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  1. Yup. Knuckles fell victim to the same problem, having his naivety flanderized to the point that he becomes downright stupid, same with Big having his simple-minded nature overdone, or Shadow's attitude morphing him into Vegeta The Hedgehog in recent years, etc. etc. It doesn't make the concept of these characters bad, nor does it mean that the flanderization of these characters should fall on anyone other than the people not doing these characters justice. Between several games like Sonic Adventure 1-2, Heroes, Unleashed, the (mainly late-preboot & reboot) Archie comics, as well as most of Sonic X, there has been several forms of media in the series that depicted Amy as a solid character, that was still lovesick & having a bratty temper. More than often than not, the problem is usually bad writers, rather than bad characters.
  2. To be fair, I don't think this is exclusive to Amy Rose, but many Sonic fans have had a tendency to "blame the wrong people," when it comes to some of the problems in the series. I mean for example, how many times have people acted like the issue with Shadow/Knuckles/Silver etc. was the mere concept of some of these characters, rather than the fact that the people writing the stories to certain games completely dropped the ball on the characters? The same thing happened with Amy, where some people felt like the mere idea of her character was wrong & needed to be overhauled, thus leading to SEGA doing what they do best towards criticism & leap to the complete opposite of the extreme, while still having her do next to nothing in the actual games. Amy can still be energetic & lovable (I liked her in IDW's 2nd issue for example), but hopefully we get more of that rather than more of the Amy we've been getting recently in the future.
  3. It's been a while since I've played Heroes, but IIRC, the only time Amy actually left Team Rose behind to chase Sonic was after they had completed their mission of rescuing their friends, which Cream & Big didn't really have an issue with. Hell, lame reasoning aside, Team Rose actually had a good reason to confront Team Sonic in the story mode since the newspaper at the beginning of their story showed Sonic with Chocola & Froggy. In regards to them actually saying it, yeah, that's a line that has popped up recently when talking about the current portrayals of Amy Rose. Most notably in the recent AMA on reddit.
  4. Oh yeah, Cream as Blaze's sidekick kinda works better because of how contrasting the two personalities are, as opposed to Amy & Cream who are the "nice & sweet" girls of the series. Amy & Cream being friends makes sense, but it didn't work as well as other duos in the series. This is one reason why I kinda wish Sticks was in the main series, since she would actually contrast well enough with Amy's personality, that she could work as a sidekick
  5. Oh yeah, I can agree that they've done a poor job on handling the cast. I just feel like SEGA's dropped the ball on Amy as a character since Heroes & outside of her crushing on Sonic less as well as being less energetic in the main games, there hasn't really been much in the way of development for her in recent years, I guess.
  6. In the interest of fairness, I think it's worth pointing out that she was clearly joking with the whole "prison island" scene. She even played it off when Sonic dismissed her efforts. But again, the issue isn't so much her crush on Sonic (which is still there), but moreso how she's not really doing much in the mainline games, despite her character "developing" in recent years. Even IDW!Amy, which I don't have much issue with, one could make the argument that Amy was just as active in the post-SGW Archie comics than she is now.
  7. Yeah. I mean don't get me wrong, Amy had some bad writing in the mid-2000s games (Battle, Rush for example), but Heroes!Amy being only defined by that one scene when the entire game was filled with characters acting like idiots so they have a reason to fight each other is a bit silly to me. She led her own team, kept their motivations high even when they felt like things weren't going well & actually showed something resembling leadership capabilities. And I can't exactly agree with dismissing her Adventure 1 story, just because SEGA dropped the ball on developing it a few games afterwards. Tails & Shadow got similar treatment after a while too, but it doesn't discount their stories & how well done they were. Yeah, she did. Again, I'd consider Sonic Battle to be a better example of how poorly Amy's character was handled, because she had far more terrible moments in that game. Thinking about it, I suppose the biggest issue I have with Amy's character these days is how much they're talking about how "empowered, mature & improved" she is, without really showing it. Lost World she was on the sidelines for the entire game & she spent most of Forces in the background, talking to Buddy. Most of her better moments ever since they started this new direction for the character came from external media, like IDW or LEGO Dimensions, while she continues to do very little in the actual mainline games. It may be a bit too early so I'm not gonna write off this interpretation of her or anything, but if they're actually developing the character, I would like to see her take an active role in the plot again, while still maintaining her positive/energetic personality. Shouldn't be too much to ask for, I don't think.
  8. To be fair to Ian, I think it's moreso making Amy's character in IDW line up with SEGA's vision for the character. Unless I'm mistaken, which I'd gladly admit.
  9. The thing with Amy is that there doesn't seem to be much of a middle ground with her portrayals in a lot of Sonic media. It's either "overly obsessed with Sonic, a temper that gets played up way too often & despite getting involved in the action she doesn't get many moments to shine," or "spends most of the story in the background doing next to nothing, has 1 or maybe 2 lines about liking Sonic & rarely ever getting involved in the action," which SEGA apparently considers a more "matured/empowered" version of Amy. I can only speak for myself obviously, but I've always felt like the best version of Amy Rose would be her post-reboot Archie characterization. She retained most of the quirks of her character as a bubbly Sonic-loving fangirl, but was more than capable of handling herself while also having interests in stuff outside of Sonic. I don't hate the current version of Amy Rose, but she feels incredibly bland right now & the insistence that they've improved her just feels a bit disingenuous to me. To be fair, I can kinda see where they're coming from. She's absolutely a core member of the cast, but Amy has never really been given much focus in the games main story like Shadow, Blaze, or Knuckles have gotten before.
  10. Hmmm...... I don't know about making Amy a sidekick for Blaze (since I feel like both don't really need to stick to the idea of a sidekick/main character thing SEGA has with Team Sonic & even Team Dark), but I will say that since Amy & Blaze are supposed to be friends (I think) I'd like to see the two's friendship explored & expanded. They're basically two polar opposites with a strong sense of justice so there's a ton of untapped potential for story there. All that said, I do love the idea of a game where Sonic/Tails/Knuckles/Amy/Blaze were the main cast with each of them getting some moments to shine.
  11. I also feel like that part of it comes down to Blaze actually having a spotlight role in two whole games, where the most Amy has ever gotten was 2 side-stories in Adventure 1 & Heroes. You could make an argument that Blaze is a more inherently interesting character, but imo it's kinda hard to tell when one has had two starring roles with her character development arc starting & completing, while the other had a character development arc start, before it was dropped in favor of sticking them on the sidelines for 15 years, before claiming she's "matured" without actually showing her character becoming more mature. But I suppose it doesn't matter either way, since Blaze rarely shows up & Amy has been so underutilized lately. I also think SEGA missed the boat on doing stories with Amy & Blaze, but that's for another thread.
  12. Which is a fair assessment, but it also speaks to how people perceive certain characters in the series. It reminds me of how some people initially thought the story of Sonic Colors was a mass improvement over previous titles when it came out because of surface level reasons, rather than the actual contents of the story. At least from what I saw. Boom, IDW (& post-SGW Archie) helped that perception of current Amy being an improvement over her, but I think it also says something that some of Amy's best moments in those continuities featured traits that wasn't too dissimilar from her older self.
  13. Thing is, has she really "participated in the action" lately? She wasn't in Sonic Colors (the console version at least), was completely on the sidelines for Generations alongside the rest of the non-Sonic & Tails cast, Lost World she (as well as Knuckles) was stuck on Sonic's World while Sonic & Tails did most of the action on the Lost Hex & she was playing the role of second in command to Knuckles in Forces. Amy was the most involved in Sonic Forces among her post-Unleashed appearances, but she's been very much on the sidelines over the last few years. Not that she's alone in that regard (I mean Shadow might as well have disappeared from the franchise until Forces after 06), but she has yet to really get involved in the action. I mostly put it down to the writers not really having any idea what to do with the cast outside of Sonic, Tails & Eggman, but Amy felt more involved in the action (or was at least had more scenes) back in the 2000s
  14. Oh man, I am loving these trailers SoJ is doing for Forces. Between the one we got a few days ago & these communication trailers, I am so stoked to seeing how this story plays out Those english trailers can't come out soon enough
  15. Good. It's been a long time since Sonic games have connected with each other, so I welcome SEGA/Sonic Team going back to that with Mania & Forces (helps that I'm looking forward to both games too). I don't see how anyone could just make the assumption that "it's just ST being desperate," either.
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