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[KittyNakajima]

The Archie moratorium has been in place on ff.net for at least 16 months. We had some minor drama in the Fanfiction.net forums when it first got noticed, but the fact is that no-one polices the stories or cares, really. :/

Actually, as a member of FF.net since 2001, I can say that it's actually been there for as long as I've been a member. The fact that folks are taking notice of it now is kind of funny - Every so often FF.net revises their TOS and you have to read/click a link confirming that you've read it before you're able to post new stories. That list of off limit properties is there to read.

[nuckles87]

Aww ;_; I have Archie Sonic fanfiction on FF.Net. Guess I'll just have to claim it's SatAM from now on

lol, this only applies to Archie OWNED characters. Archie doesn't own Sonic, and they don't dictate anything in regards to the character: that SEGA's gig, and they are generally okay with fan fiction, especially since their own forum supports it.

I do believe this was all confirmed some time ago by the current creatives over at Archie. If you want to confirm I'm sure you could PM them and ask them.

Honestly, how insecure of themselves do they have to be to try and ban fanfiction on the series?

This practice really isn't that uncommon. SEGA's even engaged in it. A couple years ago, SEGA sent a letter to YTMND and told them to take down all of their Sonic related content. Why? Because they where worried that some consumers would take these images the wrong way, and muddle Sonic's family friendly image. I was an administrator over at SEGA.com during the whole backlash as fans streamed from YTMND to SEGA to flame and bash and do all sorts of other nonsense. Eventually, it settled down, and I don't think much anything has really changed.

For a company, though, and often for creatives themselves, protecting the image of their characters, especially when their characters are wholesome and kid friendly, is a genuine concern. The legitamacy of this concern is probably questionable, but then again I'm not a lawyer and I don't have access to any info that these people within these companies may have access to.

I mean, as someone who would like to write original fiction, I'd rather not see sully what I've created and loved with some disgusting sexual pairing fan fiction, and though I'd respect people writing legitimate fiction based on a universe (neigh, I'd be honored if that ever happened, though I don't think it ever will) you regrettably get more of the crap then the good stuff.

Personally, I'm with SEGA and Archie on this. Then again, that's probably why, when I'm writing a fan comic, I go out of my way to respect the company's kid friendly image of their properties.

[Frieza]

lol, this only applies to Archie OWNED characters. Archie doesn't own Sonic, and they don't dictate anything in regards to the character: that SEGA's gig, and they are generally okay with fan fiction, especially since their own forum supports it.

I do believe this was all confirmed some time ago by the current creatives over at Archie. If you want to confirm I'm sure you could PM them and ask them.

This practice really isn't that uncommon. SEGA's even engaged in it. A couple years ago, SEGA sent a letter to YTMND and told them to take down all of their Sonic related content. Why? Because they where worried that some consumers would take these images the wrong way, and muddle Sonic's family friendly image. I was an administrator over at SEGA.com during the whole backlash as fans streamed from YTMND to SEGA to flame and bash and do all sorts of other nonsense. Eventually, it settled down, and I don't think much anything has really changed.

For a company, though, and often for creatives themselves, protecting the image of their characters, especially when their characters are wholesome and kid friendly, is a genuine concern. The legitamacy of this concern is probably questionable, but then again I'm not a lawyer and I don't have access to any info that these people within these companies may have access to.

I mean, as someone who would like to write original fiction, I'd rather not see sully what I've created and loved with some disgusting sexual pairing fan fiction, and though I'd respect people writing legitimate fiction based on a universe (neigh, I'd be honored if that ever happened, though I don't think it ever will) you regrettably get more of the crap then the good stuff.

Personally, I'm with SEGA and Archie on this. Then again, that's probably why, when I'm writing a fan comic, I go out of my way to respect the company's kid friendly image of their properties.

People who normally lack romance in their real lives want to draw romantic pictures/write fanfiction as some way to get it out of their system i guess.
I don't know why it would bother you so much, you have to look for it in order to find it, it's not in your face at all.
Yes the characters are 'kid-friendly' but most people who played the first Sonic game on it's release would be atleast 18 years old by now.

Though it used to be funny that if you googled "sonic the hedgehog" one of the first images that came up was some fan-art porn of sonic/tails lmao, now that image is still there but it's at the bottom of the 3rd page on image search. Even with the safety filter turned on the image is there lol.

heres a link showing what i meant lol -

Btw, I don't write fanfiction at all, im just giving an opinion.

Edited by Frieza, 08 September 2009 - 08:24 AM.

[redmenace]

I will not get into the fanfic disscussion here because there's something in the comics that has been bothered me:

When they will focus more on Silver? When he appeared he said that his future was a big mess caused by some traitor in the freedom fighters (I don't recall correctly), but he seems to be pushed to the sidelines by the main characters in both the normal comic and Universe. It's that they think Silver's apocalyptic future is not important? A screwed out tomorrow sure sounds bad for me, seriously, more than Silver himself, his motives involving a TRAITOR and an APOCALYPTIC future seems very important!!!

It's difficult to do anything with Silver because SEGA has never giving much about what his life is like. What would happen if the writers give him a place to live, some villians other than Eggman Nega to taggle with, some comrades to associate with, and anything else they want to do with him ... only for them to have to completely get rid of all of the world building when SEGA starts giving Silver all of those things in the games. It won't end well and you have two completely different origins for the same character. It'll just make things convulted and difficult to keep track of, especially if SEGA intervene and Archie has to drop everything they worked on.

What would happen... the same that happened to Sonic I'm afraid.

The Archie moratorium has been in place on ff.net for at least 16 months. We had some minor drama in the Fanfiction.net forums when it first got noticed, but the fact is that no-one polices the stories or cares, really. :/

There was drama when the original works section was removed if I remember correctly.

They don't police anything, they rely on reports. Supposedly everything NC-17 was banned from there a long time ago and moved to adult fanfiction, yet there's still a lot of old stories and new stories that have NC-17 content. Fanfiction with lyrics are also banned and they still prowl around unscathed.

The Anne Rice and whatnot bans were done quite easily by removing those categories. Archie can't stop them from publishing Archie Sonic fanfiction though, because it gets filed under Sonic the Hedgehog Game section.

There's no link needed for confirmation. If Archie banned then Sonic is included, otherwise Sonic, TMT and whatnot would be said as exceptions.

Edited by redmenace, 08 September 2009 - 08:46 PM.

[Kyoryu Aqua]

There's no link needed for confirmation. If Archie banned then Sonic is included, otherwise Sonic, TMT and whatnot would be said as exceptions.

Um no, I'd think they're not mentioned because they're NOT Archie's properties. Sonic belongs to SEGA and TMNT belong to...whoever. You get the point

[JaidynReiman]

Sega owns Sonic, and as I've heard, Sega even owns every character Archie creates for the series, and every plotline. That doesn't mean Sega will use such things in the games, its just that Sega has a say in how Archie portrays the characters because it is Sega's property, and ultimately, Sega doesn't want Archie to demean the series by how they portray the characters in the comics. As is I think Sega dislikes it a lot, and many Sonic fans dislike how Archie portrays the series... but it still remains popular with a lot of other fans, so basically, the goal is to try and make the haters... hate the series a little bit less.

Frankly, its kinda been working on me a little bit. Except for the Mobius: XX Years Later stories, I've been loving a lot of these recent comics, when I always hated 'em before.

While Archie may right the comics, Sega still holds the copyrights, and they can take away Archie's right to create the comics at any time. Ultimately, Archie doesn't really have a say in what happens regarding fanfictions and the like, and typically, Sega always allows such things to be created. I've seen numerous fanfictions based on the Sonic the Hedgehog comics on FF.net (though I never read them), and they never really get taken down. That rule is obviously directed only at Archie's specific property, which is all comics they created and distributed by themselves, and not licensed comics.

[blackherox]

Just read Sonic Universe 7, it was pretty good, lots of WTF moments as well.

It was a nice read. I didn't see

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tikhaos perfect chaos thing coming. Shadow really is a dick in this.

[redmenace]

There's no link needed for confirmation. If Archie banned then Sonic is included, otherwise Sonic, TMT and whatnot would be said as exceptions.

Um no, I'd think they're not mentioned because they're NOT Archie's properties. Sonic belongs to SEGA and TMNT belong to...whoever. You get the point

Actually, rule of silence implies they're all included, any lawyer can tell you this.

Yet, Ash appears in the drop down menu of characters and he's an original from the comics. From this we can deduce that it is NOT included. It's contradicting however. I'd say they are allowed though, and ff.net just screwed up their guidelines or Archie didn't explain the cease and desist clearly.

[nuckles87]

I don't know why it would bother you so much, you have to look for it in order to find it, it's not in your face at all.
Yes the characters are 'kid-friendly' but most people who played the first Sonic game on it's release would be atleast 18 years old by now.

You'd be surprised what can be discovered by accident.

[Toby Barrett]

Some quick scans of the last two pages of #204's first story. Courtesy of Eggplant from Bumbleking.

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[Scheming Minor]

Some quick scans of the last two pages of #204's first story. Courtesy of Eggplant from Bumbleking.

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Zeeeeeeeeeee Guess who's back? Batman.

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No, but seriously I missed ya' you big ol' mad scientist!

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But how Robotnik rambles on in a calm mid-rant then activates the unlocking mechanism for his padded door shows that he is also aware of his surroundings despite his insanity. It might be just one large clever ruse to see what others would do without his powers behind the throne, more of a hit them when they're down situation, but he could also be recovering from his intoxicating mental breakdown. I'm thinking it's the second one, however. Also Crabmeat stole my cookie too. And my husband.

[turbojet]

Some quick scans of the last two pages of #204's first story. Courtesy of Eggplant from Bumbleking.

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Zeeeeeeeeeee Guess who's back? Batman.

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No, but seriously I missed ya' you big ol' mad scientist!

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But how Robotnik rambles on in a calm mid-rant then activates the unlocking mechanism for his padded door shows that he is also aware of his surroundings despite his insanity. It might be just one large clever ruse to see what others would do without his powers behind the throne, more of a hit them when they're down situation, but he could also be recovering from his intoxicating mental breakdown. I'm thinking it's the second one, however. Also Crabmeat stole my cookie too. And my husband.

Kintobor, knowing you and the fact that you responded to his post, basically negated the point of even putting spoilers in your post.

[Agent York]

Some quick scans of the last two pages of #204's first story. Courtesy of Eggplant from Bumbleking.

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His ramblings are interesting... Doing a little research, he is... In fact... Not talking plain nonsense.

He is talking about the Zone of Silence. In fact, most everything that he is sayng is somehow related to the Zone of Silence (yes, even the crabmeat line).

I think... He is going to try to banish Sonic there. Since he is also saying "Hate that Hedgehog", which would mean him teaming up with Sonic is a ploy to lure him somewhere. All that he said, I recognized a few from older issues. Like the "Must do away with Kodos..." Kodos was the Kingdom of Acorn person who showed Robotnik (Julian back then) the Zone of silence, and Robotnik betrayed him and sealed him in there instead. The squid-to-butter-ratio was from a really old issue when they were talking about weight and mass in the zone...

Robotnik is either planning to seal Sonic, Snively, or someone at least into the Zone of silence. Teaming up with Sonic.. Saying he hates that hedgehog... I think he's going to try to do away with him by sealing him away in there.

Edited by Rice Golem, 10 September 2009 - 07:22 PM.

[Toby Barrett]

Ahh, but the Zone of Silence is now the Special Zone. >.>

[Scheming Minor]

Kintobor, knowing you and the fact that you responded to his post, basically negated the point of even putting spoilers in your post.

Well, I obviously told you it was indeed Batman.

My, my. Am I getting that predictable? Well then, looks like I'm just going to have to find another mustachioed character to rabble on about to throw you off the trail. Like Nega.

[Yong]

2 + 2 in base 4? Portal reference?

[The-Master-Board]

All I can say is that the new artist since #203 is doing an excellent job, especially the Knux mini stories. Beautiful way past cool art there. I also think they've got Sonic spot on in this issue

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Sonic being impatient at the lake of rings pacing about, then being caring yet still with a mocking attitude when he kinda stays back and give MK a pep talk before leaving saying "have fun finding your staff in the lake" after their battle!

The Knuckles story puzzles me though. Espio and Knuckles were about to go at it, then they stop because of "conflicting issues" I can understand Knuckles having conflicting issues of whether to WALLOP Espio one, but I can't see why Espio would have orders that conflict him in that situation. The only thing I can think of is maybe the IQ wants the ME but also wants Knuckles alive to maybe transform him back into Enerjak again? And Espio cleverly uses a loophole that Knuckles will die defendng the ME, so therefore he cannot try to take the ME due to conflict in outcomes perhaps??

Anyways, great art makes me happy , still waiting to see Renae Deliz again though, her work was amazing.

[Toby Barrett]

Ugh. If by "her work was amazing" you mean "off model and awful with no sense of movement", then I agree. XD

[Ekajra]

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The Knuckles story puzzles me though. Espio and Knuckles were about to go at it, then they stop because of "conflicting issues" I can understand Knuckles having conflicting issues of whether to WALLOP Espio one, but I can't see why Espio would have orders that conflict him in that situation. The only thing I can think of is maybe the IQ wants the ME but also wants Knuckles alive to maybe transform him back into Enerjak again? And Espio cleverly uses a loophole that Knuckles will die defendng the ME, so therefore he cannot try to take the ME due to conflict in outcomes perhaps??
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I'm not gonna use spoiler tags cause I'm a jerk like that.

Anyway, I think it's more likely that the conflicting orders are that he was told to steal the M.E., but the specific leader of his Clan(I can't remember all the names) gave him different orders as well. I have a slight hunch that maybe the Shinobi Clan(and possible the other clans with them) are planning to overthrow the Iron Queen in some way. Just a theory of mine.

I do so love Robotnik's ramblings though...

Edited by Ekajra, 12 September 2009 - 03:32 AM.

[The-Master-Board]

Ugh. If by "her work was amazing" you mean "off model and awful with no sense of movement", then I agree. XD

Yes thats excatly what I meant, wow how did you guess? You must be some kind of idoit mind reader.

Some people like didfferent styles - get over it. Personaly I find Yardleys style off model and ugly. Renae's style is very on model, and even if it wasn't, who cares? Comic artists bring their own style to the issues they pencil, you don't see spiderman looking the same in every single issue - they allow artists to shine and bring their differing nuances to the page. Some people may dislike it, some people may like it..thats the point, change, therefore everybody gets a bit of what they like. (just like what (hopefully) SEGA are doing with "project needlemouse" by giving the old school fans something after years of new school junk)
Plus I don't see how Renae has no sense of movement. In her issue #198 I'd never felt such a sense of movement, the scene where Sonic lures Eggman into stalling the egg phoneix by a quick succession of "boosts" from his friends was quite possibly the best thing I've seen in the comics in a looooong time, and flowed exceptionaly well thank you very much!

Edited by The-Master-Board, 12 September 2009 - 05:16 AM.