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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Supah Berry in Should SEGA replace Takashi Iizuka and Sonic Team and replace them with a new talented team?   
    Well see the problem with that is that's a temporary fix at best. Sonic Forces was almost entirely new people and that's one of the most divisive Sonic titles in quite some time.
    The problem lies more with Sega's management than anything.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in Should SEGA replace Takashi Iizuka and Sonic Team and replace them with a new talented team?   
    Well see the problem with that is that's a temporary fix at best. Sonic Forces was almost entirely new people and that's one of the most divisive Sonic titles in quite some time.
    The problem lies more with Sega's management than anything.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Palette in Should SEGA replace Takashi Iizuka and Sonic Team and replace them with a new talented team?   
    Well see the problem with that is that's a temporary fix at best. Sonic Forces was almost entirely new people and that's one of the most divisive Sonic titles in quite some time.
    The problem lies more with Sega's management than anything.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Snowragnarok in Should SEGA replace Takashi Iizuka and Sonic Team and replace them with a new talented team?   
    Well see the problem with that is that's a temporary fix at best. Sonic Forces was almost entirely new people and that's one of the most divisive Sonic titles in quite some time.
    The problem lies more with Sega's management than anything.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Salamander in Should SEGA replace Takashi Iizuka and Sonic Team and replace them with a new talented team?   
    Well see the problem with that is that's a temporary fix at best. Sonic Forces was almost entirely new people and that's one of the most divisive Sonic titles in quite some time.
    The problem lies more with Sega's management than anything.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Mad Convoy in Should SEGA replace Takashi Iizuka and Sonic Team and replace them with a new talented team?   
    Well see the problem with that is that's a temporary fix at best. Sonic Forces was almost entirely new people and that's one of the most divisive Sonic titles in quite some time.
    The problem lies more with Sega's management than anything.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Legendary Emerald in Should SEGA replace Takashi Iizuka and Sonic Team and replace them with a new talented team?   
    Well see the problem with that is that's a temporary fix at best. Sonic Forces was almost entirely new people and that's one of the most divisive Sonic titles in quite some time.
    The problem lies more with Sega's management than anything.
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    SaturnWolf reacted to Tara in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    In addition to what Rabid-Coot said, I simply can't picture this.  Like, I can maybe picture a studio that's struggling financially and was desperate for some good publicity to draw in some revenue, even though that would be fallacious thinking.  But we're talking about Paramount; a company that is generally high regarded by both consumers and the film industry as being a high quality company.  They don't need to resort to riding on infamy for publicity.  I think they're just that out of touch.
    They probably posted that photo the same reason the company posts anything on social media: to foster audience engagement.  No matter how vastly different live action Sonic will be from his Japanese counterpart, at some point they're eventually going to have to meet with Sega to sort out a lot of little details.  The makers of Sonic Boom realized this, too, which is why it is said that they held off telling Sega of Japan about Boom as long as they humanly could, so that by the time the SoJ crew did see it, there would effectively be nothing they could do about it.  I don't know if that's a similar situation here, and I highly doubt it is.  Just saying, them meeting with Iizuka and Aaron and then posting about it on social media isn't exactly something I'd name as an indicator of anything aside from "advertising."
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    SaturnWolf reacted to thumbs13 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    This metric would call 06, Secret Rings, and RoL a good games. This is why we don't judge things off of checklists, and we go off of percieved merit.
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    SaturnWolf reacted to Polkadi~☆ in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Miragnarok, you keep posting that, but I don’t think it proves any point you’re attempting to make. So what it doesn’t have those things, it’s the equivalent of telling someone in deep pain, “At least you’re not dead.” That’s not the point, it still really hurts. It baffles me why you keep retorting with that, when it’s not related to our concerns with the film.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from MidoChaosHedgehog in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Then there is no way to "fix" the movie. If Paramount insists on putting out a nightmare, well, just another addition to the ever growing pile of crap this franchise already has, I suppose.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Yeah, I'm not buying the whole "We were with you!" thing. Sure, Sonic looking less like something I'd see at the foot of my bed during an episode of sleep paralysis is nice, but that still leaves a cavalcade of unfunny jokes, dated CG, annoying, bland and dumb human characters that take center stage...the design is only the most obvious and most horrific problem that we can see from the one, single, bad trailer they put out.
    The problem with the movie is the very concept. Just as a band-aid won't heal a broken arm, a simply design fix won't fix a movie that's doomed to fail. The only way to truly "fix" this movie now is to scrap everything and start over from scratch. Maybe get better writers this time.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Then there is no way to "fix" the movie. If Paramount insists on putting out a nightmare, well, just another addition to the ever growing pile of crap this franchise already has, I suppose.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from AdventChild in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Yeah, I'm not buying the whole "We were with you!" thing. Sure, Sonic looking less like something I'd see at the foot of my bed during an episode of sleep paralysis is nice, but that still leaves a cavalcade of unfunny jokes, dated CG, annoying, bland and dumb human characters that take center stage...the design is only the most obvious and most horrific problem that we can see from the one, single, bad trailer they put out.
    The problem with the movie is the very concept. Just as a band-aid won't heal a broken arm, a simply design fix won't fix a movie that's doomed to fail. The only way to truly "fix" this movie now is to scrap everything and start over from scratch. Maybe get better writers this time.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from MidoChaosHedgehog in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Yeah, I'm not buying the whole "We were with you!" thing. Sure, Sonic looking less like something I'd see at the foot of my bed during an episode of sleep paralysis is nice, but that still leaves a cavalcade of unfunny jokes, dated CG, annoying, bland and dumb human characters that take center stage...the design is only the most obvious and most horrific problem that we can see from the one, single, bad trailer they put out.
    The problem with the movie is the very concept. Just as a band-aid won't heal a broken arm, a simply design fix won't fix a movie that's doomed to fail. The only way to truly "fix" this movie now is to scrap everything and start over from scratch. Maybe get better writers this time.
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    SaturnWolf reacted to Ryannumber1gamer in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    There is such a massive flaw in this that I'm just going to go one by one, because you're generalising it.
    Firstly - Adventure, Adventure 2, and I suppose you could lump Shadow in as well - the key difference is that the humans and the world were never the focus, and due to limited hardware - weren't able to achieve full human proportions. They had a weird styling that still at least kind of made them fit in within Sonic's style because they couldn't get to full blown human quality, the tech held them back. But more importantly than that - they never played an important role in the series, and didn't steal spotlight from the main cast. The main cast was always there, in the forefront. Tails, Knuckles, Amy, etc were still present, and still the ones exploring with Sonic, personality in-tact.
    And Tower was a shit villain to begin with. Not only does he come out of nowhere, not only does he literally self-insert into Shadow's already established backstory with Maria, but he just exists to make the whole thing confusing as hell. Tower becomes the G.U.N commander and wants revenge on Shadow because...a G.U.N agent killed Maria in cold blood and somehow it's Shadow's fault for existing, and not G.U.N's fault for having no problems killing a little girl for no particular reason.
    The reason they barely get away with it is because the humans are never spotlighted, bar Shadow's backstory, the locales, despite being more "realistic" still follow the typical Sonic design and still bring in imaginative elements, making them so fun that you don't notice either way.
    Archie - Because Ken Penders introduced it and Ken Penders is fucking dumb. The overlanders were a frankly idiotic concept in the Archie comics, and didn't add anything to the mix, bar an explanation of where Eggman and Snively come from. They contributed to a massive war that let Eggman lay siege and that's about it. The overlanders added shit all to the story, and case and point - were phased out when Ian began his run, and were replaced with the game cast's humans, namely - G.U.N. The only member off the top of my head who remained prominent was Hope, who's last big appearance was in Scrambled. 
    But again, they were also stylised, and didn't have a ton of focus placed on them in later years, with the most being having Tower commanding Shadow and Team Dark's operations. When they did get the focus placed on them, it was pretty shit all around, especially in the early years of the comic, where in my opinion - it gave some of the most boring stories of the lot. 
    Unleashed - Unleashed's the one example of humans working right in this series, specifically because of how they were designed. They were designed to be cartoon characters, they all have a stylised design that fits into Sonic's world perfectly and feels like you could have them and Mobians walking around together. More importantly - they have a proper important purpose without stealing focus away from the characters we actually care about - they add cultures and character to the different locales that Sonic has to explore, they add world-building to Sonic's world and flesh it out. They give it a sense of purpose to saving, instead of something like Adventure where they were all bland, weirdly designed, and just had flavour text at best.
    Leaving us with...Sonic X and 06. Which is where I'd fairly argue the movie slots into. Because all three have one key defining trait - Sonic isn't the focus of them. It's a human, and not only at that - a bland, boring human at that. Sonic X has Chris, an entitled, rich asshole who nearly destroyed two universes because his parents didn't have time for him, despite the fact they constantly make every attempt to be with him.
    For one - no one was defending Sam Speed either, and you'll find a lot of people who complain about X just as much as this movie, with a lot of people wishing it remained in Sonic's world like in Season 3. But if you really want me to take that point on - Sam Speed is the only one of the humans off the top of my head that feels like they were designed to be a Sonic character. He's literally an over the top egotist that has rocket cars modelled and created so he can keep up a petty rivalry with Sonic. It's so over the top and out there that you work past the fact that he's a human, and focus on him on sole personality.
    Plus, y'know, it also helps that he isn't actively stealing the spotlight from Sonic, fulfilling a role that other characters have done in the past, and isn't generic as hell. Tom is a generic cop that stumbles upon Sonic. Sam is a completely lunatic that has an ego the size of the moon and makes rocket cars to keep up with fast blue hedgehogs so he can prove he's better than him. If Sam was also stealing the rival slot from Knuckles, Metal Sonic or Shadow, I'd say there'd be a fair amount of people shitting on X even more for replacing them, but given Knuckles and Shadow are still rivals in Sonic X, Sam also doesn't steal a role, or spotlight from anyone, while being a fun side character, that's the major difference.
    06 has Elise, an annoying useless character who constantly gets kidnapped and basically forces Sonic away from the story at large to focus on her. Not only is she a human love interest, but she also takes up the companion role that could've been filled by other characters. Tails and Knuckles appear for a bit in the story, and it's only to focus down on Elise and her kidnapping.
    Elise is the one in danger all the time, Elise is the one who gets "moments" with Sonic, Elise is the one who can unleash the ultimate world-ending terror, for all intents and purposes - Elise is more important than Sonic in the game he's meant to be starring in, because Sonic is only there to save her, throw off a few lines at Eggman, and ultimately create a bond with her. Not only does she steal spotlight from him and his cast, but she's also like Chris that she's a bad character in of itself. But better yet - one of the reasons 06 is cited as awful - is because it feels like Sonic and his cast has just been plopped into a human world that is nothing like the previous games, and could've plausibly taken place in the same world. It's the point they jumped the shark and made the humans so realistic that they stood out like a sore thumb, not helped by having Elise as a main character.
    I fully believe Tom is following the same route. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the movie comes out and it's different, but from what I've seen, it has all the telltale signs of one of these human characters who become the main character because god forbid we relate with the actual star of the movie. He's the one who manages to revoke Sonic's speed and capture him, he's the one who gets the love interest, he's the one who replaces Sonic's actual cast by becoming his companion during the movie, it's his hometown that ultimately helps Sonic in some way, form, or manner.
    You ask me what's stopping Tom from being the exception, and I ask the obvious counter question - what exactly stops Tom from being the rule? Because to me, there's a hell of a lot more here that suggests that Tom is going to steal the spotlight than be a good character counterpart to Sonic. But more importantly - KHCast is quite correct when he said this:
    Being in the human world is not my problem, if done right. You'll find that the majority of my favourite games stick fairly into the Dreamcast to Modern era, and I grew up watching and loving Sonic X as a kid, but that doesn't change the fact that this movie severely looks like it's going to be hollywoodized cynical nonsense, based off of executives following what focus groups want who thought they knew best instead of actually having faith in the product they're trying to represent. 
    But better yet, it's not even just the idea of Tom, or humans, it's the fact that the story is literally forcing the human cast to be a massive prominent feature of the film. I've said it once, I'll say it again - The human cast are billed as helping Sonic in a major way, there's a far, far, far greater number of new human characters in the movie as opposed to literally only Sonic and Eggman being the only Sonic characters. The story is generic "the military want to capture *cartoon/game character*, humans must keep him safe!", which for a Sonic movie is kind of ridiculous. Being in the human world forces all of the creative level design and locales from the games to fall apart because it's all reduced to desert, country, city, basically generic human locales for set-pieces.
    The human aspect limits the movie and it's creativity, and forces out a massive chunk of Sonic's supporting cast so they can be replaced with boring human characters that no one could give a shit about. That's the stance I've had since the plot synopsis was released, it was the stance I had when we found out Tom would be getting a girlfriend to go along with it all, it was the stance I took as we found out that Sonic and Eggman are literally the only Sonic characters in the whole film, and it's the stance I took when I saw that shit trailer that basically confirmed all of the concerns I've had. 
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    SaturnWolf reacted to KHCast in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Sonic X and 06 are rightly shit on what the hell is your point with those, also the other examples don’t counter Ryan one bit. Being in a human world was not his point of contention. Being Hollywoodized, generic and predictable, cynical, live action, garble that isn’t bringing anything new, cool, or interesting to the video game movie (or movie in general) scene is.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from ChaosKaiser in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    At least those are familiar elements (for better or for worse) that would make it feel more like a Sonic thing. This has none of those things. There's a reason none of the games with G.U.N ever focused on individual troops and had them team up with Sonic. Because nobody cares about characters like Tom the Cop or Jerry the Used Car Salesman
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Salamander in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    "We were with you!" seems like a hollow gesture when fans, non-fans, the creators of Sonic and other big names were saying that it's a bad design long before the trailer dropped, but they actively ignored everyone. Never forget Patrick Casey's condescending "Everybody relax"
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from FReaK in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Sorry, but no. Apologies are useless unless action is taken to make sure improvement is made, and by that token, I'm not giving them brownie points for fixing a problem that they created and that shouldn't have existed in the first place.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Gabz Girl in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Sorry, but no. Apologies are useless unless action is taken to make sure improvement is made, and by that token, I'm not giving them brownie points for fixing a problem that they created and that shouldn't have existed in the first place.
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Gabz Girl in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    "We were with you!" seems like a hollow gesture when fans, non-fans, the creators of Sonic and other big names were saying that it's a bad design long before the trailer dropped, but they actively ignored everyone. Never forget Patrick Casey's condescending "Everybody relax"
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    SaturnWolf reacted to Ryannumber1gamer in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    I think the old saying of "you can polish a turd" comes so very much into play here. You can paint it gold and polish it, but it won't change what it is. It's the same for this, you can redesign Sonic all you want, but when the problems of the film stem literally into the core of the movie on a foundation and conceptual level, you can't fix it without scrapping and starting over.
    When the very concept of the movie started as "Sonic is a real creature in the real world fighting against Jim Carrey Robotnik with his new human best buddy who is a recognisable actor who also has a generic love interest", it was doomed from the start. The trailer only confirmed the initial belief it would be bad. Yeah, the design was atrocious, but Eggman's design was also pretty generic and bad, the jokes fell flat, the special effects are downright atrocious (especially the effect for Tom and his girlfriend being thrown into the warp ring, which is very clearly just a green screen), and the story is the most contrived cliched nonsense. A design change won't fix any of that, and I most certainly do not intend to support it either so we can get more films like this just because the filmmakers decided to fix their own incredibly glaring and obvious fuck up. 
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    At least those are familiar elements (for better or for worse) that would make it feel more like a Sonic thing. This has none of those things. There's a reason none of the games with G.U.N ever focused on individual troops and had them team up with Sonic. Because nobody cares about characters like Tom the Cop or Jerry the Used Car Salesman
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    SaturnWolf got a reaction from MidoChaosHedgehog in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    At least those are familiar elements (for better or for worse) that would make it feel more like a Sonic thing. This has none of those things. There's a reason none of the games with G.U.N ever focused on individual troops and had them team up with Sonic. Because nobody cares about characters like Tom the Cop or Jerry the Used Car Salesman
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