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[Miko]

I don't understand this "cannon fodder" term that the three of you use. I have never once seen an instance of a main character used as cannon fodder.

You've never seen an issue where the characters really serve no purpose but to use their physical abilities on the field? Flyboiiiiiii a quality supporting cast is what all heroes strive for.

Also, there is nothing wrong with a central cast who don't all actively affect Sonic.

Yes there is. They have nothing to do with Sonic go put them in Sonic universe so Sonic can have some REAL supporting characters who are actually have a place in his life. You know like a normal person who has REAL friends and REAL family. I could see if this guy was like Shadow, brooding and detatched and both regards, but he's not. If you want that kind of character pick up Sonic Universe and read Shadow because your hedgehog is in the wrong comic book.

I prefer it that way, myself. It makes Sonic stand out more as the hero,

If Sonic doesn't have a distinct and inruiging enough personality than God help him. As that's all Sonic the PERSON needs to make him stand out as a PERSON. He doesn't have to be written so unrealistically that he's void of a genuine sense of family and friendship.

while the drama kinda goes on behind him. I'd like to see Sonic and Tails interact a little more, but I have no problem with the dynamics of Bunnie, Twan, etc.

Their problem is that they're totally irrelevant to Sonic, while characters who have more relevance are put on the back burner for characters who just fight on panels.

First of all, the tone of this argument, especially those arguing for Mina, has become increasingly rude and snide. Methinks people are taking things a bit too personally...?

my snippiness is from feeling I'm getting a lot of pretentious, hypocritical arguements that try to make it sound of all things noble for practically bastardizing characters. l'm also frustrated with my comparing a character Ian and people taking his stance often do like on the field to show this hypocrisy, being twisted into a "you hate Sally" arguement. Like Viu said, this isn't about Sally its about the fact he's lying and the fact that many of those defending his view (even if they're not defending Ian the person). I suppose I could respond better though.

Edited by Miko, 20 August 2009 - 11:57 PM.

[Blazey Firekitty]

To try and possibly bring up something more positive...Anyone looking forward to Knuckles' story that he's getting after all this future stuff is over?

[Way Past Cool]

Their problem is that they're totally irrelevant to Sonic, while characters who have more relevance are put on the back burner for characters who just fight on panels.

It seems to me that you can't see beyond your own strong feelings for one character, when it comes down to it. By your own logic, anyone could argue that Mina is "cannon fodder". Is she? No. But neither are Bunnie and Antoine. In the long time I've read the Archie comics (and watched SatAM), those characters have evolved and grown and had their moments of spotlight.

The problem with Archie, and arguably the entire Sonic fandom, is that there are too many characters fighting for their moment in the sun and not the depth of writing required to keep them all up to the standard they should be. And so the comic turns into a huuuuge steaming pile of... well, characters that had potential when first introduced and then got set aside for another newbie.

[Flyboy Fox]

I don't understand this "cannon fodder" term that the three of you use. I have never once seen an instance of a main character used as cannon fodder.

You've never seen an issue where the characters really serve no purpose but to use their physical abilities on the field? Flyboiiiiiii a quality supporting cast is what all heroes strive for.

As WPC said above, that's not what cannon fodder generally means. Or at least, the implication is different to me.

Also, there is nothing wrong with a central cast who don't all actively affect Sonic.

Yes there is.

No, there's not. They do NOT have to ALL actively affect Sonic. For instance, Knuckles has plenty of associations that have little or nothing to do with Sonic. Other characters can have relationships without needing to link back to Sonic.

They have nothing to do with Sonic go put them in Sonic universe so Sonic can have some REAL supporting characters who are actually have a place in his life.

Sonic universe =/= everything revolving around Sonic. He is the central character, but other characters can have their own separate stories and interactions too.

You know like a normal person who has REAL friends and REAL family. I could see if this guy was like Shadow, brooding and detatched and both regards, but he's not. If you want that kind of character pick up Sonic Universe and read Shadow because your hedgehog is in the wrong comic book.

Sonic's never had normality. He's not 'normal'. But he has plenty of friends. But he's an action hero at core in an action comic book. I find too much drama boring to be honest. I love Sonic's interactions with his friends but I don't need them to be deep and complex. His friends like him, and fight by his side. He likes them and fights by their side. To be honest, I don't think an action comic is under any obligation to provide a thesis as to what each character personally contributes to Sonic's well-being and functionality. That he's chosen them as friends is enough. They're a delightful rag-tag team.

I prefer it that way, myself. It makes Sonic stand out more as the hero,

If Sonic doesn't have a distinct and inruiging enough personality than God help him. As that's all Sonic the PERSON needs to make him stand out as a PERSON. He doesn't have to be written so unrealistically that he's void of a genuine sense of family and friendship.

You misunderstand me. It BECAUSE of his character's charisma and likeability that there's no need for the writers to try too hard to give complex and psychological reasoning behind all of his relationships. Sonic is Sonic. He doesn't need to be pegged down, and neither do his relationships with the cast.

while the drama kinda goes on behind him. I'd like to see Sonic and Tails interact a little more, but I have no problem with the dynamics of Bunnie, Twan, etc.

Their problem is that they're totally irrelevant to Sonic, while characters who have more relevance are put on the back burner for characters who just fight on panels.

I still fail to see how Mina is any more relevant than the cast who surround Sonic. I think you just like her and want more of her.

[Blazey Firekitty]

I kind of wish "Who should Sonic be with" debates didn't always center around Sally and/or Amy and/or Mina. I wish someone would argue for someone else, anyone else. It's not really so much character preference so much as I'd like to see more options.

[Flyboy Fox]

I kind of wish "Who should Sonic be with" debates didn't always center around Sally and/or Amy and/or Mina. I wish someone would argue for someone else, anyone else. It's not really so much character preference so much as I'd like to see more options.

I could argue all night for Sonic/Tails But since there's absolutely no chance of it actually happening in any canon I won't bother. Especially in an Archie thread.

[Blazey Firekitty]

I kind of wish "Who should Sonic be with" debates didn't always center around Sally and/or Amy and/or Mina. I wish someone would argue for someone else, anyone else. It's not really so much character preference so much as I'd like to see more options.

I could argue all night for Sonic/Tails But since there's absolutely no chance of it actually happening in any canon I won't bother. Especially in an Archie thread.

I guess they were closer than normal at the end of "House of Cards."^^

I wonder what the kids would look like, if they found a way to have them.XD

[Viuely]

Personality is ability. I could have the physical ability to use a hose and a ladder but if I have an aversion to fire or heat I'm not gonna make a very good firefighter, am I? Speed and singing are abilities that both girls possess, but perhaps Melody also possesses the charisma/bravado (from her father) that makes her better suited.

Mina's personality and physical abilities were more than ready by angels to be a freedom fighter. Melody emphasizes that the physical ability traits Mina has are already adequate for being a freedom fighter, which emphasizes that Ian's full of shit. As usual.

I don't understand this "cannon fodder" term that the three of you use. I have never once seen an instance of a main character used as cannon fodder.

If you have no idea what we mean by it then how can you see an instance of a main character used as such?
When I say canon fodder I mean that Rotor is essentially there to entertain the battlefeild. Be it with gadgets or what not.

Also, there is nothing wrong with a central cast who don't all actively affect Sonic. I prefer it that way, myself. It makes Sonic stand out more as the hero, while the drama kinda goes on behind him. I'd like to see Sonic and Tails interact a little more, but I have no problem with the dynamics of Bunnie, Twan, etc.

No there is. Sonic actually stands out LESS because the characters are not emphasizing his personality traits by being foils to them. Second of all, because they don't affect Sonic, they're not really the central cast anymore because they're don't significantly affect Sonic's personality at all. They're not "close" enough to Sonic to be branded that role. And my thing is, its technically ok if thats what you perfer. But it becomes a problem when characters that don't really emphasize anything about Sonic's personality just sit there taking top tier roles when they're really 2nd to 3rd tier characters judging by how they're characterized. If Sonic has no drama, or no real problems there really isn't any conflict in the book because it'd only be looked upon as filler because it has no connection to the main character who is supposed to BE the story.

Of course he's not going to let go of the FFs. They're the heart and soul of the comics. Adding the game cast is a smart marketing move,

No it wasn't. Because its too many many characters. 2-3 times the logical limit you learn to keep in your basic creative writing class. And the problem now lies in the fact that new readers aren't going to KNOW they're the heart and soul of the comic because they're too young and the FF's are too OLD. Secondly, despite using a contrived main cast, Ian wants to move away from the actual SatAM status quo, which is pushing those older fans who might've kept to the book away.

but the comics are loved by many for their SatAM cast. Sonic X comic and (some of) the new Universe comics provide more game-related stories.

That doesn't change the fact that the main book has a bunch of contrived characters taking the lead roles, making it hard to get into for newer readers, despite leaving the status quo making it difficult for older readers to want to stay. Sonic Universe has its own problems but I'm just going to keep to the main book to keep the focus simple.

It makes sense not to add in new elements from SatAM that haven't been around before or in a long time, but the FF cast was there from the beginning. There's plenty of different media out there for hardcore game fans. I don't see why they should have it all their way with this comic, too.

Just because the FF cast was there from the beginning doesn't mean that younger viewers were here since the beginning and understand anything about the book if they're just comming in. To them, all they see is a bunch of characters that they don't recognize that makes the book too hard to get into because, they were as you said, here from the beginning.

I'm still not really seeing this 'lie'.

Simple. Ian says Mina isn't a freedom fighter because she doesn't have the ability despite the fact that Sonic Angels proved she had no ability problem emotionally, or physically, and then to top it all off he makes her daughter with the same physical abilities as her a freedom fighter after saying she didn't have the "ability". He just needs to stop lying and just be honest with people because its just petty shit like this that makes people think he's too wrapped up in ulterior motives and pairing agendas to give an honest answer anymore, second to the Julian debate.

Edited by Viuely, 21 August 2009 - 12:19 AM.

[Blazey Firekitty]

Simple. Ian says Mina isn't a freedom fighter because she doesn't have the ability despite the fact that Sonic Angels proved she had no ability problem emotionally, or physically, and then to top it all off he makes her daughter with the same physical abilities as her a freedom fighter after saying she didn't have the "ability". He just needs to stop lying and just be honest with people because its just petty shit like this that makes people think he's too wrapped up in ulterior motives and pairing agendas to give an honest answer anymore, second to the Julian debate.

Well, it could be possible that he's not purposely lying, but didn't research previous issues very well. Error as opposed to malice.

[Miko]

I don't understand this "cannon fodder" term that the three of you use. I have never once seen an instance of a main character used as cannon fodder.

You've never seen an issue where the characters really serve no purpose but to use their physical abilities on the field? Flyboiiiiiii a quality supporting cast is what all heroes strive for.

As WPC said above, that's not what cannon fodder generally means. Or at least, the implication is different to me.

My first exposure to the term was it's being used in that way.

No, there's not. They do NOT have to ALL actively affect Sonic. For instance, Knuckles has plenty of associations that have little or nothing to do with Sonic.

Okay but that doesn't mean Knuckles shouldn't have anything to do with Sonic, which is the point I was making.

Other characters can have relationships without needing to link back to Sonic.

Not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that yes, they can have outside relationships but they need a strong relevance to Sonic in order to be top tier supporting characters. Otherwise they're just 2nd-3rd tier characters taking up 1st tier positions, as Viu said.

He is the central character, but other characters can have their own separate stories and interactions too.

Not saying they can't, but there's a difference between characters being his supporting characters, ocassionally having their own separate stories, having unrelated bonds and relationships, etc and a character whose just not very relevant to Sonic getting pushed in the limelight.

Sonic's never had normality. He's not 'normal'.

He's not, but Sonic is a person whose been fighting to restore some sense of family and home all his life. So addressing this somewhat is in order, especially since this will make him a lot more relateable to readers. He's not normal, but that doesn't automatically give the green light to make him totally unrelateable.

But he has plenty of friends.

He has plenty of comrades. Comradship often being mistaken for friendship, kinship or "love".

But he's an action hero at core in an action comic book. I find too much drama boring to be honest.

A book where the characters have no personal problems that reinforce their bonds among each other, no internal struggles, just a brightly colored world where they treat figting Eggman like a playground joke is what's boring. He's action but that doesn't mean his story must be void of heart. If the only thing you want to do is watch fighting on panels may I suggest a wrestling match? Sports?

I love Sonic's interactions with his friends but I don't need them to be deep and complex.

I'm not asking for them to be all that deep and complex. I'm asking for them to be written with SOME effort and in a way that makes Sonic seem like actually has friends or a family.

To be honest, I don't think an action comic is under any obligation to provide a thesis as to what each character personally contributes to Sonic's well-being and functionality.

To hell with a thesis these guys have nothing.

That he's chosen them as friends is enough.

You don't choose your comrades. They're placed there for you comrades and are often mistaken as friends. They're not his friends though. He's just making due as best he can with comrades because he doesn't really have much in the way of friends. Something that wouldn't be a problem if this book would actually introduce characters to be friends.

You misunderstand me. It BECAUSE of his character's charisma and likeability that there's no need for the writers to try too hard to give complex and psychological reasoning behind all of his relationships.

Except it's not all that complex. They were able to do it with Sally (even though it was overkill) weren't they? This is just outlining a basic friendship for Sonic to have and even if you don't like it, it's apparent he should have friends if Tails isn't any indication.

Sonic is Sonic. He doesn't need to be pegged down, and neither do his relationships with the cast.

Giving him real friends isn't going peg him down. It's going to fleshen him out. Sonic is just a box of crappy witty jokes hopping speedily panel to panel. It's not "charisma" that's trying painfully hard to be 'cool.'

I still fail to see how Mina is any more relevant than the cast who surround Sonic. I think you just like her and want more of her.

And there wouldn't be a reason for liking her as a supporting character over the others. I just do for no reason?

Edited by Miko, 21 August 2009 - 12:32 AM.

[Viuely]

Simple. Ian says Mina isn't a freedom fighter because she doesn't have the ability despite the fact that Sonic Angels proved she had no ability problem emotionally, or physically, and then to top it all off he makes her daughter with the same physical abilities as her a freedom fighter after saying she didn't have the "ability". He just needs to stop lying and just be honest with people because its just petty shit like this that makes people think he's too wrapped up in ulterior motives and pairing agendas to give an honest answer anymore, second to the Julian debate.

Well, it could be possible that he's not purposely lying, but didn't research previous issues very well. Error as opposed to malice.

No he's been made aware of this on his boards. We talked about this on his forums. Second of all, its his JOB to keep up with previous issues, and he's been reading the comic before he was hired. Again, there's no excuse for this. He.Should.Just.Be.Honest.

[Kiljoy]

I kind of wish "Who should Sonic be with" debates didn't always center around Sally and/or Amy and/or Mina. I wish someone would argue for someone else, anyone else. It's not really so much character preference so much as I'd like to see more options.

I could argue all night for Sonic/Tails But since there's absolutely no chance of it actually happening in any canon I won't bother. Especially in an Archie thread.

Ewwwwwww. You're sick.



Just poking fun at you lol. How about Sonic and Rouge, argue that.

[Miko]

We talked about this on his forums.

He'd have to know about Sonic's Angel's. How else could he have written an understanding that Bunnie "provoked" Twan in Angels when she kissed Sonic. IIRC his acknowledging Bunnie doing this in Angels was in that one issue where Ant's father died. He knooows. And I'm sure he didn't skip issue 125. He seemed to know about it quite well in his 134 review.

Edited by Miko, 21 August 2009 - 12:45 AM.

[Viuely]

But he's an action hero at core in an action comic book. I find too much drama boring to be honest.

Too much action gets boring too because action in this book such as this, action is just a means to an end. We know Sonic isn't going to die in the end of the battle or there'd be no more comics. So a good deal of it is simply filler villain of the issue combat.

Edited by Viuely, 21 August 2009 - 12:47 AM.

[Way Past Cool]

Mina's personality and physical abilities were more than ready by angels to be a freedom fighter. Melody emphasizes that the physical ability traits Mina has are already adequate for being a freedom fighter, which emphasizes that Ian's full of shit. As usual.

There have been character inconsistencies like this throughout the history of the comic with all of the writers. Tails is a huge example of this. I don't like it any more than you, it's a horrible tease when the characters you love get a big burst of character development, but then get suddenly diminished.

If you have no idea what we mean by it then how can you see an instance of a main character used as such?
When I say canon fodder I mean that Rotor is essentially there to entertain the battlefield. Be it with gadgets or what not.

Entertaining the battlefield is not the role of cannon fodder. Cannon fodder is an inconsequential character created to die/serve a minimal purpose and disappear. He/she would never be a main character in the first place and can never be delegated to that role even if he/she starts to lose importance in the storyline. Rotor, while severely underdeveloped, is still not cannon fodder. He was still given more development than a redshirt.

No there is. Because of that, they're not really the central cast anymore because they're don't significantly affect Sonic's personality at all. They're not "close" enough to Sonic to be branded that role. And my thing is, its technically ok if thats what you perfer. But it becomes a problem when characters that don't really emphasize anything about Sonic's personality just sit there taking top tier roles when they're really 2nd to 3rd tier characters judging by how they're characterized. If Sonic has no drama, or no real problems there really isn't any conflict in the book because it'd only be looked upon as filler because it has no connection to the main character who is supposed to BE the story.

It seems like you're intelligent enough to have read serial literature. Haven't you ever read a long series of books (or even watched a TV show!) where it began with a central cast and then as the series continued the core cast branched out or even became disconnected from each other? Side stories are a staple in long works of writing and by no means is there a prerequisite for them to impact the main protagonist's personality or even his life.

Archie just happens to do a very poor job of continuing character development. It has become too concerned with bringing in the next big thing.

No it wasn't. Because its too many many characters. 2-3 times the logical limit you learn to keep in your basic creative writing class. And the problem now lies in the fact that new readers aren't going to KNOW they're the heart and soul of the comic because they're too young and the FF's are too OLD. Secondly, despite using a contrived main cast, Ian wants to move away from the actual SatAM status quo, which is pushing those older fans who might've kept to the book away.

Here it seems to imply you truly believe a work of fiction should be solely created to pander to new audiences at expense of the old. It's a purely commercial viewpoint and while some could argue that's a good enough reason for a comic to be created, it is by no means the way a comic should be written if it wants to maintain any integrity. I would be very concerned if the book series' I read all started tossing out the old cast because new readers might not be able to relate to them.

Unfortunately, Archie is and has never been the pinnacle of good writing and it's sole purpose seems to be pandering for profit.

That doesn't change the fact that the main book has a bunch of contrived characters taking the lead roles, making it hard to get into for newer readers

While this is technically only your opinion I will agree that the main cast has become contrived. But so have ALL of the characters because there's not much care going into the writing. If the writers were truly talented in their craft they would find it easy to keep the original cast interesting while still appealing to new readers. Other long running comics have done this for decades with plenty of success.

Simple. Ian says Mina isn't a freedom fighter because she doesn't have the ability despite the fact that Sonic Angels proved she had no ability problem emotionally, or physically, and then to top it all off he makes her daughter with the same physical abilities as her a freedom fighter after saying she didn't have the "ability". He just needs to stop lying and just be honest with people because its just petty shit like this that makes people think he's too wrapped up in ulterior motives and pairing agendas to give an honest answer anymore, second to the Julian debate.

Sadly, the same can be argued for many of the characters. Not just Mina. Again, poor writing all around. Full of contradictions.

[Blazey Firekitty]

Mina's personality and physical abilities were more than ready by angels to be a freedom fighter. Melody emphasizes that the physical ability traits Mina has are already adequate for being a freedom fighter, which emphasizes that Ian's full of shit. As usual.

There have been character inconsistencies like this throughout the history of the comic with all of the writers. Tails is a huge example of this. I don't like it any more than you, it's a horrible tease when the characters you love get a big burst of character development, but then get suddenly diminished.

I really wish that Chosen One arc had amounted to more than Tails beating up Mogul a lot.;; Like Merlin actually teaching Tails magic, as opposed to just "TUUUUUURBO TAAAAAILS" all the time.^^;;

[Flyboy Fox]

You've never seen an issue where the characters really serve no purpose but to use their physical abilities on the field? Flyboiiiiiii a quality supporting cast is what all heroes strive for.

I believe you said that already.

Okay but that doesn't mean Knuckles shouldn't have anything to do with Sonic, which is the point I was making.

He doesn't really have much to do with Sonic, especially these days. He's off doing his own thing, and that's fine.

Not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that yes, they can have outside relationships but they need a strong relevance to Sonic in order to be top tier supporting characters. Otherwise they're just 2nd-3rd tier characters taking up 1st tier positions, as Viu said.

Sonic has plenty of friends. They may not all be his best friends, but they are his friends. They don't need to live in his pocket and they can (and should!) have their own stories and interactions separate to Sonic. It's far more realistic to have them all leading their own lives and crossing paths and forming alliances when needed than trying to force them all into some kind of symbiotic happy family.

Not saying they can't, but there's a difference between characters being his supporting characters, ocassionally having their own separate stories, having unrelated bonds and relationships, etc and a character whose just not very relevant to Sonic getting pushed in the limelight.

Being a freedom fighter in a comic about freedom fighters seems relevant enough. Sonic's friends are... well... his friends. They don't NEED to be anything more.

Sonic is a person whose been fighting to restore some sense of family and home all his life. So addressing this somewhat is in order, especially since this will make him a lot more relateable to readers. He's not normal, but that doesn't automatically give the green light to make him totally unrelateable.

He comes across to me as a very relateable guy in that sense. He wants to fix things for his friends and family, he works with them, interacts with them. I see no issues with relatability there.

He has plenty of comrades. Comradship often being mistaken for friendship, kinship or "love".

No, he has friends. He calls them friends and interacts with them as friends. They are his friends. His pals. His buddies.

A book where the characters have no personal problems that reinforce their bonds among each other, no internal struggles, just a brightly colored world where they treat figting Eggman like a playground joke is what's boring.

Did you miss 'House of Cards' between Sonic and Tails? If that isn't a personal problem that ends up reinforcing bonds, I don't know what is. Internal struggles? Just look at Bunnie, or in fact almost any cast member. Eggman as a playground joke? Sonic's guilt over driving the guy to breakdown seems to nullify that. What is it beyond those types of examples that you want to see? It's all there! I don't think there needs to be any MORE drama.

He's action but that doesn't mean his story must be void of heart. If the only thing you want to do is watch fighting on panels may I suggest a wrestling match? Sports?

I don't much care for fighting either. There's nothing wrong with a lighthearted balance.

I'm not asking for them to be all that deep and complex. I'm asking for them to be written with SOME effort and in a way that makes Sonic seem like actually has friends or a family.

I agree the writing could be better, but I never felt that Sonic had no friends or family. I always felt very strongly that his team mates ARE his friends and family.

You don't choose your comrades. They're placed there for you comrades and are often mistaken as friends. They're not his friends though. He's just making due as best he can with comrades because he doesn't really have much in the way of friends. Something that wouldn't be a problem if this book would actually introduce characters to be friends.

The LAST thing the comic needs is to introduce more characters. And if you want someone such as Mina to be his friend rather than simply a comrade, isn't it better that she's not a freedom fighter?

Besides, it's clear to me that his comrades ARE his friends.

Except it's not all that complex. They were able to do it with Sally (even though it was overkill) weren't they? This is just outlining a basic friendship for Sonic to have and even if you don't like it, it's apparent he should have friends if Tails isn't any indication.

There is an issue with balance, but to me it is obvious that Sonic has at least a basic friendship with most of his team mates and a stronger one with a select few.

Giving him real friends isn't going peg him down. It's going to fleshen him out.

He has real friends already. Granted they sometimes could be written better, but it's obvious that they are his friends and that he genuinely regards them as such.

Sonic is just a box of crappy witty jokes hopping speedily panel to panel. It's not "charisma" that's trying painfully hard to be 'cool.'

I love Sonic's wit He doesn't have to try to be cool... he just naturally is.

I still fail to see how Mina is any more relevant than the cast who surround Sonic. I think you just like her and want more of her.

And there wouldn't be a reason for liking her as a supporting character over the others. I just do for no reason?

You dodged the question. I asked why she's more relevant to Sonic than the others.

[Blazey Firekitty]

As far as Sonic just being about jokes and catchphrases: To be fair, he did have some emotional trouble lately with how the Robotnik thing went down, as he just wanted to defeat him, not break his brain. He's still not entirely over it at this time.

[Joseppi]

So let me get this strait. In the future Sonic is married to Sally. And they have 2 kids which Sonic named after his brother and sister. But their last name is Acorn?

So...
1) Sonic took Sally's last name (at least gave the kids that last name) because she's royalty.
or
2) Sonic is that pussy whipped that he took his wife's name. For shame Sonic, for shame.

Or it could just be that Sally actually HAS a family name. It would be rather silly to call her daughter Sonia the Hedgehog when she's not one. Much simpler to just give both kids their mother's family name.

Even if she isn't fully a hedgehog, it is her dad's last name. It would make more since then emasculating Sonic like that. He's the hero and that just makes him look weak to me. But it's understandable. These are the same people who decided that Sonic's real name is "Olgilvie Maurice Hedgehog." And that made him look pretty douchie in itself.

[Flyboy Fox]

So let me get this strait. In the future Sonic is married to Sally. And they have 2 kids which Sonic named after his brother and sister. But their last name is Acorn?

So...
1) Sonic took Sally's last name (at least gave the kids that last name) because she's royalty.
or
2) Sonic is that pussy whipped that he took his wife's name. For shame Sonic, for shame.

Or it could just be that Sally actually HAS a family name. It would be rather silly to call her daughter Sonia the Hedgehog when she's not one. Much simpler to just give both kids their mother's family name.

Even if she isn't fully a hedgehog, it is her dad's last name. It would make more since then emasculating Sonic like that. He's the hero and that just makes him look weak to me. But it's understandable. These are the same people who decided that Sonic's real name is "Olgilvie Maurice Hedgehog." And that made him look pretty douchie in itself.

I don't think it emasculates him. Not that I agree with the whole pairing and kids thing anyway, 'cause I don't x.x But I think that Acorn is the more logical name for the kids to take. Why should the guy always get to have their name anyway?