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[Steelers2056]

The closest I've come to hating a game character is Big but that's because of the horrible fishing levels.

[Ming Ming Suzy]

At which point she should start relying on her eyes. It's a stretch to confuse Sonic and Shadow...it's straight up blindness to confuse Sonic and Silver. Doubly so for someone so enamored with him.

I mean, defend Amy all you want, but I really can't see how you can say this is anything but a joke at her expense.

Well it was dark, no lights above the rooftops, she saw the back of Silver, hugged him as soon as possible then realized Silver was not Sonic. IMO, that isn't blindness.

[Diogenes]

If it had been Shadow instead of Silver I could buy it, as it'd be reasonable to confuse Sonic's dark blue in the dark with Shadow's black, but Silver's...silver. Even in the dark you can tell the difference.

[Scar]

It is impossible for Amy to mistake Silver for Sonic regardless of how dark it is. His head is a completely fucking different shape. Surely she should have noticed this.
It is impossibly irritating for her to make such mistakes.
The one and only time its ever worked was in Unleashed, where it was played out as an Ironic joke; Amy having mistaken Sonic for.......Sonic.

It even bothered me in SA2, where it was broad fucking daylight, and Shadow was not only standing next to, but talking and taking orders from Eggman. How the fuck can she be so goddamn dense.

ARGH, it just pisses me off. Amy should be a better, more developed character, who's sole point of existance isn't just trying to marry Sonic. She should be more independant. Her relationship with Sonic should be one where she's trying to get him to love her, but not by being a fridge magnet by sticking to him like glue, or like a wrecking ball by trying to attack him with a hammer for not turning up to a date.

Shouldn't it be more of a case where Amy tries to get Sonic to accept her romatically by trying to do things that she thinks that Sonic might like. I dunno, developing romantic relationships isn't my area of expertise, but Amy's single dimension of "Must have Sonic" is just getting irksome.

E-123 Omega

I say this because Omega is essentially Gamma stripped of all his redeeming qualities. The betrayal aspect is still there, but it's for utterly self-centered and hateful motives that make Omega totally unlikable. His obsession with Eggman's death puts me off, and it's not just because I'm an Eggman fan- It's because that's basically all Omega is. His whole character is "RAWR KILL EGGMAN", aside from his somewhat contrived friendship with Shadow and Rouge. He's just an uninteresting, one-note character who really irritates me.

Now you see, I like the idea of Omega. A companion for Shadow. In Heroes, he was OK. The whole "Death to Eggman for locking me in a room" was a bit ridiculous, but then....so was everything else in that game (Real supa powa of teemwark). However, after that game, he pretty much forgot that angle all together.

In 06, I liked the fact that he was Shadow's friend, but it was never explained why.

I think that facet of Omega needs to be explored a tad more, instead of just omitting him entirely.

Shadow the Hedgehog

Shadow was okay in Sonic Adventure 2. He served the story's purpose well enough, and had rather decent character development for his initial (And so we thought at the time, final) appearance.

From Heroes onward, though, Shadow became this cash-cow of doom and gloom. Remember the character development from SA2? WHOOPS, CONVENIENT AMNESIA! Now Shadow hates everyone again and can conveniently angst it up, because we don't know how to write resolved well-adjusted Shadow! And hey, the fans totally ate that angst up in SA2, so let's take away his memories and let him angst some more!

So Heroes and then his titular game happened, and Shadow continued to be obnoxious. He was pretty awful in Chronicles too, but then, who wasn't?

He hasn't had many storyline appearances recently, so it remains to be seen if he'll still be the utterly bland character that they developed him into becoming.

The only time where he was truely wretched was in Shadow the Hedgehog, and outside of that, he's not been an outright terrible character. 06 had potential, but they still tried a little too hard with the overpowered outcast, and had him act too Angsty. I'm not even sure why he needed to be angsty.

Other than that, I haven't seen him that often. He was a massive prick in Free Riders, which I kind of liked. He wasn't angsty, he was just a collosal dick head, which makes him a whole lot more interesting as a character than: 'Angst' the Hedgehog.

Edited by Scar, 02 July 2011 - 09:28 PM.

[King Sombrero]

About the only one that gets my ire up is Mighty, and not the character himself but how people keep asking for him back in spite of him being pretty worthless.

Thank you! Finally somebody who agrees with me about that guy. I'd also like to add Nack, Bean, Bark, and Ray to that list. Oh and Honey the Cat. Honestly, I see people that want her, a nonexistent character, to replace the entire modern cast -.- really, dumbasses?

Did you have this conversation with our buddy Mr. Johnson? Lol. Either way the characters I hate.

1. Chris (no explanation needed)
2. Elise (again no explanation needed.)
3. Babylon Rogues (just nothing but carbon copies of team Sonic. Plus they love to talk smack but once you take away their boards they become just as useful as Chris Thoryndyke.)

Him, and quite a few others like him. I swear, this fanbase. Also, Aggreed on the Babylons.

[Diogenes]

Thank you! Finally somebody who agrees with me about that guy.

Yeah I just don't get the appeal. His design isn't outright bad, but he's about as much a Sonic recolor as Shadow. His abilities are just Sonic's plus a walljump (in spite of the name, Mighty has never really been "mighty" in the games, the way he is in the comics). Even his personality isn't much different than Sonic's, with him being an easygoing traveler (the Japanese Chaotix manual seems to set him up as a bit of a pacifist, but it's kind of hard to reconcile that with gameplay, where he can and will bash robots the same as everyone else). And while it'd certainly be possible to rebuild him into a worthwhile character, so much would have to be changed or added that they might as well just make a new character.

I'd also like to add Nack...to that list.

Hey, hey, let's not get crazy over here...

[Rynnec]

E-123 Omega

Remember E-102 Gamma? I do. His backstory was sympathetic and well-done; A robot built for conquest learns about friendship and love thanks to the kindly words of a little girl (And the bird powering his systems, perhaps), and betrays his creator not out of vengeance or malice, but out of a conscious rejection of all that he is and a desire for good. Gamma was a grand character.

I say this because Omega is essentially Gamma stripped of all his redeeming qualities. The betrayal aspect is still there, but it's for utterly self-centered and hateful motives that make Omega totally unlikable. His obsession with Eggman's death puts me off, and it's not just because I'm an Eggman fan- It's because that's basically all Omega is. His whole character is "RAWR KILL EGGMAN", aside from his somewhat contrived friendship with Shadow and Rouge. He's just an uninteresting, one-note character who really irritates me.

What's wrong with this exactly? Not every character has to have selfless and noble intentions to be likable or relatable. In-fact, I find myself relating to characters who do stuff for selfish and hateful reasons, and find them to be to be far more relatable and sympathetic, personally speaking. I understand if you don't like those kinds of characters, but it doesn't make them bad characters.

That being said, as much as I like Omega, I do agree that he needs to be fleshed out a bit more. So I wouldn't mind if they focus more on his friendship with Shadow and Rouge in future games, in addition to his Heroic Sociopath-ness.

Edited by Rynnec, 02 July 2011 - 10:01 PM.

[VEDJ-F]

I'm going to rail off on a slight tangent here. Now, this isn't supposed to be a defence of any characters, I merely want to get across a game tradition that annoys me greatly in regards to characters.

I call it the "Twos within Threes" principles. Since Heroes, there's been a high insistance of linking characters into trios to make 'complete' groups. However, within a trio, there always seems to be a case of there being two characters within the trio that are developed together and are naturally seen as a great pair, and then there's the third character who does nothing but pad out the numbers, effectively.

To take wit of the Triple Threat, whom are actually not as affected as other trios may be, Knuckles' relationship with Sonic and especially Tails is really faded when compared to the bond that Sonic and Tails have (especially since the rivalry Knuckles had with Sonic has been eroded over time). The reason he's not so affected is because Sonic Team did with him what should be done with the other 'third wheels'; give them a different character to interact with (like the other two in a trio will undoubtedly get) as opposed to feverently tying them to the trio.

For character development, it currently stands like this; If you're Knuckles? Um, you don't get considered a staple like the Unbreakable Bond are, but you can go play with Rouge in the meantime. If you're Omega, Big, Charmy, Storm or Marine (Marine's a very loose case, given that she's in one game through appearance, and may or may not have met Silver depending on Colours DS)? Screw you, no character interaction for you, you're padding. And, seeing as every one of these is a common, non-agument starting character to find on a least favourite list, this is quite clearly hurting them as characters. Why not have Blaze and Big talk to each other about their differences? Omega can surely see Jet as a threat if he's challenging Shadow's own rivalry with Sonic.

Spoiler

And it's a miracle Charmy's a co-op character in Generations even as a third character, given that he hasn't made an impact since...well, HE NEVER HAS. I adore him so much, yet there isn't a single game where he can't be taken out without the interactions majorly changing. Just watch the Chaotix vs Team Rose cutscene in Heroes for a pinnacle example.

TL:DR; Give these characters more to do, and maybe they can be more likable to the general fanbase.

Edited by VEDJ-F, 02 July 2011 - 10:13 PM.

[Skull Leader]

Partially because it's the only time they've done it, rather than it being a running joke as it is with Amy. Plus I have my theories about GUN intentionally framing Sonic rather than admitting to letting their most well-kept secret escape.

Or the secret was so well kept that even they could not tell the difference and simply mistook him. I mean is funny how for pretty much everyone an excuse can be found but god forbid Amy makes a single mistake because people will cling on that an exxagerate it in an effort to give a bad reputation for a character that does not even deserve it in the first place.

At which point she should start relying on her eyes. It's a stretch to confuse Sonic and Shadow...it's straight up blindness to confuse Sonic and Silver. Doubly so for someone so enamored with him.

I mean, defend Amy all you want, but I really can't see how you can say this is anything but a joke at her expense.

Problem is the character relies more on her feelings and intuition, also we are looking at the scene from the point of view of the audience, we're supposed to know things the character's don't or see more than them, is not as if this is the only series in which similar situations happen. And as you said, it's usually done for comedy in a very lighthearted way and none of the character involved are ever sen in a negative light, if anything the last time, which was in unleashed, suggested a very interesting scenario, so I honestly don;t se how it's a joke done at Amy's expense. Now if you want an example of jokes that are at the expense of a character, please look at Knuckles, a character that saddly was diluted from a badarse who relied on his intelligence to keep uo with Sonic by setting up traps into the butt monkey of the trio, worse when he was tricked by Eggman, twice and hitted his lowest point when you see characters like Cream bully him.

[HyperGogeta]

Tails.

Big.

Titan Tails.

Super Tails.

Chris.

In that order.

And Cosmo.

[batson]

I dont actually hate or even strongly dislike any character from the games, but i do find it hard to say much positive about Shadow. Unlike many others i actually like the basic idea of the franchise having a antisocial anti-hero among it's cast, it makes for some nice variety among the otherwise mostly lighthearted heroes. But Shadow was handled so badly that i find it hard to consider him anything much more than one big pile of wasted potential.

First of all, the "Sonic's dark twin" aspect to him feels incredibly forced since (unlike just about all other "the heroes dark twin"-characters in fiction) there is no in-universe justification for why he is so similar to Sonic.

Also, the fact that he has all of Sonic's abilities plus a ton of awesome powers that Sonic doesn't have really irk's me. This was perhaps acceptable as long as he was a villain, but as soon as he became a permanent good guy this meant we got a hero fighting alongside the main hero who is quite simply (from an in-universe point of view) "just like the main hero, BUT BETTER!".

And then of course there was Sega's extremely bad handling of the characters story and "character development" after SA2. Giving him amnesia was cheap, and the way that none of the characters ever simply told him about who he was and about his past was just stupid beyond belief.

[T-Man]

Big. Just...Big. He's slow, he's stupid, his voice is incredibly annoying and he fishes for frogs. In stages that you MUST beat in order to reach the final boss. Blasphemy.

[Sega DogTagz]

and the way that none of the characters ever simply told him about who he was and about his past was just stupid beyond belief.

If I recall correctly, Eggy tried to fill shadow in with a backstory more bent to his own personal gain. Either way It wouldn't have mattered much. Shadow didn't have a good idea of who he could trust at the time and he ultimately came to the decision that who he was in the past didn't matter. If Rouge, Sonic or Tails actually sat him down to explain what happened, it still would have gotten thrown out of the window.




More on topic, I think the only character that pushes the hate boundary for me is Big. I just don't like what he brings to the table. Its not even the gameplay (I personally don't judge the characters by their gameplay), I just don't think there is a place in this series where I can tolerate a fat cat with an IQ of -1.

[Pawn]

him: "...and all those useless annoying bitches made after SA2 except Blaze because they ruinned Sonic"

I don't agree about them 'ruining Sonic', but I do seem to dislike most characters created/revamped after SA2 (except for Blaze =P). What was done to Shadow was silly as well. I loved him in SA2, while his own game was pretty crazy.

Cream is ok and Espio's revamp fared better than the rest of Chaotix I suppose.

I also have little time for characters spawned outside of the game canon. They tend to be bland and uninspired for the most part.

Edited by Lungo, 03 July 2011 - 10:18 AM.

[Scheming Minor]

E-123 Omega

Remember E-102 Gamma? I do. His backstory was sympathetic and well-done; A robot built for conquest learns about friendship and love thanks to the kindly words of a little girl (And the bird powering his systems, perhaps), and betrays his creator not out of vengeance or malice, but out of a conscious rejection of all that he is and a desire for good. Gamma was a grand character.

I say this because Omega is essentially Gamma stripped of all his redeeming qualities. The betrayal aspect is still there, but it's for utterly self-centered and hateful motives that make Omega totally unlikable. His obsession with Eggman's death puts me off, and it's not just because I'm an Eggman fan- It's because that's basically all Omega is. His whole character is "RAWR KILL EGGMAN", aside from his somewhat contrived friendship with Shadow and Rouge. He's just an uninteresting, one-note character who really irritates me.

I am going to have to say this. Talking to you through AIM and PM over these years, mannnnn do you seriously have a hate boner for that character.

He's a robot, plain and simple - we aren't talking about an automaton of Iron Giant sympathy qualifications here. Omega's objective tends to switch the lines between wanting to destroy all Eggman robots to prove that he's the best in the arsenal/Eggman Empire to outright destroying Eggman altogether or runs the gamut of both.

God forbid having a robot that wants to kill their creator in a roster where there is a great chance of that happening.

While I run the catwalk of "lazy characterization" for what I am going to have to say, not every robot has to have overt development; they are just mobile blocks of steel and hydraulics that we project our anthropomorphism onto and Omega tends to run with the "kill, maim and destroy" stereotype.

Hell, he probably steals wallets and drinks hard liquor in his off time too.

But you might point out that this is no background smash-and-crash robot, and you are correct. Omega has a personality but of one that you tend to disagree with as you stated above: "self-centered and hateful motives."

He also has free-will like so many other of Eggman's higher-functioning robots. He chooses to do that to Eggman because he was treated as if he was something below his standards.

Then there is also a deeper motive that you might not know about the character stated by fans and some SEGA officials that Omega is Gamma rebuilt by Robotnik. The whole reason for revenge against Eggman is that regaining his memory and previous betrayal status, Omega went bonkers and for that was locked up to guard Shadow (it also explains why Eggman would want to resurrect a dangerous robot many times over - he probably wasn't aware of the treason committed by Gamma in Adventure but, again we are also talking about an egotistical scientist with huge balls that tries to make every prehistoric bitch his lap pet.) While it can bring up many gaping plotholes in this reasoning like "Do Eggman's robots have memory cores within their AI or is it the animals that have the memory?" or even "Does it record the animal's memories?" "Did Gamma even have free will as a metallic being without the Flicky?" and even "What about the canonicity of Chaos Gamma from Battle?" it explains a certain hatred for the scientist.

But you know, Occam's Razor and all.

The thing about character development it that not every character has to have a likable personality, including villains and anti-heroes. That just makes things well, contrived.

[Diogenes]

Then there is also a deeper motive that you might not know about the character stated by fans and some SEGA officials that Omega is Gamma rebuilt by Robotnik.

If this turns out to be true it will be The Worst Thing Ever. I like Gamma, I like Omega, but they're two completely different robots, and trying to pass them off as the same guy would ruin them both.

[Kyoryu Aqua]

I don't really hate anyone. There are some characters I enjoy picking on though. The foremost of them being Tails. Still haven't forgiven him for his transgressions in Sonic 2. The fact that I can turn him off doesn't make him any less of a problem.

There's also Elise and Chris, but then Chris redeemed himself by bringing in the SOAP Shoes, and Elise is at least nice to look at.

[Mick Bynes]

I don't get the hate for characters. To be brutally honest, I do not hate one single Sonic character. They're all unique, cool and interesting in their own ways.

[DarkLight]

'Hate' is a strong word. So I don't really have a character that would go that far to make me hate that character.


I tend to be annoyed by a few (i.e. Amy, Marine) or just be indifferent towards (i.e. Cream, Rouge, Omege, etc.)

Edited by DragonSoul, 03 July 2011 - 03:27 PM.

[dirupti]

I dislike all humans. I really like all of the woodland animals, the only others I dislike is the newer non-robot baddies. All I can think of right now that fits into that category is the Babylon Rouges. I don't like Rouge when she plays the "good guy". I don't like Gamma, but I enjoy Omega. I don't care to much for the orange robot guy that you teach in Sonic Battle. That's all!