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  1. Oh, nice. So if those Ivos at different ages are Eggman pulled from different times rather than alternate dimensions, then we can take this is canon Eggman backstory for the games. Even if it's just a small part of the overall show, seeing Eggman's childhood and young adulthood is potentially really exciting.
  2. If I wrote a story set in an AU where Eggman's the good guy, I wonder what I should call his robots.

    "Badniks" doesn't exactly work for a hero, and I feel like "Goodniks" is a little too on the nose.

    1. Wraith


      What's their new purpose?

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Some of them help maintain his (much more environmentally friendly) lab in Scrap Brain Zone, but one of them - Motey the Motobug - will act as Ivo's sidekick and actively travel with him on his adventures, where they'll clash with Sonic and his gang of ruffians.

    3. Wraith
    4. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      That could work well, actually. Immediately evokes the original name, I like it.

    5. charmsb


      botnik/badnik, yeah good suggestion! its really close to the original in all but 2 letters and evokes a sense of loyalty amongst the robots

    6. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      I came up with Egg Patrol, Brobots, Broniks, Budniks, Good Eggs, The Super Sacred Society Serve and Secure Squad and Rover EZs (lolwut). 


      I imagine a good guy Eggman AU kinda looking similar to Mario's: They'd be as clumsy and seldom fit for battle as the Toads are. I also imagine Sonic with a large Bowser-esc figure with a less antromorphic style.



      As do his partners in crime, who take on a Kooplings like role

    7. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Ooh, Budniks is good.

      Sonic's still a little speedy guy, but he's got minions in the form of the small animals. Together, they form a gang of punks terrorizing South Island, who Ivo stands up to.

      Sonic will get more ambitious than "low-level punk" over time. Once he discovers what the Chaos Emeralds are capable of doing to him, he gets power-hungry, forms alliances with other bad guys (like the maladjusted child prodigy Miles, so his gang can get some better weapons) and starts aiming for loftier ambitions as the stories go on.

    8. Dr. Mechano
  3. Are you sure about that. Pictured: A modern-day American cartoon daring to have the traditional version of Rouge
  4. Also, arguably, Sonic spinoff media has had an LGBT character already. It's going to sound like I'm memeing here, but I'm being sincere: It's AoStH Robotnik, canon bisexual. This man has expressed unambiguous attraction to multiple women in the series: Lucinda, Omeletta, an unnamed robot wife, etc. But in the episode "Robotnik's Rival," he's at one point forced to kiss the male Dr. Quark by D.U.F.U.S., one of Quark's robots. Quark immediately acts disgusted, so we can surmise he wasn't into it. But Robotnik smiles and blushes, and it's clear that he knowingly kissed a man and he liked it. My man AoStH Ivo is a bi icon.
  5. Best Jojo, go.

    1. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Mine's Joseph. Josuke gets close runner-up.

      The clever trickster heroes are always fun.

    2. Kuzu


      I'm partial to Joseph and Jotaro, if only because the latter gets a pretty unfair reputation in the fandom for being "boring"

    3. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      I do like Jotaro too, though I feel like he gets more interesting from part 4 onward.

      He's still fine in part 3, just a little dry for my tastes (though he still has his moments).

    4. Mega


      Joseph and Josuke, though only 'cause I don't know enough about Stone Ocean to make a judgment on Jolyne.

    5. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      I'm about 20 chapters into Stone Ocean and I like her so far. 

      She definitely has some of Jotaro's aggressive edge to her, but I feel like she's more expressive and less stoic than he was in Stardust Crusaders. Intuitively, I want to say she's going to rank higher than him on that basis when it's all said and done, but it's still pretty early to say since Stone Ocean has like 150 chapters.

      Her stand's pretty cool too. Very utilitarian and has a lot of potential creative uses.

  6. This sounds less like what anyone actually says and more like a conservative strawman of what a progressive person believes. You're basically arguing against an exaggerated cartoon caricature, not an actual belief anyone holds.
  7. Full disclosure, I haven't seen Rise of the TMNT. But assuming that's accurate, it sounds like her race isn't the issue, so much as the dialogue they gave her. Like, if they used the fill tool and made her white, she'd still be the exact same character that you didn't enjoy. Conversely, leaving her black but writing her differently sounds like it'd solve the entire problem you have with her. Considering April O'Neil was - at the very least - racially ambiguous in the original Mirage comics, I feel like any skin tone would be equally okay for the character. (And it's not like this is the first time the franchise has done this; The black Baxter Stockman of the comics was changed to white in the 80s cartoon, then black again in most subsequent series)
  8. To its credit, Soleanna was also pretty diverse. The city had people of varying skin tones milling about. I feel like Station Square likely would be if it were made a little later. While everyone had the same skin tone in SA1, in Sonic X - which was just a few years later - the citizens had a lot more racial variety.
  9. Having actually watched the new She-Ra, I don't see what the big deal is. The art style is just typical western pseudo-anime, a la the original Teen Titans. Yeah, it has a couple of gay pairings. It also has straight couples too. The characters who are gay aren't solely defined by their sexuality. They have conflicts related to being raised by and indoctrinated into the villain's empire, and dealing with having their perspective changed as a war - the central conflict, not their romantic pursuits - rages around them. But it's got plenty of straight characters too, who are portrayed in just as much of a positive light. One of the heroes is a cocky flirtatious straight guy named Seahawk, and he's easily the best character in the show: Seahawk's Shanty | She-Ra and the Princesses of Power - YouTube
  10. These seem like conscious decisions from the creators, not mandates from some executive. The question was whether these shows were "forced by outsiders" to include diverse characters, not whether they were put in for the sake of representation. Maybe I'm just less cynical, but I feel like it's pretty believable that a creator might - of their own volition without any outside mandates - choose to go in the directions you've described. Don't get me wrong, the live-action Powerpuff Girls looks like hot garbage, but it's certainly not because it has one more black character than the original show did. I also want to emphasize: Every modern media from the west? That makes it sound like any time a black person appears in western media, it must always necessarily be for unscrupulous, cynical, pandering reasons. I just can't understand how you'd come to that conclusion. It feels like you're predisposed to distrust western media that includes nonwhite characters by default, with a statement like this. In the west in particular, we are a fairly diverse society. Our media reflecting that reality makes sense intuitively to me.
  11. Short haircuts on women are commonplace. I don't think short hair is inherently "manly." And I mean, "short-haired women" aren't exactly a minority or a protected class. There's no discourse about the rights and representation of pixie cuts, so putting them in for the sake of "diversity points" seems incredibly odd. It's just a common style right now, and franchises that span long enough will give characters styles that are popular at the time, like Superman's mullet from the 90s.
  12. I feel like we need a point of contrast to understand where you're coming from. What are examples of media that were, in your opinion, forced by outsiders to include minority characters?
  13. "Because they wanted to" is the reason almost any character is created, so I don't really see that as any different from minority characters in western media. Diversity is simply the state of having different types of people. The existence of Nessa, Hop, etc. does result in diversity. That's my point. Yes, I agree, creating a character of [x race/gender/sexuality] just for the sake of them being that thing with no thought to their personality or individual traits is bad writing. But coming up with detailed character concepts and then saying, "You know what? Some of these fleshed-out character ideas I have will be minorities/women/LGBT" is totally fine, even if it is a conscious decision for diversity's sake. As long as the character's good, I don't see any harm in intentionally making some of your cast more diverse as a conscious move. It doesn't take away anything, and can be helpful to have positive examples of sometimes-maligned groups depicted in entertainment media.
  14. I find this to be a vexing example. You're saying Japanese media doesn't really care much for diversity (and truthfully, Japanese media is less diverse overall, as is Japanese society), then cite Nessa - an example of how the Pokemon series has gotten more racially diverse than it used to be. The original Red and Blue version had a cast of light-skinned characters (who were likely intended to be Asian, as the game takes place in the Kanto region) with little else. Whereas today it's really not uncommon to see black characters like Nessa or tan characters like Hop and so on in the series. I don't really understand what you mean. If anything, western cartoons have entered an era of extreme cutesiness in the past decade - with softer, rounder, brighter designs than the more angular styles of the 00s or the more stiff, realistically-proportioned look of many 80s action series. A lot of western cartoons are emulating anime specifically, as well, so there's a lot of overlap now. I think that all Sonic characters - regardless of gender - are usually written with fairly one-note personalities in most of the games. But those notes are still pretty varied. I'd argue that Amy's problem isn't that she merely likes Sonic, but that - in some older games - her character largely revolved around those feelings, and she wasn't given many other interests outside of that. Rouge is arguably "sexualized," but I don't think that's the same thing as being objectified. Rouge is a character with agency who lives life on her own terms. I think it's arguable that she (and Omega) have been kinda consolidated into being Shadow's cheerleaders more than independent actors in their own right in recent times, but that's not really due to her being a woman in my opinion. Other than that, I dunno. You have Blaze, a leader. You have Wave, the brains behind the Babylon Rogues. You have Cream, who despite her cutesy demeanor is actually absurdly tenacious and strong. I think the Sonic series drops the ball with characterization at the best of times, but at the very least, it has lots of different kinds of women rather than pigeonholing them into a single stereotype. Women, minorities, and LGBT people exist. Depicting them in our media makes sense, and even Japanese media has been gradually following suit. Plenty of Japanese video games and anime today have characters of other races, gay characters, trans characters, etc. The Japanese-produced Sonic X - created all the way back in 2003 - still had fairly diverse humans. The world's got lots of different kinds of people. In a lot of ways, it's just more interesting to reflect that in our fiction. In Sonic's case, it's really no different - with the minor hangup that humans other than Eggman have been AWOL for a while, so the question of humans of other racial backgrounds may be kind of a moot point aside from spinoff media like the live-action movie. But it'd be totally feasible to reflect diversity in other ways, be it in the games, the IDW comics, the upcoming Sonic Prime series, etc. And I don't really feel uneasy or threatened by that. I think it's fine? Uh... Little late to the party on black and Asian people in Sonic. They've been here. And why would having a lesbian or trans character necessarily be a bad fit for the series?
  15. In the Sonic X continuity, how did Eggman remember looking up to Professor Gerald if he was totally unfamiliar with the human world when he arrived there?

    X implies that Eggman has lived on Sonic's world for as long as he can remember, as he knows almost nothing about Earth initially. Yet he vividly remembers his grandfather.

    I don't think the show ever explained this. The only thing that'd really make sense is if Eggman was born on Earth and arrived on Sonic's planet during his early childhood, but this aspect of the story is left entirely in mystery.

    1. JezMM


      I'm sure I remember there being a major scene where Eggman realises that this is the planet where he was born, but beyond that I don't feel like it's explained how he ended up on Sonic's World.

    2. jungle_penguins


      I think it was him discovering Gerald's existence when hacking™ for GUN's robot info...no wait, how does he know Maria then? Maybe it was a repressed memory.

      And they never explained the 2 capsules mystery either. The show was meant to be 52 episodes so it seems like they never had an answer.

    3. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Maybe the other capsule was supposed to be a young Ivo, and instead of falling to Earth he somehow warped to another dimension?

    4. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Actually, how does the dub compare with the original Japanese script?

    5. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      I don't remember the dub super well; Just that Professor Gerald kept being referred to as "Dr. Robotnik," which while not wrong did fan the flames of that widely-spread misconception that Gerald was "Classic Eggman."

    6. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Not far off base for how younger folk process things. When I was 5 I rationalized the different design between Sonic 1-3's Robotnik and AoStH's Robotnik is that he was 'game' Robotnik's son who died at the end of Sonic & Knuckles and was out for revenge against Sonic

    7. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Yeah, I remember kids at school saying similar things about Mario; "Bowser is King Koopa's son."

      The cartoon version of King Koopa did outright call himself Bowser in a couple of episodes of AoSMB3, but most kids probably missed that and just saw two very different-looking characters, so they weren't sure if they were supposed to be the same.

    8. JezMM


      I think, in Sonic X continuity, the second capsule contained Emerl - might be wrong on that though.


      Also I'm reminded of Episode 49 (or somewhere around there) where Chris confronts Eggman in his final little makeshift base before they leave Earth.  Before official fansubs were available and amateurs were taking cracks at translating key scenes by ear, everyone got really excited because someone thought that Chris said "I am Eggman" during that scene and it began wild discussion about Eggman being from the future and Chris being his younger self.

    9. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      In the Sonic X comics, which are of course of debatable canonicity to the TV show, Eggman says that Gerald "sent [him] away from Earth."


      No clue if this was Archie writer Joe Edkin's own idea or if he got this from some Sonic X writer's guide or something, but as far as the comic goes, Gerald himself sent Eggman to Sonic's world through some means.

    10. jungle_penguins


      Emerl was found in an Eggman base thing. It's possible Eggman stumbled upon a capsule but I think it's more likely Emerl was found back in Sonic's dimension and left in storage.

      There's a crackpot theory that the second capsule is Sonic but there's not much proof to it.

    11. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      In Sonic X it really wouldn't make sense for it to be Sonic since he's not even from Gerald's world.

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