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  1. NEW SSMB THEME ALERT. Unlike Sonic, you won't chuckle over the return of 'Knucklehead'! Check it out using the Theme Select at the bottom of any page!
    6 points
  2. Rabbitearsblog

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie - General Discussion

    To be fair, nobody at time was certain that the first movie would be successful, so doing any kind of merchandising for the first movie might have been a disaster if the first movie bombed since they would have put in so much money into the merchandising for the first movie. Now that the first movie proved to be a massive success, there's a lot more effort to do the merchandising for the second movie. Also, IDW probably didn't do any merchandising for the first movie at the time because the Sonic comic book series was still relatively new at the time, so it probably didn't make any sense to promote the movie at the time, when the comic book series was still new.
    5 points
  3. CaptainRobo

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie - General Discussion

    This is kinda unrelated. However, this is probably have something to do with promoting the upcoming movie.:
    4 points
  4. nobukitsu88

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie - General Discussion

    On a similar note, I believe in one interview Pat Casey actually mentioned that the tie ins for the second movie would be a lot bigger (IIRC). With the first one they took what they could get, but now that the movie is a hit, there will probably be more stuff on the national level.
    3 points
  5. Oh god I'm having the stupidiest god damn time trying to pass Terminal Velocity Act 1 and the last stretch with that stupid crab thing is annoying the shit out of me. I used to do this thing over and over on the Wii version, the hell is happening to me.
    3 points
  6. Rabbitearsblog

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie - General Discussion

    Yeah, I can see them trying to put some of their bigger movies on Paramount + rather than some other platform that's competing with them.
    3 points
  7. Rabbitearsblog

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie - General Discussion

    Oh yeah! They were talking about this! I can't wait to read this series soon!
    2 points
  8. FlameStream

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    One thing that may need to change to fit the setting is some of their names. Sally and Antoine in particular don't match the name style of all established characters so far. How would you feel about that?
    2 points
  9. Soniman

    KING K NEVER LETTING ME DOWN

    KING K NEVER LETTING ME DOWN
    2 points
  10. SBR2

    IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog - Megathread

    True but you'll take Bi Eggman from my cold dead hands. XD
    2 points
  11. Mr. Ion

    Would you split Chaotix?

    I prefer them together, they bounce off of each other well, with Charmy as the more child-like fun loving one, Espio as the serious one, and especially Vector as the frontman (I think they shouldn't make his main character trait money but that's tangentially related). Despite that, though, I think if written strongly enough they can go solo. I remember seeing in a YouTube video how Charmy was actually pretty developed, being a prince of a kingdom and having a whole character arc. I think nowadays they should stick more with his established character, but they could still do something like that, use these characters to expand the lore. Another thing they could do is just have different character pairings. Charmy and Tails seems like an obvious choice (Both were flying characters in Heroes and they're both on the younger side of the cast) but why not have, say, Espio and Cream, or Vector and Knuckles, etc. I think there's just a lot they can do with these characters. I would like at least one of them to have a playable experience in a non-mobile game sometime, maybe Vector since we haven't seen a lot of him on the gameplay side (outside of Heroes and I guess Chaotix if that counts).
    2 points
  12. CrownSlayer’s Shadow

    Do you think that SEGA will eventually change the mandates for the IDW Sonic comics?

    Ironically, some of the better stories happened in Archie without IDW’s level of strictness. Even when they got stricter come the Reboot, we still explored characterization of the cast that can no longer be explored come the move to IDW. You can definitely see that with comparisons between Archie’s Shadow and IDW Shadow—the former gets a lot less flak than the latter in discussions. Of course, we all know of the risks that could entail, and we don’t need to beat a dead horse over who took advantage of the looser restrictions that Archie once had. But if I had to pick, it would be Archie’s level of mandates, solely on the grounds that if you put it in the hands of a writer that actually understands these characters it would make way for much more enriching stories and memorable stories, which I’m more likely to get than if they were more mandate heavy. Don’t get me wrong, I loved IDW’s Metal Virus arc (which was supposed to be Archie’s, but I digress), but as intense as that was, it still has yet to top moments like Issue 175 from Archie.
    2 points
  13. SBR2

    What would your ideal Sonic Comic look like?

    A Sonic and Power Rangers crossover. That's it. Boom and IDW make that and it's the perfect comic for me. Especially if Sonic and friends become Power Rangers themselves like the Ninja Turtles did.
    2 points
  14. Rabbitearsblog

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    So, there's been a lot of talk lately about whether or not the Freedom Fighters from the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comic books should come into the IDW comics. For those of you who don't know who the Freedom Fighters are, they were basically characters who came from the Sonic SATAM cartoon series that came out in the 1990s and they made their way into the Archie Comics in the 1990s. For me on the one hand, I honestly don't mind the IDW comics being in a separate universe and staying much more closely to the games. On the other hand, I grew up watching Sonic SATAM and reading the Archie Comics, so I do miss the Freedom Fighters themselves and maybe there is a way that they could come into the IDW comics without being too in your face with the readers. What do you think? Do you want to see the Freedom Fighters enter the IDW comics or are you okay with the Freedom Fighters not being in the IDW comics?
    1 point
  15. Shade Vortex

    I don't care if Metal Sonic is perceived as overrated or overused, playing SCU with t

    I don't care if Metal Sonic is perceived as overrated or overused, playing SCU with this is mod is cool IMO:
    1 point
  16. "I promise i try to do good things but sometimes it just doesn't work out." might as well become my life's tagline these days.
    1 point
  17. Rabbitearsblog

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie - General Discussion

    I do wonder if they are going to get a restaurant tie in like they did for Olive Garden in the first movie?
    1 point
  18. Darn! I missed the Sonic Twitter Takeover! I need to watch that! How was the twitter takeover? Was it entertaining?
    1 point
  19. CrownSlayer’s Shadow

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    Neither does Amy Rose...
    1 point
  20. MetalSkulkBane

    What would your ideal Sonic Comic look like?

    She was in Sonic Battle and Sonic X, to an extend. She's not a full on villain, but she is a thief and should have grey morality. That's when she's most interesting. Otherwise she's just Team Dark's Amy Rose. IDW 32 was a great example of lost opportunity. Rouge I know wouldn't willingly give back Jewel's collection she just stole. But she could for example leave it if she decided rescuing Omega is more important. Or for more humorous effect, Rouge could been caught in act by Jewel, but she would think Rouge really did planned to give them back. maybe even reward her with one of the gems and Rouge couldn't bring herself to finish the theft. (In Flynn's defense I image there simply wasn't enough pages)
    1 point
  21. Zulon Eredas

    IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog - Megathread

    More IDW related rather then Sonic, but going forward IDW will be distributing via Random House rather then Diamond. https://www.gamesradar.com/idw-moves-comic-book-store-distribution-to-penguin-random-house/
    1 point
  22. Chili Dawg

    Fuck yeah got my sexy non chuckling red

    Fuck yeah got my sexy non chuckling red
    1 point
  23. Snowragnarok

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    My idea for their return, not necessarily here but merely in general, was to make them less straight-up good guys and more morally ambiguous, similar to the Repliforce (Megaman) and the Future Foundation (Danganronpa). This could easily make them alternate between friends and foes, possibly gradually devolving like how Repliforce did.
    1 point
  24. Snowragnarok

    What would your ideal Sonic Comic look like?

    SEGA to actually acknowledge it and incorporate elements back into the games (for more than just promotional purposes), for one thing. I feel like multiple comic series would be the best; we’d have a “main” comic of course, but there would also be continuations of past continuities, if only to bring each of those to a satisfying end point. Classic and Dreamcast comics, as some manner of “special”, could work, but ideally, content from every era of the series could pop up in that “main” comic. Heck, look into buying the Archie cast, or even Archie as a whole, to get those characters SEGA failed to secure back.
    1 point
  25. Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon

    WOW, that's the first acknowledgement of Megaman 11 in years!

    WOW, that's the first acknowledgement of Megaman 11 in years!
    1 point
  26. Dr. Mechano

    Going by both Tails and Eggman, living in a building shaped like your own head is jus

    Going by both Tails and Eggman, living in a building shaped like your own head is just what super geniuses do in the Sonic series.
    1 point
  27. Hopefully, we'll get more stories that put Sonic and the gang in bigger risks in IDW, if SEGA lifts up the mandates by then.
    1 point
  28. That, and this crazy thing that happened in 2012. That's when they started cracking down in a noticeable way. Then the reboot happened and all the offending things were removed, and then the book was canceled and the old contract that kept the TV show characters around no longer applied.
    1 point
  29. iambitter21

    looks like a lot of stuff happened while I was gone, I barely recognized this place a

    looks like a lot of stuff happened while I was gone, I barely recognized this place at first.
    1 point
  30. Different people in charge.
    1 point
  31. Mauro Fonseca

    IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog - Megathread

    also shadow openly explaining what he's thinking and emoting is just "solving" shadow by writing an entirely different character altogether lol let characters who don't express vulnerability openly keep doing so
    1 point
  32. Zaysho

    IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog - Megathread

    The takeover is largely just jokes that aren't meant to represent the "canon" and it's probably easier to crack on stuff that are common jokes in the fandom or do funny things with the characters that actual media isn't allowed to do (though I'd believe, among other things, Shadow would have a soft spot for kittens and Sega can fight me).
    1 point
  33. Rabid-Coot

    Sonic the Hedgehog 2 Movie - General Discussion

    I don't think they will be selling things off to competing streaming platforms long term, the easy cash is nice for them but at some point they will have to start supporting Paramount + with content.
    1 point
  34. So I wonder: do you prefer SEGA's more mandate heavy IDW storytelling or the early Archie Comics storytelling without the mandates? Personally, I think both sides have their ups and downs, depending on who's handling them. With the early Archie Comics having no mandates, the writers were free to do whatever they wanted with the franchise and although it lead to some pretty entertaining story lines, it also led to some terrible writing due to how off the wall the storytelling got. On the other hand, with the more mandate heavy IDW Comics, while the stories were finally set in the game continuity, the mandates made it difficult for the stories to become more free with its narrative.
    1 point
  35. Rabid-Coot

    Being a Sonic fan in 2021 is depressing

    You only have to endure it for another 3.5 months.
    1 point
  36. MetalSkulkBane

    What would your ideal Sonic Comic look like?

    Fair enough, some mandates should stay. Just get loosened Honestly, Treasure Team Tango was one of best SU arcs ever and this was probably biggest problem with it. Which is a shame, becuase Rouge rrrreally needs scenes where she is a villain. Just not, you know, letting world die sort of villain. And it's even weirder because Rouge isn't stealing gem for herself, but for GUN. So what, now GUN is okay with murdering neighbor dimension? I mean, it could been fixed so easily. Flynn just had to write so Rouge doesn't know about Sol Dimension dying till like part 4. Then she will pretend she doesn't care because she has a reputation to uphold, but makes it so Blaze does get her gem. It could all be revealed by the end in private conversation with Shadow.
    1 point
  37. Ryannumber1Scarer

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Thoughts time, and I've got catch up to do: SU#2: -I don't really see an issue with the whole 'faker' bit. Sonic tends to tease everybody he meets, and it's not to say Shadow didn't have those moments of rivalry either ('you're not even good enough to be my fake'). It's just a nickname, and I think it generally becomes so accepted because it fits with Sonic and Shadow's dynamic well enough. -I think the reason Sonic has so much faith in Eggman's sanity is quite simple - he doesn't realise the weight of his actions here. Sonic believes this is just the same song and dance between them that they always have - Sonic kicks Eggman's butt, Eggman makes a few cracks, Sonic quips back, I hate that hedgehog, and Team Eggman blasts away again - only this time, Sonic intended to ensure he couldn't run for it. For all of Sonic's flaws, it pretty obvious he didn't want Eggman to just lose his fucking mind over everything they've been through, and when met with the prospect that Sonic's actions have done that, he denies it, and thinks Eggman's just the same as normal. Sonic's still a good guy at the end of the day, he just wants Eggman to get locked up, he didn't want to drive him to the brink of insanity. SU#3: -I'm going to have to completely disagree with Ian essentially making Omega's situation an oversimplification. In Heroes, that is pretty much exactly what Eggman did. He made a gigantic killing machine armed to the teeth, possibly his most powerful creation, and he literally spends his time just protecting a random room with Shadow sleeping in it, mostly inactive during all of it. Hell, Heroes literally has Rouge convincing Omega to join her and Shadow with one simple line - "You're mad at Eggman for sealing you in this room'. Omega might be extremely prideful, and wants revenge by destroying every Eggman robot because of it, but it doesn't change the fact that his motivation for being pissed off at Eggman was because Omega was so monstrously powerful, and yet he was sealed in a room to do nothing for god knows how long. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think it's particularly fair to say Ian has simplified it down by any measure here. -Personally, I never really found there to be a right or wrong answer with the debate Omega and Gamma had. Omega claims that Gamma is outdated, no matter what - but Gamma being an assassin and fighting like such has it's own benefits that Omega's walking arsenal hasn't. Omega is correct that he's outdated, but Gamma isn't useless, and he was more than able to use his environment against Omega. It's important to keep in mind Gamma wasn't trying to kill Omega here, so it's not to say that Gamma under any circumstance couldn't have destroyed or hurt Omega, the fact he can outwit and knock Omega off his feet is proof that if he wanted to, he could probably at least plan a way to do so, but he wasn't trying to, so it's a moot point. -Personally speaking, I'm indifferent to the Gamma/Omega deal. In my mind, it's not a literal infusion of Gamma's soul, nor is it some Piccolo/Nail stuff, it's more like Gamma just opened up Omega's eyes to things beyond Eggman's programming. He didn't give him a literal soul, as much as he gave him the ability to think about his actions and retain agency for himself. In essence, Omega was just freed from his programming and given free will, and something of a conscience as a result, because Eggman's programming comparatively is just to kill, maim, and destroy indiscriminately. He may have had thoughts, but those thoughts were still being guided by what Eggman had programmed, and Omega - as shown by him cowering back from Eggman earlier was still under his control. It's the same deal as Amy giving Gamma the agency to think for himself as well. I admit it's been awhile since I've read the issue, but I've never saw it as a literal 'Gamma has taken over Omega's code or fused with him' - he just gave Omega the ability to think for himself and to choose his own actions in life. His mission isn't raging against Eggman, his mission is to free his brothers from Eggman's control - so he's fulfilled it by freeing Omega. Omega's mission has continued in a different sense (destroying Eggman's operation), but that's never been Gamma's mission, so again - that's clearly a choice by Omega. He chooses to continue Gamma's mission in another way on his own terms. To dip my toes into Mega Man levels of discussion - Omega has been reprogrammed from Eggman's protocols to be able to decide what to do next for himself. For a robot, this is difficult as they haven't had to think like that before, their programming guides them. Omega's talks of feeling uneasy about what was commanded of him and what his purpose in life is from here on out to be is representative of him not knowing what to do without his programming guiding him, not until Shadow guides him to using his power to help others and take vengeance on Eggman, which still ultimately works out the same for me as his Heroes counterpart. I don't see it as Gamma literally giving him a soul, he just transferred over the part of his programming that allowed Gamma to think, feel, and act for himself instead of Eggman. No offence to the Omega fans out there, but his reasoning for working with Team Dark in Heroes was just as simple as 'Eggman locked me and my potential up so I'm gonna wreck his shit', so I don't think him coming to that decision here really deviates from that to any notable degree. Ian recollided the idea of the E-Series robots needing to gain agency for themselves from Adventure, and Omega's motivations from Heroes, but that's about it for me. I don't think he did it perfectly, mind you - but I don't think it's awful or anything either, I'm just fairly indifferent to it. I don't really have much of a preference between this Omega and IDW Omega, frankly. -Generally speaking, I don't think IDW Omega is a good comparison to 'how they could've did this', as is - it's pretty impossible to recollide Team Dark's original meeting in the comics because it's heavily based on Heroes' plot. There's no Shadow clones, no Shadow being rescued by Eggman, no Rouge searching for some hidden Eggman treasure, etc. What we got was Omega laid in storage for over a year, gathering dust while Eggman went with sillier plans, and even had a war going on, and still didn't see fit to reactivate Omega - and then, and only THEN - did he activate Omega, not to kill Sonic, not to obliterate the Freedom Fighters, but to instead go do some petty clean-up job on Gamma, even when Sonic and co were knocking on his front door to kick his ass - which IMO works even better for the context of why Omega's pissed off in Archie - Eggman had more than enough reason to activate him during the war with Knothole, and still didn't do so until the most pettiest of missions. He got activated for cleaning up a mess and that's it, and that had to have stung for Omega's ego. In the regard of setting up why Omega's pissed off and wants payback, I think Ian handled that even better than the games did, frankly. STH#199 -I don't really have much to say in #199 tbh lol. I still think the Charmy & Friends aspect is weird, if only because Espio and Mighty didn't seem to be in a ton of danger, and it still feels just...really weird to read Charmy's childish dialogue with the context of 'this is supposed to be Charmy's growth' after what happened back in #176. -Knuckles finally coming to terms with stopping the Dark Legion for their own good is neat at least. -I feel like the different reactions to the bottleneck can be summed up as Snively, Lien-Da and Dimitri all knowing the true reasoning behind it (To challenge Sonic to an inevitable lost battle). Hell, they probably still had the sense to realise Eggman was too far gone to give them anything that could beat Sonic, so even the idea of 'taking them out one after another' was lost. It's important to keep in mind they have the context that Eggman's lost his mind while the heroes don't yet, beyond Shadow telling Sonic that was the case. -I still find it pretty funny that we got this is Mania so many years following #200: STH#200 -To be honest, I don't feel one shred of sympathy for Eggman in #200. I can understand that this all happening while Eggman is losing his mind can be a bit uneasy feeling, and the shots are to portray this isn't the usual affair of Sonic VS Eggman, but even barring all of the awful, evil shit that he's done in earlier years alone - this is a direct reflection of #175 where Eggman razed Sonic's home to ashes, and tried to kidnap and steal the life energy of his friends to use as fuel, all while mocking, taunting, and crushing Sonic in the process. If I recall, even a good bit of the dialogue is a reflection of Sonic and Eggman's fight in #175, so it's hard for me to feel like this is Eggman getting harshly taunted this time, instead of Eggman is getting his deserved comeuppance for #175 alone. Trust me, I can get feeling empathy for villains in these stories, but in this situation, beyond the fact that we - the readers - are clued in on the fact Eggman is close to snapping - he certainly absolutely does not deserve it in any sense of the word. Eggman dished it out in #175 so now it's his turn to take it. (As a disclaimer - I know you aren't blaming Sonic specifically for this, but I'm just explaining where I'm coming from in regards to feeling bad for Eggman here). -I think credit has to go to how weirdly disturbing Eggman is consistently drawn in this issue. It's most notable during the part where he roars 'HEDGEHOG' during the catchphrase bit. Between the tears, the angry expression, the spit coming down from his teeth and everything else, you can tell Eggman's lost it from visual alone. -Small moment, I love Sonic stealing Eggman's glasses mid-attack. -I could talk about how well done Eggman's mind-snap is handled, but I think there needs to be particular mention to Sonic's looks of realisation and slow denial to seriousness when he realises that Shadow is right. From him going from Eggman to Doc, to Robotnik, and even Ivo. Even the look of shock and horror on his face when he sees Eggman swinging for him, something he rarely, if ever does. I think it's neat that Sonic doesn't celebrate this, other than just to put on a brave face for Tails and Amy. He's legit kind of horrified and left empty and hollow by the notion that he drove Eggman to insanity. He knew Eggman was evil, but Sonic's still a good guy, he never wanted to make someone just...snap like that. -You have to appreciate that Snively made Eggman's padded cell into an egg. What a considerate nephew. -I personally don't really mind that they treat Eggman as if he's always been the one and the same. He essentially has more or less been the one and the same with his prime counterpart's death being the exception, and personally speaking - I think it just works better for continuity and simplicity to treat him as such. The whole purpose of #197 was to basically tackle that and saying that he's more or less 1:1 anyways, and the history still exists between them. SU#4 -I think the reason why Shadow got angry with Omega is when Omega started going on about how he was cleared for active duty and how they now have an edge, Shadow was genuinely intrigued, believing Omega had a plan for dealing with the big powerful panda, only to be given what equates to 'this time ill hit him harder'. Shadow already felt like he failed, so having Omega state the backup plan was 'i'd kick his ass' both angered Shadow due to feeling like a failure himself, and finding it unbelievable that their solution to someone who can disable even his abilities is just 'hit it'. -I don't have much to say beyond the scene with Shadow and Hope is nice, it's cool how they tackle handling failures and how you can take those failures and use them to ensure your success next time. -Well obviously the reason they're called Team Dark is because when a lightbulb goes in the middle of the night, Team Dark can easily replace it. Omega lets Shadow stand on his head, Shadow climbs up and changes the lightbulb, and Rouge...supervises I guess. -I genuinely love that the solution to this story really was just Omega blasting Feist with everything he has. Not only is the line 'I enjoy Plan B!' great, but I love how it was set-up as something silly, only to be the real solution. "What is a ultimate lifeform to a god?" "What is a god to an non-believer?!" -Shadow to Feist, Sonic Universe #4, 2009...probably SU#5: -Sasha's really working hard for her Emmy this year to be fair. -In regards to Manik and Sonia, I honestly always found how it was handled extremely weird. I get having them wiped from history was an awful thing, but I feel like the new situation isn't much better. Their lives have been essentially uprooted and completely altered from the ground up. Lara-Su - for her troubles - lost one of her best friends and is now babysitting her as a five year old. We know it's a very similar situation for whatever other friends Sonia and Manik had because we also know Salma still exists in M30YL. Even in personality, both of them in M30YL seem extremely different to who they were n M25YL. You can still attribute that to the age difference but it doesn't change the fact that circumstances have caused them have extremely different lives, and possibly even different personalities. I always thought it was weird that despite Lara-Su apparently knowing about the timeline shift, she never once mentions how weird it is to have basically lost her friend forever, and instead babysits a five year old variant of her. I understand this is probably overthinking timey-whimey stuff, and the original versions were generic and terrible anyways, but it doesn't make it any the less weird to me. Sonia and Manik might have been 'reborn', but if they're entirely different people with entirely different lives, that still means the original Sonia and Manik are essentially lost forever, replaced by new versions, and that's pretty fucked up IMO. -Mace is Knuckles' brother (Kneecaps) - He's called Mace in the M25YL/30YL era because Penders hated Kneecaps the Echinda. From Mobius Encyclopaedia: You probably don't remember him because both Knecapeon is a dumb name, and because he looks exactly like Knuckles: -It was Penders' idea that Tails and Mina get together. Again - his reasoning was 'Sonic is fast and Mina is fast so therefore Tails would logically get with Mina'. It's creepy and it's incredibly fucking dumb. Even as someone who has Tails ranked high on my favourite character list (With Tails being my absolute favourite until Lost World happened, before he got replaced by Knuckles after) and Mina being my favourite Archie character, this shipping should've literally been made for me and even I think it's fucking weird and comes out of absolutely nowhere. I give credit to Ian to at least making the two have some chemistry as a couple, but it doesn't make it any less odd. -The whole talk of back pain and kicking rockets away makes me imagine an alt take where Sonic just kicks the rocket away and does the Adventure cover-art pose to the hype of millions. -Side note - I think it's pretty funny that even the artists seemed to find Julie-Su's designs in M25YL absolutely ridiculous, given that here, they're reverted her back to an adventurous appearance with shorter hair that's closer to her standard design. SU#6: -I want to take a brief moment to say - even though the idea of Sonic as a king is off, I fucking love the shoulder gauntlet cape he has. It's such a minor, but cool outfit change for Sonic. I feel like you could get rid of the crown and have a neat hero outfit for him. -I think it's interesting how Ian hints that this is an alt timeline that's still effected by the alterations of the past. This timeline exists because Sonic muddled with...something in the past, and even now it's gradually being shaped by what happens in the present, with Sonic remembering that Silver and himself fought during Hedgehog Havoc, even though that hadn't happened back in the original story. It's cool to think that all these different futures are still flowing and shifting by the actions of the past, something we'll see with Dark Mobius too. -Dimitri's still so great in this. It's insane how much Ian improved him as a character. Both in the main series where he's still a villain, and here where he's just grown tired of all the struggles created by conflicts they never even found themselves involved with, and now he just wants some peace and harmony among the few remaining family members he has left. It's a genuine shame we'll never see him under Ian's pencil again. -Part of me feels like Sally disbanded the Freedom Fighters because without Sonic - she knew they didn't stand much of a hope. I hate to be that guy, but Sally was likely just being a realist - Sonic can only just stand toe to toe with Shadow at the best of times, and Shadow's rule happened when the FF were older and not as quick and strong as they once were. Without Sonic, it's likely they would've all got their asses kicked and killed by the hand of a insane and ruthless Shadow. Sally was picking the best option to try temper his madness and ensure her friends and kingdom's safety, even at her own misery. -I get the whole future FF idea being the concept of the story, but I'm insanely disappointed that Mina and Tails are side-lined like this. I wanted to see them kick some ass here. -Silver going from serious to modest, and dorkly awkward is brilliant. You can see the first signs of inexperienced dorky Silver that Archie would be best known for. -Also I guess we just have to settle for echidna maid instead of Abbey revealing she was a secret Dark Legion soldier all along. No. Stop. Come back. (Disclaimer: I know Abbey was the maid for Knuckles and his family, but it's still funny to think about so) -Can we just take a moment to say how stupid it was of that maid to just reveal herself like that to knock out Silver. Like, what did you think would happen? You'd also manage to knock out King 'fastest thing alive' within a split second? -You have to admit, it was real nice of them to let Shadow keep the crown and cape and just pay for new ones for Sonic. I guess Sally gives very generous severage packages. SU#7: -Argyle's cool. Again, pretty neat how Ian expanded this nothing character into a pretty likeable one while keeping the dynamic he and Lara-Su were implied to have in M25YL. -Side note, if M30YL Vector doesn't have a fedora as part of his outfit, then something's badly wrong. -You aren't the only one who forgot Jacque and Belle exists. Hell, their initial lead-in image is coloured like Antoine and Bunnie when it's supposed to be swapped around (Jacque is supposed to have Bunnie's fur colour while Belle is supposed to have Antoine's fur colour). In general, I feel like it would've been cooler if Belle was the sword user and Jacque used Bunnie's cybernetic weapons instead. -Melody's snapping is so utterly ridiculous and heavily dates this issue lol. Thankfully our boy Argyle saves the day with his geeking out over Sonic saying the line. -Tikhaos' existence is absolutely dark and depressing. As you said, imagining what the hell led to her creation makes it all the worse. -The reason why Lien-Da considered Rutan to be stolen from her is pretty simple - she's a criminal outlaw who brutally reinforced Shadow's rule, and even when Sonic took over - she wanted to revive Shadow. The simple answer is she was a wanted criminal and she blamed Sonic, Sally, and the new order of rule for her own misfortunes because she was power-hungry and being King Shadow's enforcer gave her the power she craved in spades. She wanted both the power and Rutan, but she chose the power in the end at the expense of being with her son, and it backfired harshly on her for it. -I have to admit, I feel like it would've been more interesting if they'd swapped the abilities of Melody and Skye. I think it's neat that Melody springs to Skye's defence when Lara-Su questions his flying, but I think it would've made both stand out much more if Skye was the one with super speed and Melody was the one with flight, since it'd help to make them different from their parents, and Skye looking like Tails with Sonic's speed, and him going insane with it and not being able to control it would be neat IMO. It's kind of the same thing I mentioned with Jacque and Belle. -Side note on the Melody/Skye power thing, I like that Ian and co basically had to entirely redesign Melody and Skye, because from M25YL, much like Sonia and Manik, they were even more blatant clones of their parents: Like, Melody is literally 1:1 to Mina here. I swear the design work in M25YL absolute garbage-tier. You can tell the only one Penders really gave a crap about was Lara-Su. -As to Eggman's fate, according to Mobius Encyclopaedia, Ian has said that he hasn't definitively decided upon it, but it's likely the same as the M25YL unaltered timeline (Knuckles vaporised him), however this time - Shadow was the one who kicked Knuckles' ass and brought him back down from power, and not Sonic. Personally speaking, I hate this explanation as it was another excuse for Penders to bolster his shit version of Knuckles, so I like to think that in the altered timeline, Shadow killed Eggman as part of his takeover of Mobius. -The image of King Shadow engulfed in green chaos energy is cool as hell. -The reasoning behind the fridge comic isn't the storyline. The explanation is there's a term coined by TV Tropes for killing off a female character unceremoniously in a male-leading series as 'Stuffed in the Fridge' (or Women in Refrigerator Syndrome as Gail Simone and the DC Wikia calls it): https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StuffedIntoTheFridge The context of this sentence comes from a Green Lantern comic where Kyle Rayner's girlfriend was murdered and stuffed into a refrigerator - which is the scene Penders is specifically attempting to replicate: Now, that'd be all fine and dandy, except the issue is Penders didn't read the comics in question and was just told about it on Twitter or some other form of Social Media, so when he heard about Hershey's fate, he just assumed that's what Ian was doing, he was unceremoniously killing off a female character, and Penders being Penders drew the comic to take the piss out of Ian and score brownie points with Hershey/Geoffrey fans. If he'd read the comics, he'd of course get the context that our only mention of Hershey having died was an account from Geoffrey, who was currently working under and being manipulated by Naugus, and the fact that Ian had planned for it to be revealed that Hershey was actually alive and in deep undercover. So even at this rate, Penders still jumped in without knocking the context and without even waiting for the story to be told in full before doing this. All this to say that the comic is tasteless, bad, and lacking in context, but it's not based on the off-panel present here. SU#8: -I think it's neat we don't know a whole ton about Tikhaos and we're left to fill in the blanks based off the bare info given to us. As said, imagining the details for a scenario that was so awful that Tikal felt she had no other choice but to merge with Chaos is neat. Especially given that Chaos is made up of water, an element Naugus could feasibly control, it doesn't take much to figure out why Tikal might've had to do this... -I have to say I really like how Mina's characterised here. I don't see her being close to Chi-Chi, but I certainly see the way she feels unafraid to talk to Sonic however she likes, regardless of titles and roles being much more like Bulma than anything. Super actually made a point of that at one point where Bulma's visibly shook when Goku dodged a slap from her instead of just taking it like he usually does, since that's pretty much the dynamic they have, even though Goku's that much stronger than her. -I have to be honest and say I don't mind the age of Sonic here and think they handle it fairly well in a fun way. He's still able to do fast action and all that, and he's gained some more wisdom and can act more like an adult at times when needed, even though he still easily slips into that 'fun uncle' attitude as well. Stuff like 'when I was young, ouch' are really fun lines to me. -But even at that, I have to say that the conclusion is lame as hell. I don't like Manik and Sonia being the ones to lay the final hit in on Tikhaos. I can understand the idea of 'the newer generation rising up', and being fair - the only reason they pulled the hit off was because Sonic distracted Tikhaos, but it doesn't change the fact they sort of just screwed Sonic over there to raise up his kids. I think it would've been more effective if Sonic said something like 'Without my super form, I don't know if I'm strong enough to damage the brain', so Sonic, Sonia and Manik all hit it together, it would've done an effective job of showing the kids off as capable while not making Sonic look like a chump at the same time. -The sad expression of regret on Tikhal's face when she's finally brought down is absolutely heartbreaking. It's so sad to see her like this. -I really like the image of Mina getting hyped up, and Sonic & Tails talking about this being like old times, and it makes me wish we could've got more of that in the issue. I really wanna see more Sonic & Tails action here. -Knuckles: The Return is next up, and I'm interested to see what you think of it. To me, it's always been one of the more surprising and underrated Universe arcs.
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  38. Monkey Destruction Switch

    What would your ideal Sonic Comic look like?

    Essentially post-reboot Archie, but without any legal limitations or Sega mandates. So not only do past Archie-exclusive characters get incorporated into the new world, but they even have access to concepts from any other branch of the franchise, including Sonic the Comic, manga, etc. Just like with anything about the reboot, concepts are extensively re-imagined, of course. There's plenty of lore from the pre-reboot Archie Sonic comics which needs to be altered significantly or abandoned entirely. For example, on a base conceptual level, the Dark Legion seems great to me - a group of evil cyborg echidnas? Sign me up! But the execution had plenty of issues. And the Dark Legion would be their own thing again totally separate from the Egg Army (i.e. "Dark Egg Legion" is strictly not a thing). It's also rather important that we have the "old Chaotix" back, including Knuckles, Mighty, Ray, and Julie-Su (can't say I care too desperately about Saffron, though I wouldn't hate her being included either). To be clear, I don't think the post-reboot's way of doing things with Knuckles, Mighty and Ray, and the Chaotix being three separate entities is bad, it's just...the old version of the Chaotix (whether that be just with Mighty and Knuckles added, or with Ray and Julie-Su added too) is special to me in so many ways.
    1 point
  39. Kuzu

    What would your ideal Sonic Comic look like?

    Post-Reboot Archie is probably the closest example to my ideal Sonic Comic. Its not almost completely divorced from the games like in the pre-reboot, but its also not slavishly following them to the letter either like IDW. They had just enough creative freedom to tell good stories but still respected the foundation laid by the games. IDW has the potential to be better, but I can't see that happening if Sega are constantly breathing down the creators' throats and since IDW is more directly connected to the games, they can't make any meaningful changes or progress that could potentially contradict them unless it's approved by Sega. Its way too corporate. That's not to say Ian Flynn or Evan Stanley haven't been trying their best under these limitations, but that's always going to bother me.
    1 point
  40. Kazhnuz

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    Making them something else than being "Freedom Fighter" is a good idea, and something I had not thought of. Yeah, they could work quite well that way, and it would remove the problem of clutter of having two groups dedicated to the same things.
    1 point
  41. CrownSlayer’s Shadow

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    Which is really the point that people have been trying to emphasize from the start, I highly doubt people care more about the Freedom Fighters as a group than they do the characters that make up the Freedom Fighters. You can get rid of the title and the organization and few would have a problem with it, but they still want Sally, Bunnie, Antoine, Rotor, and Nicole as individual characters doing things like the rest of the cast does. You can even give them different backgrounds while still leading them to the same personalities they’re known for. Make Sally a heiress of a fictional Fortune 500 company like a female Tony Stark; make Antoine a prince instead Sally, or have him the son of a famous swordsman trying to live up to his father’s name; have Bunnie a survivor of an attack that made her a cyborg, or a mercenary dedicated to saving lives who lost her limbs in the process (or keep her limbs and have her augment herself with an exoskeleton that’s similar to her old cybernetics); have Rotor a mechanic that either maintains Bunnie’s cybernetics or Sally’s technology, or have him be the CEO of his own tech start-up company that’s changing the world; and there’s far too many different ways you can bring back Nicole to think of without drastically changing her personality. Mind you, not all of these things are something I would do if I were given the opportunity to bring them back, but it’s an idea that can be done in a way unique to IDW, a fresh take on old characters, but done in a way that still keeps them familiar to older fans that recognize them while making them palatable to new fans—who quite frankly wouldn’t care anywhere near as much as the more hardcore parts of the fandom keep making the endeavor out to be.
    1 point
  42. I do wonder just what Rangers will be like. Will it be more serious or will it be more of the same that we have gotten with the franchise for the past 10 years? I guess we'll wait and see.
    1 point
  43. Shaddy Zaphod

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    I definitely do think that if the FFs come back in any capacity they need to be relegated to a faction of their own, that's either involved with a given story arc or not. IDW has a lot of characters to balance and we've already got complaints about Knuckles not being around enough. I do think that not having an ongoing side-series like Universe makes this harder though. That was one way Archie managed to balance and use its enormous cast, even if it wasn't perfect. Maybe if we get to a point where something like that exists we'll have a little more room to breathe. That'd be the perfect place for letting new and different writers stretch their talents, as well.
    1 point
  44. CrownSlayer’s Shadow

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    They can still come back as a similar group at a later period. They don’t have to be part of the Restoration. The most important thing is that they still act reminiscent to the characterization they’re known for, like Amy’s affection for Sonic or Tails being a mechanic. The whole title of them being Freedom Fighters is more the name of them as a collective, much like how the Restoration is itself—we don’t need them as the “Freedom Fighters” than we do as “Sally, Bunnie, etc” as individual characters. As long as Sally retains her tactical leadership and acumen, Bunnie is a boisterous cyborg with an accent (and heck she could even ditch the cybernetics for something else, as it wouldn’t be the first time), Antoine as a cowardly Lion who would still step up and fight things out of his league, and Rotor a weapons engineer, that’s all that matters. They’ve been through changes before, they can go through them again.
    1 point
  45. Razule

    Archie Sonic Main Discussion

    Sonic remade the universe and named the planet "Sonic's World", so the only conclusion is, he's subconsciously even more egotistical than Scourge
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  46. Mr Loopone

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    Yes, no, maybe? If we are talking about the main series, much of the target audience at least for the younger and more casual readers wouldn't know who they are. The ones that do were the ones who migrated from Archie or are die hard fans. It is trickier than it looks because you can't please both camps unless by fluke or very hard work, the ones who want a comic more accurate to the games but has its own flavour and the ones who followed Ian Flynn and the artists over the years who just want to see them again. There could be like a nod say a computer that is branded Nicole or Sonic mentioning that he knew someone called Sally (I don't know if that has happened in the comics), the latter ambiguous enough to either reference the freed animal, Sally Acorn or someone else. That is probably the safest option. If the characters were brought back, that would have issues because the Freedom Fighter fans would complain that they aren't the same characters anymore as they would have to change their designs (again) and parts of their personality to be compatible with the universe. People did complain about Sally's redesign in the past. Even if they were brought back to have the same designs as the late Archie comics, they probably appear in just an arc and no longer the other main characters so they will be complaints whether they get too much or not enough attention. Then again the nature of comic books is that they have more than one universe and that is how the Freedom Fighters can come into play without interfering with the main timeline. That depends on if Sega allows it and I don't think that they would, it probably might be a hard push just to have a Classic Sonic book. If Sega embraces the multiverse as per comic book standards then the Freedom Fighters can come back in both Archie and SatAM flavours (and AoSTH subseries while we are at it, maybe the Fleetway comics too). If character issues weren't a thing, they could really go to town having both pre and post Super Genesis Wave characters.
    1 point
  47. Plumbers_Helper

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    Every character from anything should be available for reinterpretations. Imagine a world where Scrooge McDuck and the rest of Carl Bark's characters were never allowed to appear in anything besides Donald Duck comics. Imagine if Bebop, Rocksteady and Krang were never allowed in anything besides the 87 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon. Imagine if Harley Quinn was only allowed in Batman projects set in the DC Animated Universe. Part of the fun of long running franchises is seeing new interpretations of old characters. If the Freedom Fighters did come back there is a possibility they could have different personalities with new history and that's ok. Different franchises do that all the time. A great example is post-reboot Archie's interpretation of Breezie from Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog. Maybe in this universe Sally isn't a princess, maybe Nicole in this universe eventually gets a robot body and changes her name to Bunnie Rabbot. Have fun, get creative. I'd rather see different interpretations of Sonic's history then to have Sega sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.
    1 point
  48. CrownSlayer’s Shadow

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    Then don’t have Sally as Sonic’s Love Interest (which she wasn’t anyway during the reboot, so I don’t know why people still hold this to her); Rotor actually can be a genius with Tails as Sonic’s partner (what rule says you can only have one?), and you can have them specialize in different areas of technology—Tails for Aeronautics and Rotor for Weaponry; give Antoine a buff in abilities; and give Bunnie some greater depth beyond being Antoine’s wife. Took me 2 minutes to come up with off the top of my head. I’m not sure why people are quick to say no to something and never put any effort into brainstorming alternative ideas. It is really not that hard to do—especially when they already did that with the reboot anyway while still keeping them recognizable. I’m sure they’d be able to do the same with another alternate take on them in IDW as well. One of the biggest changes they could make is simply not calling them the Freedom Fighters and make the characters more individualized from the group—none of them know each other come their introduction, but even by themselves they would still act as we’d expect them to with Sally’s leadership, Bunnies brashness, Antoine’s caution, and Rotor’s inventiveness. No telling what they actually have planned if they get the chance, but this isn’t impossible or even slightly difficult to do beyond Sega being difficult with them about it.
    1 point
  49. Mobotropolis

    Should the Freedom Fighters come back to IDW Comics?

    Nope. And I say that as a fan of the Freedom Fighters. Seems that IDW Sonic is abandoning the idea of Sonic operating out of a central location like Mobotropolis, let alone working with a single team like the Freedom Fighters. Instead he's running from place to place with a rotating cast of SegaSonic Helpers with the occasional Original Guest Character thrown into the mix for good measure. Post-Reboot Sonic, the comic after the Pendering but before IDW Sonic, seemed to struggle with keeping the Freedom Fighters relevant in such a globe trotting adventure. The once-secondary SegaSonic characters becoming more predominate didn't do them any favors. Sally doesn't work as Sonic's love interest as long as Amy is around. Rotor couldn't be the genius with Tails becoming Sonic's partner. And Antoine was outclassed by just about every male recurring character as a rival for Sonic. Bunnie may have worked as a well rounded but obviously flawed bruiser, but Ian struggled with making her anything more than Antoine's wife. Nicole was one of the biggest wins in terms of development; becoming an actual character and a useful one at that -- but she doesn't work as well without Sally or the Nanite New Mobotropolis. Ian and/or Evan could make it work if their arm was twisted, but for how much would have to be changed in a book still trying to establish itself I'd wonder if it would be worth it over just making some new characters. And when it comes to new characters, the only two things really missing from IDW Now are more villains not named or connected to Eggman for Sonic to knock around and some male characters on the Heroes side. Maybe even another original rival for Sonic since losing Scourge was one of the biggest blows that came with the Pendering. Felt the female Freedom Fighters (Sally, Bunnie and Nicole) were better characters than the males (Rotor and Antoine), but we already have enough girls in the recurring cast.
    1 point
  50. My favorite Sonic tidbits: 1: Vector believes in God. The japanese Chaotix manual mentions that he thought that the sudden apperance of the new island was a miracle from God, so he went there as a sort of a pilgrimage. 2: Blaze is embarrassed over her small chest size, as mentioned in a leaked production document from Sonic 06. 3: And finally, pre-pubescent/infant Chao can actually breed, but when they do, the offspring is stillborn. This actually happens in-game in Sonic Adventure during the right circumstances (the game ourright tells you "the Chao is still"). So there you go, the Sonic series contains religion, body-image problems, pre-pubescent sex, and stillbirth.
    1 point


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