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  1. I mean, I didn't think Cream was going to have a fairly significant role in the Metal Virus Saga, but Ian made it work lol And with that, I think Sticks can work in the Modern universe. I think she could serve as an analogue to Knuckles, as Amy is to Sonic and Cream to Tails. But whereas Knuckles is (relatively) level-headed and gullible, Sticks is more irrational and suspicious: which makes her a neat foil to the down-to-earth and trusting Cream, and allows Amy to serve as the balance between the two. That is assuming Sticks would become a member of Team Rose on her inclusion, which I'd honestly welcome. I like Big, but I always felt he looked misplaced in what was a dedicated girl team... Although I can agree that Sticks could use some retooling to properly work in the Modern universe. Her conspiracy theorist stuff worked fine in Boom, but for Modern... I personally think Sticks would be better if her "Wild Child" aspect was the bigger focus. Have her be the Tarzan of the Sonic cast, making up for her lack of superpowers or "magic" by putting her jungle survival skills to extremely good use. Maybe even have Sticks be a contrast from Tails, a prodigy of computer and vehicle technology, by being a master of Bamboo Technology.
  2. Yeah, that was actually an issue I had with the story too, and what made me agree with my friend's rant. Sonic ought to know from Advance 2, 3, Battle, and especially Heroes that Cream can handle her own in adventures and fights. So why tell her to stay out of things for her young age, all of a sudden? Sally arguably had the excuse of not being familiar with Cream, while Gemerl is explicitly overprotective. But Sonic, the same guy who invited Cream into the Advance 3 group and generally doesn't oppose children getting involved in dangerous shit...? (Okay, yeah, he didn't oppose benching Marine, but big difference is that she demonstrated herself multiple times as a nuisance who made things worse. And for benching Tails in Colors, I personally think Sonic did so more because of the entire amusement park collapsing and less because the Nega Wisp Mech of course Colors' writing is 'meh' at best so I never paid much mind to it). But whatever, I'm firmly moving on from this topic. With regards to other characters, I personally hope Espio and Charmy get to be involved. Vector shouldn't get all the attention lol And I'm gonna bet that Eggman will be the very last one, since these stories seem to be building up to something.
  3. Okay, that's a fair point that I can accept lol And no, I didn't intend to come off nitpicky. Like I said, my initial impression was excitement because I was glad to see Cream in a SC artwork (and with a rare expression lol), only to see my friend's thoughts on the accompanying story, which I thought to be a good point. So brought this up here to see what others would think, cause this is a forum after all. You guys brought up your own points, and I concede to them. Not trying to start an argument lol. So, yeah, this story is cute: finally get to see more Sonic and Cream's sibling-like relationship after so long (now if only we could Amy and Cream's again) and I love Cream get angry at being treated like a child lol Only nitpick that I actually have is that it's another "character underestimates Cream's credentials and tells her to stay put", which I'm more than sick of after this was played out countlessly in Archie, and done twice or thrice in IDW. But, as y'all pointed out, this story at least has the underestimating character realize they were wrong and invite Cream into the action next time, so I'll let this slide
  4. Now, see, this is how you get into many (often heated) arguments. Someone gives a sincere opinion/thought on something, and you disagree with it in a manner like this. At the very least, care to elaborate why you're not seeing it? What exactly about BerkStrom's thoughts is wrong? I can admit, on reading the story, Sonic isn't treating her as annoying. But having him forbid her from helping in fights doesn't help Cream's standing in the cast: if Sonic thinks she's too young to get involved in things (despite having a sidekick just two years older than her), most fans are going to think her as weak and useless, which in turn results in Cream's rare appearances as of now.
  5. Phew! I was concerned that Cream was gonna get left out of this year's artwork after being absent from April's (a month she's usually posted on cause of Easter). And like the others of this year, this comes with a story: http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/special/coverstory/20210420_002544/ (and here is an unofficial English translation- https://dizzydennis.tumblr.com/post/649055344926031872/sonic-x-cream-cheese-cover-story-english) Now, I was totally gonna gush over this cause "Holy crap Cream's existence is being acknowledged". But then BerkStrom1, a fellow Cream fan, ranted about the art and story, pointing out how Cream's portrayal in this and Sonic's treatment of her contribute to her negative reception in the fanbase. A sentiment that I can't really disagree with...
  6. The top of my list is Amy and Cream. Even when the two were being pushed as the female counterparts to Sonic and Tails' friendship, there weren't very many interactions between them, at least in the games. And much to my eternal chagrin, most of those few interactions weren't very friendly thanks to SEGA/Sonic Team/whoever writing Amy as an aggressive brat 😑 So I really want for Amy and Cream's friendship to be restored and done better. Because regardless of how things got executed, Amy and Cream's dynamic can work to great effect; both being heroic and empathetic girls, but one is overly energetic and passionate who takes charge in all situations while the other is calm, quiet, and who's all too happy being the support. And the two give each other more "purpose". Like, most people think Amy should do things with other characters than just Sonic even though she never really gets to do actual things with Sonic. Cream allows Amy to do exactly that on a regular basis. And likewise, Amy allows Cream to go out on adventures and be a hero, rather than just staying at home with her mother. And the two logically work out their flaws, with Amy having the kind of influence to make Cream more adventurous and less passive, while Cream gets Amy to think things through and rein in her overwhelming passion. Second to that is Tails and Cream. To make their ship more credible aside, it's nothing short of bizarre that those have so rarely interacted in any meaningful way despite their similar role and abilities. And their dynamic has great potential! They're both mature children, but Tails is super-intelligent while Cream is full of curiosity. Tails is logical, but Cream is more emotionally inclined (giving her the sort of insight that Tails lacks). And... Well, I guess that's all I can say that's based on actual canon, since Cream's character isn't explored much. But then, I'd say that's a valid reason to have her and Tails interact: give that rabbit some more depth.
  7. Um, how...? Shadow is an artificial organism created to be the "ultimate lifeform", with a key trait of such a lifeform being capable of using abilities like Chaos Control. That's all SA2 really established about his 'biology', and to me that's "simple". 😕 What do you call the energy of the Chaos Emeralds, then? Chaos Spear certainly isn't composed of electric or solar energy. Even if "Chaos Energy" itself had never been said in official material, "Chaos Emerald Energy" is too long to write and say all the time, so might as well shorten it to "Chaos Energy". And I should remind that I was suggesting for a potential reboot that Shadow merely be an artificial lifeform who was created with innate Chaos Energy, as ooposed to being created with alien DNA to harness/utilize such power. I never said that's what Shadow is, just that's how I'd change him for a reboot.
  8. Could you have directed that at me much less while making your point? You could've at least brought up how the Black Arms have been irrelevant for years, in addition to the whole "Shadow is part Black Arms", in light of what the others in this thread said. But nope, just strictly focusing on what I wrote.
  9. I'm a bit conflicted with regards to this topic. Cause on one hand, I can agree with arguments against a reboot since Sonic doesn't necessarily need one and could just cause more problems. But at the same time, I think the franchise could use a fresh start; reset the setting into something more cohesive and consistent, and maybe "reintroduce" the characters to give them new life, so to speak. Like, very few people (as far as I'm aware) like the whole "Shadow is part Black Arms", so this sort of thing would be a good opportunity to officially remove that and have it simply that he is an artificial hedgehog infused with chaos energy. Likewise, if Angel Island/the Master Emerald aren't going to be relevant to the series in the longterm, then why not change Knuckles from "Master Emerald Guardian, part-time treasure hunter" to "full-time treasure hunter"? And personally, I would adjust Amy and Cream to make them more "viable" characters: for Amy, not only bring back her tarot cards and make them a big part of her character, but maybe make her at least a semi-mage so she has more abilities than just wielding a hammer? And Cream would definitely benefit from the addition of a long-term goal and a key characteristic to be more involved in adventures specifically voluntarily tagging along with Amy frequently
  10. So I saw that Sonic Smackdown had updated back in the middle of January with a full playable roster. But Cream, who was in the beta select screen (albeit greyed out), is not in there... 

    *Long and frustrated sigh* Us Cream fans just can't have a fucking win, can we?

    1. The Master

      The Master

      She's still meant to be coming right?

    2. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Still way closer to becoming playable there than Charmy, Jet, Ray, Nack etc.

    3. Kaotic Kanine

      Kaotic Kanine

      @The Tenth Doctor The impression I got is that they finalized the roster for the game. So Cream being explicitly absent in the final roster, despite being present in all previous versions (even if not selectable) tells me that the creators decided against adding her in, hence my rage. I hope that I'm wrong and she will be in Smackdown. But it's hard to tell. 


    4. Kuzu


      Yea, that's actually pretty sus.

  11. I third your opinion on Amy. Especially with regards to how she was in Sonic Heroes! It honestly annoys me how it's becoming consensus that the game "ruined" Amy when Heroes had Amy properly develop into her own hero. And personality-wise, she wasn't even bad outside of that one cutscene. Which is part of a group of cutscenes that see the characters acting uncharacteristically/hostile for the sake of instigating a boss fight. Like, as I've said in other parts of the internet, I don't get why Amy in Heroes deserves to be classified as a "psycho stalker" for that one cutscene, while Rouge gets nothing for picking a fight with Team Chaotix for no reason, Espio telling a little girl to hand over her Chao in a threatening manner, and Sonic's whole behavior in the "Vs. Team Dark" cutscene. Regardless, since you and prettyinplague took care of Amy, I'm free to do my favorite character who is tied with Amy: Cream the Rabbit. Best: IDW. While I have my nitpicks on how the comic series handled Cream thus far (especially in the latest arc), IDW had done far more with Cream with far better writing than any other medium. Like, though Cream missed out on the first season of IDW (The Neo Metal Sonic Saga), she was given special focus throughout the Metal Virus Saga; Cream being at least a significant emotional piece of the issues she could appear in, mainly demonstrating her compassion, bravery, and optimism but also showing that she's as vulnerable to despair, rage, and dejection as much as anyone (much less a child her age). The latter three being especially notable, since most media show Cream as nothing but cheerful and full of joy. And both the climax and epilogue to the Metal Virus Saga reminds folks that, despite her hatred of violence and young age, Cream is not averse to fighting: laying down some good hits on Zeena in the beginning of the end of the MVS, then standing up to an enraged Zavok without fear, and landing a crucial hit on Eggman when he crashed the party in the epilogue. While I would disagree with Evan stating that MVS brought Cream into her own character, it certainly fleshed her out the most of all other media. Worst: Archie. While it perhaps didn't write Cream poorly (compared to, say, Sonic Rush), Archie sure as hell didn't do much with her in any compelling way. After her long overdue debut in the comic, being the last of all the Modern game original characters to be included (understandably because of bullshit from SEGA), Cream had a supporting role in one Sonic Universe Arc, and then didn't show up in the comic again for an entire year; after which she got an even more minor role for the Mecha Sally Saga as a member of Team Freedom. With Team Freedom, as a group, having accomplished nothing for the entire duration of the saga. But granted, the sup-plot with Tails Doll was clearly leading up to Cream, and Team Freedom, having a heroic battle. Too bad the crossover with Mega Man ended that before it could begin, with the Tails Doll fight being picked up by Sonic and Tails in the Reboot. Of course, that would've been fine if Cream got to actually participate in that awesome crossover. Guess what didn't happen, though? And I've already said plenty about how insulting Cream's utilization in the Reboot was, with the only exception being her helping Amy fight Captain Metal in the climax to Pirate Plunder Panic. But for the rest of the Reboot? Cream's role could best be summed up as a repeat of SatAM!Tails; being present in the cast only really to be a child for Sally to coddle and be motherly towards. She gets refused to actually participate in any missions or battles, and the few times she actually does go out into the field or actually contribute to the team is undercut by the not actually showing Cream doing anything or placing much more focus on the other characters instead of her or her accomplishments. Key example; Sally leads most of the Freedom Fighters into an ambush that would've killed them for certain. Cream swiftly mounts a successful rescue of the team from that ambush. And instead of being acknowledged for saving everyone's asses, the story and cast are more concerned with feeling bad for Sally as she sobs about how much of an idiot she is. By the end of the Unleashed adaptation, Big the Cat, who without question is the least active member of the cast in the franchise (only relevant in Adventure 1 and Heroes), was a more significant member of the team than Cream, who was one of the most recurring characters until Sonic 06, could ever get to be. Hence, even though I don't consider Cream's actual writing in Archie poor compared to Rush or Battle, I will always regard Archie as the worst portrayal of Cream for having her be the extraneous, pointless member of the cast people falsely percieve her to be.
  12. Definitely Sonic Colors for me. After playing Unleashed on the 360 and loving it, in spite of what everyone was saying about the game at the time (which was far more negative than positive), I was looking forward to what Colors had to offer; thinking it would perfect what that game did good while improving on the "bad parts". I remember watching a preview for one of the cutscenes and being enthusiastic about this game having cutscenes with the characters having fun and stuff, and was humored by the voice clips of Eggman's PAs. Once the game came out to raving reviews, I picked it up as soon as I could and finished it within a day... And all I could think after was "how the fuck did this game get rave reviews?" Plenty of folks have harped on about Colors' sense of humor and story, so I suppose I don't have to say anything about that. But I will: the game's comedy is fucking awful. If it's not some of the most juvenile shit I've ever heard (there's a reason people bring up "Baldy McNosehair", and a lot of the Wisp mistranslations are hardly better), then it's just unfunny jokes. Like Sonic repeatedly asking a mute robot if it ordered a clobbering. Or how about Orbot spelling out the punchline of the "Who you calling nothing?" bit? And then there's that Scarface reference in the climax, which would've actually worked out fine in light of Cubot's mobster accent... If not for the fact that Eggman says "You talking to me? There's nobody else here, so you must be talking to me!" even though Orbot is right there alongside him and Cubot. This game is easily the most comedy focused of Sonic games, yet the previous non-comedy games did humor a lot better than this game ever did. And the story is just a waste; nevermind how Sonic's characterization is a big downgrade from Unleashed and Black Knight (because him constantly spouting off jokes like some loser is so much better than an actually cool person who jumps into action), but the plot just doesn't work out. Like, what is even the point of Tails building a translator for the Wisps when all they have to say is already figured out by the time they can be translated: "Eggman has taken over our planets, capturing us for our Hyper-go-on energy, and you must free us and deactivate those generators you've already started doing". The plot has Tails get hit by Eggman's mind control ray, seemingly setting us up for a boss fight, only for the ray to run out of juice in, like, a minute. Which in turn severely casts doubt on Eggman's grand plan to mind control the planet with this ray since he ran out of energy for it very quickly, for one individual. Oh, but of course it turns out that whole thing was nothing to be concerned with anyway, since it was accidentally thwarted by Sonic after the first boss! So the only pressing matter of the story was saving the Wisps from Eggman. Too bad the story doesn't do much to make us actually care about the Wisps; the only Wisps who has any semblance of character is Yacker, and he ends up getting kidnapped off-screen! And chances are, you didn't even notice he was missing until Tails points out he hadn't seen Yacker in a while. So... What did this plot actually accomplish? Oh, but the gameplay definitely made up for all that, right...? For me, not in the slightest. If anything, Colors' gameplay and level design are the real reason why I was so disappointed with it. "Unleashed minus the Werehog" this game is not; the Day Stages of Unleashed were actually fun with level design appropriate for Sonic, and primarily 3D with some 2D segments. Colors is primarily 2D with some 3D segments that don't amount to much, and the level design is blocky platforming. Which I would argue completely goes against the Sonic series: Sonic had always set itself apart from other platformers by making heavy use of slopes, with blocky platforming being a rarity at best. Colors does pretty much the opposite of that, which seriously makes me question why so many folks thought this game was a "return to form" for Sonic. And it certainly doesn't help that this blocky level design does not synergize with the Boost gameplay. But outside of that, most of the levels were rife with moments that just ruin the pace of gameplay: mostly in the form of standing on buttons to make platforms very slowly move. So thrilling, right? Especially in comparison to the combat of Heroes and the Werehog levels?
  13. I see yet another "Why X matters" thread has been made, this time for Tails. And now it's got me tempted to make such threads for Amy and Cream 😆

  14. Honestly, the only character whose age I sincerely want changed is Amy's, aging her up from 12 to 14-15. Not just because of the whole "Sonic and Amy age gap debacle" which is fucking stupid anyway since it's a mere 3 year difference but I digress but she always came off more as a teen than a pre-teen. Aside from that, I've always accepted the canon ages. Sonic being a mere 15 years old, and Tails being 8, never struck me as odd and I can't really understand why a fair amount of people take issue with any of this. Avatar: TLA has its titular hero be a 12 year old boy, with the oldest member of his group being 15 (who then got supplanted as the oldest by Zuko, who was 16). And need I mention Ash Ketchum, who even outside of the movies had engaged in all sorts of dangerous adventures, is canonically 10...? At the end of the day, Sonic is aimed at kids, and kids gravitate to child and teen characters. And for all we know, Sonic characters probably age differently from humans, not unlike real life animals. Not gonna lie though, I'm starting to want Cream aged up to at least 10-years-old (with Tails, Charmy, and Marine aged up accordingly) since her being 6 seems to be doing her more bad than good 😑 Seriously, if it were any other character being told to stay on the sidelines instead of participate in a mission/fight because "It's too dangerous", fans would go into an uproar. But because Sally/Gemerl do this with Cream, it's A-OK. And don't get me started on the "too young to drive" nonsense.
  15. Before the "Chao Races and Badnik Bases" becomes too irrelevant to talk about, I just want to get my disappointment with how a certain character was utilized off my chest- 

     (No, the character ain't Shadow lol)

    1. Kaotic Kanine

      Kaotic Kanine

      For those who don't want to follow the link/read the Twitter thread: Cream should've been a major player in this arc. This story advertised itself as being centered around the Chao, which is Cream's schtick. Yet she ends up being a minor character at best, not doing nor even saying much even during the actual Chao portions. This is like if Espio was a mere tagalong in a story about ninjas, and as a Cream fan who'd been waiting too long for her to be a major/main character...? Yeah, massive disappointment.

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