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  1. Alright, as I said last night, I'm gonna start cleaning up the place. It's like we're hoarding stuff in this poor little subforum at this point. Rules for what's being moved, where, and why: Topics about released Sonic games/old speculation: Green Hill Zone, because of course. Sonic Boom TV show topics: Green Hill Zone, because the show isn't a game even if it does have upcoming episodes. Sega/Sega News topics: Video Games, because these topics tend to encompass full Sega discussion versus only Sonic discussion, and as a result are too broad for the subforum. Old Sonic/Sonic Team news topics: Green Hill Zone, because they're Sanic. Random ribble-rabble (hopes and dreams topics/port begging/arguments about already released games/locked threads): More than likely Green Hill Zone, although they could go to trash or somewhere else. I dunno. We'll see as we go! "Well Penth, what is allowed here then?" I'm glad you asked, Hypothetical SSMB Member. The answer is topics about "Upcoming Sonic Games." It's in the title. Main topics for general discussion are already pinned, but to prevent these from ballooning too much and creating huge megathreads centered around a few constantly-engaged participants, keep in mind this rule: New threads for new news. Trailers, screenshots, interviews, promotional tie-ins, leaks and spoilers, anything of major importance should get its own thread for fresh discussion and an easier time on part of absent members to catch up on the latest going on. You've got a whole subforum to talk about Sonic Mania and Sonic 2017 (and Fire & Ice; almost forgot about it). Use it!
  2. E3 is officially here which means companies will be dropping new game reveals and extended previews, including Sega. We're at minimum expecting a glut of information regarding Sonic Forces and a subsequent increase in posting activity and flared emotions. To better prepare for this, we've closed the main Forces and Mania megathreads (and relevant threads of similar purpose). Staff believes megathreads have been a partial sticking point to the way SSMB has worked for awhile. Since they concentrate a lot of disparate discussion under one topic, it not only obscures updates but inconveniences members on discussing the things they're actually interested in, and the ballooning threads make it easier for massive derails to develop. Problematic posts and behaviors also become harder for us to isolate quickly, as when issues span pages specific posts and spats can lose general relevancy over time or just be forgotten/not reported altogether. So, to try and steer things towards more focused discussions and quicker moderation, the "new thread for new news" rule takes precedence. We expect most of the stuff revealed at E3 to get its own thread. Here's what the rule says counts as being thread worthy: "Articles and screenshots that reveal new information, trailers, cut scenes, trade show appearances, promotional tie-ins, interviews, concepts, etc." What of updates after the fact? How do you determine whether something deserves a new thread or should serve as a bump? The rule of thumb will be to reference the thread's subject matter and the date of last posting. Stick to this rule of thumb, examples, and common sense. I and other staff will also be more proactive in monitoring threads and splitting things up when deemed appropriate. Hopefully these measures will allow members to better focus on the parts of the upcoming games they actually care about, to contribute more constructively with far less fighting and spamming, and for us to be quicker on the ball when something does happen. If this works out, we might expand this to the rest of the forum in general. But for now, let's just see how this goes. As I said beforehand, you have a whole entire thread for anything concerning the new games: use it!
  3. In the spirit of the massive cleaning that me and Zaysho just completed, I feel I should streamline the rules topics we've had over the years. So here ya go. Read 'em, comprehend 'em, apply 'em: TOPICS The main pinned threads for each new game are for general discussion: wishlists, speculation, hopes and dreams, "are you happy/disappointed" and all of that idle chit-chat. Do not make extra topics for these. The rest of the forum is for new news, including: articles and screenshots that reveal new information, trailers, cut scenes, trade shows, promotional tie-ins, interviews, concepts, etc.. When making a new thread, indicate the game you're discussing and the main headline in the title (ex. Sonic Mania: Hydrocity Revealed in New Screenshots) The exception to the above are reviews. Reviews for each game should be given all-encompassing megathreads, but only when reviews actually arrive. Do not make these topics in advance. Spoiler megathreads are also allowed per each game. Spoilers are any information about a game that isn't part of marketing and last until a month after a game's release. If spoiler discussion occurs outside of these threads, they must be encompassed in a spoiler box (the "eye" symbol at the top of the post field). Try to keep spoiler box usage to a minimum. BEHAVIOR In addition to not engaging in the negative behavior outlined by the main board rules, do not: Bash consoles/port beg/tell people to buy a console. Complain/joke about the Sonic fandom because of disagreement. It's not insightful to say that fans aren't an opinionated hive mind and thus disagree on things or position yourself as a victim for having a minority opinion. If you can't handle a particular sentiment, ignore it or leave. People are allowed to be hyped or disappointed. Continuously hammer on about a fundamental disagreement in opinion. Repeating that you don't like the art style 5000 times is spamming. You can discuss specifics in certain tangents of discussion, but initiating the same argument continuously is a no-go. Post unsourced rumors. If there isn't a trail leading back to the source of the rumor (4chan doesn't count), it's spam. Joking about this won't shield you. Post unmarked spoilers outside of their respective spoiler threads. Complain about marketing as spoilers. It is your responsibility to engage in your own media blackout. Post the Sonic Cycle. Seriously. Just don't. All of the above will be subject to immediate strikes, suspensions, and bans on sight at our discretion.
  4. When the cooldowns are reduced:

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    1. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      Me and my friend basically have a combo that breaks total mayhem at this point, he goes Doomfist, and I go Sombra. I take down abilities, leaving characters defenceless to his attacks.

      And I swear, there is no greater feeling in this world than constantly deactivating Pharah's abilities.

    2. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      Sombras are getting good now and it's slightly frightening.

    3. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      Don't worry, she's still pretty terrible on console. 

      Well, mainly because no one can aim to actually finish off characters on console, so what typically happens is 

      >deactivate ability

      >no teammates around

      >shoot desperately to try kill the enemy

      >three enemies kill you

      And that's Console!Sombra.

    4. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      Well, PC!Sombra, in the right hands, is a beast. 

      Note, in the right hands. I had one match where I literally kept punching her to death. It was kinda sad.

    5. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      On console, her and Ana are kind of in the same area. Both can be really effective in the right hands, constantly deactivating abilities, being sneaky, EMPing at the right time etc etc, but Ana's problem is most players don't have good aim, especially in High Platinum/Diamond and in Quick Play, and Sombra doesn't have a lot of people bothering to learn her effectively. I've been using Total Mayhem to try learn her because there's more of a safety net there for screwing up, it allows me to learn good ways to flank enemies, and take down their abilities before getting out, or if they're weak, finishing them.

  5. What have you ladies been up to while I've been working?

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    2. DiamondX

      DiamondX

      Nep is ready to beat everyone at MK8.

    3. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      I would actually prefer to cooperate and play Overwatch. I main Lucio, because someone has to keep the DPS dumbasses alive with a friendship circle. Now come over here and let's have a party on the payload.

    4. DiamondX

      DiamondX

      But I don't have Overwatch...

    5. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      This saddens me greatly.

    6. Jovahexeon Fitzroy
    7. DiamondX

      DiamondX

      But I want to get it. Don't know if  PS4 or PC.

    8. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      PC. Faster updates, a working reporting system, and better aim assist controls. Some characters are apparently nigh unplayable on console.

      @Jovahexeon Ace Joranvexeon I don't have Smesh.

    9. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I thought I felt a disturbance in the MK8 force...

    10. Jovahexeon Fitzroy

      Jovahexeon Fitzroy

      @Nepenthe That saddens me immensely. 

    11. DiamondX

      DiamondX

      I'll see. I want to get the game but I'm not that great...

    12. Alex2Beta

      Alex2Beta

      currently procastina--

      HOLY SHIT YOUR HERE!!

    13. Boomer

      Boomer

      Hooray you play a healer.

      I mainly play Mercy.

      (Although I am wearing a Rein t-shirt)

    14. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      xD I got tired of teams never putting a healer on so I started instalocking him. Plus Lucio is super fun to play, and I'm guaranteed a gold medal in something without having to be the best killer. So why not?

    15. Boomer

      Boomer

      I just like people owing me :lol:

      And I mean normally I choose between being tank or healer, way too many people just play DPS...

    16. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      I only like tanking if I've got a got healer who's gonna pocket me. Just stand next to me and I can do a little work as Orisa.

    17. DiamondX

      DiamondX

      What would be a good starting character?

    18. Wraith

      Wraith

      I was bout to take a break myself but I'll say hi to you before I do. Been a minute

    19. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      @Diamond Dragon X Soldier is recommended as the starter because he's a jack-of-all-trades gateway character from traditional FPS games. If you've touched CoD, you'll know how he plays. Plus, he's got some nice abilities like sprint and area healing to give you staying power. However, feel free to try everyone in Quick Play games until you find your niche(s). You should ideally be able to play one single character in each of the four classes.

      @Josh Long time no see!

    20. DiamondX

      DiamondX

      So I have to main 4 characters?

      I played OW once  when it was a free weekend.

      I think I played with Soldier 76.

    21. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      Well, I main Lucio. However, I can be effective with Soldier, Pharah, Reaper, Junkrat, Winston, and Orisa. Sometimes, Lucio isn't needed or isn't working as well as I'd like him too, or I'm just dying too often. Team comps and skill levels can alter the flow of a match on the fly, so to be as effective as possible you need to be flexible. But that's the fun of Overwatch.

      If you want to main only one character however, no one's going to fuss if you main a healer or a traditional tank. xD

    22. Kuzu the Boloedge
    23. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      Overwatch and a Lucio main, two good decisions at once. 

      I love playing Lucio myself as a main healer, he was even my first gold gun and the character I trained to comp with in terms of healing, at least at first.

      But then I realised I'm on console and unless playing with friends, typically end up getting stuck with a team who don't wanna group up because as we all know, flanking on defence is the best way to handle things.

      and that's the story of why I have to play Mercy on Season 6 as opposed to the funnest healer around.

      But yeah, good to see you around again.

      @Diamond Dragon X It's not a case of having to pick mains, but Overwatch is built on team composition and in general, trying to be flexible. Every hero is simple to pick up and have skills that transfer over to other characters, but again, it's all about hero composition. If you want to win, sometimes you have to bite the bullet and pick a character you might dislike or not play who you want to play as in order to help your team. In most cases, if your team runs 5 DPS characters, running Hanzo or Genji, or someone like that typically means your team will likely lose.

    24. Kiah

      Kiah

      Of course you show up when I'm napping as I am absolutely exhausted from working so much...

      The working world is something else ain't it? Nice to see you around here again Nep! ?

    25. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      Hi Kiah! Long time no see!

      And it certainly is. I close again tomorrow. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun.

    26. Kiah

      Kiah

      Closing...that's the story of my life girl. I'm scheduled to close 5 nights this week...

  6. Nepenthe

    The General 'Murican Politics Thread

    So Priebus got fired/resigned and it was announced on Twitter. You can never tell what's gonna happen in a day in Trump's America™.
  7. Nepenthe

    What are your top and bottom 5 Sonic games?

    Sorry to say, but we don't really allow list topics of this nature; this thread should give you a good idea on what kinds of topics we do and don't like to see.
  8. Nepenthe

    The General 'Murican Politics Thread

    I don't think people here understand the gravity of what McCain did. They've been hammering the healthcare bill so many times because of budget reconciliation where you basically get a toss-up on a bill and get to vote on it for 50 Senate votes instead of 60. If it doesn't go to a vote at all, as what has been happening, you get to start it over with reconciliation rules still in play. Instead of doing the Merry-Go-Round yet again, they allowed it to come to a vote in the Senate because they presumed that they finally had the votes to pass it through McCain. However, he said no, against everyone's expectations. That means it's dead for the entire fiscal year (they don't have 60 votes) and McConnell, Ryan, and the rest of their objectivist, obstructionist ilk can thoroughly go fuck themselves. Letting it come to this point was ultimately the best case scenario for at-risk Americans and Democrats, especially since McCain is probably not long for this world anyway. Republicans are now stuck between a rock and a hard place-- They've got nothing to show for all of the theater they've done, and they've further opened the course for a blue sweep in midterms should they try this shit again next year (and they probably will, because campaign promises and their inherent general assholery). So, cater to your deplorable constituents and remind the rest of America that you tried to kill them last year, or actually do the right thing at the risk of your seat in deep red counties? Decisions, decisions.
  9. Nepenthe

    The General 'Murican Politics Thread

    Here's the utterly delicious kicker if true. Basically, they're doing this to force Democrats to potentially campaign on an obviously egregious violation of human decency come the midterms (else they face potential backlash from their own base), hoping the Rust Belt will decry this as the Dems playing (non-white) social politics and vote against them out of spite. So congratulations to Hillary on ultimately being right. Even Republican politicians think their own base is deplorable enough to use this as political leverage.
  10. Nepenthe

    The General 'Murican Politics Thread

    So Trump randomly decided on his own to disbar transgender individuals from military service because fuck them (also probably needs a distraction issue.)
  11. Here's a video showing absolutely ridiculous billiards shots I didn't even think were possible:

     

    1. VEDJ-F

      VEDJ-F

      Aw, he's a Yorkshire lad!

  12. Kids are not gonna be able to draw Infinite's mask. Jesus.

    1. Polkadi~♪

      Polkadi~♪

      Can't steal the OC if you can't draw it.

    2. Lord-Dreamerz

      Lord-Dreamerz

      Even a dinosaur like me barely could. xD

      But with some simplification I managed it.

    3. Pelvic WOO! engine

      Pelvic WOO! engine

      One of the things about the series was making it easy for kids to draw like take robotnik's design for example 

    4. Ferno

      Ferno

      before people pointed out that it was a mask, i just thought it was his head

    5. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Mask?

      I thought he was just ugly.

    6. Nix

      Nix

      that's why he wears the mask @Indigo Rush

    7. Rusty Spy

      Rusty Spy

      His mask is made of the toughest donut steel.

    8. Ferno

      Ferno

      @Rusty Spy

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      i tried so hard not to laugh, fak

    9. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      None of y'all have any chill. xD

  13. I once turned my bird into a gryphon for funsies but he has no wings because he's just that fucking stupid:

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  14. Nepenthe

    Ducktales (2017)

    I'm slowly but surely getting used to the voices, and generally every clip I see warms me up more and more to it. Cautiously optimistic for it!
  15. I have no opinion of IDW or Sonic comics, so have some art of the one fan character I used to not like but now I like again because he has a personality now, hedgehog hate be damned:
     

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    1. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      Maybe you should apply to IDW for a job as an artist? Also nice character 

    2. Wraith

      Wraith

      He looks like ashura lol

    3. Dee Dude

      Dee Dude

      Wow, Scrouge's redesign for the comics looks great!

      (Nice work.)

    4. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      Is that Manic as a stoner or something?

    5. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      @Josh Looool, he actually was based off Ashura! I just made the black parts a darker green.

      @Dejimon11 If they're doing an open hiring process, I might. Although I need to do some comic stuff. Haven't in a really long time.

      @SenEDDtor Missile My hedgie is a powerless 20-year old drunkard who likes black fashion. He is absolutely perfect.

    6. Wraith

      Wraith

      Asura is usually rethought as a saiyanhog type char so this is refreshing

    7. Nepenthe

      Nepenthe

      My hedgie has always been without powers as a basic starting point in any work or RP, aside from basic rolls and things. Makes him more fun to write about or put on an adventure since he can't Saiyan his way out of an issue.

    8. Kiah

      Kiah

      Awesome work as always Nep! :) 

  16. All that emotional turmoil for nothing.

    1. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      No it still is for something. They're pretty much starting over from scratch also people lost their jobs....sooooo

    2. Fusion-Ellipsis

      Fusion-Ellipsis

      They may also not use the freedom Fighters and egg bosses so...

  17. We're well aware of the "fractured fanbase" idea by now, as it's been around long enough and been more blatantly illustrated by past games like ShtH for most people to be aware of it, to say nothing of how often it comes up every single time someone doesn't like something about a new game. However, not everyone is going to respond to it equally, either in the way it's been framed or whether or not it's as valid an idea as is commonly suggested, and without any leads or thorough ways towards more novel trains of thought, I'm not sure what you want us to do with this topic beyond responding to the concept of a "fractured fanbase" itself. I'm also wondering what the hell the forum dynamics have to do with anything that's been said thus far. Aside from the tone of arguably two people, the rest of the topic has proceeded with thoughtful and respectful discussion on the subject and tangential diversions. Praytell, what kind of posts did you want people to make? Seriously, what are you upset about???
  18. If you admit that guns or "edginess" (whatever that means) could have fit their respective depending upon how they had been done, then you agree with me that there isn't much that hasn't been introduced in the games proper that could not have theoretically fit had they been done better, meaning the idea you came in with that a lot of the initial or theoretical concepts that people like aren't equivalent immediately loses some of its huff. They're not equivalent in execution, no; the Werehog as he exists in Unleashed isn't as well-received as, say, Knuckles in Sonic 3. But the actual idea of Sonic transforming into a monster that gets around by swinging with his arms? Fuck; considering the range of design influences on the franchise that includes transformations, monsters, and gods and things, and the precedent of a character that climbs as well as level gimmicks that involve swinging, the Werehog is is by all accounts "Sonic-like," and I wager a gameplay style where you gather momentum and speed through stylish swings and grabs would've been much better received than Knuckles' gameplay in SA2. Concept vs. execution. The really wide strokes you named at the end also don't point to any particularly specific design ideal, and to give you an example of the thing I'm looking for, I'm talking about something reminiscent to an art design book, bible, or list of rules about the specifics of design elements (character, environment, light, etc.) of which a work or series of works must generally adhere to, like the kind of thing you'd get on an animated film. You give me "freedom vs. slavery" and bright colors things as tropes with which to base a work around and I could give you any-fucking-thing that technically fits.
  19. There's an argument to be made about concept versus execution, particularly since Sonic is a product of a time where aesthetic contradiction and nonsense could be gotten away with without much questioning. Sonic is an honest clusterfuck of competing influences, ranging from 20s American animation to a 70s space opera franchise to a 90s Japanese anime that is in and of itself based on an ancient Chinese myth, to 80s and 90s American pop, r&b, jazz, and new jack swing as filtered partially through the lens of a Japanese pop band, with general sprinklings of sci-fi, fantasy, to straight old school adventure serials like Indiana Jones.... I don't even know where to begin reconciling all of this shit into a single doctrine or style. Fuck, I would argue there isn't one, and that there isn't much conceptually you can argue cannot possibly belong in the series that hasn't been introduced already. Even Mario is allowed this benefit of the doubt and it's a franchise with a much better sense of trust and brand consistency than most. Seriously, if you told me a year ago that the next big Mario game would be like 64 but would partly take place in the real world, and Mario could throw his hat- which was now a living creature- onto real humans and take control of their body for specific tasks, I would be like "No, you're fucking lying because this is an absolutely stupid-ass idea. Nintendo would literally never do this, if only because the real world doesn't fit with the "Mario aesthetic." Lo and behold, the shit exists and it's blowing Sonic as a whole out of the water.
  20. Nepenthe

    What YOU think of Sonic Mania

    My general feeling towards Mania is pure apathy. It's a classic game in 2017, one that honestly should've been done by Sega years and years before, if only as a replacement of Sonic 4. Good on it for existing, but we've got Mario running around in a 3D environment where tons of objects and even enemies are stand-ins for traditional power-ups. I kind of want to Sonic as a whole to move on in ways comparable to that.
  21. Old Woman Yelling At Clouds here, but the rows we've had with Forces don't approach the things said and done on SSMB back in 2005 when ShtH dropped, when there were actual topics made back then for the express purpose of singling out a portion of fans and blaming them for the state of things, and they were left open for awhile too, something we wouldn't allow today. Some of y'all just wouldn't survive the forum back then if Forces' reception is bothering you this much. Granted, I don't take too much stock in noting that the fanbase is fractured, because I think the whole concept as typically expressed is intellectually trite and has yet to lead to anything worthy of being called a solution to any purported problem. It never takes into account: - To what extent fans who subscribe to different parts of the fandom do so exclusively and at the expense of all others (did you know that you can be a classic and modern fan at the same time?!) - Overlapping areas of agreement concerning what features different fans want or will tolerate and compromise on, thus ignoring the potential of actually coming up with a game design that would be better liked than what we're getting now (I literally haven't seen a person yet who thinks rolling or less automated physics systems shouldn't come back, even if they're fine with the boost physics) - To what extent hype culture plays in the expression of an opinion at the time that highly valued news drops (people saying "best/worst game ever!" when a new trailer drops usually aren't being literal, and we should do well to recognize that by now) - Changing standards of video game design on the reception of newer games (this typically overlooked when people ask "Why did you like Generations if you don't like Forces?!") - Changing standards of individuals as they, you know, age, grow up, and expand their gaming tastes, like normal human beings - Sonic Team's actual quality output, particularly when compared to any other contemporary game series. When paradigm-shifting titles like Breath of the Wild and Odyssey are dropping the same year, Generations 2 with darkness and OCs attached just isn't good enough. Where is Sonic's Odyssey, and why aren't we demanding it? Seriously, I have never seen anyone go into any real depth on the subject of the fan dynamics at play here while taking into account the extent of various other cultural forces at play on the situation. All noting that "the fanbase is fractured!" does is simply complain about people having different opinions. Well, no shit- look at the variance in games released over Sonic's 3D lifespan. The amount of sheer design and aesthetic choice that Sonic Team has unwittingly offered us over the years was going to inevitably result in this. However, that doesn't mean we can't do much, much better than Forces, it doesn't mean we can't ever get a game that makes more people happier than they are now. Nor should it really matter what people think in the now. We all like something that is contentious (unless you're boring AF), we've all been in the minority, and we should stop giving so much time and energy into trying to constantly make a big deal out of being in the minority. I like the Werehog for Pete's sakes. I don't think you understand, I really like the Werehog. In terms of my participation in the community, I don't care that much what other Sonic fans think about my favorite things, and no one else should either. Listen back to the music, make some fan art of Infinite, create some positivity-only topics (these aren't against the rules; staff won't stop you), go to these other places online where Forces is apparently getting a super positive reception. Don't make yourself miserable for no reason.
  22. Nepenthe

    So why are people calling Infinite edgy?

    Whether or not someone likes using a word in particular has no bearing on the issue of defining what the word is to achieve understanding. I myself hate the term "edgy," because I don't think it's particularly helpful in discourse about the narrative and characters due to the way it's been thrown around at everything and anything any given fan can find distasteful.
  23. Nepenthe

    So why are people calling Infinite edgy?

    We need to work off of an agreed-upon definition of what "edgy" is in the context of Sonic before we even begin to answer that question in a way that rationally separates Infinite from the rest of the pack, and it doesn't help that the word at this point is just a generic joke meme to throw at anything and everything that doesn't smile. So yeah, good fucking luck with this topic.
  24. Nepenthe

    New Sonic Forces - "Enter Infinite" Trailer

    Tails is in the key art as a normal hero, so unless Infinite is Future Tails then that's (unfortunately) not looking likely.
  25. Nepenthe

    New Sonic Forces - "Enter Infinite" Trailer

    Don't forget that Infinite has actually managed to canonically damage Sonic whereas Metal, well, hasn't yet.
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