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[Vampfox]

Over the years Robotnik(Eggman, whatever you want to call him)has become a lot more goofy, to the point where he now feels like a joke to me. The only games where he felt like a real threat was the Sonic Adventure games. Infact he felt like a real threat to Sonic and his friends in Sonic Adventure 2. Plus he came pretty close to killing Sonic in Sonic Adventure 2. Since then he has become more of a joke then a real threat. He didn't feel like a threat in Sonic Colors.

Are you happy with the way Eggman acts or do you think that he should be more evil? I've always liked it better when Robotnik is portrayed as a serious villain. My favorite verison of Robotnik is the Satam verison.

[Scarecrow]

Eggman was always goofy. From his blackened face as his Eggmobile explodes to his comedy run from Sonic or stomping up and down in a huff when you get all the Emeralds. Of course, he can also be serious, but I prefer the character we have rather than the cliche uber-evil versino in the cartoon. Eggman should be refined, and polite, and have a sens eof the finer things. hell, he's a feminist according to one games manual. And he prob ably genuinly thinks the world would be better his way. I think Eggman works best when he's a bit more complicated as a character than generic evil, and it makes the moments where he is truly evil all tbhe more effective.

[Scheming Minor]

[Jayhawker30]

As lighthearted as Colors was, I think I have to agree.

[Core]

While I think Eggman should be a bit goofy (especially since that's how he was in the classic), he was too goofy in Sonic Colors. He should be a bit more serious and threatening. Maybe like in the Adventure games. But not like in '06, he was too serious and threatening in that game, I found him creepy.

[JezMM]

I thought Eggman was a pretty commendable threat in the finale of Colours at least, though that whole game was lighthearted so having SatAM Eggman in it as the bad guy would have just been ridiculous.

I'd like a middleground between SA2 and Colours Eggman, that's my perfect Eggman (Sonic X Eggman is pretty much this), but both are excellent. SA1 Eggman was boring and I agree with the inevitable (probably saved in a notepad file for quick usage at this point I'd hope) post from Dr. Mechano when he proves what a boring 2D character SatAM Eggman is.

[Discoid]

I don't know about you guys, but I found kidnapping an entire race of aliens and conducting experiments on them to suck out all of their life energy until there's nothing left of them but millions of corpses to be threatening enough.

Taking that premise, using the Eggman we got in SatAM would have given us a fucking Nazi. No thanks.

Edited by Dissident, 04 January 2011 - 12:10 PM.

[Jayhawker30]

"All their life energy"? "Millions of corpses"?

Holy shit, which version did you play?

[Flyboy Fox]

Over the years Robotnik(Eggman, whatever you want to call him)has become a lot more goofy, to the point where he now feels like a joke to me. [...] He didn't feel like a threat in Sonic Colors.

I don't see why a character can't be goofy AND evil. He may have not been particularly scary or sinister in Colours, but in-game he was a HUGE threat. He was really quite wicked. Even aside from his "use a whole alien race as living batteries to mind-control a planet" idea, which is bloody well evil enough, on a more sadistic level his attempt to

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mind-control Sonic (and subsequently his thwarted attempt to use accidentally-mind-controlled Tails to fight Sonic, even after acknowledging they are best friends)

was really quite evil and wicked. And Sonic certainly saw Eggman's final attack mode as dangerous enough to

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throw Tails into the space elevator and send him to safety

before taking it on himself, knowing the whole thing could go kaput at any moment.

So really, the issue here, I think, is a preference of character portrayal, not specifically a level of evilness.

I've always liked it better when Robotnik is portrayed as a serious villain. My favorite verison of Robotnik is the Satam verison.

Having said all I did in defence of Eggman's current level of wickedness, I do have to agree on a personal level that I prefer him as a most sinister and creepy villain, a la SatAM. But he's not ever going to be that in the games, so we might as well just accept him as he is (:

[Agent York]

"All their life energy"? "Millions of corpses"?

Holy shit, which version did you play?

The version of Colors where Eggman made comments about people dying in the vastness of space in unnecessary detail of them loosing oxygen and loosing grip of their senses and to not stain his cushions with blood from exploding because those cushions are expensive.

Edited by Dusk the Horror Keeper, 04 January 2011 - 12:35 PM.

[Discoid]

"All their life energy"? "Millions of corpses"?

Holy shit, which version did you play?

The one where you simply have to put two and two together. Wisps run on "Hyper-Go-On" energy. Hyper-Go-On energy = Life energy.
Eggman is sucking out their "Hyper-Go-On" energy. What happens when you lose all your life energy? You die.

Obviously it was vague enough so kids wouldn't realize it, but I thought it was pretty clear. >>

[RidersDX]

I actually really enjoyed Eggman in this game, I feel his goofiness is actually a good quality to him that's always been there. But of course, it had to be extremely goofy to fit the game's storyline overall. However, no Eggman will ever beat the one in Sonic Adventure 2, where he actually willingly killed Sonic. That is truly a badass villian. The end of Colors shows a bit of that Eggman though, which was nice.

[DarkOverord]

The problem I've seen is sometimes, the balance between goofy and evil isn't right. He's evil in his own right, and does need the humour to go with it (Even in Sonic Adventure he has his moments). At the moment I think there's perhaps a little too much focus on making him goofy. But on the other hand, Colours seems to be getting it right. Not perfect, but, there's the subtle stuff in the background. Hell. Look at the final boss...

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It actually SUCKS WISPS OUT OF AIR just to give his mech an extra power boost and then use their abilities. That's, in a way, rather dark for such a lighthearted game...

I felt in Unleashed however, for example, he was too goofy, and was, most the time, added in as comic relief and then some "Oh yeah I'm doing something evil"...

[Jayhawker30]

The one where you simply have to put two and two together. Wisps run on "Hyper-Go-On" energy. Hyper-Go-On energy = Life energy.
Eggman is sucking out their "Hyper-Go-On" energy. What happens when you lose all your life energy? You die.

Obviously it was vague enough so kids wouldn't realize it, but I thought it was pretty clear. >>

I thought that Hyper-a-go-go shit was just a special characteristic of them. If what you're saying's the case, then what happens to the wisps that Sonic himself uses?...

Oh God.

[Vampfox]

SA1 Eggman was boring

I thought he was a interesting character in Sonic Adventure 1. He was pretty evil in that game. He was going to blow up Station Square with a missile, and kill a lot of people to make Eggman land.

[Mr. NinjaShark]

Considering that Post-Adventures Eggman still managed to put togheter Not one but three giant Armadas of heavily Armed Airships*, Split the Entire Planet Earth into Multiple Pieces, Chained Multiple Planets togheter and Sucked the "Hyper-Go-On" energy out of a Bunch of Aliens and wasn't even Afraid to Fire a Barrage of Missles at a City just to kill Sonic.

so Nope, I don't think he has Become 'too Goofy' except for maybe in Zero Gravity where he was mostly there for Comic Relief.


That said, I don't see how Eggman can't be Comical and threatening at the same Time, such as Bowser (well, when he actually is a Villain) who Had over the years his own share of Threatening and Comical Moments (and sometimes, like in the First Paper Mario, he was both).



*Granted, it could be possible that it was Metal Sonic that created the First of said Armadas but the wiki page for Egg Fleet states that Metal Sonic only 'Launched' it, so take that how you want.

[Jayhawker30]

I think the problem here is not so much Eggman himself, but rather the fact that nobody in the world seems to give much of a shit about the things that he does.

[Someguy]

The one where you simply have to put two and two together. Wisps run on "Hyper-Go-On" energy. Hyper-Go-On energy = Life energy.
Eggman is sucking out their "Hyper-Go-On" energy. What happens when you lose all your life energy? You die.

Obviously it was vague enough so kids wouldn't realize it, but I thought it was pretty clear. >>

Actually, and correct me if I'm wrong(I think I just overheard it in a DS version dialouge) when they run out of the Hyper-Go-On energy, at least with the method Eggman used, they turned into the seemingly mindless purple/violet Nega-Wisps, apparently turning back if they get some energy back or whatever happened in the ending. So I took it as less killing them and more... turning them insane or zombie-like? Then again, no idea if he could try and suck too much out or whatever and kill them off-screen.

Still, between the mass alien harvesting, the occasional surprisingly cruel but funny comments mentioned before and even how quickly and badly he's ruined the Wisp home planet(if you look at how much he's not just got built on there but carved out of the place, and the seemingly not natural purple water everywhere) he seems pretty evil to me here.

I thought that Hyper-a-go-go shit was just a special characteristic of them. If what you're saying's the case, then what happens to the wisps that Sonic himself uses?...

Oh God.

Again, forgot if this was the Wii version or what context it was on the DS, but I'm pretty sure that what Sonic uses is "just a small taste" of their full power. If he didn't care about Nega-fying or even killing them he probably could do some big damage... then again I assume when not stuffed in machines sucking their energy out and whatnot they got a choice in the matter too.

Edited by Someguy, 04 January 2011 - 02:15 PM.

[JezMM]

I thought he was a interesting character in Sonic Adventure 1. He was pretty evil in that game. He was going to blow up Station Square with a missile, and kill a lot of people to make Eggman land.

Exactly. Utterly out of character. Eggman wants everyone to love him and rule in a benevolent but utterly selfish dictatorship. The only person he truly ever wants to kill is Sonic, and even then only at utter breaking point usually after the hedgehog has thwarted everything he's had to offer in that game.


If your idea of what makes a good bad guy is how many people they're willing to kill, that's kinda, I dunno, shallow. I'd take an Eggman who makes me laugh in every cut-scene than an Eggman who comes up with unthinkably evil schemes but has no humour to him - because let's face it, Sonic Team would never let him win such a scheme in-game because it'd be too dark for Sonic. Might as well make us laugh than make us do fake gasps of horror at the stuff we know Sonic will stop.

Edited by JezMM, 04 January 2011 - 02:43 PM.

[speedfreak]

Nah I love the way Eggman is portrayed in Colors. He's sort of like Bowser. This evil dude that's also kinda cool/funny who you wouldn't mind hanging out with if he wasn't always trying to fuck your shit up. I like villains that can be serious but are also funny and have their good sides (Bowser, Eggman). I certainly wouldn't want Eggman becoming pure evil (SATAM) or anything.

Edited by speedfreak, 04 January 2011 - 03:47 PM.