Candescence

How would the weapon triangle work there?

Like it would in Warriors or any other action-based game - probably not as big a deal as it is in the main series, but still a thing. Axe users can probably shut down cavalry lance charges, I bet, which are normally critical hits, especially at full gallop.

Though, really, M&B is closer in spirit to FE than Musou in general - strategy, troop permadeath (granted, companions don't die in battle, but still), a mixture of infantry, cavalry and ranged units... M&B also has a much better tangible feel of actually fighting in a grand battle between armies, since units aren't just bowling pins to be knocked down, they're all credible individual threats, though seeing what is basically a simulation of armies crash into each other in real-time is incredible in general.

Seriously, you can plat the game before you even finish it.

I think he ran the joke into the ground as it is.

How much have you played so far?

Gotten up to Flying Battery Zone.

...But I already have Skyrim

Not gonna lie, I sort of like how they handled things with the breakable weapons. I know people can get attached to a certain weapon but there are like a dozen cool ones waiting around the corner like 90% of the time.

Adding more rpg elements into it would just clutter things. It also would just make certain enemies damage sponges... more than they already are.

I'd honestly be totally fine with the way BotW handled things if they just put a fuckin timer on the Master Sword recharge.

most rpg elements are bad, and the durability system worked fine. that's not a trade I'd gain anything from.

@Shaddy the guy But there is a timer...? You need to actually select the Master Sword to see how much time you've got left, but still. Also, completing the Trials basically makes the Master Sword the most durable weapon in the game by a country mile, and all the timers are drastically reduced in Hyrule Castle.

I'm fine with the current weapon system as is, but I wouldn't mind a simple skill system ala the original Deus Ex (proficiencies in different areas) if actually getting skill 'points' was tied to exploration and overcoming specific encounters rather than grinding.

I like the idea of skills, but agree that traditional stats wouldn't work.

I also agree that BotW needs breakable weapons to make this work without full RPG stats. I think the best way to resolve it, though, is just limit freedom ever so slightly. Keep it mostly open, but still restrict access to some areas. That way, you can't get endgame weapons at the start of the game.

I also think that things like climbing, gliding, swimming, etc., should be item-restricted as well so you have to unlock them as you go. For one game the complete freedom aspect was fine, but its not sustainable in the long run.

Another possible change could be having weapons in shops, make weapons rarer to find at random, and increasing the durability of weapons. Enemy weapons, though, would have decreased durability to compensate.


Its a tricky thing to balance, but it definitely doesn't need full RPG stats.

The weapon system as-is is probably the most elegant and natural solution to it all, but so many people have an issue with it by now I don't really feel comfortable with a "Screw you, got mine" mentality here. Something needs to be done to make them feel more comfortable with it all, though I don't think leveling and skill trees are the way to go about it at aaaaall. They can't be lost or adapt to their environment half as well as weapons can for an open world and it's gradual enemy scaling.

@JaidynReiman: we don't need to get rid of the freedom. Freedom was the best part, and it's not even the problem in the first place. It did the best job at making enemies actually desirable in a 3D space, as well. Scale it down a bit for a sense of progression, maybe, but don't lock weapons behind shops and keep skilled players away from hard-to-reach areas with the killer weapons or anything. It's one of the most rewarding things in the series so far.

The problems with weapon breaking that needs to be addressed are:

The fact that people don't like weapons breaking fundamentally

People somehow thinking fighting enemies and breaking their weapons is a waste of time, bypassing the entire reason the system works so well in the process

The rate at which weapons break, and the condition they're shown to be in throwing players off

Hoarding weapons or items en masse under the impression it'd be better to save them for "when they really need them"

Growing attached to weapons with special traits and/or cool designs

And menu management of items (easy fix)

Other than that, it'd just be people who want to run through the game with just one weapon that'd be an issue, though I don't know if that's worth listening to or not

I was fine with it really, I just feel it could have used some better tutorialing to encourage players to not constantly try and save their best stuff for last all the time.  Whether you're okay with the durability system seems to depend on your willingness to have fun and just use what you want to use when you want to use it.

Oh yeah, I definitely wouldn't want RPG elements in Zelda, the lack of RPG elements is one of my favourite things about the franchise.  "What you see is what you get" kinda gameplay that's easy to understand.

Yeah, gonna have to complete disagree here. Gyro controls are nice when utilized well like in Splatoon or botw but where exactly have they actually worked out anywhere else? The One and PS4 controllers, to me, still remain the most solid with their button mapping and external features like (unlocked) Bluetooth and a headphone jack. The Pro controller, while definitely a step up from the joy-cons, has some pretty awkward mapping in place honestly.

Like, if you're playing on a console to begin with you should already be adapted to using analog sticks for aiming.

Also, as a side note, I pretty sure the dualshock has a gyro sensor.

Forgot to put this in DX: Have to say that I personally can't get with the Steam controller either. Those touch pads are way to awkward to use for most means.

if the pro controller had analog triggers it would've pretty much been perfect for most games

The bare few games on the Vita and PS4 that actually use gyro for aiming (one of those being the Vita Killzone game, I think) I've heard positive things about its use there. And the Steam Controller has gyro, with Valve's games having default configs with gyro supplementary aiming that turns on just from touching the right pad, meaning no need for a button for recalibration. Gyro goes great with trackpad aiming.

I can play with dual stick controls, but I still consider them abominable, and only workable with auto-aim, which should be a red flag. The DS4 has gyro, but not even Sony's first-party devs use it - if I did, I wouldn't be using a roundabout method via remote play to play Uncharted and Destiny with a mouse.

I personally consider the Steam Controller to be the proper evolution of the dualshock paradigm - the right trackpad, grip buttons, gyro and dual-stage triggers make it a fantastic piece of kit. All it needs is to replace the redundant analog stick with a proper d-pad (the left pad is fine for analog movement, IMO), make the grip buttons proper buttons instead of part of the case and add two more, and perhaps make the trackpads more concave like Valve's new 'knuckles' VR controllers and perhaps polish up the ergonomics a bit, and it'd be a fantastic general-purpose alternative to mouse and keyboard.