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Dr. Mechano

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  1. ...Who set up Professor Gerald's execution video to play (and hijack every broadcast on Earth) when the Eclipse Cannon was activated, anyway?

    1. Diogenes
    2. Sean
    3. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Tom the Cop

    4. Harkofthewaa
    5. Ferno
    6. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      I kinda like to think there were some really sadistic military members who enjoyed tormenting Gerald, and probably just recorded it under the pretense of keeping a record of the execution (or it was a last request from Gerald), but brushed off his last words as the words of a loony, probably laughing about it for years on end.

      Kinda wonder if they suffered a shit their pants moment when they saw it again as old people.

      As for hijacking every broadcast...

      Well, Eggman did do that himself to broadcast him having the Eclipse Cannon. Maybe He just left the hijacked broadcast active and when the video was played, it used the broadcast he left on.

    7. Pelvic WOO! engine

      Pelvic WOO! engine

      It was Gerald's wish. The troops just agreed to it.

    8. The Tenth Doctor

      The Tenth Doctor

      I always took it as Shadow. He knew of Gerald's plan and probably programmed the cannon a bit, as well as put the video up when he was alone in the ARK before Eggman arrived to hear the plan.

  2. I 100% stand by the Eggman dancing scene. It's not like Robotnik dancing is unprecedented in this franchise: Eggman has a storied history of getting his groove on, and Jim Carrey is merely continuing that tradition.
  3. If I may ask, why is Eggman being a human a negative for you? I want to understand where you're coming from a little better, because I'm just having trouble seeing why his humanity detracts from him in your eyes.
  4. I absolutely love Jim Carrey's Robotnik so far.

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I mean, it's not Robotnik. It's just Jim Carrey Slapstick Villain number 312.

    2. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      @Blue Blood

      And AOSTH Robotnik is Will E. Coyote Dick Dastardly clone 697. So what?

    3. Strong Guy

      Strong Guy

      No disrespect to you at all but I'm pretty surprised to hear that from someone like you, a resident Eggman fan.

      To me I found jim carrey as Eggman just kind of offensive. It isn't Eggman at all. Like BlueBlood said, just some generic slapstick villain who feels no different to all other generic slaptick characters carrey has played. That and his design just sucks.

    4. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I don't really have high opinions of AoSTH either.

      Jim Carrey is probably going to be the best part of this film. But he's really only tenuously like Robotnik.

  5. I like the redesign. It looks so much better than the nightmare monstrosity in the first trailer. Sonic himself also comes off as a lot more funny and likable here. I really enjoyed Robotnik's new scenes in the trailer as well. I feel like Carrey is doing a good job channeling Eggman's manic, over-the-top, hammy persona. It's not one-for-one game Eggman, but it still feels "right" to me. He's easily the part of this movie I'm looking forward to the most. Honestly, I'm really liking Agent Stone a lot too, for what little we've seen of him. He seems like a really fun right-hand man for Carrey to bounce off of, and I'm really enjoying their interaction in the trailers. Put me in the "cautiously optimistic" camp. I'm still expecting it to be a dumb video game movie, but I think it'll be a good time.
  6. M&S 2020 renamed Cucky "Clucky." Unforgivable.

    1. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      cuck is a weak, effeminate, unmanly, or inadequate man, who is often dominated by their female partner. It is considered derogatory slang.

    2. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Alternatively:

      Cuckold: 

      a man whose wife is sexually unfaithful, often regarded as an object of derision

    3. Chili Dawg
    4. Dr. Mechano
    5. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      How do you think I feel being cucked by a HEAHDGHAWG

    6. Menace2Society

      Menace2Society

      Man, looking at that image made me realize how ugly those animals look in 3D.

    7. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      they should make a game starring cucky and e101 beta male

    8. Sean

      Sean

      Most newer games also misspell Robotnik's name as "Eggman," it's pretty bizarre

    9. Miragnarok

      Miragnarok

      Wasn't Cucky also a mistranslation?

    10. Celestia

      Celestia

      Jokes aside, that makes more sense. I'm surprised that in 30 years the only one to add an L was Archie.

  7. If he don't have the 'stache, it belongs in the trash. Not saying your art or design is bad in and of itself; It could totally work as an original character. But it's just extremely unfitting for Eggman. Even way-the-hell off-model takes on the character like SatAM Robotnik and even the live-action film Robotnik never cut out his mustache. I really do think that it's as integral to Eggman's design as Sonic's spines, Tails's tails, or Knuckles' dreadlocks. Without it, he's just not him. And - connecting this to the topic at hand here - I'm not sure how that'd go if he was already a hair-covered animal. Yeah, there have been cases of "normal hair on top of fur" like the mustachioed Uncle Chuck, but I also think that - even if you found a way to keep the mustache with an animal design - Eggman being bald is also extremely iconic of his appearance. It's what gives him an egg-head, you know? It'd be really hard to tie these design elements - which I honestly consider essential for Eggman - into an animal character.
  8. I know this is a weird thing to say, but Mario and Sonic 2020 is one of the best Sonic stories in a while.

    Yeah, it's a goofy plot about the Olympics, but the character interaction is legitimately really charming.

    1. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      Now that we know Alpha Dream worked on the game, this doesn't surprise me one bit.

    2. blueblur98

      blueblur98

      i'm sorry, it was worked on by who

    3. Ellipsis-Ultima
    4. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      The team behind the Mario & Luigi games, which are known for having really charming character interaction, especially between the two titular brothers.

    5. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      With it's last dying breath, Alphadream grants us our biggest wish: To give us quality Sonic writing.

       

      Closest we'll ever get to a Mario & Sonic RPG.

    6. blueblur98

      blueblur98

      they really did work on this game!

      that's wild.

    7. Sean

      Sean

      It's a shame they couldn't use that quality in any of the M&L games after the first one.

    8. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Man, I completely don't agree there. 

      Partners in Time, Bowser's Inside Story, Dream Team, and even the new villain-centric side stories in the 3DS remakes all had some great writing and characterization in my opinion.

      BiS in particular was basically a Bowser game where Mario and Luigi got top billing on the title, and is one of my favorite Mario stories. It does a great job of making Bowser both fierce and kind of a lovable goofball.

    9. Sean

      Sean

      BIS's writing kind of just grated at me after a while. It's weird because I love Bowser in the first three Paper Mario games and I don't like him in BIS (or any of the M&L games, although the fourth game's twist was pretty neat). Never really understood why.

      The games themselves kind of sucking after Superstar Saga doesn't help either

    10. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      I will agree that I liked the first three Paper Marios in terms of writing over pretty much any of the M&L games, despite still loving the latter. The original Paper Marios were a league of their own.

    11. Sean

      Sean

      I'm just being kind of hard on the M&L games, they're not my thing but I can see why people like them. Also it's really early in the morning and I haven't had coffee yet, I don't think PIT or BIS actually suck, they're just a'ight to me

    12. The Deleter

      The Deleter

      For me I think the writing quality of BiS is about the same as the first game, but since I played BiS first I found it was more enjoyable than SS when I eventually got around to it. Just depends on what you end up playing first before the writing style becomes stale, imo.

    13. Miragnarok

      Miragnarok

      IDW would like to know your location. There was also TSR this year, and this game's apparently better than that was.

  9. I'm halfway through SatAM and at this point I'm almost convinced the writers didn't actually have any ideas for Tails, and only put him in because he was mandated by Sega.

    He's barely in any episodes, and the few he does appear in are extremely brief, minor roles. It's just a weird direction to take Sonic's sidekick, in my opinion.

    1. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      I think they had plans to flesh Tails out more in season 3 iirc.

    2. TheOcelot

      TheOcelot

      IIRC the plan was for Tails to become a key character in Season 3.

      But yeah compared to AOSTH, Tails role in SATAM first series is religated to an occasional cameo.

    3. Celestia

      Celestia

      It might have been to temporarily differentiate from AOSTH, especially after the pilot was similar to it right down to the Sonic and Tails interactions.

    4. Little T

      Little T

      It's a shame because SATAM has one my favourite versions of Tails, and I would love to have seen more of him.

    5. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      @Celestia it even used some of the same music

    6. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Yeah. There was a broader plan to develop Tails into a capable Freedom Fighter (this begins to happen in the latter half of Season 2) but they never got to move forward with it in Season 3 due to the show being canned. 

    7. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      There was an episode where he came up with a plan that ended up saving the day, and where he actually got to do some more techie stuff (he was taught by Sally, but the big deal was that he learned very quickly) so I'm curious to know where they would've taken it had Season 3 been greenlit.

    8. E-122-Psi

      E-122-Psi

      Truthfully, after Season One, it feels like they didn't have many ideas for any of the Freedom Fighters aside from Sonic and Sally really. They only really keep Antoine around because he's so useless and can absorb all the bungling comic relief roles.

      The ironically named 'Sonic and Sally' was the nearest Bunnie ever got to a proper limelight plot. For whatever reason, despite her concept, they barely clicked anything for her.

  10. I mean, I do think it's fine to vocally dislike those elements. Criticizing the Freedom Fighters is just as valid as criticizing Chris Thorndyke, Sticks the Badger, Manic and Sonia, or any other spinoff's original non-game characters. (Though the FFs at least have a very loose basis in Sonic's animal friends from the games) (I'm honestly kinda neutral on them so I'm not putting them down, really. It's more how SatAM handled Robotnik that I wasn't keen on, but that's a topic for another day.) To tie this in to the movie discussion, I think it's fine and expected that fans of a game series will necessarily be critical of adaptations that take a lot of liberties with the source material, as the movie is doing. We obviously shouldn't disrespect the fans or the creative team, but just taking a position of "Sonic isn't supposed to be like this" (whether about this film in particular or other adaptations) honestly seems reasonable to me.
  11. Tails having reasonable fears is fine. Tails cowering in the face of common Badniks in Forces is not. This kid's taken down armies of Badniks and fought Eggman - both alone and with Sonic's help. He stopped Witchcart and Great Battle Kukku all by himself. He stood up to GUN's forces and the Black Arms as well. It is ridiculous that he'd be paralyzed with fear from a tiny squadron of common grunt robots. I don't have a problem with Tails being afraid, but when it's incongruent with his character - as it was in Forces - it's bad writing.
  12. I mean, it's kinda right there in his name: Eggman. I feel like changing Eggman's species would necessitate a dramatic change to his design as to make him unrecognizable. Part of his iconic look - which has persisted through all iterations of the character - is that he's a big bald guy with a mustache. Hard to pull that off with a character covered in fur.
  13. Ehh, I feel like it's a little more complicated than that. Plenty of the people critical of this film want to like it. They want a Sonic movie that accurately represents the franchise they love, and feel frustrated that the opportunity is being squandered on something that takes a ton of liberties with the source material. They're interested in it - even if they don't necessarily like it - because it relates to their fandom in some way. Granted, I'm probably still going to enjoy the movie, though I'm not expecting it to be good. I've mad peace with live-action video game movies always being completely off-the-rails wrong, so I'm expecting more of a fun mess in the same vein as the Super Mario Bros. movie.
  14. Man, I'm glad they changed it. I'm still not 100% on board with this design either, but it's way better than the old one.
  15. In SA1, the Master Emerald was being kept in an outdoor shrine because Hidden Palace was being fumigated.

    1. Bowbowis

      Bowbowis

      My headcanon was that Knuckles had to move the Emerald because Hidden Palace was buried under debris from Sky Sanctuary.

    2. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      Fumigated of what? Did Knuckles accidentally eat Nightshade berries and Fart inducing beans or something?

    3. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      The whole palace was full of Buggernauts.

    4. Ivo-goji

      Ivo-goji

      I like to think he moved the ME outside so he could continue being in close proximity to it while having a better vantage point to scan the horizon for the Tornado, in the event Sonic and Tails paid a visit.

    5. JezMM

      JezMM

      My personal headcanon was that Hidden Palace was part of Sky Sanctuary's interior, and what we see in Sonic Adventure/Sonic Advance 3 is all that's left after most of it fell apart.

       

      EDIT: Having said this such a headcanon only applies to the Sonic 3&K -> Sonic 4 - > Modern timeline because in the S3&K -> Sonic Mania timeline we see Hidden Palace is intact so yeah... god I hate Sonic

    6. Ivo-goji

      Ivo-goji

      That idea wouldn't work in S3&K either though because most of Sky Sanctuary was already destroyed in Sonic's story and we can still see Hidden Palace in one piece during Knuckles' story.

      It also appears to have made a return appearance in Sonic Pocket Adventure, although it might be an unrelated if similar looking area.

    7. JezMM

      JezMM

      Eh you only see a tiny portion of Hidden Palace though, there's nothing to say the Master Emerald's Chamber isn't destroyed at that point.

      (As said though it's just a headcanon and I'm not attached to it, but that part does still make sense for me - or at least did until Mania lol).

    8. Bowbowis

      Bowbowis

      Hidden Palace showing up after having been destroyed would't be the weirdest thing to happen in Mania (I'm looking at you, Lava Reef/Metallic Madness transition). Besides, with the Phantom Ruby in play who knows how much of what we see Mania actually happens.

  16. I'll accept SegaSonic Bros. as canon. Sonic just has two brothers who aren't really the adventuring types and prefer puzzles. They probably still live on Christmas Island and Sonic visits them around the holidays.

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Like anyone even remembers Christmas Island these days.

  17. But without humans, where would Eggman have come from? Guy's gotta originate from somewhere. Unless you meant not including any humans literally - i.e., even Eggman would be gone, which honestly sounds like it'd be one of the biggest mistakes this franchise could make (and that's saying something).
  18. In Shadow the Hedgehog, Eggman is disgusted at the thought of his hero selling out his colleagues just for scientific achievement. "That can't be! He betrayed his own people for research?! For Black Doom?!" Eggman is revolted by Gerald's apparent lack of humanity and honor here. He's not like, "Ha ha, that's my grandpa! Willing to achieve scientific progress even if it kills people! What a lovable old rascal!" He's shocked and horrified by the reveal that - even before Maria's death drove him insane - his childhood hero may have been a self-centered, manipulative monster after all. (Of course, once it's revealed that Gerald built the Eclipse Cannon to stop Black Doom, the game immediately cuts to Eggman, who is relieved that yes - Gerald actually was a good guy prior to snapping after all.) As much as I honestly hate this game, I feel like it does clarify Eggman's feelings toward his grandfather. Yes, he absolutely looked up to him for his scientific brilliance, but it's clear that he also saw him as a fundamentally upstanding and good person; And when that image of him was shaken, he felt betrayed. We see this in Sonic Adventure 2 as well. "As a child, I looked up to my grandfather for all the great things he accomplished in his life. He was my hero, and I wanted to be a great scientist like him. But... Did he really mean to destroy us?" Again, Eggman had to wrestle with Gerald not living up to the idealistic vision he always had of him. I think it's clear that Eggman wanted to think of Gerald as a good man, and that it was very difficult for him to confront his grandfather's darker side. I don't think it'd really be "daddy issues" here anyway. More having a legitimate grievance with the actual corruption within the government that resulted in members of his own family - including his childhood hero - being unjustly murdered. Honestly it's hard to imagine that not factoring into Eggman thinking he can do a better job running the world than the current powers that be, but that's just me.
  19. Man, I feel like - regardless of how you feel about either series - conflating early Archie with SatAM isn't really fair. They had some broad similarities (Robotnik's design, Freedom Fighters, Snively, etc.) but tonally the comics were way goofier and made more of a conscious effort to incorporate elements from the games.

  20. Crossover characters aside, three humans have been playable in the Sonic series - all of them Robotniks: Eggman, Maria, and Eggman Nega.

  21. For over a decade, the "Witchcart rebuttal" has been my go-to for whether or not non-Eggman humans were in the classic games.

    1. Ivo-goji

      Ivo-goji

      My go-to answer is the presence of human statues in Marble Garden and similar locations throughout the series, always in places we know were also inhabited by ancient Echidnas.

  22. Mmm, what about Witchcart? Or the humanoid angel statue in Sonic CD? Or the humans in the hieroglyphs in Sonic Blast? Looks like non-Eggman humans have always been around to me. We don't see them much in the classic games because they were action games - ergo, we don't see many townspeople or NPCs in general. But the idea that Eggman is the only human in Sonic's world is flat-out contradicted by in-game evidence to the contrary.
  23. So how does the "two worlds" thing square with ancient echidna architecture being all over the Mystic Ruins?

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      some echidnas migrated to the human world at some point

    2. Ivo-goji

      Ivo-goji

      It's funny that a featureless second planet was introduced to the series just to give anthropomorphic animals a place to live, when all examples of their history and culture both ancient and modern (Echidnas, Babylonians, Big's house, Tails' house, Amy's house, Rouge's house, Cream's house) are located on Earth.

  24. I'm tired of the boost games.

    I know they're popular. I know they perform well. I know it makes business sense to keep making them.

    But I just miss when 3D Sonic was more of a traditional platformer and not a platformer/racing game hybrid like it is now. I also miss having other playable characters in the 3D games.

    None of this is to say what Sega objectively "should" do. Just that I don't find the boost formula appealing or the fact that nobody other than Sonic gets to be playable in 3D platformers anymore.

    1. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      I feel like the Boost games should've been a spin-off genre.

    2. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      @Indigo Rush

      I consider the boost games to be an ideal concept for an On-Foot type racing spinoff. Too bad multiplayer and non-car driving Sonic is a taboo combination in this day'n'age

    3. StaticMania

      StaticMania

      It's a neat concept and then they did 3 in a row.

      Then they did a game that showed a major flaw in the concept from doing just 4 games.

    4. Sean

      Sean

      Replace boost with SLW spin dash imo

    5. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I'd argue it doesn't make business sense making them because they literally swallow resources because you have to make loads and loads of level to make a level that lasts like a minute.

    6. Ivo-goji

      Ivo-goji

      I'd vastly prefer going back to when acceleration was focused around the Spin Dash and Light Dash.  It's a lot more distinctive to Sonic then just having a button that makes you go faster.

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