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  1. Its not really self entitlement to be brutally honest. Its simply just being cognisant of the fact that you are very likely to end up disappointed in a product made by Sonic Team. The last time this didn't happen was a year shy of a decade ago, and even that game; Generations, was barely an 8/10 to the wider gaming community. You are more than welcome to think what you will of pessimism and cynicism. That's your prerogative. But in the case of Sonic the Hedgehog, its not even cynicism or pessimism any more. Its just realism. I have simply lowered my expectations of what Sonic Team are actually capable of. They can say whatever the fuck they want, but words are wind. After 15 goddamn years of disappointment I want some evidence. And just as you consider cynicism pointless, I consider blind optimism and faith in a team with a suspect track record to be nothing short of naivety. And naivety is in many ways worse than cynicism. It leaves you blind to reality. More than cynicism, it is actually the vector for stagnation. I used to be the same way. I used to hear some nice words from Sonic Team. They've learned their lessons. They're taking their time with game development. And I used to hopelessly believe that it would yield in some progress. It did not. I just can't be bothered to give Sonic Team the benefit of the doubt any more. No matter what they say. As I've said. Words are wind. I want to see results now. And not just one game. String a few 8+/10 games together, and then maybe I'll be a bit more forgiving. Its not self-entitlement, cause I'm not really making any demands. The sad reality is I frankly do not care as much as I used to. I don't have the energy to get excited or optimistic about Sonic any more.
  2. I kinda get where he's coming from. The Sonic franchise is basically stagnant. It hasn't moved forward in any meaningful way since....Sonic Colours really. Everything since then has been tinged with an excess of nostalgia, and sorely lacking in any substance. The only game to not do this was Mania, but that game is still ultimately playing on Nostalgia, even though it has the technical and creative substance behind it. It at the very least attempts to take what Sonic 3 and Knuckles built and expand on it in some way. New levels, new mechanics, and a return of long lost characters with new play styles. But even with all that its cashing in on "the classics were great" mentality - perhaps reminding all those dumb bandwagony fucks that yes, Sonic was indeed good back on the Genesis/MegaDrive. The actual 3D 'main series' games have gone backwards since Generations. Lost World was a cute little attempt at trying something different, but it seemed a half-baked attempt that was criticised just enough to put the fear into SEGA to go back to Generations' playstyle - except in Forces it was worse in every meaningful capacity. If I were Iizuka I would be pretty jaded about the whole situation.
  3. I find it telling that nobody has noticed Sonic2020

    1. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      If it doesn't involve a Sonic game worth giving a damn about, then I don't really care anymore.

    2. Polkadi~☆


      It doesn't mean anything, at least not yet.

      We'll start paying attention when something happens with it.

    3. Menace2Society


      I noticed it.

      I just didn’t care.

    4. Scar


      That's the point. Things have gotten so blegh that we're not even in that overly excited delirium that follows vague teasers any more.
      That's depressing.

    5. Milo


      The lack of any interest in the new round of hints is absolutely deserved. There was absolutely zero payoff with most of the cryptic puzzles from last time and it's at a point in time where they isn't anything worth talking about in regards to Sonic. Nobody owes them any attention.

    6. JosepHenry


      ... Why be excited if there is NOTHING TO BE SHOWN YET


      like sonic game this year? Cool! Cannot wait to see it. But the logo doesnt mean a goddamn thing. Can we stop right now into crying doom and gloom over nothing yet

      It is january first. The year just started.

      Whats there to talk about? "AAAH AHHH NEW LOGO AAAH" i already did that

      What else can we do

    7. Ferno


      I've BEEN saying the cryptic hint thing was annoying af way back in 2015-2016 but everyone still ate it up anyway, along with the self aware "we know" memes and big adventure 3, etc

      jeez the 2nd half of the 2010's was just blegh for the franchise besides the brief fun ride with mania

    8. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Oh, we're noticing alright. Noticing they've appeared to have learned absolutely nothing.

    9. Strickerx5


      To echo what everyone else has said here, it's mainly about how the hints have been handled for the last half a decade. They never really lead to anything and I believe everyone here is aware of that now. Hard to put effort into something when you know it's all for not.

      It's why most of us are simply waiting for actual, tangible details. If they do happen to come from this "fire" and "gold" nonsense or whatever then hey, good on SoA for finally following through on one of these. I'll be sure to pay more attention next time. But right now, pff they haven't earned any of that.

    10. blueblur98


      it's just a logo.

      there's nothing to be excited about. it's the first day of the year.

      like, yeah, there are cryptic hints here now, but we've only just started with those.

      are you referring to the fact that it confirms new things releasing in 2020?

      just about all of us expected a new sonic project in 2020. we're not really ready to get excited about something that was pretty easy to predict.

    11. Celestia


      I don't even mind the cryptic hints but yeah there's just not much to go on. The logo with the Rings is cute.

      ...I also heard they apparently deleted the video so lol.

    12. RosaRosaRosalina


      look i dunno about you guys but i'm pretty excited for sonic's presidential run

    13. Miragnarok


      The movie overshadowed it. 

    14. Polkadi~☆



      they deleted the video so they could reupload it

      and the reason for that is, and you better believe it:

      they forgot to feature Sonic Forces

    15. Celestia



      I'm surprised they didn't just leave it like that

    16. Polkadi~☆


      it's not like the video benefitted from having Forces in it, sooo...

  4. Its actually amazing. A whole year has gone by and not even a hint on the next Sonic game. Feel like this is exactly what the franchise has needed


    1. TCB
    2. Thigolf


      Yes, because they focused on TSR.

      How is this significant/special?

    3. Diogenes


      i mean it was ages before we saw anything of forces, and we know how that turned out

    4. Strong Guy

      Strong Guy

      Isn't that what happened before forces was announced

    5. Ferno


      Same thing happened with Forces and I was really hyped as a result. Then the game was revealed. Then more details about it was shared. Then it came out. 

      I no longer feel hope simply by how long sega withholds news tbh

    6. Ryannumber1gamer


      I don't know why anyone would be surprised, we already knew the next game was gonna be the 30th anniversary title.

    7. Conando


      I’d like to think, after Forces, they wanted to give themselves some time to do it right.

    8. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      I’m not looking forward to the only new sonic games being anniversary blowouts designed to rehash things... 

    9. Ferno


      We can't even *have* another Generations anytime soon because other than Lost world we barely have anything new to cobble together into a nostalgic birthday blowout. We'd need another decade or two of nothing but all new content, so they better get started.

    10. PC the Hedgehog

      PC the Hedgehog

      It feels weird. Up until the last few years, there has ALWAYS been a new Sonic game coming down the pike for me to be excited about. But now, there's nothing. I mean, we know they're working on one, but it's not the same as actually having a tangible game with a title or teaser trailer or SOMETHING to latch onto.

  5. That's a fairly flippant, and reductive statement you've just made there. I'm not overly familiar with FE, but as far as I know, each instalment focuses on different characters. Sonic is more than just The Guy on the Box, he's the central character in the whole franchise. The titular character. Sonic is a mascot, and not just any mascot, one of the most instantly recognisable mascots in existence. You show a random person the boxart from any given FE game, and chances are, they won't know who it is. You show a random person a picture of a blue hedgehog with red shoes and chances are they'll know its Sonic. I'm not saying having an OC creator will kill the franchise, I just don't think its appropriate in a mainline game. If SEGA wanted to make a turn-based strategy game or an RPG, a character creator would be a-ok with me. But in the main series of Sonic platformers - a series which doesn't even have an identifiable gameplay style other than Gotta Go Fast, then in my opinion its just muddying the water with regards to what a Sonic game actually is.
  6. I don't really think that's a meaningful comparison.
  7. Personally think that a character creator in a game that is centred around a videogaming icon. A mascot upon which a company built its fame. That is a mistake. I'd have no problem with the character creator being put in an RPG spinoff or something, but in a main-series platformer? When you add in the fact that the Sonic franchise has lacked any real identity since 2011, and its just muddying the water. What is a Sonic game, if any random character creator can waltz in with a half-baked gameplay style and take centre stage? I ask this. Would you ever see a character creator in a mainline Super Mario platformer? Say a hypothetical Mario Galaxy 3, or Odyssey 2? They might introduce a new character or mechanic or powerup as a side function, but nah, no character creator.
  8. Y'know, its kind of amazing that we've heard nothing about a new main series Sonic game in 2 years. It feels weird, but honestly, I'm kinda glad. Franchise needs a hiatus to get itself in order.

    1. Menace2Society


      I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Remember that the gap between Lost World and Forces was 4 years, and well, we know how that went.

    2. TheOcelot


      My monies on a new 3D Sonic game for 2021 (30th anniversary) and maybe a second smaller title (like how we got Mania & Forces in the same year).

    3. Scar


      For a blissful moment, I had forgotten about Forces. 

  9. They probably realised it wasn't gonna be received like Generations. That game was basically Generations, but worse in every conceivable metric. 4 years to make a game that is visually stagnant and mechanically worse than its direct predecessor. Just terrible.
  10. 100% done with Marvel. Endgame was a great film and a great place to end my interest in anything related to Marvel.
    I hate Disney.

    1. Tails spin

      Tails spin

      Can you please explain....

      I mean I respect your decision just wanted to know your reasons for it

    2. Rusty Spy

      Rusty Spy

      No, that's perfectly reasonable. I share the exact same sentiment.

    3. mayday2592


      If anything i'm hyped. No one seriously expected the MCU to end with Endgame. Theres so much more to explore with there  a being an increased cosmic and multiversal focus.

    4. Scar


      Cause most of their films are just so cookie-cutter. They're rolled off a production line with all the passion of a Cadbury's Dairy Milk chocolate bar. Yes, they're pretty good, but not that good. Its not worth me going to pay to see each of the 2-3 formulaic derivative movies they release every year. Plus, I can't be bothered to follow a massive cast of mediocre characters - and lets be honest the best character in the franchise was Tony Stark, and CapAm had the best produced action films in the series. They're gone now. Their arcs reached their logical conclusion and I loved how they ended. There is nothing and nobody left who I can say I care about. 

    5. mayday2592


      I'd say there's loads of passion for the source material from both the Directors, Actors and Kevin Feige. do  Most  It's why such dedication was put into Endgame and Infinity War. And Mediocre characters? I cant really agree. Most of these guys are way complex and  likable compared to your usual action movie hero.

  11. I don't mind, as long as it has the minimum effort of Generations Classic Stages put into it. Those stages were absolutely popping with life and detail and it was wonderful. Personally wouldn't mind letting Taxman continue with his pseudo 32-bit 2D Sonic, but would actually really love for them to evolve it into like a hand-drawn sprite based 2D sidescroller. Something like Rayman Origins/Legends. Still broadly flat and 2D, but with beautiful high-res, handdrawn assets rather than the current 16/32-bit-style assets. Ultimately anything that isn't the pre-rendered garbage that Sonic 4 E1 was, is absolutely fine. But a 2D high-res sprite based evolution of Mania is ideal for 2D games imo.
  12. What have we seen of the next game to declare a change in Era? Nothing. Maybe Lost World might have marked that change, but Forces regressed back to a worse version of Generations/Unleashed's gameplay. So we're back to that again.
  13. TSR's soundtrack is gonna be sick.

  14. Remix is fucking sexy. Bingo Highway was an underrated track, but this adds so much more to it.
  15. Much as the whole of Sonic 4 at large was a game to forget, I find myself hoping that Jun Senoue remixes/remasters Sky Fortress Act 2 and 3 (ideally into a single track). Stood out amongst all the other tracks in the game.

  16. To be honest, I actually prefer it to the one that's used since Sonic 3 and Knuckles (not that I dislike that level complete theme, its also great). Feels like its got a "Good job, we cleared the stage, but there's still a long way to go till the end" vibe going for it. It sounds cool. However, this might just be nostalgia.
  17. I mean at this point, it wouldn't be a remaster as Crash and Spyro and Ratchet were, as opposed to a complete and total reconstruction of the game at an atomic level. There is so much wrong with SA1. It'd have to basically take the shell of it, and totally rebuild it from scratch.
  18. Not expecting Mania to be as successful as it eventually turned out to be, is not even close to being the same thing as "not believing/backing" it as a game. You're extrapolating a thought process you have literally no understanding of.
  19. Pls Jun. Bring back Fumie Kumatanie. Pls. A less scattered production team is good new though. Means everyone can much more easily communicate and stay on the same wavelength. Let's hope it means something for the quality of Sonic games coming out in the future.
  20. You hit the nail on the head here mate. I too am somewhat glad that critical reception is important to SEGA now. That's a good thing. But they seem to have no idea of what they want to do. Flip flopping between styles. Generations to Lost World to Forces. They need to find and pick a style they think will be good going forwards and then accept that it probably won't be perfect the first time around, but try and improve it. No I don't think Lost World was the style to take forward, but at the same time, that they rushed back to a watered down shittier version of Generations gameplay + some next character creator gimmick is baffling.
  21. That's a false equivalence. Sonic =/= Marvel/DC. Besides, did you forget CapAm's hilarious costume in Avengers 1? Spiderman may not wear a "purple polka-dotted lycra suit with yellow lenses", because as far as I'm aware that has never been his costume design. He's always worn a red and blue suit, and guess what, he wears a red and blue suit in literally every live-action movie he's in. Irrespective of how stupid it looks. And speaking of "market research" you are aware of the movie Space Jam right? A live-action movie with actual cartoons in it, which grossed $230 Million in 1996. Ah yes, there is also this one movie which did something similar called Who Framed Roger Rabbit which grossed $330 Million in 1988 (which is $700 Million in today's money, adjusting for inflation). You act like a cartoon in a live action simply cannot work, when it has quite literally been done before, and to massive success at that. Ah but of course, times change so maybe those films wouldn't be as popular today. I am willing to concede that, but you missed my point anyway. Why does the film need to be Sonic in the real world? Why must it be Live action? What is the need? The existence and apparent success of the Smurfs and TMNT and them being popular isn't really good enough for me, because neither of those movies were well received critically. And even though they were relatively successful; grossing around $500 Million each, neither of those movies can even begin to touch the critical reception or even commercial success of say...The Incredibles ($633 Million in 2004, inflation adj. $ 850 Million) or The Incredibles 2 ($1.241 Billion in 2018). I could list a fair few other Disney or Pixar productions in recent years that absolute shit on Live-action movie adaptations. I know you keep saying those films are for kids, like that's somehow a bad thing...even though they tell stories with emotional depth hitherto unseen by any Sonic game ever created. And I know you keep comparing this Sonic movie to the MCU, but that is frankly, delusional. This movie is better compared to the likes of TMNT, or Smurfs, cause that's how the average parent who sees posters of it, are going to view the movie. Maybe it will be a success...Maybe it'll break even at the Box office, or more. But that will never change my view that a fully animated film would probably have been better. I don't really like being talked down to in a way that suggests that my dislike of something I view to be bad, is somehow "toxic". Why should I be optimistic? Other movies that took this approach to bringing beloved franchises to big time Hollywood ended up being trash. Sonic's most recent endeavours haven't exactly been up to the mark.Do you expect me to sit down and keep quiet? This is a discussion board after all. A place where us fans can talk about things regarding a franchise we love(d). Not everyone can agree on everything, every time. I reserve the right to remain sceptical of everything I see, and I reserve the right to be critical of things I think deserve criticism. Just as you're free to like what you see, or be cautiously optimistic or whatever. You can even try to change my mind. That's the whole point of a forum.
  22. Still looks dumb man. Face is too small in that mock-up. I just don't get why a cartoon blue hedgehog being a cartoon is such a point of contention with movie studios. Why is more "realistic" so much better? Being a cartoon and exploring mature themes, or having a serious narrative aren't mutually exclusive. See: Plenty of anime, Batman TAS, Justice League Unlimited etc.
  23. Even with this new Poster leak or whatever, Sonic looks wrong. It just looks wrong. I don't get why making the movie animated/stylised automatically pigeonholes it as a film for 7-8 year olds. I mean who the fuck is going to look at that poster and thing "yes, this is perfect to take my 16 year old child to go see". This is the exact type of movie which will be watched primarily by parents and their young children, die-hard Sonic fans, or people in their mid-late 20s who are in it for a laugh. This is Smurfs, except we got Sonic now. And to make it worse, the edgier the story tries to be, the more ridiculous and meme-y the film will become. In trying to be taken seriously, this film will almost certainly be not taken seriously.
  24. This is a really egregious comment to be perfectly honest. As someone has already stated, just because they've been doing something for 20 years, doesn't mean its good. Takashi Iizuka has been working on Sonic games since the franchise's inception way back in 1991, and you can bet there are plenty of people on this very forum who question his ability to take this franchise forward in a positive direction. The design is trash. Maybe the story will be good? Who knows, but I have my doubts. But ultimately a lot hinges on the character design and it just is not a winner. It is quite literally a meme. Its fucking been 2 days and its a meme. A joke. Yes. I didn't watch much TMNT, still thought the live-action designs were absolute trash. It looks like a guy painted blue wearing a mascot head. And more to the point, if myself or anyone else didn't know what Sonic looked like in the game, this very forum (and countless others) would not exist. And neither would this movie actually, cause it wouldn't have been popular enough to receive this kind of Hollywood punishment......That might actually be preferable to the current outcome now that I think about it. This is a forum. A forum for fans to discuss things. I know people who work in VFX. Most of the time, they just do what they're told. The reality is, the film producers will send out a bunch of VFX work to a bunch of small studios to do. That could be character/creature work, foliage, structural or vehicular designs. The VFX artists come up with concepts and models and present to the client for feedback. Sometimes they have to start over cause some idiot fuck executive changed their minds late in production. Those guys, I sympathise with. But similarly I don't blame any of them. They're just doing what the client wants, whether or not they personally approve of the design they're bringing to life. The people I blame for this monstrosity, are the higher-ups in production who specified and okayed this horrific design. They're to blame for this, and I reserve my rights to criticise the fuck out of them for it. Then why did they allow it to be made? What kind of fucking moron signs away the rights to interfere and/or shape the direction of the first major Hollywood production of their marquee franchise. The franchise that is inexorably linked to their goddamn identity. Who allows this to happen? SEGA are straight up said to have not liked the design at all, but the production team was like "Well, we think this is the best approach so deal with it". They allowed themselves to be put in a position where they can only watch on in horror as this film is produced. They have nobody but themselves to blame for it. Frankly, I think a movie wasn't even needed. But if it was, they should have been overseeing it every step of the way. If they lack the resources or even the fucking commitment to oversee it, it shouldn't have been made. What we're seeing here could ONLY have happened under these exact circumstances where Hollywood are allowed to get away with focus testing an iconic design into oblivion.
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