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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to E-122-Psi in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    I'm flattered, but be prepared, I'm not always this positive on here.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to Styx_Linoone in Sonic Headcanons   
    I'd like to think Sticks the Badger as another addition to Team Rose. Like Vector, Blaze, Chao and Marine, she can be considered when the OG members are absent.
    Think about it, Sticks' only closest friend is Amy, and the two really like to hang out with each other. Not adding Cream in Boom was a massive missed opportunity since we could have had the Boom version of Team Rose. Plus, Cream's polite mannerisms and Sticks' opposing mannerisms can be played for a bit of laughs.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to DabigRG in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    Since there's quite of bit of discussion on Amy(again) going on at the moment, I thought I'd bring some of here
     
    See this is why I felt we needed both (spoilering this like it still matters for consistency)
     and at least ministories like backups or annual segments featuring the Restoration before things went down with the Virus. It would've given us an idea of both what they were normally doing for the world and offered opportunities for Amy's personality to be spotlighted in tandem so that we have both a reference point and some fleshing out for them interdependently.
    I kinda falls back on an underlying aspect of the "No Worldbuilding" criticism people had towards the IDW comic during it's first two years: it's not so much that we needed characters & locations to be introduced to so we have preestablished investment(although that certainly helps and has helped a little in places), but that we needed a status quo & time of decent health for the cast to feel at home at so that when Starline and Eggman cause the Pandemic, both us as veterans and others as objective newcomers would have things that would be compromised and changed because of it.
    We'd have seen an Amy who is like the Ultimate Good Samaratin being a representative of a charitable organization and an encouraging voice for others, We'd have seen a quirky Chaotix who does small time cases with plenty talent & little luck suddenly leading an evacuation where their professionalism about helping the little guy is put to the test, We'd have seen how people like Tails initially acclimate to a world where Eggman is no longer a thing(if we didn't in that one issue anyway). Among other things.
    It also brings to mind how this was supposed to be happening after Issue 300 of the Archie Reboot, which would've had a lot of character establishment, worldbuilding, and other fun asides already having taken place, but that's another matter for another time.
    EDIT: While looking through old posts, I came across this factoid again
     
    So now I'm thinking the Villains Miniseries will involve introducing or maybe even finding them.
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    Kaotic Kanine got a reaction from Volcan Pacaya in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    Somehow, I think we'll be good friends 😆 
    Can't believe I never consciously realized that until you brought it up 😅 But this is definitely my biggest contention with IDW!Amy, in addition to the lack of her hyperactive and bubbly behavior. Amy is supposed to be a girl who lived a mundane life and, out of boredom and wanting to be alongside her beloved Sonic, tries to transition herself into a life of adventure. She's better suited as a recurring character (albeit a main or major one) having adventures of her own on the side and doing small-scale heroics so as to eventually catch up with Sonic in that regard (but of course still not hesitating to tag along with Sonic if she could). If she has to lead a group, which is a solid development for her, it has to be a small, rag-tag group comprised of individuals with similar background and experience to her (such as a certain young rabbit). Amy being in charge of a large-scale organization/army and leading it like a highly organized tactician... Is jarring. 
    Granted, the 2000's games never really followed up on that development I outlined, but Amy was still clearly that average girl forcing herself into all sorts of situations out of desire to help and stuff. And the Archie Comics, Pre-Reboot and Post-Reboot, also accomplished that role. 
    I still think Amy can still be essential to the Resistance/Restoration without abandoning her passion, namely by being a front-line fighter and keeping morale high with her spirited charm. Not by being a planner, which was never her forte. Rouge, having been established since the beginning as a government agent and high-class thief, is better suited as a planner (albeit maybe not commanding masses, but still). 
    But fair enough about the situations forcing Amy to adapt for the sake of it. I suppose I'll withhold further criticisms until the Metal Virus Saga is well and truly over, and then see how Amy is characterized when she's not forced to lead the Resistance/Restoration. 
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    Kaotic Kanine got a reaction from Volcan Pacaya in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    That is a good point about Amy still being a people's person, and that is indeed a key part of her character 
    But for me, Amy's key traits are also her boundless energy, unbridled passion, and undying optimism. And from what I've seen of her IDW self thus far, she doesn't demonstrate much of that, if any at all, for me to see it as an extension of her character. Especially in comparison to most of the other characters, who behave and speak much more like how they always have. Again, when you got Amy asking Cream how she stays sunny and cheerful, in a situation wherein Cream would actually be doubtful at best, and a canon foreigner displaying all of Amy's iconic traits while Amy herself hardly displays them at all, it's hard to see that as the same character 
    I'd be willing to accept Amy becoming mature and taking charge of an organization to help people all over. But she's gotta be like herself while doing so. And with the lack of energy, strong emotion, and especially the optimism... What does IDW!Amy have in common with Amy of the games besides appearance, name, and being a people's person? At this point, IDW!Amy behaves more like her "Sonic the Comic" self than her early game self. And unlike most, I do NOT like StC!Amy nor think it an iteration of Amy to take inspiration from (alongside Boom)
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    Kaotic Kanine got a reaction from Volcan Pacaya in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    My problem with IDW!Amy, though, is that while she does have a personality compared to her modern game-self, the personality she does have is contrary to the character she was established as 
    Way I see Amy, at least how she was from Adventure-Generations (arguably even the Classic games), she is a Genki Girl and embodies "heart". For the "genkiness", Amy's so full of energy that she never tires out, and in fact is able to tire out Sonic with her personality, and bursts with confidence and determination. And for heart, Amy not only thinks with her heart more than her brain but wears her heart on her sleeve; it's a major reason why she's so open about her love for Sonic and doesn't see any reason to hide it, nor feel shame for it (those latter things being present in Boom!Amy is primary reason I dislike that version of the character: she feels shame for her crush on Sonic and actively hides it). Overall, Amy is the "Emotion" of the cast, no less "chaotic" than Sonic himself, and as a leader she's the "Headstrong" and/or "Charismatic" type (clarification here) 
    IDW, though, has Amy being highly organized and logical. She leads others not through force of personality and intense determination but with a level-head and plans. And Amy of IDW abandons her intense energy and emotion in favor of being far more grounded and a methodical thinker, to the point of demanding Sonic to rejoin the Resistance because "working from a centralized, organized position is way more effective". In the aftermath of the Battle for Angel Island, IDW!Amy spends her time cataloging resources, and afterward runs herself doing paperwork for the Restoration and expressing hesitation at coming along with Sonic on an adventure. And come the Metal Virus Saga, Amy finds herself getting tired out and losing hope as the saga goes on; Amy, a character most famous for her optimism, to the point of being the only character beside Sonic himself to NOT lose hope when Perfect Dark Gaia was engulfing the planet in everlasting darkness, losing hope... The fact that Amy ended up asking Cream how she stays so sunny and cheerful, and Tangle would go on to demonstrate the exact energy, passion, and optimism Amy used to showcase, only confirmed to me that IDW!Amy is not Amy. If anything, she comes off a lot more like Sally, which I know is such a common accusation that most are getting tired of. But comparisons, especially that of only one other character, don't come from a vacuum. And really, compare IDW!Amy's dialogue to that of her dialogue in the Adventure games, Heroes, Unleashed, Riders (specifically 1 and 2) or even Shadow and Sonic 06. Tell me that IDW!Amy talks like the Amy's of those games...
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to E-122-Psi in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    Truth be told the first game I played with the 3D canon and voice work was Heroes, and amusingly one of my first reliefs was that Amy was vibrant like her earlier STC self and not her later 'boring' one. 
    I think the thing about Amy however is that she was an 'everygirl' originally, not in personality, but in role. She was the normal one most in touch with the public world. This is why Team Rose fit together I suppose since they were all characters who had simple lives and joined the heroic actions for character motivated reasons, not to be part of the unit. That's where she is meant to be different from Sally in a key way since Sally is the opposite, being royalty and very formal and professional, though succumbing to personal emotions when faced with very pragmatic decisions. Amy doesn't even have that weakness right now. She just does not fit the all business routine, she was always a normal little girl that had to force herself into the mix through her own passion.
    This is where I don't buy the 'maturing' excuse, sure I could understand Amy being more cooperative and being trusted with important missions more, but there's a way to develop a character without dismissing all their individuality and motivation as an artefact of how flawed they were originally. This is why I wasn't sold on Antoine's 'maturing' in the comics, since it felt more like just making Antoine another obedient and face-value-competent-but-unimportant bit player. There's LOADS of directions they could have taken Antoine with the premise that he could actually back up his bragging more often, after all so can Sonic and he's hardly a well behaved prop.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to Diogenes in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    Honestly I feel like the whole "choose Sonic over the world" thing is the least of the problems with Amy's characterization even if you do interpret it as literally sacrificing the world instead of him. It's not the objectively/morally "correct" choice but it feels like the right choice for Amy as a character. She's not supposed to be evaluating every situation rationally and dispassionately, she's a young girl with a major crush on half of the equation.
    And I feel it's hard to hold it against her when she's ultimately right; killing Sonic would, at best, just be killing an innocent 'hog, and at worst, is part of Mephy's plan and would bring about the end of existence as we know it.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to Kuzu in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    No he's right; the point of the scene is for Silver to question if killing Sonic is the right thing to do to save the world by having Amy establish her unyielding faith in the guy. Out of context, it can certainly be taken the wrong way and given Amy's reputation at the time, most people definitely did take it the wrong way. But the sentiment is still there. 
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    Kaotic Kanine got a reaction from Plumbers_Helper in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    My problem with IDW!Amy, though, is that while she does have a personality compared to her modern game-self, the personality she does have is contrary to the character she was established as 
    Way I see Amy, at least how she was from Adventure-Generations (arguably even the Classic games), she is a Genki Girl and embodies "heart". For the "genkiness", Amy's so full of energy that she never tires out, and in fact is able to tire out Sonic with her personality, and bursts with confidence and determination. And for heart, Amy not only thinks with her heart more than her brain but wears her heart on her sleeve; it's a major reason why she's so open about her love for Sonic and doesn't see any reason to hide it, nor feel shame for it (those latter things being present in Boom!Amy is primary reason I dislike that version of the character: she feels shame for her crush on Sonic and actively hides it). Overall, Amy is the "Emotion" of the cast, no less "chaotic" than Sonic himself, and as a leader she's the "Headstrong" and/or "Charismatic" type (clarification here) 
    IDW, though, has Amy being highly organized and logical. She leads others not through force of personality and intense determination but with a level-head and plans. And Amy of IDW abandons her intense energy and emotion in favor of being far more grounded and a methodical thinker, to the point of demanding Sonic to rejoin the Resistance because "working from a centralized, organized position is way more effective". In the aftermath of the Battle for Angel Island, IDW!Amy spends her time cataloging resources, and afterward runs herself doing paperwork for the Restoration and expressing hesitation at coming along with Sonic on an adventure. And come the Metal Virus Saga, Amy finds herself getting tired out and losing hope as the saga goes on; Amy, a character most famous for her optimism, to the point of being the only character beside Sonic himself to NOT lose hope when Perfect Dark Gaia was engulfing the planet in everlasting darkness, losing hope... The fact that Amy ended up asking Cream how she stays so sunny and cheerful, and Tangle would go on to demonstrate the exact energy, passion, and optimism Amy used to showcase, only confirmed to me that IDW!Amy is not Amy. If anything, she comes off a lot more like Sally, which I know is such a common accusation that most are getting tired of. But comparisons, especially that of only one other character, don't come from a vacuum. And really, compare IDW!Amy's dialogue to that of her dialogue in the Adventure games, Heroes, Unleashed, Riders (specifically 1 and 2) or even Shadow and Sonic 06. Tell me that IDW!Amy talks like the Amy's of those games...
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to DabigRG in Popular and unpopular Sonic opinions you agree and disagree with!   
    This is a better argument for that comparison than most have given that I recall.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to thumbs13 in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    I think that's a big problem honestly, people dislike one thing, so therefore the opposite of that thing is good.
    People don't like Amy's crush, so the games that downplay it to nonexistance are good by default, no deeper look or introspection required.
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    Kaotic Kanine got a reaction from thumbs13 in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    To answer the OP: no, Amy was never "that bad". And not gonna lie, I'm very annoyed with the people who do say she was "that bad" because of how it has influenced Amy's character since Lost World, which I've always felt was a step back for her 
    The only times Amy did get close to "that bad" in the games were Sonic Battle and Sonic Rush, but both games are guilty of questionable writing for most of the characters anyway; with Battle having everyone being fight-happy (sans Cream, who had her pacifism dialed up to eleven even though the preceding Advance 2 and Heroes had her directly fighting without issue), while Rush had everyone except Sonic and Blaze at their most one-dimensional. Aside from those two games, I fail to see the "obsessed psycho stalker" people claim Amy to be in this era 
    Everyone points to that moment in Heroes, but as KKM pointed out, they all seem to overlook how that cutscene, as well as the other ones preceding the Team Battles, had everyone holding the Conflict Ball for the sake of a boss fight. Amy threatening Sonic marry her is no more accurate to her character than Rouge picking a fight with Team Chaotix just cause, Espio demanding a little girl to hand over her pet chao in a threatening manner, and Sonic calling the guy whom he saw die helping him save the planet "stubborn and full of surprises" and subsequently fighting him for no real reason. I think we all know that Amy wouldn't dare hurt Sonic unless he did something to enrage her (such as the Team Hero ending to Riders 1, which had Amy attack Sonic in retaliation for sending a vortex at herself and Eggman), just as Rouge wouldn't needlessly attack a trio of guys unless she knew they were definitely after Eggman's treasure (which they weren't) and Espio wouldn't threaten an innocent child for their pet. And outside of that one instance, Heroes didn't handle Amy anywhere near as bad as made out to be. Yeah, she was searching after Sonic in the first two levels, but so were Cream and Big because their clue to the whereabouts of Chocola and Froggy made them all believe Sonic had something to do with it. After that confrontation with Team Sonic, Amy shifted focus solely on searching for Chocola and Froggy, with the only mention of Sonic I can recall being the in-game cutscene before Egg Emperor, and then resuming her chase for Sonic after Chocola and Froggy were saved
    And Amy wasn't even bad in any of the other 2000's games. In Shadow, Amy would muse about Sonic sometimes but was mainly focused on rescuing Cream from the haunted castle and cheered on Shadow just as she would Sonic. Riders and Zero Gravity had Amy playfully flirt with Sonic on first meeting him but afterward she would be genuinely involved in the events of both games; challenging Wave in retaliation for insulting Tails, going after Eggman when he headed for Babylon Garden, and tagging along with Team Sonic to solve the Ark of the Cosmos mystery. Sonic 06, while having Amy searching for Sonic for no real reason beyond her crush on him (and pulling that stupid gag with Silver), that game also gave Amy an incredibly badass moment via defending Sonic from Silver with just a glare and then getting Silver to question his planned method to save the future (that is, murder). Granted, Amy didn't do much else in Sonic 06, but she was inoffensive at most. And before anyone @'s me about the "choosing Sonic over the world", that line is not Amy saying that she'd sacrifice the world in favor of Sonic: she saying was that she'd stick by Sonic even if the whole world turned against him, because she firmly knows that Sonic would never intentionally endanger the world nor turn evil. Definitely a poor choice of words for Amy that should've been revised, but that was the intent behind them. And the worst one could say about Amy in Unleashed was needing to be saved from the possessed Assistant. Black Knight could've done better, but honestly, wouldn't you be pissed at a trusted friend missing out on another date and claiming they were sucked into a storybook? And likewise, Generations could've also done better but Amy in that game isn't all that offensive 
    So, putting Sonic X, Battle, and Rush aside... Amy wasn't that bad. Really, only thing that held her back from being a "great" character was being forced into a supporting role for Sonic. But thing is, you can have Amy be a main, independent character without erasing her personality and quirks, including the open and unabashed love for Sonic. But all the recent games have done with Amy is erase said personality and quirks, or at least tone them down to non-existent levels, while still keeping her a support for Sonic. So all that has been accomplished for Amy is taking away her character without actually improving her. She's not "independent and mature" now, she's just plain. But so long Amy's not fawning over Sonic, apparently that's enough to make her great 🙄 
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to The KKM in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    Being a fighting game, EVERYONE's hyper-aggressive in it. Faulting the characters for it feels to me a bit like faulting characters in a racing game for wanting to solve everything with racing.
     
    EDIT: Really, these arguments are really sort of bizarre to me because it feels like everyone's coming from an alien world with alien versions of these games where context doesn't exist. Like, she didn't corner Sonic to make her marry him in SA2, she bantered a bit before rescuing him regardless. She wanted to beat him in Heroes, but as it turns out cutscenes exist to facilitate gameplay and EVERYONE wanted to beat everyone so we could have those bossfights.
    Yet it feels it's only with Amy that people insist in not taking things like that in context, ignoring stuff like Espio wanting to steal Cheese instead of asking "is that your Chao, little girl, because we're rescuing Chao and if you just found that one that might be one of the Chao we're rescuing" but making sure every single little exaggerated-for-gameplay Amy moment or comedic short-tempered moment sticks around and is never forgotten, overshadowing everything else she was doing.
    And now here's the result. She's been turned into Minnie Mouse but responsible. She spends Lost World just going "oh me oh my", she spends Forces and IDW doing leadership stuff, she's made into the bossy almost-"Karen" of the group in Sonic Boom for laughs. As usual, Sega overcorrecting things, and then patting themselves for it (you seen that Sega guy say how proud they were of how Amy now isn't a damsel in distress? Despite her not having been so for like 20 years?). But I can't help but be frustrated because their overcorrections are addressing complaints that by and large shouldn't exist in the first place.
    Hope we can eventually get a fun energetic optimistic lovable Amy back.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to Plumbers_Helper in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    I just want to say Amy always was one of my favorite characters. Part of that is her unbridled passion, regardless if she's happy, sad, or just down right scary. It's right there in her theme song, My Sweet Passion. She can get so wrapped up in her emotions that she tends to overlook the feelings of others, but it's not because she doesn't care about others feelings - far from it. She's one of the most compassionate of the main group. If Sonic is the ace, Tails the brains and Knuckles the brawn, then Amy is the heart. A good example of what I mean is the beginning of her story in Sonic Adventure, at first she's angry that someone ran into to her...until she realizes it's a bird that was hurt. From that point on she never gives up on the bird.

    I've always enjoyed Amy, weather it be in the games or Sonic X. The only time I ever didn't like her actions was that one part in Sonic Heroes where she fought Sonic so she could marry him. Even her infamous line in Sonic 06 of choosing Sonic over the world, to me, just shows how much she trusts and believes in Sonic over the word of a stranger. Even now, Amy's excitement over finding out Sonic was still alive in Sonic Forces "What!? Oh, thank goodness! I knew it! I knew it!" was the only time I got a genuine smile out of that game. There hasn't been much change to Amy that I've noticed, though it is a bit disappointing to see them tone down Amy's affection for Sonic. Her trying to grab Sonic to give him a big hug has been a thing since Amy's very first game appearance, I thought it was cute but I understand completely if someone finds it creepy or annoying.
    I can see why some people would see Amy as being annoying, excitable and passionate characters usually only result in two out comes: Either you get absorbed into their personality and enjoy them, or you find them painfully obnoxious and annoying. I fall into the former, but I understand the criticisms of those that fall into the later. Sonic Battle was an odd depiction of her in retrospect.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to D.H in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    In the interest of fairness, I think it's worth pointing out that she was clearly joking with the whole "prison island" scene. She even played it off when Sonic dismissed her efforts. But again, the issue isn't so much her crush on Sonic (which is still there), but moreso how she's not really doing much in the mainline games, despite her character "developing" in recent years. Even IDW!Amy, which I don't have much issue with, one could make the argument that Amy was just as active in the post-SGW Archie comics than she is now.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to D.H in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    Yeah. I mean don't get me wrong, Amy had some bad writing in the mid-2000s games (Battle, Rush for example), but Heroes!Amy being only defined by that one scene when the entire game was filled with characters acting like idiots so they have a reason to fight each other is a bit silly to me. She led her own team, kept their motivations high even when they felt like things weren't going well & actually showed something resembling leadership capabilities.
    And I can't exactly agree with dismissing her Adventure 1 story, just because SEGA dropped the ball on developing it a few games afterwards. Tails & Shadow got similar treatment after a while too, but it doesn't discount their stories & how well done they were.
    Yeah, she did. Again, I'd consider Sonic Battle to be a better example of how poorly Amy's character was handled, because she had far more terrible moments in that game.
    Thinking about it, I suppose the biggest issue I have with Amy's character these days is how much they're talking about how "empowered, mature & improved" she is, without really showing it. Lost World she was on the sidelines for the entire game & she spent most of Forces in the background, talking to Buddy. Most of her better moments ever since they started this new direction for the character came from external media, like IDW or LEGO Dimensions, while she continues to do very little in the actual mainline games. It may be a bit too early so I'm not gonna write off this interpretation of her or anything, but if they're actually developing the character, I would like to see her take an active role in the plot again, while still maintaining her positive/energetic personality. Shouldn't be too much to ask for, I don't think.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to 4th Chaos Emerald in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    Like I said before, that was a running gag. And her only trait wasn't being "volatile and violent"(which was also a running gag, in itself). Her thing was she could see the good in anyone. We seen that with Gamma and Shadow. 
    The SA1 arc DID amount to something. It amounted to her having her own team and sidekick in Heroes, just like her hero. 
    I respectfully disagree with that opinion. In my honest opinion, the "new" Amy is just an average female character. I can't even tell you how IDW Amy acts like. And that's not even being biased. I actually cannot.
    What can we see come out of Tails's independent arc after Heroes?
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to 4th Chaos Emerald in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    EVERYONE was exaggerated in those games you mentioned. EVERYONE. This is is exactly what I was talking about when I said how people only seem to care when it's Amy that's being flanderized. But like I also said, Amy had her own team and sidekick in Heroes.
    When did SA1 Amy ever "stalk" Sonic? She actually approached Sonic so he could help the "birdie" and it was actually HIM who was acting weird first. Then the rest of the game, she's helping Gamma and the bird.
    It's not weak for a female characters to have a crush on Sonic. Think of all the movies with a strong "male" character and romantic subplot. Does that make them weak? This is even a thing in stories made by female writers like Twilight.
     
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to D.H in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    The thing with Amy is that there doesn't seem to be much of a middle ground with her portrayals in a lot of Sonic media. It's either "overly obsessed with Sonic, a temper that gets played up way too often & despite getting involved in the action she doesn't get many moments to shine," or "spends most of the story in the background doing next to nothing, has 1 or maybe 2 lines about liking Sonic & rarely ever getting involved in the action," which SEGA apparently considers a more "matured/empowered" version of Amy. 
    I can only speak for myself obviously, but I've always felt like the best version of Amy Rose would be her post-reboot Archie characterization. She retained most of the quirks of her character as a bubbly Sonic-loving fangirl, but was more than capable of handling herself while also having interests in stuff outside of Sonic. I don't hate the current version of Amy Rose, but she feels incredibly bland right now & the insistence that they've improved her just feels a bit disingenuous to me.
    To be fair, I can kinda see where they're coming from. She's absolutely a core member of the cast, but Amy has never really been given much focus in the games main story like Shadow, Blaze, or Knuckles have gotten before.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to thumbs13 in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    Yes, Rush and Battle existed.

    The new Amy is definitely overcorrecting, though, and it's really weird to pretend that typing on a computer in Forces makes her a more engaging character than playing as her in Adventure 1, Heroes, and the Advance games, though.
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to 4th Chaos Emerald in Was Amy ever THAT bad?   
    My honest answer? No. The crush was played as a running gag, yet people treated it like a serious plot point. All the characters were exaggerrated in certain games, yet people only seemed to notice Amy. She was only the "damsel" in CD. People forget she rescued herself in Adventure 1 and even Sonic in the next game!
    I see there's been more focus to make Amy more "independent" but wasn't that already her arc in Adventure 1? In that same game, she stopped Sonic and Tails from turning Gamma into scrap metal. In the Adventure games, she turned Gamma and Shadow  against the villains. (However, a common argument I see is that anybody else would've did the same. False. Sonic and Tails were going to turn Gamma into scrap metal. Sonic butt heads with Shadow because of his immaturity. On the other hand, Amy wouldn't fight Zero until he hurt the bird she was defending) In Heroes, she had her own sidekick and team.
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    Kaotic Kanine got a reaction from Sonario in Am I the only one who hates new Amy?   
    Yes, I'd call it a failure. If you created a character mostly specifically to be the partner to an already established character but then fail to show them as an effective and compelling duo, that's "epic fail" levels of writing 
    And honestly speaking? Only reason why Cream seemingly works better with Blaze is because it was the first game with an actual narrative she got to have a major role in. Advance 2, Advance 3, and Heroes were very light on plot, and Battle's story was focused almost entirely on Emerl, so Cream couldn't get to really display her character much, let alone get some decent moments with other characters. Rush was the first and so far only time wherein Cream had a major part in it, and it just so happened that role was to be the first ever friend to "loner from another dimension" Blaze. Had we gotten a game that paired Amy and Cream for the entirety, with their bond being the focus of the narrative, I'm sure many would be singing a different tune. And it could've been, say, Charmy as Blaze's guide/first friend in Rush's story and very little would've changed in that respect. I'm just saying, I don't think it's so much that the writers found it more interesting to pair Cream with Blaze so much as Blaze's story called for a character to bond with to "defrost" her icy personality and they settled on Cream, and Blaze/Cream isn't inherently more interesting than Amy/Cream; the former only had the fortune of having its relationship actually shown and the bond being plot significant... 
    I admittedly do seem to view Amy and Cream's respective characters far differently from how others view them. Like, I'm actually baffled that a lot of people here have claimed Amy to not be an Action Girl even though, starting with Heroes (or even Adventure 1, arguably), Amy became one of the more combat capable characters. Not nearly as active as Sonic, Shadow, and Knuckles, sure, but that's because they're given far more attention than Amy...
    I mean, the same could be said with most other characters. For instance, Tails contrasts far more with Shadow than Sonic, and Tails also doesn't really get to display his personality with "impulsive and always on the move" Sonic. Doesn't mean we should make Tails into Shadow's partner, nevermind that he was designed from the get-go to be Sonic's sidekick.
    But even putting that aside, I still feel Amy is the better character for Cream to be paired with since the two mutually benefit each other; as I mentioned in my previous post, Amy gets Cream to adventure more (due to her outgoing nature and own desire for a life of adventure, and she could influence Cream to be more outspoken and assertive. Meanwhile Cream allows Amy to, ironically, be more independent (in the sense that Amy would be doing more of her own things with Cream by her side rather than constantly following after Sonic, and the rabbit influences her to be more of her own hero rather than relying on Sonic for the most part) and Cream could motivate Amy to calm down a little and listen more, so as to not cause much trouble for the both of them. With Blaze and Gemerl, though, Cream only has things to give them. Blaze needed Cream to become more open to making friends and learn to accept help from others, and any potential "growth" Cream could provide Gemerl is teaching him to be less of a war machine. But what do they provide to Cream in return aside from another friend and a new family member respectively? Blaze isn't an active adventurer like Amy (only taking action when the Sol Emeralds or her own dimension is involved), so she doesn't make Cream more active, and she sure as heck can't help Cream work on her own personality flaws since Blaze's character doesn't really challenge them, or at least not as much as Amy can. And Gemerl... The very nature of his character means he can only learn from other characters and not so much provide anything to them. Not even a lesson on how sometimes violence is a necessary solution, since Cream already learned that from Emerl 
    Hence why I said the characters I mentioned are variations of the dynamic between Amy and Cream. They don't share the exact same personalities or even archetypes, but their respective dynamics are comparable. In the case of Lotte, while Cream isn't insecure and as passive as her, they're both the calm, rational counterparts to the excitable and trouble-making Amy/Akko; they both share the purpose of keeping their "head in the cloud" friend grounded and get them to actually think things through rather than tackle all situations with reckless abandon, while that excitable friend helps their more reserved friend become more outspoken and listen to their heart more (haven't watched much of LWA to know if this is accurate, but that's the gist I get from those two) 
    And I think Cream works better if she's Amy's sidekick, going on adventures alongside her. Especially right now since Amy, for all my complaining about how she is as of now, is becoming more and more of a main character, or at least getting promoted alongside the Classic Trio. Meanwhile Cream's presence has only been reduced further and further, to the point that Omochao and a trio of normal Chao were chosen over her for a mainstream racing title, for the very team she established alongside Amy and Big. Because the unfortunate truth is that this franchise has little to no use for "little side adventures", at least for the time being. Being paired with Amy again is the best way to save Cream from increasing obscurity and possibly phased out of the cast entirely. And, getting this thread back on topic, Cream's presence could allow for Amy to have an actual personality again, since she would have a character to consistently interact with and bounce off of
    With Blaze, again, that cat doesn't really provide much to Cream, and Cream sure as heck won't have more much needed presence if she's to firmly be Blaze's sidekick since, again, Blaze herself has a fairly minimal presence given her established background and motivation. Besides, I'd rather Marine be returned from "retirement" to serve as Blaze's sidekick, especially since she is also an inhabitant of Blaze's dimension and contrasts from Blaze just as much if not more than Cream 
    I heavily apologize if I'm coming off heated. I understand your points and I think we should jut agree to disagree. I just care a lot about Amy and Cream's relationship and am beyond tired of people (not specifically you but plenty of others) saying things would be better if they weren't partners. Especially if Blaze is the suggested alternative for Cream, solely because of Rush. But I'll admit, I've garnered a heavy bias against Blaze because plenty fans use Blaze to denounce Amy, such as the case with this spoilered image... So having Blaze take Amy's intended sidekick is like the ultimate spit in the face
     
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    Kaotic Kanine got a reaction from Sonario in Am I the only one who hates new Amy?   
    That's only because Cream's most meaningful appearances were the handheld games, of which Amy was only significant in Advance 1 (which predated Cream's debut and had a non-existent plot) and Battle (which warped Amy into a character no one would want to interact with). Cream's only console appearances was Heroes (which deliberately had little story, and thus little time for meaningful interaction with anyone), Shadow the Hedgehog (wherein Cream was a mission objection, for a single level 😑), and Generations (Nuff said). So of course Amy and Cream's friendship is rarely shown: the writers don't allow them to appear together much at all. So, forgive me if I feel it a tad unfair to write off Amy and Cream's partnership because of the foolish decisions of the writers 
    Honestly, it really astounds me that people have come to feel Amy and Cream don't make for good partners to each other when their respective characteristics makes for a great dynamic. One is an overwhelmingly excitable and optimistic girl who overcomes obstacles with physical force and has the "force of will" to take charge in any situation, and the other is a calm and more realist girl who prefers to overcome conflict peacefully (and should that fail, has her pet do the physical force on her behalf) and is inclined to be a follower due to her passiveness. This is a successful dynamic by description alone, and variations of this dynamic has been successfully used in other media (off the top of my head, there's Joy and Sadness of "Inside Out", Akko and Lotte of "Little Witch Academia", and to a lesser degree Helga and Phoebe of "Hey Arnold"). Amy and Cream really should be on the same level as Sonic and Tails in terms of bond and chemistry, and the fact that this is not the case is a massive failure on part of the writers rather than the characters 
    So how about, instead of separating Amy and Cream from each other and overall exasperating this issue, we address the relative lack of interaction and overall fix and improve their relationship. Have those two appear together more frequently, don't have Amy be absolutely bratty/Sonic obsessed when tagging along with Cream (which by extension fuels the false perception that Cream makes Amy a worse character when, again, that's the fault of the writers rather than something inherent to Cream), maybe modify Cream's character so she doesn't overlap with Amy as much and play up her traits that do contrast with Amy, and showcase the two as an effective duo. In addition to the description of them I wrote above, Amy and Cream can benefit each other's respective characters; Cream gives Amy someone to interact with beyond just Sonic and his immediate friends (seeing how an apparently big criticism of Amy is how she's only shown with Sonic), motivates the hedgehog to work on her personality flaws so as to be a good role model to her younger and impressionable partner, and Amy can demonstrate her leadership capabilities far more often with a constant partner to, well, lead. And Amy gives Cream a reason to adventure beyond "I/my family got kidnapped", can give Cream some much needed character development by indirectly teaching the girl to be more assertive and adventurous, and also motivate the rabbit to be more physically capable in order to be a better help to her sisterly friend. It really isn't hard to salvage Amy and Cream's friendship...
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    Kaotic Kanine reacted to DabigRG in Am I the only one who hates new Amy?   
    Yeah, while there are some nods and touches in smaller places plus Amy's story in Battle, they really couldn't get too much farther than Shadow's game because they either limited their ability to interact and/or ended up outdoing it with other characters. 
    Oh really?
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