuts. They have no problem making fun of other pairings(like SonSal), but the second they feel that there SonAmy is being threated they go insane.

[KittyNakajima]

You do know, I was responding to guy above me, and not you right? Hence why I quoted him, and not you.

That still doesn't answer my question, as all you've said is your opinion on a particular pairing as if it were fact. I am here asking you for proof, not your hearsay. Genesis was not even trying to infer Sonamy as the true/preferred/whatever pairing for the comic, just merely trying to state that other folks have been vocal and quick to criticize more recent issues concerning certain characters. Nothing else. And to back up their point about folks aside from the said "OTP" fans criticizing it - here's SEGA Forums' topic concerning #219/SU#25 cover previews.

Aside from the people making funny cover edits, you also have people pro, anti, and neutral whatever lamenting the fact that such a cover is just asking for shipping wars to happen, as well as the fact that it was somewhat insulting to the Amy's character overall. It is not just Amy or Sonamy fans upset. It's a lot of people. Stop with the bias.

Lastly, I am getting sick and tired of hearing the "it's because you're a Sonamy/Amy fan" line. Just because someone happens to be a fan of it doesn't mean they can't discern or criticize something without a clear mind. I think I've been pretty fair about arguing my points without taking that road for any of you, so I would hope you'd do the same.

SonAmy fans are nuts. They have no problem making fun of other pairings(like SonSal), but the second they feel that there SonAmy is being threated they go insane.

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Who said anything about being threatened here? I hope you're not talking about all such fans, because if so, I do take some offense. That's like me as a general gamer putting down all Sonic fans because of the special black sheep that do crazy things and stand out. Please do not generalize unless you have the proof to back it up.

Edited by KittyNakajima, 23 November 2010 - 09:47 PM.

[Phos]

I'd like to mention that I got involved in all this hoopla because of how ridiculous and unbelievable the actions of the characters were that lead to this arrangement.

Edited by Phos, 24 November 2010 - 12:16 AM.

[Kyoryu Aqua]

Did this all start over Shadow kicking Amy in the chest? *shrugs* Seems in character for Shadow to me. He's never been one to hold back on basis of gender. He's even threatened to backhand Rouge a couple of times.

[Azure Yakuzu]

Did this all start over Shadow kicking Amy in the chest? *shrugs* Seems in character for Shadow to me. He's never been one to hold back on basis of gender. He's even threatened to backhand Rouge a couple of times.

I'd like to point out that him kicking Amy's ass was awesome.


All of this started because kittynakajimma feels Amy's being mistreated in the comics, in favor of Sonic and Sally, ya know typical Shipping crap.

[KittyNakajima]

I'd like to point out that him kicking Amy's ass was awesome.


All of this started because kittynakajimma feels Amy's being mistreated in the comics, in favor of Sonic and Sally, ya know typical Shipping crap.

No, just in general. The fact that the cover was previewed around the same time as SU#22's release just made it a double whammy.

Plus, if you're going to state a fact, either quote me to back yourself up or say nothing at all, as I will counter back. I've been largely concerned with the Flanderization/misrepresentation of characters as opposed to shipping. The only true time I've discussed shipping was briefly listing other pairings aside from the ship tease pairing on #219's cover. I've even also pointed out how I wouldn't be said OTP Sonamy whatever in the comics - and I will keep bringing that up until you stop claiming this as nothing more than "shipping" bullshit bias.

Edited by KittyNakajima, 23 November 2010 - 10:30 PM.

[turbojet]

I have never been a shipper unless the relationship itself enhanced the characters who are being shipped. Spider-man relationships for example define the mindset and goals of his character. If he is with Black Cat, we know that he is being a naughty Spider and is more focused on his life as Spider-man since Black Cat asks that Peter Parker be abolished in favor of the superhero life. If he is with Mary Jane, it is Spider-man being responsible to his life as Peter Parker. When it is brought up in this comic, however, it literally does nothing for anybody except start a petty shipping war. Sonic is still going to be Sonic regardless of whom he is calling darling. The only thing that will happen is Sally will go in those incessant and unnecessary drivels about her companionship when Sonic when she should be focused on the friggin' war. Amy will just be happy as hell if she had it her way and anyone else would just be off. It doesn't make the reading any more interesting and becomes fanfiction nonesense.

I am so in favor of the mandate that everytime Ian flirts with the idea of breaking it, I cringe. He has been doing a great job so far, but he should just take this dieing dog behind the shack.

[Flyboy Fox]

Amy's certainly not been given anything even remotely resembling a legitimate chance with Sonic, romantically, I'll grant that. But I don't see how that's a problem or a disservice to her as a character, given that the role of 'love interest' to Sonic was already given to Sally long before Amy came along.

As far as character development goes, Amy's been given SO MUCH credit and airtime lately. She's been shown to be incredibly strong, tough, resilient and respected. Personally I think she's been made into a far TOO strong/fearsome character... but I can't see how she could be seen as being disrespected or treated badly in any way. She's kinda been the new golden girl/super-heroine recently.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

Black Cat is SEXY!

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Wait, what the fuck are we talking about? The hell did all this talk on SonAmy come from Shadow beating up Amy come from?

Edited by ChaosSupremeSonic, 23 November 2010 - 10:40 PM.

[Azure Yakuzu]

No, just in general. The fact that the cover was previewed around the same time as SU#22's release just made it a double whammy.

Plus, if you're going to state a fact, either quote me to back yourself up or say nothing at all, as I will counter back. I've been largely concerned with the Flanderization/misrepresentation of characters as opposed to shipping. The only true time I've discussed shipping was briefly listing other pairings aside from the ship tease pairing on #219's cover. I've even also pointed out how I wouldn't be said OTP Sonamy whatever in the comics - and I will keep bringing that up until you stop claiming this as nothing more than "shipping" bullshit bias.

But you know you said it, so why should I quote it.


And still don't see how Amy is being mistreated, considering she's fight on the front lines, at almost any given opportunity, but you get mad because you see Sonic and Sally on the cover of a comic with Amy looking puzzled,and you call foul play, that's something only a shipper would do, because it tells nothing of what's going to happen in the comic, you just assume Amy's going to get the shortend.

[KittyNakajima]

Black Cat is SEXY!

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Wait, what the fuck are we talking about? The hell did all this talk on SonAmy come from Shadow beating up Amy come from?

Sonic Universe # 22. Team Dark engages Cream, Amy, and Blaze for their Sol Emeralds, and Shadow and Amy fight. During one part, he basically kicked her in the chest and used her own hammer on her after she got the better of him with it earlier in the issue.

Sonic # 219 Cover Preview - Sonic is holding Sally running, with a shocked Amy looking on in the background. The preview paragraph even teases that Sonic and Sally are testing the waters of their relationship.

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I'm walking outta this, because I'm getting pretty wary of some folks in here dismissing this as nothing but ship fodder. It might have had hints to it, but it wasn't all that, and I refuse to keep going on and on like a broken record overdosing on cocaine and heroine. Ugh. I'm a glutton for punishment. xD

Edited by KittyNakajima, 23 November 2010 - 10:52 PM.

[turbojet]

As far as character development goes, Amy's been given SO MUCH credit and airtime lately. She's been shown to be incredibly strong, tough, resilient and respected. Personally I think she's been made into a far TOO strong/fearsome character... but I can't see how she could be seen as being disrespected or treated badly in any way. She's kinda been the new golden girl/super-heroine recently.

And she became that to be respected by her peers especially Sonic. Amy is a beast and shipping her with Sonic or anybody would not do anything for her character development except possibly derail it.

[KittyNakajima]

But you know you said it, so why should I quote it.


And still don't see how Amy is being mistreated, considering she's fight on the front lines, at almost any given opportunity, but you get mad because you see Sonic and Sally on the cover of a comic with Amy looking puzzled,and you call foul play, that's something only a shipper would do, because it tells nothing of what's going to happen in the comic, you just assume Amy's going to get the shortend.

And yet what you've said is something I'd expect a biased wanker to say, as I haven't only been critical of just that. This is a topic where you are supposed to discuss the comic, agree or disagree from time to time. Not go all one way or the other. If we did it wouldn't be any fun and a total bore. You keep on replying to disagree with me yet I can't do the same? C'mon now.

I've listed/touched bases with other couplings, other characters, even comic characterizations of said OTP that I wouldn't enjoy in the comic if my life depended on it. I am merely offended and irate that you and others keep shoving it around as if I don't have a right to my thoughts or even to post it when I'm just merely exercising my freedoms here.

Edited by KittyNakajima, 23 November 2010 - 10:56 PM.

[Azure Yakuzu]

And she became that to be respected by her peers especially Sonic. Amy is a beast and shipping her with Sonic or anybody would not do anything for her character development except possibly derail it.

Actually considering she bettered herself for Sonic's sake, I think her hooking up with Sonic could make her more deteremined than ever. But yeah I don't think Amy needs to be shipped with Sonic to be good. She's already more than capable.

[turbojet]

Actually considering she bettered herself for Sonic's sake, I think her hooking up with Sonic could make her more deteremined than ever. But yeah I don't think Amy needs to be shipped with Sonic to be good. She's already more than capable.

The same could be said about Sally as well. Can we honestly say that it enhanced her character in anyway since the big break up? Has it made her more interesting? Has it made her more diverse? No. She just seems to be ship fodder in triang relations the prism of love. Just having a relationship just for the sake of having one is like a bad teen soap opera in a form of comic book. It is One More Day type of shit. Hell, it is my only criticism of Ultimate Spider-man as well as what looks like it could potentially happen in this comic unless Ian is finally burying this long dead monster.

I also like to point out that I would probably like Sally more if they could find a way to make her more interesting other than her relationship status.

[Kyoryu Aqua]

Ok, I just read the issue in question. Why are we complaining about Shadow kicking Amy in the chest again? She gave him a MEAN whack with her hammer earlier, it was simply payback. Then he went and owned her like she was Silver because he's Shadow, and he don't take no bull like that.

In fact, I loved that whole sequence. Go Shadow!

[Azure Yakuzu]

Ok, I just read the issue in question. Why are we complaining about Shadow kicking Amy in the chest again? She gave him a MEAN whack with her hammer earlier, it was simply payback. Then he went and owned her like she was Silver because he's Shadow, and he don't take no bull like that.

In fact, I loved that whole sequence. Go Shadow!

What makes it even awesomer is that he doesn't even say a word, he just does it so easily. Cause he's Shadow the DAMN Hedgehog.

[Flyboy Fox]

I don't really care for Shadow as a character, but I have to say that breaking the taboo right there by giving Amy a damn good smack was pretty awesome. I like the idea that the Freedom Fighter (and ally) girls are as strong, tough and capable as the boys in their own way, and that they can hold their own on the battlefield - but on the flip side, if they're able to fight the same as the boys, they should damn well be able to take hits like them too.

[bwrosas]

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First of all, let me start by saying this, DIFFERENT TIME, DIFFERENT PLACE, DIFFERENT WORLD!

You see, the Amy in Archie's Main Sonic Comics, is a different Amy from what you've seen in the video games, and both Sonic X's (The Anime and the comic), so if you're wondering and asking why Sonic and Sally are paired up together instead of Sonic and Amy, then hopefully there's part of your answer.

Another part (I hope) is the fact that (even through it's been said be over and over again by other fans) Amy may physically be the same age as Sonic, she's NOT actually the same age as him. Why? You may ask, because in issue 79 I believe, she used the ring of acorns to wish herself older. And yes she has shown lots a maturity over the years in the comics, she is still not the same age. Also, again she's a different Amy from what is seen in the video games and Sonic X.

Thirdly, like I said at the beginning in caps, it's a different world, time, and place, in other words, a different dimension. You don't believe me, read the 40th and final issue of Sonic X which ties in with issues 194-195 of the main comic, and you'll see what I mean, and again (hopefully, praying real hard it does) answer some questions in this whole SonSal pairing instead of SonAmy.

So that's all I'm going to say on it here. Want to hear more of what I have to say about it, tune into my youtube channel, which is also under bwrosas, to get more.

God Bless.

PS, STOP WITH THE COVER CHANGES, PLEASE!


As well as this:

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The reason fans argue Amy's place on the cover, is because the majority of them ARE Amy Fans (not that there is anything wrong with that).

But another reason the fans that do argue over this, is because they're fearful that history will repeat it's self.

In other words, they fear it lead to a repeat of the actions in 134.

But, let's remember, Ian (despite how you feel about him), is not Ken or Karl, and I think (just my opinion) he will work it out that has Sonic and Sally as they were in the early issues 15-54, you know as a couple, but not a couple that's not too serious to the point that they rush into getting engaged, more like an occasional Friday Night Date Night couple, you know, going to see a movie, going out to eat a drive-in, that sort of thing.

And again (cause I have a gut feeling about this), I think Ian going to do something similar with Amy and Sally to what he did with Tails and Sonic in 178-179, (mostly 179).

I just hope this clear things up a little bit.


And finally this:

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Perhaps Ian setting up Amy vs Sally, in the same manner he did with Tails Vs Sonic in 178-179.

Just a thought, because the clues are there in SU 21 and some other issues which I can't think of right now.

Now I stick by what I said above. But I'm not saying SonAmy is out of the question. I mean look at Monkey Kahn, when he first debuted years ago, The writers didn't pair him off with Sally, because of who he was at the time, but then Ian came along and changed all that.

Now I know a lot of people will say, that it was to prepare her to going another round with Sonic. That may be true to some point, but still, during the final 5 1/2 months of the ID Saga, Kahn/Sally did happen.

So again, even though I stick by what said before, don't count out SonAmy just yet. Even though in the comic's version, it may be a long shot.

Edited by bwrosas, 24 November 2010 - 02:01 AM.

[Azure Yakuzu]

You guys are really grasping at straws with Sonamy in the comics, I mean even in the main games, they don't really have much of chance of getting together.