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    Scar reacted to Tracker_TD in What is it about Sonic that makes so many wish to disconnect him from non-Eggman humans?   
    ...and making them animals would help somehow? That's more down to how they're written than anything. It's not like making them anthros in Forces did much - they were arguably even more generic there. At least Unleashed's humans had character.
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    Scar got a reaction from Milo in Think we'll get two Sonic games in 2019?   
    Personally think that a character creator in a game that is centred around a videogaming icon. A mascot upon which a company built its fame. That is a mistake. I'd have no problem with the character creator being put in an RPG spinoff or something, but in a main-series platformer? When you add in the fact that the Sonic franchise has lacked any real identity since 2011, and its just muddying the water. What is a Sonic game, if any random character creator can waltz in with a half-baked gameplay style and take centre stage?
    I ask this. Would you ever see a character creator in a mainline Super Mario platformer? Say a hypothetical Mario Galaxy 3, or Odyssey 2? They might introduce a new character or mechanic or powerup as a side function, but nah, no character creator.
     
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    Scar got a reaction from Miragnarok in Even Yuji Naka didnt want a cutesy funny Sonic   
    I don't recall any recent Sonic games trying to make Sonic cutesy? So I don't really understand where this is even coming from. Yeah they've been taking the angle of more self-aware and cartoonish approach, but that isn't really the same as being cutesy.
    YMMV if you don't like Sonic being a somewhat unfunny Ryan Reynolds wannabe. But its not like any of the other interpretations of Sonic have had stunning characterisation. SA1 Sonic was basic as fuck and had honestly laughable dialogue. SA2 is better, but that isn't really saying much. Heroes through to 06 is such utter garbage that its not even worth thinking about to be brutally honest. Unleashed and SatBK are probably the best iteration of the semi-serious Sonic, but still brought a lot more self-awareness and levity to the party than the ridiculously edgy nonsense that came immediately before it. 
    What ultimately matters is the quality though. If a genuinely talented writer came in and produced a Pixar quality story where Sonic and co were cutesy, it would still be better than literally every other Sonic story that has ever existed.
    I personally don't care which direction they take, though I certainly have preferences. All I want is genuine effort and passion put into producing something of quality, instead of half-assedly attempting to target some niche segment of the massively fractured fanbase. If its just really fucking good, it has a better chance of satisfying not just existing fans, but attracting more people to the games as well.
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    Scar reacted to Diogenes in Even Yuji Naka didnt want a cutesy funny Sonic   
    Or, guilty because you realize there are significant problems with the game but the parts you like are enough for you to overlook them.
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    Scar got a reaction from SaturnWolf in Think we'll get two Sonic games in 2019?   
    They probably realised it wasn't gonna be received like Generations.
    That game was basically Generations, but worse in every conceivable metric. 4 years to make a game that is visually stagnant and mechanically worse than its direct predecessor. Just terrible.
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    Scar got a reaction from McGroose in Think we'll get two Sonic games in 2019?   
    They probably realised it wasn't gonna be received like Generations.
    That game was basically Generations, but worse in every conceivable metric. 4 years to make a game that is visually stagnant and mechanically worse than its direct predecessor. Just terrible.
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    Scar got a reaction from Milo in Think we'll get two Sonic games in 2019?   
    They probably realised it wasn't gonna be received like Generations.
    That game was basically Generations, but worse in every conceivable metric. 4 years to make a game that is visually stagnant and mechanically worse than its direct predecessor. Just terrible.
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    Scar got a reaction from lbyrd2 in Think we'll get two Sonic games in 2019?   
    They probably realised it wasn't gonna be received like Generations.
    That game was basically Generations, but worse in every conceivable metric. 4 years to make a game that is visually stagnant and mechanically worse than its direct predecessor. Just terrible.
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    Scar got a reaction from sonic 1-derful in Why does the Sonic 1 & 2 victory theme sound so depressing   
    To be honest, I actually prefer it to the one that's used since Sonic 3 and Knuckles (not that I dislike that level complete theme, its also great). Feels like its got a "Good job, we cleared the stage, but there's still a long way to go till the end" vibe going for it. 
    It sounds cool. However, this might just be nostalgia.
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    Scar got a reaction from Milo in A 2.5D Only Sonic Game: Would You Buy It?   
    I don't mind, as long as it has the minimum effort of Generations Classic Stages put into it. Those stages were absolutely popping with life and detail and it was wonderful.
    Personally wouldn't mind letting Taxman continue with his pseudo 32-bit 2D Sonic, but would actually really love for them to evolve it into like a hand-drawn sprite based 2D sidescroller. Something like Rayman Origins/Legends. Still broadly flat and 2D, but with beautiful high-res, handdrawn assets rather than the current 16/32-bit-style assets.
    Ultimately anything that isn't the pre-rendered garbage that Sonic 4 E1 was, is absolutely fine. But a 2D high-res sprite based evolution of Mania is ideal for 2D games imo.
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    Scar reacted to SSF1991 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    You know the standards people have for this movie are low when we're complimenting the appearance of socks.
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    Scar reacted to Diogenes in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    He's so gross.
    I don't even understand how they managed to make him look so gross. Like, he's legitimately visually repulsive. I thought I had actually started to get used to the design but no, seeing it in motion is so much worse.
    Carrey's not quite nailing Eggman but he's at least bringing the level of energy and eccentricity I'd expect. He'll probably be the best part of the movie considering Sonic is an abomination and nobody else leaves any kind of impression so far. Still don't know why he looks like that for most of the movie when they actually came up with a pretty decent look for him in the last shot though.
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    Scar reacted to Tracker_TD in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Sweet Jesus. 
    The only nice thing I can really outright say is the final scene with Eggman is perfect - but also that’s apparently just right at the end of the film, so we can’t even have that.

    ...and people thought Sonic’s lips on the Modern renders were bad. 
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    Scar reacted to TheOcelot in A Teacher Just Showed Off Some Unknown Sonic 2 Music   
    Pretty cool of this guy to share this brief clip of unused music. Wish the clip was longer.
    I agree that it doesn't seem to fit with Sonic 2's soundtrack. Although...maybe it could have been intended for Casino Night zone? Kinda feels like a fitting piece of music for a Casino or Carnival themed stage, maybe.
    *inb4* the teacher joins twitter and is ambushed by the Sonic community XP
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    Scar reacted to Sean in Does Sonic really work as a game?   
    I'm sorry I'm trying to be nice but reading this sentence is making me lose my fucking mind
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    Scar reacted to Diogenes in Has "Solo Sonic" been detrimental to the series?   
    If your stories and gameplay aren't fun with your main characters you've got some real deep problems in need of solving, and throwing more characters at it isn't the answer.
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    Scar got a reaction from Foxthefox1000 in Has "Solo Sonic" been detrimental to the series?   
    In a word. No.
    The games are bad, because they're poorly conceived and poorly designed. There is no creativity. The maintain a baseline level of technical competence, and that's it.
    Mario games haven't ever been bad, despite being almost exclusively "Solo Mario". 
    In fact, its equally bullshit to suggest that the mere existence of Sonic''s shitty friends is what led to the decline (aside from Shadow's game). Solo Sonic isn't to be blamed, and neither are his friends.
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    Scar got a reaction from PublicEnemy1 in What are you willing to sacrifice to make Sonic popular again?   
    That's a pretty bold assumption to make, considering I directly addressed my policy regarding characters later in my post. I want characters that regularly feature in the game, to bring interesting gameplay to the table. Theoretically, you could manufacture a "unique" gameplay for every single existing character. Ideally though you'd want it to mesh with an underlying gameplay philosophy that is central to the franchise, with alternate play styles supplementing (or contrasting if its well designed) that central design philosophy.
    I'm not opposed to other characters existing. They need to add something though. Are they interesting characters? Can they be interesting characters? How many characters do you need for a single story? How many characters are too many characters?
    If they can be done well, fine.
    Main point though, is gameplay.
    I don't know. If you can't come up with anything interesting to do with them in the first place, do they really need to exist? Aside from appealing to a certain subsection of fans?
    The more characters you shunt into a game in a meaningless bid to appeal to their particular fans and to keep them relevant, the more bloated the story gets. If you try to focus on just a few characters in the interest of keeping a tightly focused narrative, then the sidelined characters are just window dressing. They add nothing to the story and may as well not be there. Then there is the issue of fans of those sidelined characters being upset that they were present, but not involved. What then? 
    If keeping these characters is essential then make tiers. Core cast, primary supporting cast, secondary supporting cast, fringe characters, or something. But they don't all need to be involved in every game, or indeed in any game at all. Let them stay in comic books or as merch. 
    More to the point though, the fanbase of this franchise is so goddamn divided that no matter what Sonic Team,SEGA or whoever does, some subsection of fans will be displeased with the direction they choose to go, because it happens at the expense of what they like.
    Adventure fans have been crying for literally years about how classic fans got Sonic 4 and Mania and blah blah blah, and how Boost fans got Generations and Forces and blah blah blah. Before them, it was the classic fans who had seen their once beloved franchise fall down the shitter in the interests of an edgy black hedgehog with fucking guns. And they complained on the internet about how classic design philosophies had been abandoned. I'm fucking certain that if Sonic Team moves away from the boost, some boost fans will come out of the woodwork and start complaining about how they are disappointed they aren't getting another one of those games. Where does it stop?
    If anything is to be sacrificed at this point, its the interests of some subsections of fans. 
    The question of this thread was "What are you willing to sacrifice to make Sonic popular again?"
    So. If it were up to me, I'd go for a clean slate. Culling the cast is just one aspect of this. An initial small group of characters say, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy and Eggman are much easier to develop and characterise properly, than a sprawling mess of 30 characters who have 30 fucking years of baggage associated with them. Fuck, even this "core cast" needs to probably be sat down and rewritten so they're not as shallow as they currently are. Sonic shouldn't just be the cocky, impatient asshole. Tails shouldn't just be the boy genius. Knuckles shouldn't just be a strong dumb fuck. Amy shouldn't just be the obligatory love interest/female character. Boom, for all the shit it gets, at least tried to do something interesting with them, even if I don't like the trend of Knuckles continually being a simpleton. They can also bring with them some unique gameplay that is both in keeping with a design philosophy, and yet sufficiently diversified to add some nice variety.
    If this is starting to get a little thin, then you can reintroduce old favourites, but with similarly retooled characters (and backstories if need be), and maybe introduce a few new characters that have been given proper consideration. I don't want more Silver' or Infinites. I know Shadow is basically far too popular to ever be retired as a character and admittedly, I even have a soft spot for him. To "reintroduce" him, I wouldn't even mind a complete and total atomic reconstruction of SA2 (but better in every way) to preserve, or improve his backstory. But this should all take time. Sonic games should be once every 4-5 years. The big budget 3D ones at least.
    If Whitehead wants to collab and make Mania-type games on the side for $15 a piece in between major releases, sure. If there are karting games, sports games or other spinoffs in between, fine. In fact, I'd be more than happy to relegate most of the side cast to appear in these all-stars type games.
    I've already talked at length in many other threads, about how I'd like Sonic Team to go away and approach the gameplay. In a nutshell - go look at the classics, what made them great, what was the essence of that design philosophy. Go look at Adventures, what was good, what was bad. Go look at boost, what was good, what was bad. Take all that in and try coming up with a brand new 3D gameplay paradigm that brings all that knowledge together. Take as much time as is needed.
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    Scar reacted to Diogenes in So.... Is Tails Suffering From Depression In Sonic Forces?   
    Man this game about a war is...about war? Man who woulda thunk it. I mean not to be too snarky but I feel like the first third or so of the video was just trying to hammer in points that I thought were pretty obvious. The game's not really that subtle about its war themes, it's just that none of it lands due to poor writing and being played out by silly cartoon forest creatures.
    Also I don't think Tails was ever actually meant to be on par with Sonic in the classic games. Tails alone playthroughs aren't canon. I'd say what Tails is supposed to be in those games is closer to what you see from him in a Sonic & Tails playthrough (though probably not quite as incompetent as the simplistic AI); he follows behind Sonic, he sometimes bumbles into traps and enemies, he can help out occasionally, but ultimately it's Sonic doing the real work. I do agree that the games from SA on focusing on his unique strengths rather than him being another Sonic is the right move though.
    As for the actual subject of the thread, I'm not sure if I'd call it capital-D Depression, I'm neither a doctor nor do I have depression myself so I'm not sure I'm comfortable reaching for specifics like that, but they were definitely starting to do a thing where Tails was seriously affected by all the shit that had gone down. It doesn't ultimately work because, as you said, they immediately drop it, but Tails cowering at Chaos is clearly not meant to be Sonic Team or Pontac and Graff or whoever declaring that Tails sucks now and is a dumb cowardly baby because they hate him. The kid watched his best friend get the shit kicked out of him to the point that he's presumed dead, and he's gone through six months of watching their worst enemy take over nearly the entire planet; it's only reasonable that that'd leave some marks. As much as there is to criticize about all this it's frustrating to see it get written off as just bad writing or some kind of anti-Tails bias, especially when so many people are also hoping for the series to take itself more seriously. Like, more than Infinite the edgelord, more than Sonic being serious and not telling jokes, this is the series trying to do something meaningful and significant with one of its characters, and yes, it failed, hard, we all agree on that point, but I still think it's worth recognizing what it's trying to do.
    I mean if people are willing to give Infinite another chance for his supposed potential shouldn't this at least be acknowledged?
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    Scar got a reaction from JingleBoy in Sonic Under New Management Part 2: Hedgehog Boogaloo? (Reports of Sega of Japan studio restructure/new IP development)   
    Pls Jun. Bring back Fumie Kumatanie. Pls.

    A less scattered production team is good new though. Means everyone can much more easily communicate and stay on the same wavelength. Let's hope it means something for the quality of Sonic games coming out in the future.
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    Scar got a reaction from lbyrd2 in The Making of: Sonic Adventure (New Iizuka Interview)   
    I mean at this point, it wouldn't be a remaster as Crash and Spyro and Ratchet were, as opposed to a complete and total reconstruction of the game at an atomic level. There is so much wrong with SA1. It'd have to basically take the shell of it, and totally rebuild it from scratch.
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    Scar got a reaction from UpCDownCLeftCRightC in The Making of: Sonic Adventure (New Iizuka Interview)   
    I mean at this point, it wouldn't be a remaster as Crash and Spyro and Ratchet were, as opposed to a complete and total reconstruction of the game at an atomic level. There is so much wrong with SA1. It'd have to basically take the shell of it, and totally rebuild it from scratch.
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    Scar reacted to Diogenes in How much damage did Forces do?   
    The thing about Forces is that there wasn't a whole lot more damage to do. Sonic's already a joke because of games like ShtH, '06, and RoL, and what success the boost games and Mania had weren't enough to reverse that. Forces is awful, but it's not a devastatingly new level of awful, so it's probably mostly just seen as Sonic slipping back to what it's been for over a decade now.
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    Scar got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Sonic Live Action Movie Thread (Read OP for topic rules) "Trailer 2 on Page 482)   
    Still looks dumb man. Face is too small in that mock-up.
    I just don't get why a cartoon blue hedgehog being a cartoon is such a point of contention with movie studios. Why is more "realistic" so much better? Being a cartoon and exploring mature themes, or having a serious narrative aren't mutually exclusive. See: Plenty of anime, Batman TAS, Justice League Unlimited etc.
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    Scar reacted to Blue Blood in You know who would have been a great voice for *SONIC CHARACTER*   
    Can I just request that people pleeeeeeease post examples of the voices that they're talking about? 
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