Dee Dude

See told you flying battery was difficult

Sonic fans aren't that petty, c'mon.

I hope not.

@Celestia I admire your optimism. 

you'd be surprised how many people are saying it's the best sonic in 23 years, or "was it that hard to just make another 2D game sega, etc"

but like I said before sonic team had it coming so I can see where their side is coming from, they get (almost) no pity from me

That's a pretty paranoid way of thinking

Gotta love that good old vocal minority.

Also, I understand ST but Sega? Like going after them makes no sense. Not only did they allow for this to even happen but they're laughing all the way to the fucking bank.

I know they're most likely nice people but sometimes I wonder Whitehead and the whole team does the same thing...

When it comes to SEGA it doesn't make much sense and also I don't care cuz companies are bad, as a general rule.

When it comes to the devs I do care cuz they almost certainly have to deal with some shit (hence me not caring about companies). Plus I kinda like ST's games nowadays, even if the series' current direction isn't ideal.

Hmm I doubt Whitehead and the team would be like take that sonic team. I think their more honored that people love a game they made.

Sometimes I wonder how the devs at Sonic Team handle the criticism. Likely most of them could give a damn, but surely some of them care.

I don't know how I'd cope if all day everyday all I heard from people was that everything I create is shit.

...i wonder if that's why Hashimoto left for Square-Enix after Unleashed came out......

Also to expand a bit on my first comment: yes there's people who are super petty about this stuff, but I highly doubt any of 'em only praise the game just to spite people.

Also I switched from Sonic & Tails to just Sonic this time.

I think the duo mechanic feels pointless this time.

until you feel like playing as sonic and flying at the same time

I couldn't really find a way to activate Tails' flying in some way so I just went screw it and go solo smoothly without Tails dying everywhere lol.

Basically you hold "up" and then jump

Hold up and press jump twice.

Hold up and jump?

ALL I HAD TO DO WAS HOLD UP AND JUMP?!

WHAT THE FU-

*bing*

"Game Over"

Btw you know how to do the drop dash right? Similar weird thing that the game doesn't really explain to you.

Yep, now I'm kinda disappointed that they probably won't incorporate it in the modern games.

Could be useful.

Sonic + Tails when you know how to fly is really fun tbh. Basically the only game in the series you don't need a second player for to actually make it feel like Sonic and his best buddy Tails are running through the levels actively helping each other out.

Unless the taxman remakes have the feature, as well. Still though.

Now I feel bad when you put like that Delete lol.

He was there for you in the most difficult times

He made an effort to help you out even when he didn't need to

Grabbed you those rings when you needed them most

And this is how you repay him?

Wait till you get to flying battery

Hoo boy....

Am I suppossed to be surprised that so many people are doing badly at this game?

I don't know what to think anymore, maybe everyone who doesn't dedicate their time to learning this crap is bad lol

or maybe because the instant death placement is BS?...

Nah, it's not really BS

Just git gud innit 

I just did a Tails playthrough live stream where I finished with 49 lives...

You just need to practice.

Yeah, the block placement in Chemical Plant is pretty dumb. You should at least be able to stand still without being crushed; why on earth is it harder and more obtuse than the original?

Flying battery doesn't have any unfair deaths, though, I don't think? Unless you want to avoid potentially falling off the stage. In that case just take the upper route. It's slightly safer and just as fun.

Uh, no

You can definitely get crushed in Sonic 2's CPZ lmao

I don't want to single you out, this is a complaint I've heard for the past 6 or so years and not just relating to sonic...

...One thing I notice though is that people who complain first and question second do so in a very black and white way. Something is either cheap or its not...there is no in-between.

The reality is is that there are a whole bunch of grey areas that you could label this stuff as, so when I come along having years of hindsight on various different platformers, and someone calls a thing cheap when its actually not cheap...I feel very inclined to call it out, even though 9 times out of 10 I don't because people take things the wrong way online and think I'm being rude. (Ironically when people tell me I suck at something it motivates me to get better.)

Its a simple fact of life that when you dedicate more time to learning something you view it more in the long term/view the whole picture than just focusing on that specific moment. You might see a cheap thing, I see something I KNOW isn't a big deal. Instant death doesn't always equal cheap and if it does then its never that linear...its always more complicated than that because games are always that complicated...

@Dee Dude IDK, hopefully that was helpful and I explained myself well! Git Gud lol

Geez Alien, I didn't need a lecture, I just it was mere level bs.

Well I can't really detect sarcasm online so...

I guess I'm not one to complain about that stuff, if anything just don't get crushed if you see something that can crush you, its an oversimplification is all I'm saying, its the sort of thing that one wouldn't complain about if they were actually good at the game. (Not trying to knock your skill level or anything, this game has a pretty high skill ceiling so naturally...)

There's one section in the final zone that's a total dick with crush deaths. And it's in a marathon level on top of that.

@The Deleter act 2 was tough and the boss was confusing. Which gave me a time over and game over

@Tracker_TD: Just went back and played it as a refresher, and alright yeah, it's basically the same. The stage has a lot more instances outside of that section where you get raised into what seems to be a perfectly normal gap that kills you, so that's what I was thinking about, in hindsight.

@Tails spin: Really? It was pretty easy to figure out for me. Even went a step beyond and learned how to cheese him by simply

@The Deleter I took to long in the act so when i got to him and finally figured it out I timed out

Have fun

to be fair, one of those is a game nobody asked for and a lot of people shit on

the other one is Federation Force

(joking, if you couldn't understand that)

They renamed the game to Sonic Federation Force?

There's also Contra Force that was also disliked by the fans of the series (rather like those examples), The Force Unleashed games being mixed, SOCOM: Special Forces killed the series since the fans didn't want an actiony title when they were more tactical, similar thing happened to Commandos Strike Force, the Fighting Force beat em ups (originally a spiritual successor to the Streets of Rage series) were disliked, Justice League: Task Force is considered to be one of the worst Blizzard games and not many people liked Brute Force on the Xbox.

Yet there's the Thunder Force series of games, with 3 and 4 being some of the best shoot em ups/shmups that you can get. Star Wars: Dark Forces was a nifty Doom clone that involved into its own series. Plus Galaxy Force II that had nice scaling graphics, Burning Force that is a cult Space Harrier type of game and don't forget the Earth Defense Force series that has a cult following along with its unrelated shmup E.D.F: Earth Defense Force. Mighty Switch Force series is a nice platforming puzzle game. CT Forces is an okay Metal Slug clone series on the GBA that was better than the official game that got released and Delta Force was one of the earlier games that used voxels. Life Force is also another good shump (known as Salamander where I'm from).

Then there's the Shining Force series that started strong then Japan only then got what the fans didn't want when they brought it back and now just Japan only. So the odds look a bit mixed for the Sonic game...

I'd rather just play Mania, thanks.

YOU ARE NEXT TO ME AND IM EXT TO YOU

Gross.

PUSHING ON THROUGH TO PLAY SONIC ONE!!!

NO ONES GONNA GIVE A THING TO US

INTO EACH OTHER WE PUT OUR TRUST

into sonic team

STANDING DIVIDED, AFRAID OF THE HEIGHTS,

ALL ALONE, WE'LL NEVER BE satisfied

THE TWO OF GAMES ARE HOLDING THE KEY

WE SEE TODAY, GOOD GAMES WE COULDN'T SEE

Azoo: "BEFORE I SAY GOODBYE TO YOU,"

"ONE MORE LAST FIST BUUUUUUUMP"

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