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  1. Why does Amy chase Sonic with her hammer at the end of Sonic's story in Sonic Rush?

    She doesn't seem angry. Like, she rushes up to him with hearts and then just starts brandishing her weapon for no real reason! 

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    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      gotta beat him into submission

    2. Dr. Mechano
    3. Crow the BOOLET
    4. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      Because she needs to run with her hammer out to do the hammer jump over him, duuuh!

    5. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Mashing the male with a giant mallet is part of the Mobian Hedgehog mating and fertilizing ritual

    6. Wraith

      Wraith

      he turns and runs and she takes the hammer out in response

    7. PC the Hedgehog

      PC the Hedgehog

      Because she's an unhinged lunatic.

    8. Ferno

      Ferno

      I keep forgetting that Knuckles and Amy were technically in Rush

    9. AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      She's tired of him running away.

  2. When I was a very young child, I thought Space Ghost and Racer X were the same person.

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    1. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      I mean....I can see why you would think that 

    2. Ferno

      Ferno

      I thought he was batman without the ears for awhile as a kid

  3. Sonic Underground: Make an entire Sonic cartoon premised on Sonic and his siblings playing in a band and using the power of music to fight Robotnik

    And then every song other than the opening is terrible.

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      - Premised around finding their mother

       

       

      - Never found her

    2. Celestia

      Celestia

      Ok but you can't deny that one and only(?) time someone other than the hedgehogs sang was fire

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KggcEdDbjIg

    3. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      And then every song including the opening is terrible.

    4. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      Well, the Green Ninja isn't exactly required to be a good vocalist. /j

  4. Eggman releases a monster...

     

    ...and legit becomes its friend. No betrayal, no counter-betrayal, no mechanizing the monster a la Time Eater. Eggman and the monster just bond over similar goals and become buddies, then use some evil teamwork against Super Sonic in the finale.

    1. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Infinite. 

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Eggman kinda betrayed Infinite though, didn't he? He sucked him back into the Ruby instead of truly working with him.

    3. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Still won't change the fact that the monster will disappear without a trace and Eggman will still be the final boss 

      (You killed my friend, your going down)

    4. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Doesn't have to die.

      Defeated semi-depowered recurring ally for Eggman.

      I guess Infinite could have been that, but eh.

    5. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      They would either become a better character than Eggman and deserve better than being his lackey, or they just become another Metal Sonic and become just another lackey. 

      Working for Eggman sucks man. Just ask Orbot and Cubot, they fucking hate working for him, and he created them.

      You have to be a supremely shitty person to have everything you create, hate your existence. 

    6. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Cubot likes Eggman, actually. Both official profiles and his dialogue in Team Sonic Racing attest to this.

      One official profile from around the time of Lost World put it best: "Orbot dislikes Eggman but is very loyal to him. Cubot likes Eggman, but isn't very loyal to him."

      The vibe I get from that is that Orbot's a hard worker who resents Eggman, while Cubot's the slacker who comes into work late all the time who thinks he's the boss's friend. He likes him but isn't super committed to actually doing a good job.

    7. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      That doesn't really reflect how they act in the games. They both are pretty upfront about not liking him.

    8. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Nah, in TSR we get this exchange.

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  5. The very idea that Eggman could lie to Shadow about him being a robot and he couldn't instantly think of at least half a dozen ways to test that claim is incredible.

    Does Shadow need to eat or sleep or go the bathroom? I mean, even if he can't because he's a special lab experiment or whatever, he could totally go see a doctor and get x-rayed or something.

    This was a seriously short-sighted plan.

    1. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      The more you spend thinking about plot points in this series, the more of a headache you're going to get. 

    2. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      he's a meat robot

    3. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Wait, Shadow TOTALLY needs to sleep!

      In Sonic Battle, at one point Rouge says Shadow is in the back of her club taking a nap!

      Robots don't "sleep" in the conventional sense; they might need to recharge or something, but they don't take naps. That alone should've totally given away that Eggman was lying, right?

    4. Speedi

      Speedi

      What did Eggman even stand to gain from lying to Shadow in the first place? It's not like Shadow at any point considered joining Eggman's side even with amnesia. Maybe it was just to mess with him, but Eggman strikes me as someone who wouldn't just do something like that to be a dick.

    5. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Shadow's too edgy to commit to basic needs like food or going to school or the doctor

    6. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      Or, instead of saying he's a full-blown robot he could have gone with "clone". Then he could have just said the Shadow Androids were just mass produced at a lower expense because they were easier to make then Shadow clones. Or he wanted androids first and then decided to move onto making a clone.

      I dunno doctor. That sounds better than just rolling with Shadow thinking he's an android.

    7. DanJ86

      DanJ86

      It's even worse when you notice the Shadow androids attack by vomiting missiles...

      And people give Knuckles grief for being gullible.

  6. The worst part about S3&K compared to vanilla Sonic 3 is the S3 midboss music being replaced with S&K's even for the S3 zones.

    The S&K midboss music is fine but you can't beat "WHOO! C'MON!"

    1. AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      I always thought that the minibus music was just an extension of knuckles' theme.

    2. Cuz

      Cuz

      (Briefly imagines Vanilla in Sonic 3 and shakes his head.)

    3. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      I like the compromise made in the mods where you can have the S3 midboss play just for fighting Knuckles, to make it stand out more as the climax of he and Sonic's rivaly throughout the two games.

       

      You know, seeing how the SK midboss and the beta/PC music were made by the main composers, and sound more in line with the rest of the game... I gotta wonder: what if Michael Jackson got to compose for the whole soundtrack? They'd have his music would play in western copies of it, while the original soundtrack plays on Japanese copies ala CD. What would that sound like?

    4. PC the Hedgehog

      PC the Hedgehog

      I love both of them. The S3 version is delightfully funky, and the SK version is delightfully sinister. Honestly, though, I think I like the SK version a bit more. Fits the typical classic Sonic boss music vibe a lot more.

      @AWild No.1 washed up gamer It took me decades to realize that they had the same baseline melody.

    5. Azure Blue Tori

      Azure Blue Tori

      I think S&K Mini-Boss music may be better than the Boss theme, actually, except for the fact that Red Eye at the end is the only one that's remotely difficult.

    6. pppp

      pppp

      Sonic 3 Complete and Sonic 3 A.I.R give you the ability to revert to that.

  7. Chauvin has been declared guilty.

    Good.

    1. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      My mom sent me a text informing me of it.

      That's really good. 

      I've been a lot more frightened of the police nowadays, for obvious reasons. I hope I don't end up becoming a statistic because of some unfortunate hand of fate. 

  8. My favorite fake Sonic leak was back in 2008, when someone claimed Unleashed's final boss was going to be a "Were-Eggman" where Eggman turned into a walrus.

    1. PublicEnemy1

      PublicEnemy1

      I thought that was a fever dream.

  9. If Eggman can just instantly make Infinites with the Phantom Ruby, then why was he growing Infinites in tubes in a lab? 

    1. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      I'm convinced that Infinite was meant to be an experiment like Shadow but Eggman created him for evil unlike Shadow being made for a force of good. 

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      So was the official comic backstory of Infinite joining Eggman just fabricated memories or what?

    3. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      Because Sonic Team screwed it up.

      Infinite was originally supposed to be a creation of Eggman's specifically designed to make usage of the Phantom Ruby's power. That's why the penultimate level of the game has Sonic say this is where Infinite was created, and why Amy comments on how he must've felt so alone being created in such a bleak place.

      Sonic Team later changed the backstory at the eleventh hour to instead have Infinite be a regular jackal who gets humiliated by Shadow, and offers himself up to Eggman as a test subject for the Phantom Ruby. This was so poorly done that it was only explained via the Forces tie-in comics, and the Episode Shadow DLC (which were done near the end of production I'd imagine), while the main game wasn't altered to reflect that, leaving Infinite's backstory a contradictory mess.

      As for your question specifically - I don't think Eggman can create infinite copies of Infinite. Infinite was the one using the Phantom Ruby's power, not vice versa. The reason Infinite vanishes is because Eggman tears the Phantom Ruby from him upon another defeat by Sonic and the avatar, deciding to just use the power himself instead of leaving it up to Infinite. The quick and short answer is Infinite needs the Phantom Ruby to live, and Eggman effectively killed him by taking it.

    4. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Maybe the tube grown were artificial prototypes that maybe gave better results than the phantom formed Infinites- whose efficiency let him instead have them as fail-safes in the event of the practical vessels' absent. The final "draft" of Infinite being powered by a real "Mobian" jackal proved most satisfactory in harnessing the Ruby's full power, with Eggman having the convenience of hiring Jackal Squad. Upon hearing the team's decimation, he brought in the one survivor to don the Infinite gear Darth Vader style, with the "promise" that it'll help him take revenge on Shadow and CO.

    5. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      @Ryannumber1gamer was that confirmed?

    6. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      @Dejimon11

      IIRC - not officially, but yes. I believe the leaked original Forces script had more concrete details on Infinite being a Eggman creation.

    7. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      they way i interpret it, the episode shadow backstory is real, infinite was originally just a normal jackal. but after getting his ass beat, his need for power and control led him to agree to let eggman experiment on him. this involves the flesh-and-blood jackal ceasing to exist and his essence/soul/consciousness/whatever coalescing around the phantom ruby prototypes, creating a new "virtual" body that can better harness the ruby's powers and doesn't have all those mortal weaknesses. the other tube cubes are failures to bond the two properly or just undercooked.

    8. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Gotta love the lack of consistency.

  10. I do like Sonic Colors for breaking Eggman's "3D final boss curse" where he'd always play second fiddle to some other villain, consistently from Sonic Adventure all the way to Sonic Unleashed. Seeing him as the big bad in 3D was historic.

    But eh, I'm just not wild about the boost gameplay. 

    1. Soniman

      Soniman

      But then like every good thing Colors did Sonic Team had to ruin it by copy pasting the boss two more times 

    2. Guy Strong

      Guy Strong

      Besides that I think Colors honestly had the best final boss in the series (gameplay wise anyway), so much so sonic team held onto it and went on to reuse its template for every single game to come afterward totally overstaying its welcome and becoming super stale.

      Seriously it's like the one boss fight they got right and couldn't manage to come up with something in the same vein without a complete copy paste of what the egg nega wisp was.

    3. Guy Strong

      Guy Strong

      Ninja'd by Espio av

    4. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Right, I agree.

      I'm definitely cool with Eggman being the big bad of Lost World and Forces. I just wish he'd had an all-new original mech for each of those battles.

  11. In SA1 Tails crashes his plane repeatledly but there's a reason each time; unstable power source, being shot down by the Egg Carrier, and not having landing gear.

    Then in Shadow the Hedgehog, in what's probably a callback to Adventure, he just kinda crashes his plane in Circus Park for no reason. It's great.

    1. Nast

      Nast

      i can tell from the timing of your posts that you watch raocow and i just think that's kinda funny (and cool)

      also yes to your observation, it's pretty transparent what they were going for

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Oh man! Yeah, seeing him play through all the Sonics has been a fun time so far.

    3. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      I always thought it was supposed to be because of the fireworks that go off right by his plane. It's not animated well so it was always just a speculation.

      I want to go back and play through all the Sonics again too.

    4. Soniman

      Soniman

      Just finished SA1 myself and moving onto SA3, I guess everyone is going through sonic withdrawal lol

  12. I think my favorite part about the 2016 Sonic announcement event (which revealed Mania and Forces) was when someone on stage went "You guys excited for Sonic Boom: Fire and Ice?" and then like, one voice from an otherwise silent crowd goes "Whoo!"

    1. TheOcelot

      TheOcelot

      best part was when classic Sonic appeared in the Project 2017 trailer

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      I mean, at the time I thought that was a good sign.

      "Whoah, is this Generations 2? Generations was good, so how could this go wrong?"

      Ha ha... haaaaa...

    3. OwlEyes

      OwlEyes

      Hey speaking of which - anyone have any idea where the 30th anniversary parties will be?

    4. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      If only this was how Bethesda E3 2019 conference went

    5. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      This status was brought to you by Totinos.

    6. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      @Dr. Mechano I find it so interesting that you thought that "Generations 2" was a good thing. Like, Generations 2 would have been much better than what we actually got. But still, my immediate reaction upon seeing Classic Sonic was basically "oh fuck off". I've never been so disappointed that I didn't record my reaction for something! Pretty sure I let out a very loud, totally disdainful "what" at the sight of him being the "help" instead of a wealth of other characters. Generations always felt like one-time deal, a special treat that wouldn't feel right to do again. Forces ended up being kinda like a Generations 2, except worse in every conceivable way. Such a mess...

      Anyway, the best part of that whole came when Mania launched, and we learned that they put the infamous buzzing into the ending of Studiopolis. The stream was a hardcore nightmare (and m wasn't without one or two big technical goofs for the live audience either) but the Easter Egg was brilliant.

    7. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      @Blue Blood

      I mean, you can see the logic, yeah?

      If "[Game]" was good, then "[Game 2]" will probably be good too. Obviously bad sequels exist, but my train of thought was basically "I like this thing, so I'd therefore like more of this thing."

    8. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      @Dr. Mechano Sure, I see the logic on a surface level. But the whole concept of Sonic and Classic Sonic teaming up, potentially to revisit past locations, was a very meta premise and one that was obviously done as a means to celebrate the series' history. Doing that again so soon after Generations was always going to be a terrible idea.

      "I like this thing and it was a nice idea, but it's got no legs and its novel premise needs to rest a while before its brought back up in a meaningful way." Not everything needs a sequel. Sometimes a sequel is a bad idea, especially if that sequel fails to understand why the original managed to succeed and instead feels like a cynical cash grab. Generations 2 as a premise is like all the direct-to-video Disney sequels of the 2000s (Mania 2 made made up of old levels and no new characters would fall into the same category).

    9. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Eh, I'm looking at it more as a game first. Game 1 was fun, Game 2 could also be fun. Obviously when thinking about artistic merit we can get out into the weeds about whether something "needed" to be made but just as a fun experience I wouldn't have minded a Generations 2 if it played well.

      Don't get me wrong, I want a Mania 2 with all new stages. But a Mania 2 with reused stage themes (the levels themselves would still be new, strictly speaking) would still be fun, so I'd probably still like it.

    10. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Whilst gameplay will always be the most important factor, a huge part of the appeal is the artistic merit. A game might still be fun, but I can't divorce the two concepts. That's partly why Mario games stagnated so much during 3DS and Wii U era (and the Wii era to an extent), and why Sonic games are stagnating right now. 

    11. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      "This will be a brand new experience!"

    12. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Yeah, but I don't even think Sonic games are particularly good in the gameplay department either. Sonic games are stagnating because they're bad games.

      Mania being the obvious outlier. Though I'd argue even on an aesthetic standpoint, the game is really charming and has a lot of personality despite its relatively simple story presentation.

    13. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Oh sure. Sonic is stagnating because the games suck and there's only so much mileage you can get out of "hey guys remember the good old days?!" which is 90% of Sonic's output in the past ten years if you discount the laughing stock that was Boom.

    14. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Eh, I mean, they've tried plenty of new things.

      Wisps and the Avatar from a gameplay stance, Deadly Six and Infinite story-wise... These new things just generally weren't well-received. But they definitely weren't resting on 90s nostalgia either. They're fresh, new bad ideas.

  13. Lava Shelter is like

    Hero Mission: Openly try to kill Eggman
    Dark Mission: Pretend to help Eggman but then try to kill him

    It's literally the same result but I guess the treachery makes it more evil

    1. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Ah, but don't you see? The neutral path is a fine line of potential consequence and whatnot.

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      I also like that the "neutral" ending is Shadow murdering a guy and then declaring that he and a bunch of androids are going to take over the world. 

      Very normal neutral thing to do. 

    3. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      I guess cause it's neither for humans or the Black Arms.....eh? Eh?

  14. When I was a kid, I don't think I understood the concept of animal control service, so I thought dog catchers in cartoons were just criminals who kidnapped dogs.

    1. Waveshocker Sigma

      Waveshocker Sigma

      I mean, depending on where you live, that's technically not wrong...

  15. I like that Eggman refers to the Egg Pawns as his boys.

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    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      He also refers to Team Rose as boys, so he may have difficulty with the concept.

    2. Soniman

      Soniman

      To be fair Big could count as two people so with half the team being boys in sheer body mass Eggman isn't incorrect 

    3. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Scratch that. I totally overlooked the fact that it was actually Metal Sonic and not Eggman who made that mistake.

  16. I really think Scourge's dimension in Archie had total missed potential. Sonic as a villain is still an active combatant; But Eggman's dimensional counterpart - while still likable - is relegated to the sidelines.

    Imagine Kintobor being a freaking full-fledged fighting hero, using his mechs and gadgets to fight Scourge. Keeping Eggman's bombastic mannerisms but channeling them toward a more positive end; triumphantly laughing as he saves the planet.

    It would've been amazing.

  17. The "Link is dead in Majora's Mask" theory doesn't make any sense.

    In Twilight Princess, a past Link - specifically the one who experienced Majora's Mask as a child - is depicted as a full grown adult skeleton. He died as a grown man and this is indisputable.

    1. Wraith

      Wraith

      Anything about Zelda beyond what's explicitly confirmed in the games is just up to interpretation at this point.

      I'm pretty sure hyrule historia legitimately floats the idea that termina isn't actually real and was a projection of Skull Kid's loneliness.

    2. JezMM

      JezMM

      The most non-sensical thing about the "Link is dead" theory is that anyone would find it to be the more interesting theory over taking the narrative at face value.

      Let's take one of the most intricate, unique and melancholic Zelda narratives and forcibly re-interpret it into the most cliché non-literal interpretation in the book.

      If I recall as well, all the stages of grief in this theory referenced use the whole overarching plot of each region as an example of the stage, except for bargaining which shoehorns itself in by saying "that one (10 second long) bit where Darmarni asks Link if he can use his magic to revive him".

    3. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      the hero's shade is also depicted as a wolf. a ghost can be whatever he wants.

      not that i take the "link is dead" theory seriously in any way, though.

    4. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      The "Skull Kid imagined everything" thing wasn't from Hyrule Historia either. It was from Dark Horse's Zelda Encyclopedia, which - while it is an officially licensed product - contradicts other statements from Nintendo themselves, who have - in manuals and official guides - over and over called Termina a parallel dimension to Hyrule.

       

  18. I don't keep up with pro wrestling, but I just learned that there was an actual recent WWE storyline where a wrestler left, and a suspiciously similar wrestler arrived in his place - a masked luchador named...

    El Gran Gordo.

    The prophecy has been fulfilled.

    Archie Sonic X Issue 26 | Sonic News Network | Fandom

    1. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      Oh yeah this was back in October. I lost it when I saw it live even Ian Flynn acknowledged it 

       

  19. A reboot would be worth it if it meant Eggman got to wear a cape again.

  20. Man, I remember in 2017 being 10,000% sure that Infinite was going to betray Eggman. Everything about his design, attitude, and general "vibe" just seemed to telegraph that to me.

    And then Forces came out and he just... didn't? Like, I'm not complaining necessarily (though I do have my issues with how Eggman himself was written), I'm just genuinely surprised that the obvious foregone conclusion didn't happen, given the franchise's history with characters similar to him.

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      they've been making a clear effort to avoid that sort of betrayal twist. colors had nobody around to betray him, gens reveals him to have been controlling the monster all along, lost world had the d6 betray him but right near the start of the story and then he takes control back right at the end. only seems fair given how many times they let some other baddie steal the spotlight from him before.

    2. Wraith

      Wraith

      I guess it makes it unique from the other games but now I just don't see the point in Infinite. He's a more antagonistic presence than Eggman throughout the entire thing but then Eggman gets final boss privileges for seniority reasons. 

    3. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Yeah, but Infinite was the first character since Colors who had that "00s Sonic villain" look to him. He was basically a pointier Mephiles, so that's kind of what I went into the game expecting.

      Book, cover, etc.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Mephiles never "betrayed" Eggman, because he never worked for him to begin with, he was independent. 

      And while I understand that they didn't wanna reuse that old plot point...it also kind of undermined Infinite. Because he was just pushed to the side, he gets no type closure because they had to make way for Eggman to be the final boss. 

    5. PublicEnemy1

      PublicEnemy1

      And since Ian Flynn said that Infinite was off the table and he said WAY before that he's not allowed to use characters that died in canon, something tells me SEGA just decided to off Infinite entirely, not even given closure to what actually happened to him.

    6. Stasis

      Stasis

      Remember when Infinite was 100% Tails?

  21. Honestly, the Avatar could've just been Tails and I think people would've been mostly fine with it conceptually? (even if in execution it's still kinda bad)

    "Character who does Sonic-ish platforming with a mix of weird gadgets and tech" seems like a viable Tails gameplay style.

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      tails without flight isn't much like tails at all, and flight's a hard ability to account for. plus there's no denying that being able to make and play as your own original the character appeals to a lot of people, more than just playing as tails again.

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Eh, maybe being able to temporarily hover or descend slowly could still get the general feel across without totally breaking the levels, I dunno.

    3. JezMM

      JezMM

      I can see it, but much like when people say this is what they should've done with the Werehog and Knuckles, I think there'd still be a significant amount of people who would be upset that he can't use his trademark abilities in leiu of new ones.  If I recall, Hover only shows up in 2D segments too so it's not like you could just say the gameplay would be the same but with Hover available at all times - it'd be frustrating to not be able to fly during the whole 10 minutes of Sonic Forces that takes place in 3D segments.

      Won't lie though, when we got that first Forces trailer and they did the "even heroes need help sometimes" thing, I really thought they were gonna do a Sonic & Tails themed 3D platformer. Classic showing up was such a bummer even though it at least promised something as fun as Sonic Generations again (a promise they failed to keep, natch).

    4. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      I don't think having a basic glide or something in this case wouldn't be fine. Though to be honest it wouldn't matter as if you can't make the gameplay style fun, then forsaking a trademark gameplay won't be forgiven. Kinda like how shite he is in the Sonic Boom games.

    5. Wraith

      Wraith

      it doesn't play anything like tails and they don't fill tails's role in the story either

    6. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Making your own custom character is a lot more appealing to the target demographic than simply playing as an old character, which is something mainly older fans care about. 

      That and the Avatar plays nothing like Tails. Its a similar conception about Knuckles and the Werehog. 

    7. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Controversial as it is, I think if Forces ditched Classic Sonic altogether and focused instead on a dichotomy between Sonic and your fancharacter, it might have left a stronger impression. Less dev time devoted to making C.Sonic work and giving him a handful of levels could have bolstered everything else. 

      It's all a what-if scenario, but personally I'd be curious to see how that could have affected the end product. I might have given it a spin, then.

    8. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      That said, I see what Dr Mechano is getting at. If, from the ground up, there was a Sonic & Tails game where Sonic played like usual and Tails focused on his various gadgets ala SA2, ShTH and, well, Forces (with a flight ability), we could've gotten a pretty neat experience, presuming some level of consideration and a lot of polish.

    9. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Indigo Rush I can assure you that is not a controversial opinion at all. Almost everyone agrees that Classic is the weakest part of the entire game and could have been cut with no issues. 

    10. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      The controversy was more towards putting more focus on the Avatar. I know half the fanbase wants Classic Sonic's head on a popsicle stick 

    11. Kuzu

      Kuzu

       I mean the Avatar is also similarly considered the best part of the game lol. Its probably the most imaginative idea they've had in years. I don't care about it PERSONALLY, but I fully understand that it was very popular with its intended demographic

  22. I'm mildly annoyed by fans who conflate dimensional counterparts with the character they're based on.

    Like people citing the scene of Sonic rescuing Percival in Black Knight as a great "Sonic and Blaze" moment; Whether they interpret it as romantic or platonic or whatever is irrelevant because that's Percival, not Blaze. 

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      it's percival and it's blaze, that's kind of the point

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      They're still separate entities with different experiences.

      Sonic Runners actually even had storybook characters interact with their "prime" counterparts, including an event where Eggman captured King Shahryar and then disguised himself as Shahryar. 

    3. DanJ86

      DanJ86

      If the counterparts kept appearing in the occasional game, it would've been nice to see them fleshed out further. But I can't blame anyone for seeing Blaze as Percival since we fans are more familiar with Blazes story and not Percivals.

    4. Cuz

      Cuz

      Eh I can't really begrudge anybody that gets tripped up by that distinction, because honestly that was one of the biggest barriers between me and engaging with the Story Book games. I'm hurting for main cast to be used, and they pull something like this. 

    5. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      Classic Knuckles
      Modern Knuckles
      Boom Knuckles
      Arabian Knuckles
      Medieval Knuckles

    6. Wraith

      Wraith

      the idea is that she's close enough to blaze that blaze would react similarly if put in the same situation. 

  23. Human/Animal separate planets is and will always be dumb.

    1. Polkadi~☆
    2. Crow the BOOLET

      Crow the BOOLET

      Humans are animals too... 🤔

    3. SonicWind

      SonicWind

      Agreed. I'm not a fan of that.

    4. StaticMania

      StaticMania

      Until it's not

    5. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Human and Anthro harmony:

      The Virgin Sonic the Hedgehog vs the Chad Animal Crossing + Crash Bandicoot

    6. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      There is no not.

      Dumbness is eternal.

    7. Sapphirine Wind

      Sapphirine Wind

      Tbh, at the least they could have mentioned it from the start/when SA came along.

      It's still silly nonetheless, but knowing about it would have kept it from looking like a pointless retcon that complicates things (if it was planned that early, anyway).

    8. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I do wonder who ST thinks they're appealing to with decisions like that.

      Did anyone look at this series about a blue hedgehog that breaks the sound barrier and go "Ok, I dig it. But don't mix the animals with the humans society. That'd be crazy"?

    9. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      They didn't mention it when SA came along because I'm certain they didn't have it in mind back then.

      SA1 has Angel Island. A person in Station Square references and remembers the Little Planet incident from Sonic CD. Ancient echidna architecture is all over the Mystic Ruins.

      Clearly they were meant to just be the same planet back then.

    10. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      If only. Apparently, Yuji Naka came up with that idea around the time of SA1?

    11. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Then he either didn't tell anyone or didn't enforce that idea at all.

      Like, unless the train from Station Square is a SPACE TRAIN that goes to the Mystic Ruins which are on Sonic's world, explaining the presence of Angel Island and the echidna ruins.

    12. Ferno

      Ferno

      I love worlds like these

      06a8472d-8f7a-40c4-af50-fb2eddde27bf?bas

      animals, people, everything in between, all on equal footing

      The Dragon Ball universe is similar to that as well

    13. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      AoStH got it right all the way back in 1993. Humans, animals, and weird bizarro creatures who weren't quite either.

    14. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      @Strickerx5 I'm convinced this is a overreaction to 06...again. Like the whole multiple characters thing. People didn't like the execution of one thing because it was shitty and Sonic Team just burns everything to the ground instead of attempting to fix it.

      Unleashed is the outlier there, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if the whole "traveling real life locals" concept was already too far into development or the reaction was just delayed. Either way...yeah, I think it boils down to 06.

    15. G-Force

      G-Force

      It can't have anything to do with Sonic 06 because Sonic X was obviously built around it, and the last episode of X came out in 05.

      If it is an overreaction to something, it's probably the Adventure games and the whole "why is Sonic surrounded by humans now?" backlash.

    16. Soniman

      Soniman

      If they're gonna stick with it I wish they'd make some interesting lore with it but they don't even do that, it's not even brought up in the games period, so dumb 

    17. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Oh, you'll get over it. 

      de62027b4758e96e58e5dce1cc622ad6--disney

      I seem to recall all you fans saying that "every single human in Sonic sucks except for Eggman."

    18. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      @Soniman I thought they had something going on with Sonic Riders ZG with the reveal that the Babylonians were actually aliens that crash landed on Earth thousands of years ago, explaining the existence of walking talking animals alongside humans.

      If they wanted to do a "two worlds" thing, they could have it that their original planet was "Mobius" or something, and that ended up being the mysterious planet that Sonic and friends warp to on occasion. 

      But can't expect Sonic Team to come up with anything that creative, apparently their story writing peaked with Sonic having a talking sword and telling a magical girl "it's okay to die sometimes".

       

    19. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      @Supah Berry

      Nope. I was defending humans even before we had any idea they'd be gone, and I have the receipts.

       

  24. All this arguing about Space Jam, when Looney Tunes Show had the best Lola anyway.

    1. E-122-Psi

      E-122-Psi

      But Wabbit/New Looney Tunes mixed the two together and even had Kath Soucie voicing her again.

  25. I'm suddenly remembering "Destroy the central core of the internet" was a real Shadow the Hedgehog mission.

    1. Wraith

      Wraith

      this is hte greatest game of all time

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      "Hey, Shadow! You can hop on the GUN Beetles to get across!"

      *does what i'm told*

      "SHADOW STOP IT THOSE ARE OUR ALLIES"

    3. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      shadow says fuck the internet

      all my black arms hate the internet

    4. AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      And yet we are still here...

    5. Ferno

      Ferno

      damn right we still here

       

      mf can't do anything right istg

      tenor.gif

       

    6. The Master

      The Master

      He was behind the SSMB wipe years ago.

    7. jungle_penguins

      jungle_penguins

      I like how Mad Matrix (Eggman's mainframe) is very different from Digital Circuit (GUN's mainframe). I think Mad Matrix was more nonsensical which fits Eggman so much. 

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