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[American Ristar]

It would have been better to show us, with at least one scene, how the ordinary people were taking the Dominion crisis, instead of using Mina as a vehicle to make it the case, after the fact. This is one of Ian's problems.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

It would have been better to show us, with at least one scene, how the ordinary people were taking the Dominion crisis, instead of using Mina as a vehicle to make it the case, after the fact. This is one of Ian's problems.

I'm pretty sure they did just that in one of the issues during the Iron Dominion arc when there were captured citizens such as Uncle Chuck, and later when Rotor was about to be undergoing the newly introduced Legionization process.

Granted, we didn't see a lot of how other people were taking it outside of the fight scenes and it was a quite weak, but they did give us something before using Mina as the voice of the people's thoughts on Nicole.

Edited by ChaosSupremeSonic, 01 June 2012 - 07:07 AM.

[Yong]

Eggman, in all his robot making glory, was never able to physically turn their homes against them. With Eggman, there was at least a place to sleep.

I'd fear Swat Bots breaking into my house and snatching me away just the same.

[Gammy-kins]

"So that's how she goes to the bathroom..."- Dr Light, Deceased.



Why is Tails...so tall in the last panel?

Well Tails is growing up in the comics

[VEDJ-F]

Well Tails is growing up in the comics

Not quite that much. The tallish size is more an issue with Butler's drawing than anything else. Look how big Amy looks compared to...uh, that little wolf kid.


...I'm sorry, I'm still not interested in this Wolf Pack/Felicidae conflict. :/

[Marionette Cherry]

How long do you think this Mecha Sally thing will go on for?
It's very interesting and as much as I love Sally Acorn. I think this is the best thing that's ever happened to her. Her character in the comics was becoming a little boring and I liked how it all happened immediatley after the Genesis arc to keep us interested.

Really loving what's going on.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

I suspect it would be a LOOONG time before she turns back. And I hope they keep her Mecha Sally for a long time to come before changing her back.

Tho it's kinda hard to imagine that because for what it's worth, she represents how much Eggman wrecked the whole world's shit. Changing her back would almost go straight back to the status quo in how it used to be unless Ian has something up his sleeve to keep things shook up despite having Sally back.

I've never cheered for someone as much as I have for Eggman, despite me wanting to see his defeat. He launches a Death Egg, rewrites reality, tries to robotizice the planet but only gets Mecha Sally instead, nearly destroys New Mobotropolis, Kicks GUN's ass while chasing his nephew, then kicks his nephews ass in the Dragon Kingdom, and nearly causes a war in Shazamazon.

Seriously, I don't want the bad guy to stop winning...yet.

[-Mark-]

Just got issue #237 this morning.

It's weird, seeing as Steven Butler was one of my favourite artists back when I read the comic initially, I'm not too keen on his style that much any more. Maybe because newer, better artists have come along since, whereas before most of the artists were shite and Butler's stuff stood out for being 'pretty decent' (which was fairly awesome in comparison to the competition).

I know he's improved as well, but he still draws everyone far too tall and, in some cases, with far too humanlike proportions. I remember how he drew Sally back in the day was just flat out awkward. Even a few panels of Mecha Sally almost have human proportions in this issue.

The issue itself was okay, I guess. Far too many generic furry characters for my liking, can't say I'm overly keen on all the wolfpack and felidae-whatever stuff. All their designs look like they don't fit in with the Sonic universe and cast at all.

Also, what the hell's up with Sonic's tiny hand here? D:

Edited by -Mark-, 02 June 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[Marionette Cherry]

The issue itself was okay, I guess. Far too many generic furry characters for my liking, can't say I'm overly keen on all the wolfpack and felidae-whatever stuff. All their designs look like they don't fit in with the Sonic universe and cast at all.

Looks like they belong to me, there's heaps of bizzare things in Sonic, like those Alien ants in one issue.
You can't really say what does and doesn't belong in the archie comics, since it's its own canon and universe. Anything goes.

[goku262002]

Just got issue #237 this morning.

It's weird, seeing as Steven Butler was one of my favourite artists back when I read the comic initially, I'm not too keen on his style that much any more. Maybe because newer, better artists have come along since, whereas before most of the artists were shite and Butler's stuff stood out for being 'pretty decent' (which was fairly awesome in comparison to the competition).

I've said this 3 times already so I'm bolding it now. Every artist who is working for Archie or wants to work for them has to adapt to 1 universal style now! SEGA cracked down on Archie's artists for flying off the handle with their various styles in the past so now everyone has to adapt to Yardley's team current style of art or at least come close. Its gonna look weird, but it has to be done to avoid the horrid mistakes in the past.

This is very reasonable since this comic has a history of just letting quality control fly out the window for the sake of artist's freedom. its a fucking job! you get paid to draw at your best for a comic thats being sold state and world wide. you can just half ass it and still ask for a paycheck, You want freedoms artists? go to deviantART on your own free time and draw your heart out. its fucking amazing SEGA didn't do this before.

I don't mind Yardley's team of art it fits Sonic and no other style since being switched to a serious comic has ever fit.

Edited by goku262002, 02 June 2012 - 04:52 PM.

[VEDJ-F]

It'd look less weird if he'd just make them look less humanoid in anatomy! It was a complaint against the art back in the day (with everyone who did it), it's a complaint now.

[goku262002]

It'd look less weird if he'd just make them look less humanoid in anatomy! It was a complaint against the art back in the day (with everyone who did it), it's a complaint now.

True I know what you mean, Humanoid perspectives never fit thats 1 of the reasons why I never liked some of the styles of the past. But at least this isn't too bad considering what we had before.

[Captain Harlock]

I'd fear Swat Bots breaking into my house and snatching me away just the same.

Imagine you live in a city where anything can change in minutes. Your house, your walls, it' all fake- built by micro robots- and every action you take is registered and watched upon by the central AI. Then one day, a villain appears and takes control of this AI. You try to escape- but the fake city gains a fake sky as the walls, the grass, the ground reaches for you and traps you. You wake up locked in a room where you're taken to an operation table- as Snively looks at you, scalpel in hand.

This is what the people had to live through. This is what Mina wanted to challenge- Sonic and Sally simply said "ooh poor Nicole" and everything was alright, as Nicole is one of the good guys, isn't she? No. She was hacked once, she can be hacked again. The people are scared, they want to be assured. But they got nothing. We had clues that this was happening- remember Dylan panicking when Nicole was broadcasting Guntiver's message?- but it was all ignored because, again, Nicole is one of the good guys.

She didn't call for a riot, she called for change, she called for dialogue. Her only error in all this is that she should've probably used the fact the FF know her and talk to them first.

Swat Bots are a different thing- you hid from them and you were often pretty safe. Not to mention Eggman hadn't been a serious threat in a good while- people allowed themselves to calm, to relax. And then NICOLE happened.

Edited by The KKM, 03 June 2012 - 06:22 AM.

[turbojet]

I suspect it would be a LOOONG time before she turns back. And I hope they keep her Mecha Sally for a long time to come before changing her back.

Tho it's kinda hard to imagine that because for what it's worth, she represents how much Eggman wrecked the whole world's shit. Changing her back would almost go straight back to the status quo in how it used to be unless Ian has something up his sleeve to keep things shook up despite having Sally back.

I've never cheered for someone as much as I have for Eggman, despite me wanting to see his defeat. He launches a Death Egg, rewrites reality, tries to robotizice the planet but only gets Mecha Sally instead, nearly destroys New Mobotropolis, Kicks GUN's ass while chasing his nephew, then kicks his nephews ass in the Dragon Kingdom, and nearly causes a war in Shazamazon.

Seriously, I don't want the bad guy to stop winning...yet.

I want Eggman to destroy New Mobotropolis. I am sick of always having to go to this bland ass rinky dink town.

[American Ristar]

^ I think the ruins of Robotropolis should be visited again. Would the series become too techno-noir if the heroes were forced to live out of an abandoned future metropolis? Ian should decontaminate that shiz with magic.

[The-Master-Board]

I've said this 3 times already so I'm bolding it now. Every artist who is working for Archie or wants to work for them has to adapt to 1 universal style now! SEGA cracked down on Archie's artists for flying off the handle with their various styles in the past so now everyone has to adapt to Yardley's team current style of art or at least come close. Its gonna look weird, but it has to be done to avoid the horrid mistakes in the past.

This is very reasonable since this comic has a history of just letting quality control fly out the window for the sake of artist's freedom. its a fucking job! you get paid to draw at your best for a comic thats being sold state and world wide. you can just half ass it and still ask for a paycheck, You want freedoms artists? go to deviantART on your own free time and draw your heart out. its fucking amazing SEGA didn't do this before.

I don't mind Yardley's team of art it fits Sonic and no other style since being switched to a serious comic has ever fit.

Lol. You've never actually done any kind of art before have you?
For an artist its not exactly "being lazy and half assing it" its called personal style. Every artist has a different style and if this SEGA mandate is true then that's a terrible thing.
Telling an artist how they have to draw is like telling people how they should dress everyday and speak and breathe. Can't see how you think taking creativity away from artists is a good thing at all. Personally I think the comic will suffer for it. Having an artist just draw without any feeling put into their work seeing as they have to just "copy" a style means we will get boring artwork.
And I can't see why they'd want to bring everyone in line with Yardley's style of all styles. That guys work isn't exactly what I'd call great to look at...

Edited by The-Master-Board, 04 June 2012 - 03:33 AM.

[ChaosSupremeSonîc]

I want Eggman to destroy New Mobotropolis. I am sick of always having to go to this bland ass rinky dink town.

So if that happens, where are they suppose to migrate? Eggman already destroyed the memorable Knothole Village/City, I'd say it's a bit much to ask for him to destroy their new one yet.

Edited by ChaosSupremeSonic, 04 June 2012 - 03:38 AM.

[VEDJ-F]

Telling an artist how they have to draw is like telling people how they should dress everyday and speak and breathe.

If they're being paid to draw something for a company, then they should be expected to fulfill their client's wishes as much as they can. This isn't thier personal art which can be anything it wants to, this is a product they're paid to do.

[Sega DogTagz]

If they're being paid to draw something for a company, then they should be expected to fulfill their client's wishes as much as they can. This isn't thier personal art which can be anything it wants to, this is a product they're paid to do.

But how much can you ask from your team of Artists if their already bending over backwards to suit the new world order?

I mean, for all the clamor about the Humanoid characters not fitting into the series "grand scheme", that was undeniably S. Butler in his element. While I would say he has adapted decently enough towards today, he was phenomenal at what he used to do, even if it didn't match everyone expectations of Sonic. Seriously, when you go back to his heyday, Butler was by far one of the most talented of the Archie artists, falling just short of Axer and Spaz on a detail bender. Yes, his Sally was deviously curvacious, but god-dang-it he could draw.

Now, he is asked to adapt to a style that no longer caters to his level of detail. A style that favors clean lines and simplicity, something that he hadn't done before. I understand the expectations we as readers have of professional artists, but if Archie is intent on keeping the Yardly style and not hiring people that better conform to it, then they need to carry a burden of blame for not giving their tenured artists something they are a little more accustomed to.

Edited by Sega DogTagz, 04 June 2012 - 10:42 AM.

[Marionette Cherry]

I agree and disagree with the ongoing discussion about the artists.
But really what can you do? An artist is always going to draw slightly differently from another artist. You can never expect someone to be spot on.

Atleast we're able to tell if it's Sonic we're seeing or not.
Personally the art has never really bothered me lately, I'm not one to notice minor change.