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[Flyboy Fox]

I miss Mogul because it was cool that Tails had his own arch-nemesis, which Mogul really isn't anymore anyway...

But yeah, Tails saving a seat for Sonic was cool. But I felt a little sad that Sonic kinda brushed Tails (and Amy, but it bothers me more about Tails) off when they noticed he was down after his battle with Eggman... and only really confided in Sally. Tails is his best friend, supposedly... I would have liked to see Tails being more intuitive about Sonic's mood, and Sonic being more open with Tails :\ Oh well.

[redmenace]

I miss Mogul because it was cool that Tails had his own arch-nemesis, which Mogul really isn't anymore anyway...

But yeah, Tails saving a seat for Sonic was cool. But I felt a little sad that Sonic kinda brushed Tails (and Amy, but it bothers me more about Tails) off when they noticed he was down after his battle with Eggman... and only really confided in Sally. Tails is his best friend, supposedly... I would have liked to see Tails being more intuitive about Sonic's mood, and Sonic being more open with Tails :\ Oh well.

Sally was always part of the spotlight steal squad since the old days, it should be no different now with Ian's stubborn attitude of keeping the comic close to it's roots, in other words, to add her in situations she's not needed just because they think she's important or something. I think the comic would be loads better if they focused on the Sonic-Tails-Amy-Knuckles and Sally took a backseat. No soap furry drama, no romantic tension, no stupid flirtation. We don't need that in Sonic the Hedgehog.

Edited by redmenace, 09 June 2009 - 02:46 PM.

[Gatestormer]

But yeah, Tails saving a seat for Sonic was cool. But I felt a little sad that Sonic kinda brushed Tails (and Amy, but it bothers me more about Tails) off when they noticed he was down after his battle with Eggman... and only really confided in Sally. Tails is his best friend, supposedly... I would have liked to see Tails being more intuitive about Sonic's mood, and Sonic being more open with Tails :\ Oh well.

Agreed here. I thought that at that moment to, but I also would like to see more Sonic/Tails best friend interaction over the whole series, in SatAM Sonic treated Tails like he was Tails' babysitter and sometimes I still get the same feeling here. I really would like to see Sonic and Tails beat a villain or do something at least with just the 2 of them, like how they've been portrayed in just about every other Sonic media (excluding Underground ).

[Genesis]

Sally was always part of the spotlight steal squad since the old days, it should be no different now with Ian's stubborn attitude of keeping the comic close to it's roots, in other words, to add her in situations she's not needed just because they think she's important or something. I think the comic would be loads better if they focused on the Sonic-Tails-Amy-Knuckles and Sally took a backseat. No soap furry drama, no romantic tension, no stupid flirtation. We don't need that in Sonic the Hedgehog.

*claps* Thank you, I've been saying the same thing about Sally for years. Even though I'm not fond of her as a character, I think she would have been more tolerable if the comic didn't focus on her so much. Tails has always been a victim of Sally's characterization and it is sad that it still continues but he's not the only one. I think Amy is by far the worse one out of all four of them (Sonic, Tails, etc).

Amy has been in the comic for years and has little to no characterization. She has a cousin named Rob, had the lamest excuse out of anyone to change to her SA appearance and now she's a freedom fighter who fights more than she talks, The End? From 1999 (when she became a prominent character) to 2009 thats all they can do for her? For a media that is more narrative than the games, I think they could have done better than that. All that focus on Sally's importance (if you wanna call it that) and her relationship with Sonic, they should give to Tails and Amy and their relationships with Sonic.


I got tired of the writers neglecting characters people care about more than they do about Sally, like the Tails and Amy fans or people who want characters to be written better than they are. I stopped reading mainly for poor characterization. Why should I pay to read about characters I really don't care about when they continuously backseat characters I do want to read more about.

Edited by Genesis, 09 June 2009 - 05:52 PM.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

And believe it or not, it's possible for people to have opinions different from yours.

Thanks for telling me something I've been knowing since 2004, Phos. I really appreciate it.

But believe it or not, it is possible for me to disagree with him and have a discussion on the whole thing. That's the whole point of a discussion, is it not?

OMG, I'm a hypocrite!!

For having a different view or disagreeing with another? Why are you name-calling yourself, man?

No I'm not, the difference is I'm not telling anyone to dislike something he likes or vice verse. You simply told him his opinion was incorrect, and then threw out a strawman.

Really? Well I don't know what you see in my words, but I'm not telling him anything to dislike anything he doesn't like, rather I'm disagreeing with what he's saying.

Lemme break down what's going on:
what he's telling me is that he hates a character for being the same way he was in the past, and saying that he used to be cool. That's contradicting the way I look at it, and isn't really convincing me that he thought of the character as cool in the first place. So along with my response, I tell him "feel free to correct me if I'm wrong" if incase I am wrong since I can't read his mind to know exactly what he sees in the character that makes him so different while I playfully add "beware of a counterargument" in that I may still have a response agaisnt that.

Then shifts the spotlight on another character and calls him a whiney bitch. I don't see the character as that way, and so I told him he's far from that. I told him of the traits that character that I see, then I said that I don't care much for the character, but I will acknowledge what he is and what he is not.

Afterwards, I said "It's okay if you think he used to be whatever," as in if you think he's that, well I'm not going to take away what you think of it, but along with that I add "try to be straight with the character you're talking about instead of saying things to show disgust" meaning try to actually call out traits you don't like that are true to the character, and not calling him things such as "gay","wimpy" (<he didn't say those words, mind you), or "whiney bitch" just to describe how much you don't like him.

If you're going to speak for someone Phos, actually speak for them instead of using the "It's his opinion" card. It's not always a good tool to use as the first line of defense, I know that from expierence.
If that's really the only thing anyone used to defend themselves, there wouldn't be much of a discussion at all. If you say something, it should be expected that someones going to say something in opposition of it, that's what you did afterall and I'm not complaining.

Edited by ChaosSupremeSonic, 09 June 2009 - 06:15 PM.

[Kiljoy]

I have no problem with Sally, I always viewed this as a completely different entity from the games, and enjoyed the ride.

[Flyboy Fox]

I love Sally as a character, but hate that her friendship with Sonic seems to be a lot more meaningful than his friendship with Tails (even without the SonSal).

[Blazey Firekitty]

To be honest, I've always been kind of bothered at how an equal three-way friendship between Sonic, Tails, and Sally has seemed more or less a figment of my imagination. It seems like Sonic can only have one best friend at a time. If you wanted Sally to be Sonic's best bud back in the day, you would watch SatAM. If you wanted Tails to fill that role, you'd watch Adventures. Early Mike Gallagher era Archie wasn't as bad about this, though it was still kind of shaky.

On the one hand, I think it's nice that Sonic and Sally aren't romantically involved right now, thus putting Sal and Tails on more equal footing. On the other hand, I think it would be better that Sonic feel more confident expressing his feelings to Tails, given that he's known him for about as long as Sally. To a lesser extent, it'd be nice for Sonic to grow a little trusting to Amy, even if Amy's destined never to have the sort of relationship with Sonic that she wants.

Even if I take issue with how it ended up, I did like most of how the Tails/Amy scene in 200 was handled...Tails and Amy admiring and congratulating Sonic in their usual ways...then almost instinctively noticing that something is wrong and offering to help. Just would have been nice had Sonic accepted the offer.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

I've never really been bothered by the whole love relationship between Sonic and Sally while Sonic is still friends with Tails. Even with Sally in the picture, I always thought Tails got a bit more attention when he goes along with Sonic on a lot of his travels.

Sally's usually one who hangs out in the sides while Sonic and Tails would duke it out with whatever foe is in their way, so it doesn't really bother me as much as it does you guys. The only time I recall Sally engaged in combat was with her evil twin during the Scourge arc, while Tails would fight whoever Sonic was fighting, even if he was out of his league.

[Blazey Firekitty]

I've never really been bothered by the whole love relationship between Sonic and Sally while Sonic is still friends with Tails. Even with Sally in the picture, I always thought Tails got a bit more attention when he goes along with Sonic on a lot of his travels.

Sally's usually one who hangs out in the sides while Sonic and Tails would duke it out with whatever foe is in their way, so it doesn't really bother me as much as it does you guys. The only time I recall Sally engaged in combat was with her evil twin during the Scourge arc, while Tails would fight whoever Sonic was fighting, even if he was out of his league.

I guess it probably wouldn't bother me so much if I'd read more of the comic as a whole. I am admittedly many, many issues behind at this point.XD That's not so bad though, I've found learning about the comic to be something of an interesting journey.

[Agent York]

As an Eggman fan, it's disappointing to me his current fate. I hope Eggman comes back with triumph. Like, I know he will... There's no way Eggman is just going to be gone forever... But being a huge Eggman fan (and the number of Eggman fans have grown in recent years) it's kinda' disappointing to see Eggman brushed off as not even being a pest, not being a threat.

I get that feeling that Eggman's madness and now pure hatred for Sonic is going to bring him back later as a ruthless villain, but for now he's out for the count. Actually, if they ever wanted to end the Archie comics I could see it ending off some note of Eggman coming back as a "Joker" villain. Not exactly like the Joker... But after all that's happened and after actually going crazy thanks to Sonic, Eggman coming back just to ruin Sonic's life, maybe not even focusing on world domination, just to make Sonic miserable.

At least, that's what I think.

Edited by Dusk Golem, 09 June 2009 - 07:17 PM.

[Genesis]

I know people like Sally. I'm just saying I wish they pay more attention to other characters and their relationship towards Sonic (or even between other characters) besides Sally. Sally gets a lot of focus even when it's not deserved. Despite Sonic and Sally being just friends right now, their relationship is still highlighted as oppose to others like Flyboy just stated with Tails and Amy in 200.

Archie needs to realize not everyone likes Sally or would like to see as much of her as the audience gets. The main problem is not that she's in the comic, it's how they handle her around all the other characters, mainly Sonic.

Edited by Genesis, 09 June 2009 - 07:27 PM.

[Blazey Firekitty]

I know people like Sally. I'm just saying I wish they pay more attention to other characters and their relationship towards Sonic (or even between other characters) besides Sally. Sally gets a lot of focus even when it's not deserved. Despite Sonic and Sally being just friends right now, their relationship is still highlighted as oppose to others like Flyboy just stated with Tails and Amy in 200.

Archie needs to realize not everyone likes Sally or would like to see as much of her as the audience gets. The main problem is not that she's in the comic, it's how they handle her around all the other characters, mainly Sonic.

I think part of it may be an over-nostalgia towards SatAM. I think a lot about SatAM was great, including Sally's characterization for the most part, but in that show Sonic and Sally's status as lead male and lead female meant the other characters getting shoved to the background(Especially poor Rotor and Tails).

It's not as bad these days- Tails has gotten lots of screentime and important roles since the new editor and writer took over- but it does feel a little bit awkward at times.

And come to think of it, I'd like to not only see more interaction between Sonic and Tails, but between Tails and Sally. It feels like she hasn't truly been "Aunt Sally," someone that Tails could confide in, for a long while. Granted this was because she had to deal with due to the break up with Sonic, but for the most part said problems are now long gone.

[Razorsaw]

I.

Am not seeing the character unbalance regarding Sally. Especially in Ian's run.

[Blazey Firekitty]

I.

Am not seeing the character unbalance regarding Sally. Especially in Ian's run.

I'll admit I'm doing a lot of nitpicking. It's just because I have a tendency to be greedy at times about whichever pet character I don't think is getting enough attention at any given time. Maybe it's a side effect of following Transformers which uses Loads and Loads of characters.XD

But at any rate, I'm much more easily satisfied these days. I may have some things about Ian's run that I'd change, but for the most part I'd say things are sailing smoothly.

[the godfather]

It'll be rather excellent when Robotnik comes back, and when he does he should come back in style, the comic guys need to bring him back with a vengence, my only examples would be from 'THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK' great dark storyline and of course 'THE WRATH OF KHAN' how awesome would that be.

[redmenace]

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Pretty much this and am I'm glad someone actually gets the point and doesn't label me as a hater just because.

Tails is almost filler, like you said, babysitting material. He's was always put behind in favour of Sally, even being there from issue 1 and having no excuse of lack of time to adapt like Amy. It never got better, except after the all the drama between Sonic and Sally and the slap. It was utterly crap that scene and that setting I know, but I was glad that was an excuse to get her to backseat. Alas she didn't and continued there, issuing drama. Just this issue, Sonic confides in her for whatever reason, I guess it's because they've been friends for a long time. But Sonic doesn't usually confide in people though, and when he does, it should be Tails since he's the best friend, dare I say, Knuckles which is the next. Sally has no place in that issue. She's not on equal footing to Tails and never should be. If the authors want to go that way, than they're doing nothing more but making another Chris Thorndyke (with less winning and name calling though, thankfully). Tails never has more attention than Sally has, if she's in the vicinity. Is far better now I think, but issue 200 was back at the starting point.

Sonic being under her rule and the kingdom and not just a free guy also annoys me, especially when they could've gone that route to add dept to his character after they knew his correct behaviour in SA. Instead, he comes across as the usual goody-two-shoes and plain Gary Stu character who does every wish under her command. Their relationship is thankfully over, but there have been hints that it's not, and if 25YL is any indication, will just reinforce this. Maybe it's Scourge the one marrying the princess this time and therefore bringing chaos to the kingdom. I smell wasted potential in the 25YL plot. The sleepover in the first accomplished what exactly? It's this kind of waste of time and space that Sally is also guilty off.

Amy, I always got the feeling they wanted the readers to dislike her and prefer Sally instead. I know I like Amy in the games even with all the cringe worthy scenes and I know I can't stand seeing her every time she makes an appearance in the comics (I hail Rosy though, but that's another story). The whole excuse of her not being active on the freedom fighters stinks of spite to the concept that someone could be Sonic's girlfriend besides the perfect character they created. I'm always reminded of those self-inserting fics on ff.net that pair Harry Potter with a Mary-Sue and make Ginny die or evil for convenience.

What did it for me was every time some character is introduced and they have to bow, kiss the hand, marvel at the awesome princess when she says something. Filler, not needed and annoyingly condescending. Not to mention that it's everyone, there's no exception, she's liked by everybody. Everything also revolves around her at some point, she always has a final say to everything. Sally is so spotlight hogging that she always gets the principal spot of the panel draw, sometimes even when Sonic is in there as well. I know this is nitpicking, but it's conclusive that she gets far more attention than she deserves. It's not a matter of liking her or not or if he«s on the games or not. She always hurt the plot since the beginning. I won't say Sonic the Comic was a better comic, because that's down to opinion, but both Porker and Johnny took a backseat when they had to. Sally never does.

The main problem is not that she's in the comic, it's how they handle her around all the other characters, mainly Sonic.

This.

Edited by redmenace, 09 June 2009 - 11:38 PM.

[Blazey Firekitty]

I wouldn't mind some of the attention that Sal is getting be put on other characters, but I personally wouldn't want her to go away completely, since I'd miss Sonic and Tails having their "big sister" around.

[redmenace]

I wouldn't mind some of the attention that Sal is getting be put on other characters, but I personally wouldn't want her to go away completely, since I'd miss Sonic and Tails having their "big sister" around.

Neither me or Genesis are saying that. She gets too much attention than she should have though and it's something very obvious to see.

[Blazey Firekitty]

I wouldn't mind some of the attention that Sal is getting be put on other characters, but I personally wouldn't want her to go away completely, since I'd miss Sonic and Tails having their "big sister" around.

Neither me or Genesis are saying that. She gets too much attention than she should have though and it's something very obvious to see.

Ah, I see. I can understand that.