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  1. T-Bird

    I have a question about reputation.

    Reputation is something earned, and is not something that is granted to you. Besides, Dread has like 3 times the reputation than me and I'M TOTALLY NOT BOTHERED EVEN THOUGH UR TOTALY GHEY IF U DON'T GIV ME PLUS REP RITE NAO. T
    12 points
  2. Slingerland

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    That's about as sweeping as you can get. Stealth's E02 engine can replicate or create any 2D experience that need be. Taxman's engine got to be so diverse, it went from being called the "Retro-Sonic Development Kit" to the "Retro-Software Development Kit." Programming Sonic is a good place to start and it can, and has, lead to other things. Also, people who learn from the codebase level can pick up on the other intricacies of creating a Sonic game in other departments or work with people who specialize in a different field. Probably the faked 360-degree physics and how they're not actual 360-degree physics. You know, why Sonic even became popular in the first place? The 360-degree physics engine? You get stuck on walls because Sonic 4 isn't programmed to handle every curve or slope at any given speed. It has to be a certain speed because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCGiEIncR7w. Did you ever stop to think as to why there's a speed booster before a quarter-circle-embankment, loops or a steep slope? It's because you have to hit these at near top-speed or you risk getting stuck. It won't happen every time, but you are susceptible to it. Getting caught in curves and standing on walls is totally unacceptable for a Sonic game made by SEGA themselves. Fangamers used pre-defined shit back before Clwe, Damizean, Cinossu, ParadoxX, etc championed 360-degree movement for Click software back in 2004. It's 2010. We've got all sorts of people nowadays creating perfect replicates from scratch by themselves. It's not some big secret or suddenly gone because the original Sonic Team isn't around. It's readily available information and skills for those willing to apply themselves hard enough (and I mean very hard). Dimps using pre-defined curves is bush league. This is the worst thing I've read in a while and I moderate comments on the front page on a daily basis. Sorry, that's really harsh, but I just bruised my face with my palm reading this sentence. The engine didn't remain constant because it was "convenient." It was constant because it was a damn good engine. There's a benefit to retaining a damn good engine... it's the foundation for a damn good game. Granted, you have to take care of your level design, art, music, etc to surround it, but you start with your gameplay engine first and foremost when you start production. Games aren't broken on presentation... they're broken on gameplay. "Never been constant?" Three (four, if you want to get technical) times in a row seems pretty constant to me. People don't spend their free time to replicate the Genesis physics because it's "convenient" to do so. They do it because, uh... it's a damn good engine. I... um... errr. What. What. Is this a thing that I read? Let's look at the positives here, though. I'm super happy that level types (green, casino, water, factory, etc) are being well represented graphically and that catchy, not butt-rock tunes permeate the experience. There's also the return of badniks, multi-tiered level design and just various other classic things that I could list off that are in this game. The game is not, by any means, the "worst fucking thing in the world" and is certainly is a functional game. However, it's not great. It's "aight." I just think there's too much of an emphasis on presentation of a classic package than actually providing a classic package. I personally believe that none of these threads would exist if they would have nailed the physics-based, momentum-driven gameplay of the originals from the beginning. Ruby sez in the Retro thread: They delayed the game and they did look at the physics. Admirable. At the time of the delay, I couldn't remember a time when SEGA delayed a Sonic game because it had been so long since the last one. I felt really good about this delay and thought it would bring positivity to a title that is just as divisive as the last. Sadly, an overhaul just wasn't in the cards. It would take more time and more resources. Time and resources that they did not have. Which begs the question, "why wasn't it done correctly in the first place?" Like I said before, doing it correctly is not a secret. He continued: That's true. You see people butcher accurate, open-source Sonic engines (especially Damizean's - holy shit) all the time with poor design and/or graphics. It doesn't guarantee a blockbuster. However, the "best physics in the world" make your "fun and enjoyable" experience even better. It goes from "good" to "awesome." Sonic didn't become a franchise on being just "good" or "aight." It became one for being "awesome." Plus, ahem, this is from the Sonic 4 website's "news" section: When I think "unrivaled classic Sonic feel," I think fantastic physics, which this game now is confirmed to lack. When I think "polish," this image absolutely does not come to my mind: That's not polish. That's not "high quality." That's not "the best they can do." They are a company of professionals. That's lazy. I just want this game to stop being average. You don't wait 16 years for "average."
    8 points
  3. Diogenes

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    People are going to see the bit about the (lack of) physics changes, act as if Sega is spitting in our faces and raping our childhood just for the sake of being as evil as possible, and whine and whine and whine, oblivious (or simply apathetic) to what is being changed and the (largely valid) reasons that the physics won't be. Not that I'm excusing the problems with the game. But some people take this shit way too seriously.
    4 points
  4. SchemingMinor

    "Sonic Colours is for everyone"

    Oh really, SEGA of America? Sonic Colors is for everyone? Is Sonic Colors for the multicolored robot demographic? Because of what I saw it is promoting biased hate crimes against them by blue furry hedgehogs.
    3 points
  5. Badnik Mechanic

    I have a question about reputation.

    Ok... just post this image in your next post... And you'll catch him in a week!
    3 points
  6. Chooch

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    I respect your viewpoint, Slingerland, because I know that you have personally played it. I, and many other people have not. Because of this fact, we can only gauge the general quality of the game off of videos and such. Which, to state the obvious, isn't all that great of a way to go about it. The main thing that annoys me is the pessimistic little shits that cry out at every little thing and make the fanbase as a whole look idiotic. I get transferred embarrassment from these fools, really I do. It's not even just with Sonic 4. It's with everything. People need to stop being so childish.
    3 points
  7. Shan Zhu

    I have a question about reputation.

    Act as pretentious and rude as you possibly can, and if you happen to be the most vicious monster of a social-climber in this rat-hole, people will like you. Otherwise, you're pretty much screwed, and the carrion of this forum will dig into you like the latest gazelle carcass in the Savannah. edit: Note: Oh, look, someone was silly enough to take me seriously. And they negged me for it too. Who could have seen that coming? Well, I've slowly marched my way up to +22 with semi-worthy posts over a couple of months, why not ruin it with one post. C'MON, MOFOS. HIT MEH!
    3 points
  8. Dreadknux

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    I played an updated S4 build today guys. It's honestly not that bad. Worst I managed to do was stand on the top of some curvature (and the way I was standing, it was sort of 'believable.'). I've not played the 'buggy physics' build (today was first time I had a hands on with S4 full stop) but it was nowhere near the shit I've seen in banners and those videos. And they sped up the running animation too, without actually speeding Sonic up. Like I'm justifying the 'in-depth investigations' that people have about this physics ballbags anyway. Jesus Christ, it's a little bit sad. The game's feeling right, bros. I honestly wouldn't hit that panic button just yet. [saying no more - embargos are fun]
    3 points
  9. Dr. Mechano

    Eggmen

    I think character comparisons are great. Recently, the topic comparing versions of Tails sparked my interest to create a similar topic comparing Eggman across continuities. To begin, each iteration of the doctor will be given a thorough look under the same qualifications- Their origins, the extent of their villainy, the extent of (if applicable) their heroism as well, and of course, a personality analysis. I invite you to share your thoughts on any or all of the doctors yourself, whether you agree, disagree, or fall somewhere in between on your stance regarding my evaluations. So without further ado, I begin my thesis on Eggman across continuities- Eggmen. Games: Sega of Japan Name Analysis: The name Ivo was only ever used in the English manual of Sonic the Hedgehog. Japan has never used it, yet they've never denied it either, so when the SoA storyline was adapted(With most elements of it discarded), we do know that Robotnik is Eggman's true last name. Because of this, it seems safe to assume that "Ivo" is also still true, even if not directly referenced as such. Worth noting is that prior to SA2, "Eggman" was treated as his actual name rather than an alias in the Japanese series. Origin and History: Until Sonic Adventure 2, we knew next to nothing about Eggman's past. He was simply the silly mad scientist in a flying machine with wacky weaponized attachments. He had no past or backstory as far as we knew. Even the story SA2 does give us is incredibly vague at best. We're given a small nod to Eggman's childhood, where Eggman reminisces about his admiration for his hero and grandfather, Professor Gerald Robotnik. He "wanted to be a great scientist like him", based on his own words, which is interesting, since Gerald was- for most of his life- a philanthropist who wanted to better the world with science. We never do find out what develops from the idealistic child to the madman in Sonic 1, although the Japanese manual for the game indicates that it isn't Sonic's and Eggman's first meeting. Sonic calls Eggman out, wondering what he's up to "this time." The story makes mention that Sonic never took Eggman seriously prior to this, but that Eggman for once managed to get Sonic's attention with his new scheme. Just what clashes the two had prior to their first game is anyone's guess. Evil Points: Perhaps Eggman's most iconic misdeed is using animals as living batteries to power his robots. How much this hurts the critters, if it does at all, is unknown, but it's generally not a good thing. Still, in recent times, he seems to have stopped doing this. However, his threats to humanity are far more pronounced than his mistreatment of the local wildlife... Make no mistake, Eggman is a terrorist of debatable sanity. As goofy as he comes across, the man is very dangerous, and has demonstrated a willingness to destroy populated cities, islands, and (We're led to assume through his attempted firing of the Eclipse Cannon, along with his threats to the President) perhaps even entire countries. Oh, right, and on two separate occasions he split the entire planet into pieces, to say nothing of the time he destroyed the moon. On an individual level, Eggman's also willing to kill opponents in battle, even those he has respect and admiration for. While he professes this much for Sonic("My admirable adversary"), Tails(Various praise for his genius in Sonic Chronicles), Shadow("Destroying that guard robot was spectacular!"), and others, he's still more than willing to obliterate them with his latest combat mech should they stand in his way. For Eggman, it's nothing personal- considering he shows blatant respect for his enemies- and merely a means to victory, although this in and of itself could be considered an example of his evilness, since he's willing to kill people he actually likes on some level. Good Points: First, we can see that Eggman actually values his minions. As early as Sonic Adventure, Eggman praises Gamma for his succesful retrieval of Froggy, and offers thanks to SA-55 for dinner in Sonic Unleashed. On that note, we see in the Eggmanland hub that even Eggman's grunts are fully self-aware, showing that the doctor intentionally gives each of his machines a sentient personality, rather than lead an army of mindless grunts with no opinions. This, I think, says something about Eggman- Which is that he values his robots as people, and not merely tools. And while he reacted harshly to the failure of the other E-series, one must remember that all he did was send them to various locations after kicking them off his ship- If anything, this shows that Eggman doesn't scrap his failed robots, and that rather, he "fires" them, which is a lot less unreasonable. It's somewhat paradoxical, but the same Eggman who willingly attacks cities and countries en masse seems far more restrained when dealing with individuals. Professor Pickle is kept in relative comfort and even served tea and sandwiches(Tails even acknowledges that Eggman isn't cruel enough to starve his hostages), and his offer to release Tails and Amy in exchange for the real Emerald in SA2 seemed entirely genuine. What does this mean for Eggman? That an individual's life is important but the lives of thousands are a mere statistic? Whatever the case, Eggman is far more considerate toward individuals. Eggman's conscience has shown itself in other instances as well- In what he believed to be his last moments in Shadow the Hedgehog, Eggman willingly confesses everything to his former ally, telling him the truth about his origin story. This apologetic gesture didn't benefit him in any way, and to me shows some moral sensibility to even care enough to make such a confession. As I mentioned under his evil points, Eggman seems oddly at ease around his foes- In most appearances, he playfully speaks to them in an almost friendly manner, even if he's willing to defeat them at all costs. While it's certainly bad that he would so thoughtlessly take the lives of people he feels some fondness for, it can also be considered a good quality that he can appreciate his enemies' good points, and that he doesn't (usually) personally begrudge them in any way. He's helped save the world quite a few times and, by use of the scanner built into his glasses, even helped save the life of his nemesis. While certainly these acts of heroism can be questioned for their ulterior motives("Save the world so I can conquer it later"), Eggman is honorable during his truces, and to date is the only villain in the series who has been willing to fight for the greater good. Personality: The Eggman of the games is a really difficult character to analyze, because his personality shifts from game to game so much. By far, I would call this Eggman the least consistent of them all. At his most serious, Eggman comes across as extremely calm, collected, and calculating. Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic 2K6 are prime examples of this portrayal, with the doctor displaying an all-business, no-nonsense attitude which was completely devoid of anything resembling humor. At the other end of the spectrum, Eggman can usually be found attacking the heroes with comically cartoonish weaponry(Mallets, checkered wrecking balls, highly impractical mobilized slot machines...), prancing around in disguises(Sonic Shuffle), and stealing the show with his overtly witty, joke-laced dialog (Chronicles stands as one of the best examples of this one). While Eggman has been presented at both far ends of the spectrum, he's usually somewhere in the middle, with a balance of oddball comedy and serious focus at the same time. Eggman's "childishness" is indeed a major part of his personality. I believe Eggman can best be described as a big overgrown child with a typically childish understanding of morality- It's not that Eggman is willing to kill because he's cruel or that he enjoys death, but simply that he doesn't care what happens as long as he gets what he wants. Sonic Chronicles in particular seems to suggest that Eggman has a hard time understanding morality, thinking not of good or evil, but rather of whatever's most convenient for his ambitions. While Eggman does have sudden strokes of conscience and do genuinely good things at times, his motives are usually egocentric. As for just what motivates him to conquer the planet, we don't really know. But based on dialog ("Now is the time to end this long drawn out battle, and mark my place in history as the ultimate genius!") and his tendancy to erect huge monuments in his own image, I can safely theorize that Eggman's prime motive is fame. He wants to be praised and adored by the world, and to go down in history as the greatest scientific genius that ever lived. It's not about the power or control so much as it is about feeding his own ego. And ultimately, that's the very "essence" of who Eggman is. Name Analysis: Nothing too confusing here, despite his confusing origin story. "Eggman Nega" is his name(Or possibly an alias), and that's that. Origin and History: Eggman Nega seems to have two origin stories! Yet according to the word of the developers, the Nega in Rush and the Nega in Rivals are indeed the same character. So let me posit a theory after I sum up the two apparently-contradictory origins. In the Sonic Rush series, Eggman Nega claims to originally hail from Blaze's world. While Nega is never directly called Eggman's dimensional counterpart or any similar term, this is the most logical assumption that players make. All we really know aside from this is that he and Blaze have fought before. In the Sonic Rivals series, Eggman Nega hails from 200 years in the future, and is a descendant of Dr. Eggman. He claims that Eggman's failure to conquer the world was too shameful for him to bear, and that he hoped to return to Eggman's time to change history. We also know that he and Silver know each other. Alright. There's one way this could possibly be resolved- This is only a theory, and only mine at that, so don't take anything as solid fact, okay? But I theorize that Nega is Eggman's descendant as he claims, and that he travelled to Blaze's world where he donned the identity of Eggman's dimensional counterpart to earn his trust, assisting him in taking over the world. This makes enough sense because Nega wishes Eggman did succeed in conquest, potentially changing his own future in so doing. By acting as an alternate version of himself, Nega could help Eggman do what he failed to otherwise do in the normal time flow. After both Rush attempts failed, Nega captured Eggman and disguised himself as his ancestor, hoping to conquer the world with his camera in Sonic Rivals as Eggman. By Rivals 2, he seems to have given up on conquest and openly attempts to summon a beast to destroy the world altogether- But Nega's snapping will be elaborated on later. In any event, by this theory, Nega's conflicting origin stories can be brought together to make some semblance of sense. Evil Points: Nega openly wishes for a world of fear and chaos, by his own wording. While the original Dr. Eggman's evil deeds appear more as a side effect of his selfishness and egocentrism, Eggman Nega is actually evil for evil's sake alone. To date, in three of the four appearances he's made thus far, Eggman Nega has tried to destroy the world. In Rush Adventure and Rivals, it was after being pushed to the edge and snapping in frustration, thouh in Rivals 2 his scheme was to awaken the Ifirit and bring doom to the planet from the very beginning, showing Nega simply doesn't care for his own survival as long as he can bring about complete destruction. Good Points: None known, though Nega certainly has some apparent good points, such as a pleasant personality and agreeable demeanor. Don't be fooled, though- This is a facade for the raving psychopath within. Personality: Externally, Eggman Nega comes across as a classy gentleman of fine heritage and culture. Suave, elegant, and ever so dapper, he exudes regal nobility and eerily pleasant mannerisms that mask his twisted, dark soul. Behind his almost constantly-smiling facade lies a psychotic desire for destruction. He doesn't care about attaining power or control; Eggman Nega's ultimate goal is leave as much panic and ruin in his wake as possible, even if he has to go down with the world to see it happen. He can be seen as Eggman's opposite. Where Eggman wants to build, Nega wants to destroy. Where Eggman strives to establish an empire, Nega strives for anarchy. If Eggman is order to its logical extreme, Nega is the same for chaos. Name Analysis: Shahryar, so named after the character from One Thousand and One Nights, simple as that. Origin and History: Sonic and the Secret Rings doesn't go into his origins, and because of that, we're not really sure how much his history reflects the Shahryar of the original story. Whether this iteration of the character systematically married and killed many wives in a maddening rage against all women, a theme which seems a bit brutal for a Sonic game, is unknown. All we're told is that he's "the main character of the story", which is true enough. Evil Points: Vague. If he is an accurate representation of Shahryar, then this version of Eggman did the aforementioned marry-and-murder thing a bunch, which makes him a pretty bad guy. Still, the game entirely ignores this aspect of the original Shahryar's character, so we never know if it's part of him or not. Good Points: As far as the game goes, Shahryar is presented as a good guy. Despite his many annoyances with Sonic, he directs him on his path to stop Erazor, and- given Shahra's respect for him- seems to be a good ruler. Personality: Shahryar is rather irritable, and quick to anger. He seems to also lack the charismatic respect that Eggman has, freely expressing disdain and criticism for Sonic even after saving his life, calling him a "spiky blue thing" and criticizing him for his rudeness. Shahryar lacks Eggman's wildly illogical bravery too, deciding to run away and hide from Erazor rather than boldly challenge the villain. Sadly, as we don't see much of the character, his personality is hard to determine beyond this. Games: Sega of America Name Analysis: Presented plainly in the SoA manual to Sonic 1, he's "Dr. Ivo Robotnik." The SoA writer's bible and promotional comic both say that this is not his original name, however, and that he was renamed such after transforming from Dr. Ovi Kintobor. Origin and History: This is never brought up in the games or manuals, but the promotional comic and writer's bible state that this Robotnik began as the kindly Dr. Ovi Kintobor, who met "Sonny" the Hedgehog and became his friend. After a freak accident, Kintobor mutated into an evil version of himself, Ivo Robotnik. From that day on, he's been on a quest to conquer the world. Evil Points: Like SoJ's Eggman, SoA's Robotnik plops animals into robots and uses them as organic batteries. The SoA writer's bible also contends that Robotnik has absolutely no redeeming qualities, and that he's pure evil in every sense of the word... Good Points: See above. The writers wanted to make it very clear that he has none. Although his past identity as Ovi Kintobor can certainly be considered a good point in and of itself. Personality: Kind of flat, honestly. We just know that this Robotnik is very evil and very angry. The promotional comic and writer's bible are the only glimpse we get of their personalities, and they merely had them yell angrily about their declarations for conquest. As Kintobor, this Robotnik was a bit more fleshed out, presented as a well-meaning but somewhat absentminded inventor. Cartoon: Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog Name Analysis: Robotnik's first name, Ivo, is mentioned in two episodes, "Zoobotnik" by Sonic, and "Lifestyles of the Sick and Twisted" by himself. Origin and History: Ivo was raised in Chaos City by his mother(known only as "Mama Robotnik"), where he was deliberately taught by her to be as evil and rotten as feasibly possible. His mother, because of intentionally raising him to be immoral, is responsible for Ivo's affinity for rottenness, as she would always angrily punish him for any perceived acts of goodness. Despite this, however, Ivo had a sentimental spot for his stuffed bear, which he affectionately referred to as Fuzzy Wuzzy. Later, in high school, Ivo developed a crush on his classmate Lucinda, but his romantic advances were rejected by her, as she favored his rival Lucas. After attacking him with a robotic snake, Robotnik was expelled from his highschool and began his villainous career. Sometime later, he earned his doctorate despite this expulsion (He has proof!) and would later throw Lucas into his dungeon, eventually starting his world domination schemes. Evil Points: Robotnik, thanks to his mother's influence, is quite literally evil for evil's sake. He loves rottenness, and sees it as something great to aspire to. Specifically, he's sneaky, greedy, and sort of petty. He'll put others in danger without a second thought, even if they work for him. And come on, the guy stole Christmas! How low can you go, man?! Good Points: Robotnik shares a sort of comradery with his minions, and in the rare instances when they do a job well done, he does give them praise (Along with the occasional prrrrromotion!). Robotnik has fallen in love more than once as well- And I suppose being able to feel love for another person is a good quality, isn't it? Personality: AoStH Robotnik is a bombastic mixture of egotism and self pity. To quote Milton Knight, "[Robotnik] is very excited about the fact that he exists. He's jealous of the hedgehog. Why should Sonic get the praise? Give it to Robotnik!" This really is a defining element of his character. While he longs for power and, of course, committing rottenness, Robotnik holds a deeply personal grudge against Sonic and simply wants to prove his superiority to the longstanding thorn in his side. Indeed, many of Robotnik's plots have been in retatliation to Sonic's fame (Sonic's Song, Sonic's face being pictured on the money, Sonic getting a party, etc.), displaying Ivo's petty jealously of the adoration Sonic has. But in the end, there are no subtleties with Robotnik- He's a man of emotional extremes. He's either giddily ecstatic or frantically furious, with very little room for a happy-medium(Although his contemplative "plotting" mood is the closest he comes to this). This Robotnik is rather pitiable in the end- A troubled child whose only source of guidance repeatedly told him to be evil, whose first love flatly rejected him, and who ultimately feels dangerously inferior to his foe, resulting in his constant envy of the hedgehog. Cartoon: Sonic the Hedgehog Name Analysis: This Robotnik was previously known as "Julian." Note that, unlike the similar Archie canon, the name "Kintobor" is never used in the cartoon. Similarly, when he renames himself "Dr. Robotnik", the name "Ivo" is never used either. Origin and History: The earliest parts of SatAM Robotnik's origin story are not actually mentioned in the show itself. However, writer Ben Hurst would later say that the mad doctor and his nephew were space explorers who betrayed their crew and ended up landing on Mobius. Again, it's never brought up in the show itself, and whether it would have been brought to light in the never-made third season is anyone's guess. We know that sometime during his stint on Mobius, Julian worked with one sorceror Naugus, before discarding him into a dimensional warp. After this, he befriended King Acorn and became his advisor. All of this, however, was merely a means to overthrowing the monarch and conquering the planet. After tossing the king into the dimensional warp he plopped Nagus into, and using the roboticizor to enslave most of the populance(And accidentally roboticizing his own arm), the newly-christened Robotnik went on to rule Mobius with a quite-literal iron fist. Evil Points: Julian is naturally treacherous. Whether it's his own crew, Naugus, King Acorn, or anyone else, this guy will stab anyone he works with in the metaphorical back. His motives aren't exactly great either- The series makes it quite clear that Robotnik wants Mobius to be completely mechanized, and completely devoid of organic life, sans (presumably) himself. He can be seen happily thriving on the smell of pollution and the grungy sights of decaying metal. It boils down to a very similar concept to AoStH Robotnik, in that he appears to want to make Mobius worse just for the sake of making it worse, although here it's played for drama rather than for laughs. Good Points: The kindest thing I can say about Julian is that he seems to genuinely love his pet bird, Cluck. He can be seen in several episodes showing what appears to be very honest concern over the robotic poultry's well-being, which indicates a very slight soft side. Perhaps, one could argue, Julian has shown more mercy to former partners than he has to random victims, however... While being isolated in a dimensional warp isn't good, it's arguably better than being roboticized. Personality: SatAM's Robotnik is all about control. When he's in control of the situation, he's incredibly happy, even going so far as to say his heart is warmed by his complete domination over all. But the slightest challenge to his supreme and unquestioned control can often be enough to send him into a rage. Whether it's a genuinely serious security breach or something so petty as Sonic calling him a "chump" through his security bots, Robotnik is easily swayed from his sinister contentment to uncontrollable rage, which he often takes out on Snively. This Robotnik is sadistic. He genuinely enjoys watching others suffer, and enjoys toying around with his victims, whether it's giving them false hope that he'll release them if they cooperate, or even building a giant pinball game with Sonic's life as the prize, Robotnik finds entertainment in the evil he causes. As overtly evil Robotniks go, Julian takes great pride in his "cold, metallic heart", and desires nothing more than to destroy and enslave everything in his wake. Cartoon: Sonic Underground Name Analysis: Simply "Dr. Robotnik." There's no mention of a first name or any alternate past names. Origin and History: All we really know is that "the evil Dr. Robotnik used his technology to turn [the] world into a place of terror." Through some means the show never bothered to elaborate on, Robotnik conquered Mobius. His apparent status as the planet's only human is never explained either. Evil Points: Robotnik roboticizes most of his subjects, which is certainly not a good thing. Additionally, as with SatAM's Robotnik, SU's Robotnik let Mobius decay into a barren wasteland, although in his case it appears more as a result of apathy and negligence rather than intentional pollution for pollution's sake. Some of his schemes have been pretty messed up too, such as giving Sonic a robotic baby- programmed to behave like a real child, which the hedgehogs consequently become attached to- that turns out to be a bomb. Just... wow. Good Points: Like AoStH Robotnik, SU's Robotnik has a sort of companionship with his hired hands, Sleet and Dingo. We can see him joking around with them and even gambling with them over Sonic's whereabouts at times. Underground's Robotnik is a mean guy, but the fact that he can understand and even take part in friendship is certainly a good quality. He's a bit more leniant than his SatAM counterpart, only roboticizing some citizens, leaving the vastly wealthy as they were, to fund his endeavors. Personality: Robotnik is an enigma. On the one hand, he's clearly serious about ruling Mobius under his dictatorship and maintaining control at all costs, yet at the same time Robotnik is rather lighthearted and fun-loving. He shows no qualms with roboticizing his subjects, and when it comes to Sonic and the gang, he unambiguously hates them. But that's not to say he's never felt fondness of some kind for anyone- As I mentioned, Robotnik is actually sort of friendly to his two hired bounty hunters, which hints at the slightest bit of depth. This Robotnik is something of a showboater as well, and likes to make a big show of his rule, such as dressing up as a judge(Complete with a white powdered wig and robe) when handing down court decisions, or begrudgingly allowing the oh-so-dreaded music at his fancy parties on rare occasions. He's self-conscious, worried about his public approval, despite being their unquestioned ruler. He even frets over his appearance at times, and worries about television adding ten pounds to his figure. Robotnik is rarely given much introspection in this series, so just what motivates him to do what he does is anyone's guess in the end... Name Analysis: Simply "Dr. Robotnik." Just like his alternate self. Origin and History: Like his villainous counterpart, this Robotnik is inexplicably the only known human on Mobius. All we know about him is that he and his smiling Swatbots have been fighting the tyranical rule of Sonic, Manic, and Sonia with hopes of freeing Mobius. Evil Points: None known. Good Points: He's a full-on hero in this incarnation, for starters. Robotnik fights for freedom, and employs nonlethal detaining technology to pursue his foes. In this way, Robotnik can be considered a heroic pacifist who valiently fights, but without ever hurting anyone. As the hero of Mobius, Robotnik has a lot of responsibility, and is regarded highly for his selflessness and determination. Personality: This Robotnik is a bit quick to jump to conclusions, and perhaps a bit slow on the uptake as well. His capture of the hedgehogs, and then inability to connect the proverbial dots after seeing their evil counterparts until they proved their moral stance by playing him a song, seems to show a lack of trust. Nevertheless, his heart's in the right place, feels genuine compassion for the poor and downtrodden as evidenced by his monologue about the state of Mobius in the episode "Six is a Crowd." He also enjoys music and dancing. Anime: Sonic the Hedgehog Name Analysis: Simply "Dr. Eggman." Aside from ADV's English dub, there's no mention of the "Robotnik" name in the original Sonic the Hedgehog OVA. Origin and History: His history is alluded to in Tails's dialog, which suggests that Eggman has- on previous occasions- attempted to take over South Island by kidnapping the President's daughter, Sara. Aside from this, all we know is that Eggman has long lived in his city of Eggmanland, located in the Planet Freedom's inner dimension, the Land of Darkness. Evil Points: Aside from standard kidnapping, conquering, and willingness to kill his enemies, OVA Eggman crosses into truly maddening territory with his latest scheme, which is simply to destroy the Land of the Sky and everyone in it, leaving only himself and Sara as the planet's survivors, left to repopulate the abandonned world with Eggman's own lineage. Good Points: While his evil deeds are motivated by this, it can also be considered a good point that OVA Eggman is capable of feeling romantic love for another person, Sara. And he's actually pretty nice to her- From playing videogames with her to letting her fly his mech, Black Eggman, to buying her a wedding dress, Eggman's one-sided crush on the girl is kind of sweet in a way... if you can get past the wanting to destroy the world to be with her, at least. Personality: What motivates Eggman? Like his Sega of Japan counterpart, OVA Eggman declares that he wants to go down in history and get the recognition he deserves as a genius. This is... contradicted by his plans to destroy the Land of the Sky, effectively getting rid of anyone he'd go down in history for, although his descendants(Who he plans to have with Sara) could be considered this. That aside, Eggman's other big motivator is his romantic infatuation with Sara, and his desire to spend the rest of his life with her. As far as his behavior, Eggman is very... bouncy. He's incredibly hyperactive and energetic, and is brimming with an overabundance of optimistic confidence. Anime: Sonic X Name Analysis: In Sonic X, we do know that Dr. Robotnik is Eggman's real name, as it is in the game series. However, the name "Ivo" is never brought up in Sonic X. Origin and History: Sonic X Eggman's history is something of an unresolved plothole. As in the games, we know that Eggman looked up to and admired his grandfather, Professor Gerald Robotnik, and wanted to be a great scientist like him. ...Which is problematic, because in the Sonic X anime, Eggman hails from an unnamed planet, and Gerald hails from Earth. Eggman is unfamiliar with Earth when he arrives in his adulthood, which indicates that he's either never been there or that he simply does not remember being there before. The latter is probably true, since during the Sonic Adventure 2 adaptation, Eggman remarks "This is the world I was born!" ...Which is also problematic. If we assume Eggman was born on Earth, how did he arrive on Sonic's planet? Why doesn't he remember Earth if it's his planet of origin? These issues are never resolved, leaving a huge hole in Eggman's origin. Evil Points: Sega of Japan's, albeit toned down. Eggman is willing to cause wanton destruction and chaos, although he tends to be more reserved about it than his game counterpart, and his most vile actions tend to only incur after being pushed to his limit. Good Points: Eggman flat-out says it. Harming hostages is beneath him. He considers it a vile practice that only scum would employ, and as a classy gentleman mad scientist, he refuses to let harm come to his captives. Eggman also shows a sentimental side to other characters- When Chris is in freakout mode over having to say goodbye to Sonic, Eggman shares a tender moment with the boy, counseling and advising him on the matter, attempting to make him come to grips with accepting the unavoidable. He would later help Chris return home as well. Perhaps more than any previous versions of the character, this Eggman really has a friendship with his robots. In fact, Decoe, Bocoe, and Bokkun are more like Eggman's surrogate family than his minions. He treats them like people rather than objects, and the four of them really share a mutual companionship that develops as the series progresses. Eggman struggling to cook Bokkun breakfast when Decoe and Bocoe temporarily quit is such a cute example of this, as well as the team's reconciliation. In the end, they need Eggman, and Eggman needs them. And I think this Eggman's strong bonds of friendship are a definite good quality. Eggman's heroism is nothing to sneeze at either. Aside from the same examples shared by his game counterpart, he's also gone above and beyond during the Metarax saga, disguising the Egg Crimson as the Blue Typhoon and willingly taking on the brunt of an assault to let Sonic and his friends escape undetected. This resulted in Eggman becoming fairly injured, including a broken arm(Which healed by the next episode)- Truly a heroic sacrifice. Even his robots question whether he's going soft. Personality: X Eggman, moreso than even his game counterpart, loves to make a scene. He's a very flashy, bombastic character who thrives on fame and showmanship. This is evident in even the earliest episodes, as Eggman takes over an elementary school art class and eggs the children on to draw him in all his splendor. He's just so unpredictable like that- One moment he'll be sending armies of robots to hostilely take over the town, and the next he'll be playing a friendly game of baseball(In full uniform no less) with his enemies. Perhaps this overabundant love for fame and attention reached its logical extreme in episodes 40 and 41, where after attempting to brainwash the populace into admiring him, Eggman revealed his true intentions were to take over the anime itself, turning it into Dr. Eggman X. X Eggman's wackiness is somewhat grounded, of course. He's shown to be calm and introspective at times, as he offers sage advise to Chris, and even philosophically debates the Metarax on sheer principle alone. Eggman's sinister nature is often a front to mask his warm, sensitive side within. As Vector remarked, "He could use an acting coach" in regards to his overdone pretending to be an irredeemable bad guy. Still, he tries to keep up an evil appearance, and won't ever admit to being sweet underneath his sour exterior. (Continued in next post... Could someone make a quick reply so I can make said post? Because if I try to double-post, it says it has to merge the two posts, and then I'll have too many images.)
    2 points
  10. Tornado

    Church rebuffs military concerns on Quran burning

    Quite a leap of logic considering Muslim ≠ Islamic Extremist Then you can call me when all billion of the world's Muslims suddenly end up in Afghanistan shooting at American troops. There is a difference between not liking something that essentially amounts to intentionally-bigoted hate speech and not liking something because it isn't politically incorrect. There is also a difference between opposing an action done by a group which is done out of free speech and opposing the group's ability to do the action.
    2 points
  11. Scar

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    Your childhood is not being abused. Its not like they took S3K and fucked it up. All they are doing is taking a number, and making a game. Thats all it is; 4 is a NUMBER!!!! It doesn't mean anything more than the fact that it takes place after 3. It not ruining anyones childhood. The games from your childhood still exist unadulterated in various forms. If anything, they are ruining the present. Yes its underwhelming, as a so-called sequel, but it doesn't make the classics look bad (it makes them look better) Yes this is the Sonic the Hedgehog 4, and you were allowed to have high expectation, but given the state of the franchise and SEGA, it would only be logical to keep expectations at a moderate level. No matter how much SEGA suddenly started caring, they can't climb back up the mountain they fallen so far down, in a single game. It will taken some time (maybe thats why its episodic) OK pointless rant over. However my point still stans. SEGA aren't ruining your childhood, they are ruining your present.
    2 points
  12. Noir

    Official Anime/Manga Thread

    Except with HotD the director is actually such an enormous idiot that he thinks the show is literally about fanservice. This is Gainax, fanservice has to be in there somewhere, it's their thing, but it wouldn't be too much.
    2 points
  13. Marcello

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    I doubt the game will do that bad in ratings. I'm guessing the worst will be 7's, but it'll mostly be 8's, because to most reviewers it's the return to the classics. Jaouad: How is this being abused as a cash-in? The team is working hard on making a good game for fans. Just because it isn't exactly like them, doesn't mean it sucks. If it was just a cash-in, they would of released the first build. Of course it's main objective is earning money, but to call it a cash-in is silly, imo.
    2 points
  14. Dreadknux

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    Maybe 'contemporary' wasn't the best word to use then, but my point still stands - Sonic Team could have used a completely modified engine for Sonic 2, 3 and Knuckles from Sonic 1 (and, it could even be argued, a completely different one perhaps - like the totally different one in Sonic 4) and it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. The comparison with Mega Man isn't really appropriate. The classic Mega Man games not only used the exact same engine, each entry followed the exact same level structure, graphical presentation, audio direction and even screen design in some parts. Unless you were a fan or really paying attention, you wouldn't be able to tell Mega Man 9 from 10, let alone Mega Man 10 from 2. Sonic, on the other hand, has always had changes to its graphical presentation, musical direction, level design, and - most importantly to your argument - use of engine. Your argument assumes that Sonic 4 should look, act, feel and play like Sonic 3&K/Sonic 2/Sonic 1, when in fact none of those games play exactly like each other at all. And the fact that the engine has remained constant is merely a convenience - there's no benefit to maintaining the exact same engine, because it's use has never been constant. Meaning the use of a constant engine in and of itself is useless. Do you see what I'm getting at? It's an argument that purists are using because Sonic Team aren't coding the game they way they want it to, regardless of the fact that it plays exactly as it should - like a 'Sonic 4'. Maybe I was a bit too basic in that paragraph - I know some guys like you hard-code your own replication Sonic engines. But that research has to come from somewhere. That fan-made physics guide had to have come from somewhere. Investigating ROMs and understanding the code is what the Retro side of the fanbase does. But hobbyist coders are hobbyists, not coders. The distinction is that, more than the science of creating and developing their own engines and worlds, many are simply enthralled with the idea of replicating a 2D Sonic game, or crafting a Sonic-inspired 3D game. Maybe I'm wrong, and sure there are some exceptions to that rule, but if I've made a sweeping generalisation feel free to correct me. Most importantly though, I must have seen a hundred (unfinished) fangames that have tried (with varying success) to exactly replicate the classic Sonic engine from the ground up. You know what? Some of them are spot on, they're great engines. But inexplicably, they still don't feel like Sonic games. They feel like very, very good imitations. Because as I said, it's not just the engine - and in terms of gameplay and the average classic fan (they don't all live on Retro, believe it or not) the lack of an engine isn't even an issue. It's the whole package, and the end result that I (and I imagine many others) care about, not what Sonic Team or Dimps actually did to get there. Sure, I acknowledge there is a very vocal portion of the fanbase that cares about the way the game is coded, but I don't believe that portion represents the majority of (even classic) fans (many of whom don't really go on Sonic fansites in the first place - just ask a shitload of my friends for example). To say it's MD engine or bust just seems a bit overdramatic to me. As much as I love Retro and want to have the babies of many people there... Understanding the codebase and understanding its application in the series' history are two different things.
    2 points
  15. Diz

    I have a question about reputation.

    D'aww ... That is what you got us for, so yush! Being polite and respectful is a very good thing related to reputation points. There are numerous of ways to achieve profit profit profit $$+++ positive reputation points. The following are the ones I have personally noticed: Make efforted posts, show that you are involved and interested in the topic's discussion. Other than being polite and respectful, be helpful to members who somehow ask for help in a topic. Try to include humour every now and then. Giving fellow members a good-hearted laugh gives a comfortable and relaxing atmosphere. Whatever else has been mentioned by other members within this topic. If a member likes a topic or post, it is only natural that they may feel like clicking that little plus-shaped reputation button next to your words. The key, as I see it, is to provide behaviour and content which you feel other members would enjoy reading - perhaps find ways to make your posts unique from others' posts? ;3 As mentioned, reputation points do not mean all that much, reputation points are not always necessarily a sign saying "your posts suck", but that others are disagreeing with your opinion, someone having a bad day, or as Pelly mentioned in her own situation, a misclick or two? X3 Edit: The topic has been merged with the older topic. No need for two open topics about the same subject, yanno. =3
    2 points
  16. Slingerland

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    What defines "contemporary?" What does that even mean in this context? Mega Man 9 and 10 say, "hi." Yes, I'm a hobbyist, but I don't simply pull apart ROMs. You know that, Svend. I'm all about creating a new experience while maintaining the one thing that was never broken. Most ROM hackers/fangamers are all about that. This news (and the way it was first posted) further motivates me to prove that sentiment with something that you can physically experience. What you meant to say was, "I'm not a coder" (in reference to yourself). There are people who do understand it from a codebase level. The largest Sonic forum on the Internet is dedicated to it. And yeah, we're always cool, best bud. I'm always appreciative on how we on staff remain cool despite opinions. I don't get to read that very often. Thanks.
    2 points
  17. jennytablina

    I have a question about reputation.

    Be more respectful of others opinions for starters? Not calling well respected mods jerks? Toning down some of your stronger opinions slightly? As I said before, clearly your kind of young and new to this whole discussion thing. The idea of it isn't to shout over everyone with the biggest text wall about how much you hate something. People also really dislike it when someone steers wildly off topic. Your opinion is valid, but not everyone has to subscribe to it. For example you hate Disney, and some of your reasons I admit are reasonable and understandable, however you will learn in life that nobody is perfect and any company / person / object ect. has it's pros and cons and low and high points. But that doesn't make anyone a "fool", "idiot" or other insulting terms if they DO like that sort of thing. It's true people can turn the other cheek but in turn you too need to learn when to let something go. A debate is only worth having if theres anything left to mention in your defense, if the other person doesn't want to consider your side or you've said your main point. Then it's time to bow out of the discussion. That said sometimes it's good to consider others opinions too. But I already said that in your other topic It's up to you to take heed of the suggestions people already have given you. There was plenty of tips given in the other topic too.
    2 points
  18. Badnik Mechanic

    I have a question about reputation.

    Because it's the only way I can tell if people laugh at my jokes. *looks at recent rep* They aren't.
    2 points
  19. Diogenes

    I have a question about reputation.

    The best way to get a good reputation is to stay cool and not care about those silly numbers. For every justified rep point, there's a half dozen that are nonsense; the number's practically meaningless. And most of the people here are pretty cool, so just be chill and things'll be fine, no matter what the numbers say.
    2 points
  20. Chooch

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    So one of the few people who actually played the game said that it seemed alright. Interesting.
    2 points
  21. Dreadknux

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    *Shrug* I'm just going by the best possible source I know. Myself. And I've had no issues with the physics or whatever. The way everyone makes it sound like, I was expecting broken, 'Sonic-06-on-a-2D-plane' physics. Instead I got a game that felt a bit like Sonic 1, with a tad too many speed boosters and a homing attack. Hardly the massive stab to my heart that I was led to believe it was. Everyone's romanced by this idea that it has to play -exactly- like Sonic 3&K or bust. But it doesn't - and that's not necessarily a bad thing, objectively. EDIT: To wit, if we're talking about physicality and 'feel' of engines; Sonic 2 played, and looked extremely different to Sonic 1. Sonic 3&K played, and looked, nothing like Sonic 2 and Sonic 1 before it. Sonic Advance played and looked like none of the above. But they all played - and looked - damn fine.
    2 points
  22. Detective Shadzter

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=20386&view=findpost&p=502798 I love this guy. He does his job so well *salutes*
    2 points
  23. Dr. Mechano

    Eggmen

    Comic: Sonic the Hedgehog Name Analysis: Formerly Julian Kintobor. He renamed himself Ivo Robotnik, taking his first name from the "House of Ivo", which he was part of. Robotnik, obviously, is an inversion of his former last name, Kintobor. ...And coincidentally the last name of his maternal grandfather, Gerald Robotnik. Origin and History: Julian's childhood is a giant blank spot, unless I'm missing something. However, we do know that after much mistreatment of his own people, he was ostricized from his community and became a fugitive. Escaping into King Acorn's domain, he found shelter, where he became a warlord to the king. Like his SatAM counterpart, Julian betrayed the king, banished him to another zone, and proceded to roboticize the populace. After aging a bit, Sonic and the freedom fighters would rise to challenge him throughout the comic's run, leading to his apparent destruction in issue 50. He briefly returned in issue 108, before being permanently defeated after his molecular structure collapsed. Evil Points: I'll make an abridged list, which I'm sure will still be quite lengthy. Roboticizing the populace, betrayal of nearly everyone he's ever worked with, casually scrapping/allowing the scrapping of his subordinates, the odd murder here and there... Julian is a bad guy. Good Points: It's less pronounced than in SatAM, but early on, he still cares for his pet Cluck. Personality: Julian, in this incarnation, is much more lighthearted than the SatAM persona he was based on. He's more prone to making jokes, puns, and getting sidetracked by minor details (Such as, among other things, not appearing in the storyline as much as he'd like in one issue). He's also somewhat more fun-loving, as he can be seen swimming, playing golf, and other leisurely activities in the comic's run. Despite this, though, he's still cold and uncaring regarding others, and is- like his SatAM counterpart- a character who ruins, pollutes, and commits evil for, by his own admission, evil's sake alone. Cold, calculating, and always planning ahead, Julian's as treacherous as they come. Betrayal's the name of the game when this Robotnik teams up with anyone, so beware! Name Analysis: As this Robotnik's history was mostly the same as Robotnik Prime's, he was at one time known as Julian Kintobor, before renaming himself Dr. Robotnik. The "Robo Robotnik" and "Robotnik Mk. II" titles respectively come from his robotic bodies, and of course, "Dr. Eggman" was his chosen alias with his new body, resembling his game counterpart. Origin and History: Not wanting to repeat Julian's own story, Eggman's backstory was largely the same until he defeated Sonic and company, as well his self-roboticization. He would eventually defeat his version of Sonic completely, but ultimately travel to the Prime universe, which he also sought to conquer. After switching th a new body and dubbing himself "Dr. Eggman", he began his campaign to fully take over the planet. Later, after a test devised by aliens, he was returned to his organic form- Sort of. His body resembled the latest robotic frame he was in, and thus his new organic appearance was that of his "Eggman" shell, rather than the Julian appearance he once had. Evil Points: Same as Robotnik Prime's, plus an added genocide or two. Despite his cheery personality, Archie Eggman is arguably the most evil incarnation of the doctor yet. Good Points: Well, he did try to make a surrogate "family" for himself in the form of M and ADAM. ...He ended up destroying them both, but the guy tried. Personality: If the Eggman of the games is affably evil- a genuinely decent person who simply commits evil actions as a means to his goals- then the Eggman of Archie is evilly affable. The man is devoid of any readily-apparent redeeming qualities, yet is over-the-top, bombastic, and very humorous. This is in sharp contrast to Robotnik Prime, who although was amusing, was more of a focused, "angry" villain. Eggman- in what is perhaps a nod to his game persona- is more giddy and childlike, prancing around merrily and joking around as he kills, maims, and conquers. It's all very much a game to Eggman, the sharp contrast between his personality and actions makes him all the more fascinating. Really, this version of Eggman sort of reminds me of the Joker- A witty, well-spoken, humorous character who comes packed with one-liners and an overall pleasant disposition sharply contrasted with an utter lack of a conscience. Indeed, Eggman commits attrocities, but he has fun committing them. The recent developments of the comic have shown Eggman's sanity on a sharp decline, ultimately culminating in the poor man snapping entirely. What personality development awaits is anyone's guess. Name Analysis: Also known as "Anti-Robotnik." Origin and History: We know little of Kintobor's past, only that he offers medical treatment from his clinic to those who need help. He's long stood against the evil efforts of Anti-Sonic/Scourge before his comic debut. Originally, he resembled Robotnik Prime in appearance. His appearance shift to the thinner and more game-based design has no in-universe explanation. Evil Points: None known. Good Points: Kintobor is a hero in every sense of the word. Although he himself does not actively challenge Scourge and other villains, he protects others from harm, and equipped Buns with a suit filled with nonlethal weaponry. He valiently does whatever he can to help, and is a good, honest person. Personality: Kintobor is a meek, shy, and somewhat unconfident fellow. Kintobor is overly apologetic and concerned with the well-being of others, and dislikes even having to use nonlethal force, as fighting greatly displeases him. He's an extreme pacifist, and hopes for peace and harmony someday. While never mentioned in the comic itself, writer Ian Flynn commented in a question-and-answer session that Kintobor enjoys gardening and poetry, and that these were his hobbies during the period known as "the great peace" prior to Scourge's rise to power. Name Analysis: We simply know him as Mayor Kintobor. His first name is unknown. Origin and History: We don't know much about him- Only that he's been battling the mutated giant monster versions of the freedom fighters utilizing his mechas to keep up the peace. After Sonic assists him in defending his home, he creates a robotic Sonic to assist him from then on. Evil Points: None known. Good Points: Mayor Kintobor is a hard-working and diligent leader who devotes his life to protecting his people. He's quite a heroic genius, but he never lets his heroism get to his head, and like Dr. Kintobor, is a meek, overly-apologetic sort. Personality: Poor Mayor Kintobor. During his only meeting with Sonic, the hedgehog openly expressed a dislike toward the man, simply for looking like his nemesis Dr. Eggman. All Mayor Kintobor could do was apologize for his alternate self's actions- The man is so overly-apologetic that he feels guilty for the deeds of people who aren't even him. If Dr. Kintobor is meek, Mayor Kintobor is a doormat. He always seems kind of gloomy and down- At least Dr. Kintobor would express happiness when the occasion was right. It seems, then, that Mayor Kintobor is a bit less upbeat on the whole, and feels overwhelmingly burdened by his responsibilities to do the right thing at all costs, no matter what. Name Analysis: Despite clearly being a cameo appearance of Sonic OVA's Dr. Eggman, he is only ever referred to as "Dr. Robotnik" in this appearance. Origin and History: Despite being a nod to the OVA, his origin appears to be different as well. Like the OVA version, this Robotnik lives on Planet Freedom, though his hostage is referred to as "Princess Sara", whereas in the OVA, Sara was not a princess, but the daughter of the President of South Island. Evil Points: He wants to conquer the world. That's bad, right? And kidnapping too! Good Points: He's in love with Sara! Aww. Personality: This version of Robotnik appears for all of three panels, so it's hard to analyze him. However, from what we see of him, he's a lot like his OVA counterpart. He's seen as a constantly-grinning, bubbly maniac who openly expresses his desire to marry Sara and live the rest of his life happily with her. We really don't know much else about him. Name Analysis: As this is Archie's version of the Sonic Underground Robotnik, his name can only be confirmed to be "Dr. Robotnik", with no given first name. Origin and History: As with the cartoon, Robotnik's origin is largely unknown, other than the fact that he took over Mobius and kept the aristocrats as they were to fund him. Evil Points: Same as the Underground cartoon. He roboticizes the poor and rules the world with a corrupt iron fist. But he's darker than his cartoon counterpart, and even went on a rampage through one of his cities, crushing everything and everyone in his path, in an attempt to quite literally crush the rebellion as he searched for Sonic and his siblings. Good Points: Whether or not he has the same friendship with his bounty hunters that his cartoon counterpart had remains to be seen- Here, he's far more abrassive and meanspirited, so it's hard to tell. Personality: He's far more twisted than his cartoon counterpart, and much less goofy as a whole. The Underground Robotnik of Archie didn't get much screentime, so again, there isn't very much to analyze. Name Analysis: Her full title is Queen Ivanna Robotina. Origin and History: Hailing from the Luna Zone, Robotina is the nemesis of Sally Moon, and hopes to turn the world's inhabitants into her monster minions via "Monsterization." Evil Points: She turns people into monsters, and is a generally bad person. Good Points: None known. Personality: Robotina has a flair for the dramatic, and is quick to anger. This proves to be her downfall, as she becomes very distracted when delivering an angry rant, letting her guard down to be attacked. Given her appearance is brief, this is all we know about her. Comic: Sonic the Comic Name Analysis: Originally Ovi Kintobor, the kindly scientist renamed himself Ivo Robotnik after his mutation. Origin and History: A kindly human scientist named Ovi Kintobor who travelled to Mobius, an animal-populated world. There, he befriended Sonic the Hedgehog, and after a terrible accident with the Chaos Emeralds, became the mutated evil version of himself, Ivo Robotnik. Since this day, Robotnik has gone on to spread his reign of evil across Mobius, and has made some changes along the way, as well as a second change of appearance(Leading to a design based on his AoStH look). Evil Points: While the Eggman of the games uses animals to power his robots, Fleetway Robotnik uses the humanized animals for the same purpose, and it just comes across as a lot more cruel to use sentient beings as batteries. Ever the opposite of his past self, Robotnik strives for evil and chaos. He has no remorse and genuinely enjoys being a bad person. It's worth mentioning that he also tried to destroy the entire world. Good Points: At best, we can say he has a slight soft side, since he enjoys reading "True Teen Romance." His past identity as Dr. Kintobor can obviously be considered a sympathetic side, but it sadly has been all but completely taken over by his new evil personality. Personality Fleetway Robotnik is absolutely stark-raving mad, and that was before his mental breakdown. Despite the occasional joking nod to a soft side, Fleetway Robotnik is a bitter, angry, begrudging take on the character whose emotional range is usually anywhere between "angry" and "really angry." Even when his minions get him a Christmas present, he shows his appreciation by scrapping them. In the end, Fleetway Robotnik- the opposite of the good-natured Kintobor- only rarely expresses any sort of positive emotion. He responds to affection with anger, to love with hatred, and to a helping hand with an attacking fist. Comic: Sonic X Name Analysis: We know that Dr. Robotnik is Eggman's real name, though as in the anime, "Ivo" is never mentioned in this canon portrayal. Origin and History: The comic makes a handwave to the confusing origin story of the anime, when Decoe suggests that Professor Gerald sent Eggman(as a child) to Sonic's world. This isn't confirmed to be how he got there, however. Evil Points: About the same as the anime, at least for the first few issues. One notable evil deed was using human beings to power his Badniks in an early plot, which compared to his later exploits, was uncharacteristically cruel. Good Points: X Comic Eggman picked the wrong career as a villain, because he's really more good than he is villainous... As with the anime, Eggman and his minions are more like old chums than master and minions. They hang out and goof off all the time, and there's a real sense of bonding between the characters. Early on, we see that Eggman keeps a little Chao garden in his base, and enjoys frolicking around and playing with his little pets. Even though he influences them to be evil, becoming Dark Chao, he seems to genuinely enjoy raising them. Of course, the biggest example of Eggman's inner good side comes during his stint as the heroic sensation El Gran Gordo. Pitted against Andes the Ginormous, Eggman is beaten and ready to tap out before he sees that one Chris Thorndyke is heartbroken and moved to tears by his apparent loss- This gives the man something to fight for: The hopes and dreams of one little boy. His confidence restored, Gordo wins the match in what I consider to be Eggman's crowning moment of awesome. Even though Eggman hangs up his cape and returns to villainy, he remarks that it's fun to escape his life of mad science and be a hero every now and then... Eggman also falls in love with Ella, which is rather sweet. Although the comic's early cancellation prevented this subplot from going anywhere... When Eggman and Sonic switch bodies, what does Eggman do? He actually tries to save the day and be a good guy, rather than use his newfound powes to cause trouble. It seems Eggman genuinely wants to be the hero of the story, but for some strange reason he is too proud to simply reform as himself, having to become a masked hero in Gordo, or to use someone else's body in the case of Sonic. Interesting, indeed. A great example of his unabashed heroism was in issue 38, when Eggman openly attempts to save Station Square from the giant Vector, simply because he wants to be praised and adored as a hero to the people. Selfish it may be, but he was genuinely comitting good for good's sake. If any Eggman could believably reform for good, it's the Eggman of the Sonic X comic series. He walks the line between hero and villain, and leans far more to the former. Personality: Eggman just wants to be loved. Everything he does, whether it's good or bad, ultimately comes down to that. He wants approval from the people, from his minions, from his enemies, and from himself. He craves public recognition, and dreams of being a hero to the masses. His evil exterior is largely a facade- He takes pride in an image of supervillainy, as it brings him fame... of sorts. But deep down he's, like his anime counterpart, a good, kind man who'll do the right thing when it really matters. This Eggman is by far the wackiest version ever- He's always donning crazy disguises and acting a variety of strange parts, and the man absolutely steals the show every time he appears. Despite Sonic's top billing, Eggman was clearly the star of Sonic X, and fumbled his way into our hearts with his zany antics in each issue. Short: Sonic the Hedgehog - Man of the Year Name Analysis: Actually, his name is never mentioned in the short itself, but he's obviously Dr. Eggman. Origin and History: None known. He lives on an island base off the coast of a big city, where (presumably) Sonic lives. Evil Points: Petty and jealous, Eggman is willing to drag Sonic's reputation through the mud to boost his own self-esteem. Good Points: None known. Personality: As a silent character, Eggman's personality is portrayed through his zany actions. We can tell right from the start that Eggman is incredibly jealous of Sonic's fame, and wants to ruin his image in a bout of envious rage. He seems to be rather fun-loving too though, as he merrily bounces around disguised as his nemesis, trashing the city in an extremely jovial fashion. For such a short appearance, this Eggman was definitely one colorful character. Final Thoughts Each iteration of Eggman is quite different, yet they all hold some things in common. Still, I'd like to give my own preferences and thoughts on the concept of Eggman as a whole, in addition to my thoughts on each individual take on the character. I won't lie- My favorite versions of Eggman are the ones who have humanity and depth to them. I like an Eggman with a good side, and also, I like an Eggman who manages to be funny and entertaining as well. I find it rather difficult to maintain an interest in the completely-irredeemable Robotniks, although I do make exceptions to this, such as Archie Eggman, who I find to be an absolutely captivating character despite his immorality (He's just funny enough!). That said, I couldn't order this whole list if I tried, but I will list my top five favorites. 5. AoStH Dr. Robotnik 4. Archie Dr. Eggman 3. Sega of Japan Dr. Eggman 2. Sonic X Anime Dr. Eggman 1. Sonic X Comic Dr. Eggman While the five of these vary a lot in terms of their moral standing, I find they're very bombastic and showy, and display traits I really like to see in Eggman's portrayals. The Eggman of the Sonic X comic will always be special to me, and my favorite of all his appearances, for essentially being what I always wanted the Eggman of the games to be. He's Dr. Eggman with a very open and unambiguous good side to him. And I love that. Still, what are your thoughts on the Eggmen? Care to share? I hope this topic fosters some good discussion on Eggman and his many incarnations.
    2 points
  24. Ferno

    One year ago, SEGA announced project needlemouse!

    To be honest, after the long time with no game announcements after Black Knight, my interests in the boards, and Sonic in general, were starting to dwindle a little. And then came this: Sega sure knows how to get people riled up 'n hyped. I remember almost yelling out loud the first time I saw it on Gamespot. It was awesome, the promise of a new adventure built from the ground up, the sound effects, everything. After that I put "Rejuvenated S-fan" as my member title for the next few days. Good times.
    1 point
  25. Sean

    Miles Edgeworth: Ace Attorney Investigations

    Or they'll just be retarded and only give Phoenix passing mentions as "that guy". Would it have killed the AAI writers to say his name at least once in the script? They way the characters talked about him was so fucking awkward!
    1 point
  26. Sean

    Official Anime/Manga Thread

    Highschool of the Dead is retarded and even though a lot of anime features heavy doses of fanservice, few have surpassed the level of Matrix Boobies. Also, the fanservice gets in the way of the plot, way too much (from what I've read).
    1 point
  27. voice

    Church rebuffs military concerns on Quran burning

    Free speech is a dual-edged sword my friend. Just as they are free to burn the Quran we are free to express our disagreements/opinions about said event. It only becomes opposing when you actively try to stop the event/silence the voice through means such as censorship or violence.
    1 point
  28. PoshAlligator

    Church rebuffs military concerns on Quran burning

    America got pissed when Liverpudlians burnt their flag. So I think it'd allowed for Muslims to get pissed when people burn their holy text. This is the most important thing, basically, ever to them. To them, those are the words of God being burnt. It's hideously insulting to them. Just because you have the 'right' to do something, does not make it 'right'.
    1 point
  29. Silencer226

    Official Anime/Manga Thread

    Well, Highschool of the Dead was good in the beginning, but I'm starting to get bored of it... So I moved on to Shiki. Personally I think Shiki is a lot better than HOTD, and it's actually a little creepy, though animated horror barely phases anyone. Lol, yeah real suttle especially when you see Panty blowing bubblegum in the shape of a .
    1 point
  30. Woun

    Update Japanese Site!

    Yeah! Screens Full Size: ///1/// ///2///
    1 point
  31. Saint Nathan

    Metroid: Other M

    well obviously not. those are her casual/timed escape boots.
    1 point
  32. Machenstein

    Does anyone care about this game?

    Watch Sonic 4 and Sonic Colors tank and Sonic Free Riders redeem the series into another golden age. Stranger things have happened.
    1 point
  33. EXshad

    "Sonic Colours is for everyone"

    Just watching the gameplay and seeing people getting D's in the game, yet still loving it has proven that this game is for everyone. It's good to see Sega finally come out and say that. Now Sega, learn your lesson and don't let Takashi Iizuka talk during an interview. Simply for leading the team that has made a modern, 3D Sonic game look this good, on the Wii no less, he is my hero, but just don't let him talk.
    1 point
  34. Chooch

    I have a question about reputation.

    Oh yeah. Keep this in mind when posting around here and worrying about negative reputation. Think of it as a motto or something. I ain't gonna let it get to me, I'm just gonna creep You'll do fine. :3
    1 point
  35. Detective Shadzter

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    More from RubyEclipse: http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=20386&view=findpost&p=502884 http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=20386&view=findpost&p=502898 http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=20386&view=findpost&p=502954 http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=20386&view=findpost&p=502964
    1 point
  36. Shark Fighter CC14

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Okey doke. I'll be right back with some photos. Edit: Alright, here we go. Once again, apologies for my camera's far less-than-stellar quality. That's all for the contest. Some good art choices.
    1 point
  37. eXtaticus

    I have a question about reputation.

    Find someone else who has crap reputation, and play tennis with them.
    1 point
  38. Scar

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    So this is basically what you're all trying to say: "Its not bad, but its underwhelming as 'Sonic 4'" Am I right in saying this? Also, I'm kinda sick of people saying that the game is a peice of shit. It clearly is not. Its not as good as Sonic 3K, but that doesn't mean its a peice of shit. Its like some people are looking at it as if there are only two outcomes. As good/better than Genesis/Mega Drive, or Garbage. It seems there is little room for an alternative. Especially at retro.
    1 point
  39. Detective Shadzter

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    Stupid banners are already appearing at the SEGA Forums
    1 point
  40. Sean

    Sonic 4 said to have "few to no physics changes"

    Topics merged and stuff. By the way, good job Sega.
    1 point
  41. Glenn

    Classic games that you waited WAY too long to try out

    This year I've been doing lots of retro catching up, thanks to Mahzes who has furnished me with a Nintendo DS Lite (so that's the GameBoy Advance back catalogue, too) and most recently, a PlayStation2 (which, unlike the one that barely survived university with me, actually works). And I've absolutely loved it! In fact, it got to a point where I was taken aback at the gorgeous HD visuals of the PlayStation3, since I'd been playing so much sprite-based Sonic Advance and Sonic Battle, not to mention the GameBoy Advance copy of James Bond 007: Everything or Nothing. Okay, so that might not be retro-retro as many of you would define it (although hey, c'mon, 2004 was over six years ago) but I've loved finding great games for absolute bargain prices and falling in love with them while everybody else talks about the latest CoDding or whatever. Of course, this is all set to change, with three new PlayStation3 games and three new Nintendo DS games heading my way before Christmas (not to mention a couple of Blu-Ray boxsets), but for now I'm loving the catch-up and will always look upon this past year very, very fondly.
    1 point
  42. jennytablina

    Church rebuffs military concerns on Quran burning

    To be honest this entire thing is stupid and actually goes against Gods will (as Christians SHOULD believe). The Bible quite clearly states other people are to be respected no matter how much we disagree with them . Jesus puts emphasis on Loving your Neighbor (and enemy to boot). I'm sure there was some scripture on faiths that was an extension of this but internet searching fails me on this one. All the same, disrespecting people and burning their prized objects certainly is not "Love" : [
    1 point
  43. Noir

    Church rebuffs military concerns on Quran burning

    I'm pretty sure fundamentalist christians are among such things! I really don't have anything to say about this book burning. It's just too stupid to actually say anything about besides "it's stupid".
    1 point
  44. Ekaje

    Metroid: Other M

    This reminds me, if a Metroid 5 is ever made, and it involves being attacked by/running from the Federation, I really want it to have a scan or whatever way to include a log by a GF soldier talking about the Federation's experiments that has, or something close to, this: "The science team must have vapor for brains."
    1 point
  45. Shark Fighter CC14

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Alright, Summary time! That's all she wrote. I look forward to future developments in this new plotline.
    1 point
  46. Saint Nathan

    Church rebuffs military concerns on Quran burning

    "Hey guys! Our religion is so much better, we're grouping extremists and regular people into the same group and trying to offend both!" I want to find this place, bring a hundred bibles, and just torch them in the middle of their burning. While completely nude. With a pentagram on my chest. And just run around slapping people and say "THIS IS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE" to everyone.
    1 point
  47. speedfreak

    Sonic/Star Fox comparisons.

    They can both "use the boost to get through" also!
    1 point
  48. Psyguy

    FANCOMIC: Score Time Rings - Updated 10.29.10

    So, just for the record, we've had Dave work on this and Shannon? It's GG-Sonic-Guys! Anyways, Knuckles still doesn't have a head. Eventually I'll give it back. Maybe.
    1 point
  49. Machenstein

    Christian Weston Chandler

    I have been following this guy for as far back as that PaRappa contest in 2007. A few years later and he still hasn't learned anything. I have been trolled a fair amount of times for stupid things I've said and done, but at least I learned from it all in the end. This guy just never learns no matter how hard he's trolled. It's not even his autism, it's the fact that he is too stubborn to learn from his mistakes. If you read any of the conversations he has had with white knights, you would know how big his ego is. He believes that he is completely without fault and the world is just out to impede his "Love Quest" or whatever it is. I could forgive his other quirks, but he seems to have no remorse for other people. He certainly had no remorse for Megan when she told him multiple times to stop touching her, just to press on until it culminated into him posting crudely-drawn pornography of her on Encyclopedia Dramatica. He intends Sonichu to be this huge multimedia franchise for kids, yet he incorporates pornographic images into his comics. He has no respect for authority when he is the one stalking women at public places and violating the law. He has been kicked out of almost every place in his town. He has started shouting matches with children who are only a fraction of his age over card games. He has posted suggestive images of himself to anonymous women over the Internet which, quite frankly, hurt my freaking eyes. He posts death threats to various people he disagrees with because he doesn't know how else to negotiate with people. He uses religion to justify his actions, as if his Love Quest was ordained by God himself and his "sweetheart" must be white because of this. He tried to pose as Liquid over the phone to win over Kacey when Chris very well knew Kacey was Liquid's girlfriend. Not even can tolerate Chris. And now this crazy fuck has destroyed his PS3 after all the taxpayer money that went into it. That's right, he's a welfare leech too. But on the bright side, he makes a decent meme factory.
    1 point
  50. Saint Nathan

    I have a question about reputation.

    rawr? Trust me, I am not the nicest person. well okay I donate a couple hundred dollars to charity for chistmas. and I adopt puppies from the pound so I can take then to a no kill shelter. and well i'm a loving caring person who only tries to do good in his life and helps people as much as humanly possible. but I make jokes about dead people! yeah! take that scociety.
    1 point


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