Strickerx5

I mean they brought back Streets of Rage, Panzer Dragoon and Sakura Wars. I don't see what's stopping them from bringing back their older stuff that were found of. 

Agree!

(this is assuming the movie even has any actual lines in it which, knowing this series, isn't a given but humor me here)

Even if Martinet isn't chosen, I only hope that the celeb actor atleast imitates Martinet's voice, which tbh is sorta Mickey Mouse esque in terms of how easy it is for many people to emulate, even if not 100% like Martinet does. 

What I DON'T want is for Mario to just sound like a regular guy or whatever. I mean, MAYBE a regular Italian accented voice could work. But yeah. 

On the other hand, playing devil's advocate here, I don't want a whole movie where Mario sounds like he did in the 3DS explanation video either. Martinet's Mario voice has always been great in small doses, but sorta off-sounding when speaking full sentences..

Good point, though idk. I guess I'd just rather see the original VA get the recognition a movie like this brings if that makes sense.

Though I guess a lot of my uncertainty here is that Mario ever really gets to speak like that. It could be jarring for a feature length piece or he could form up for it. Again, I'm not to sure on my end here lol.

Mario sounds fine in the 3DS explanation video...though as a recent example, he's often scratchy whenever saying sentences higher pitched.

Aging signs.

He doesn't need to talk too much.

Mario speaks fully here for longer than the 3DS video: https://youtu.be/G8sYvNtjXRI

I'm not watching a Mario movie without Martinet

Much as Martinet does a brilliant voice for Mario, it's absolutely awful listening to him do full lines of dialogue. That Mario Sports Mix interview is painful. Could he do better in an actual movie? Dunno. Maybe.

I'm not at all sure what I want to even evict from the Mario movie tbh. It's so hard to conceptualise that I've just not bothered to think about it.

Hmm, so the people using that image don't understand that logic doesn't apply to games that aren't actually out yet?

The reductive arguments I've seen toward fans of the old games is tiring. Especially for someone like me who really wanted to like the new games for what they were, but I ended up hating them so much that it wouldn't have mattered if the old games existed or not. They're bad in a vacuum, and there is a lot to criticize them for in a setting completely divorced from PM64 or TTYD. But nah if you don't like them you're just a nostalgiawhore old man yelling at clouds

I've seen the line misused so often that I actively dislike it now

Satire like that shouldn't even be in a Mario game honestly. Yeah, we got satire of the series itself with Wario and the Rabbids game, but it's mostly not in Mario's timeless playful nature to poke fun at people and stuff.

They did the same shit when Nintendo was treating Metroid like the redheaded step child. Just ignore them.

Even Nintendo's markerting doesn't give a shit about Paper Mario and knows nobody else will anymore.

There are very few games that benefit from the insanely long "hype" cycles a lot of games are getting. I vastly prefer the "SURPRISE, it's almost out!" approach. 

They've done this before 

-Pokemon Mystery Dungeon DX was announced 2 months before it's release 

-Samus Returns was announced 2 months before it's release 

-Mario + Rabbids was 2 months before it's release 

@Dejimon11

Rabbids was leaked much earlier, and Samus Returns could've really benefited from being announced sooner so there would've been less nagging from Met fans and they could've outright told them they were already making a Metroid 2 remake.

Yeah the game was leaked but according to the leaks it was meant to be revealed at E3 and be heavily promoted in July. 

This is going to be a bit controversial but I don’t really consider two of those to be as, idk, noteworthy. SR was a remake on an already outdated handheld and MD was simply another Pokemon spin-off that was also a remake to boot. M+R though, even with it not really being Nintendo specifically, yeah.

I guess I’m coming from this with the idea that Paper Mario was, at one point, a big thing. Something that you’d never really think of as a “here’s a trailer and it’s almost out” sort of thing. Hell, I don’t really consider that for any rpg series. Honestly, I’d expect that from a Mario sports or even Mario Party title before it.

Though with all that said, this by no means is a bad thing. Really, I hope this isn’t the only title we see over the next bit here that does this. It’s just a bit odd imo.

Idk, was sticker stars plot as unsettling and dark looking?

Not really, but Color Splash did have elements of this turn already with the blood/color sucking thing. Can't imagine this going much further than that so this is all just seems to be going down the same path to me.

it came out after the game was released and coincidentally highlighed fan talking points so i doubted it.

it was leaked a long time ago

Huh, guess this one flew completely under my radar. Reading over both this thread and the one on Retro, I'm led to assume that the general consensus was that the Aaron comments were indeed legit. Gonna do a bit more reading though.

I still find it to be BS 

I have the original excel document. It still has the worker's details attached to it. It's real

This whole thing is a mix of interesting yet kind of sad. Like, if we're truly at the point of people within Sega trying to tell ST to change shit and them not listening... eh.

ST getting feedback and ignoring it is so peak ST that I can totally belive this being a thing

If it's fake, it's hella convincing.

It's also fun and sad to see how some of these lines came to be. The "that's why it's called war" line was extremely close to being cut, yet somehow remained.

Interesting read lol.

...............Why???????????

Hammer is fucking amazing and totally underappreciated

Dude saved Iron Man 2 somewhat

One of the best MCU villains, don't @ me.

Finally, someone gets it. 

I don't care what anyone says, Justin Hammer was comedic fucking gold and in a better movie where Venko was shown as intended, they would've made brilliant sense.

Both of them are supposed to be darkened reflections of Tony Stark. Venko is a Tony who lost everything and became engulfed in finding revenge for his father's actions, while Justin is Tony if he never underwent development as a character - a snide, egotistical prick. The only difference is that Tony has genius to back it up.

Too bad no one saved Iron Man 3.....

Those shorts are probably the best thing to come out of this generation so far tbh

I honestly might prefer it to getting a full adaptation. It might be shorter but the quality is worth it and fleshes out the characters more than if they had to follow an adventure plot like the main series.

I'd still say Forces is a worse game. 

I can't, but both games are so trash to me that me trying to defend one over the other nowadays is just tiring. And Forces is very much shit so hey.

I used to really defend it hard but time has lessened my opinion and though I don't really hate it...or have any strong feelings about it in general, it's just this weird mediocre game that had so many ideas but couldn't properly flesh out any of them, and I'd like to see some of them get a second shot in the future if Sonic Team ever get their heads out their assets. That being said I still prefer it over Forces despite that game being  more focused.

Would Jump Festa also count, or has that also been cucked without me knowing?

Depends on how Japan will handle this during their state of emergency... 

There was a time where you didn't praise PC to the high Kid Icarus Uprising heavens.

Strickerx5 generations.

There was a time when I thought Nintendo was the end-all-be-all and every other console just had, and I'm quoting myself from memory here, "bland, gray and brown games that only care about graphixs" (took HD Unleashed to snap me out of that stupidity)

we always have room to grow

I straight up didn't care about Galaxy until the month it came out. With Shovel Knight I was following but I really wasn't in a rush to play it. Mega Man X1 I only got on a whim and I wanted to play a Mega Man game, I liked the demo for Bayonetta 2 but didn't buy it a year later. 

Didn't know nor care about Portal 2. A friend came over and asked me if I had the game, I said no, they said I should get it.

So I got it, and was blown away. Goodness, it's still one of my favourites.

After what happened with Rare? Really????

A big reason I’m doubtful of this happening, is because Atlus recently said they were going to continue strongly working with PlayStation when it comes to Persona. I can’t see it out of nowhere suddenly becoming a Xbox exclusive series. Atlus is a Japanese  focused company that makes a large amount of its sales from the, surprise, japanese market, which mostly play on PlayStations and switches. Xbox is not that popular in Japan, so that’s a big drop in money for them.

We all know it's fake but hypothetically speaking what the hell would Microsoft gain with buying SEGA? Anybody who buys Xbox products don't really buy Japanese games like hell I don't see anybody talking about the Kingdom Hearts collection and Yakuza games that dropped there.  Sony on the other hand would be the best one

Well tbf the Kingdom Hearts Collections were sold for full price while they were hella cheap for PlayStation users. Nobody was getting scammed out of all that cash 

Then again, Sega did do that timed exclusive thing for Phantasy Star Online 2 with Xbox...that could have been a testing ground thing

I'd be against the buyout. There isn't much benefit for Sega here, when looking at their divisions.

I would honestly hate it if SEGA became a MS exclusive company.

I feel as though I should stress that I'd 100% rather Sega stay independent.

Though, if there absolutely had to be one, I'd opt for Microsoft in a heartbeat. 3rd party exclusives are a fucking joke that Microsoft is the closes to bucking. Sonic flat out needs to be on every piece of hardware that can run the titles and Microsoft is much more likely to make that happen versus the other two.

the xbox brand as a whole has been a massive faliure in japan. microsoft buying out SEGA, a japanese company, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

@Strickerx5 none of that addresses that Microsoft financially bombs with it’s versions of Japanese franchise on its system. It’d be a idiotic financial decision for Sega to make with many of its franchises cutting off their main markets.  
 

outside personal biases, there’s no real reason it’s be good to go exclusively on Microsoft’s platform if you had to pick 

@KHCastThere's no real good financial bases for all three of them. Nintendo supposedly has the largest install base of Sonic fans yet the last ring of games on that front did worst than ever, the slew of technical issues aside. Sony has the biggest install base period yet we've seen time and time again how that never specifically works out in this series favor.

At the end it really comes down to how much money one of them throws Sega's way.

Even then, Microsoft putting out the software on other platforms does indeed help address that. Though, now that I think about it, a lot of Sega's IPs don't even do well in Japan so that's barely even a factor here.

EDIT: Though truth be told I'm only really looking at this from a Sonic perspective. Though yeah bias be damned, I'm still team x

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 There's no real good financial bases for all three of them

Both Yakuza and Persona’s main financial base is with PlayStation. Microsoft historically hate Sony and do not want to do business with them, as they’re literally their competition. There’s a slim chance they’d opt to allow PlayStation to keep having Persona games show up on their platform, especially considering that would be the main version bought.

Persona also makes a killing in Japan. So that alone would likely be enough to have Sega not wanting to go all Xbox, even if the other Sega franchises don’t do as well in Japan

Plus, wouldn’t this just further complicate Bayonetta’s situation?

At least MS means that PC releases will continue. I get what Stricker's saying

Translation: I just want a sonic game to look as beautiful as sonic unleashed that runs at 60FPS also PC gaming. 

@SeanWouldn’t it be through Windows only though? And aren’t they not as flexible regarding things like Mod support and player patches? I’m not a PC player so am not familiar on that 

@KHCastBayonetta as a series is already fucked as far as I'm concerned.

Though, one could really look at this as Microsoft's way of slamming their foot in the door as far as the Japan is concerned. This stupid exclusive mess has sort of left this as one of their only real remaining options. What better way to say "buy a fucking xbox" than to announce both a new Yakuza and Persona as a console exclusive on Xbox? It'd piss everyone off, but hey, every console exclusive does that to one group or more so why the hell not.

And even then, Japan's PC gaming market isn't anything to slouch at. With Microsoft bring most of their games to that platform day and date with Xbox, a large sum of people there might not even be effected by this.

Also no, Microsoft has been putting their titles on Steam for over a year now.

@Dejimon11damn straight, fuck this 30fps console bs

If MS continues to sell games on Steam then you can use Proton to play them on Linux. Dunno about Mac

Every Sonic game more or less already comes out on PC around the same time as console anyways, graphic settings and high FPS in-tact. MS taking over the company wouldn't suddenly mean Unleashed or anything past Gens would get a port to PC.

So the only difference it would make is Sony and Nintendo players getting dicked over if they want to play the series.

I think an exclusivity buyout would hurt Sega more than Microsoft. Considering how MS has been operating the last few years I can easily envision a scenario where they allow them to continue publishing games on other platforms. I can't see that happening with Sony or Nintendo

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 What better way to say "buy a fucking xbox" than to announce both a new Yakuza and Persona as a console exclusive on Xbox?

A better way would probably be to make appealing games of your own that people want to buy, instead of just buying and excluding players from a franchise that was available to them unless they stipe up an extra 500 bucks. Relying on buying exclusives is cynical, shitty, and doesn’t push the market to  healthy forms of competition.

Microsoft needs good first party exclusives. If they rely on other companies and buying their products to fill their library, that says more about them more then anything 

@Ryannumber1gamerIf we're going by that logic alone then Sony getting the series would dick over Microsoft, Nintendo, and PC players. Nintendo getting the series would dick over Microsoft, Sony, and PC players.

Though even then, Microsoft and Nintendo are so buddy buddy nowadays that the Switch would probably get a port very soon after anyways, if not on the same day.

@KHCastNo arguments here lol. Simply apply that logic to Square, Activision, and the others and we'd be golden.

Oh man, is this gonna be like when Sega and Nintendo struck that  deal and everything went to shit...

SEGA Sammy is too big to be bought out so this discussion is moot. The most I could see is an exclusive partnership but it's not like it would last forever. 

Sony has opened up to releasing their games on PC so you would get that no matter who got SEGA.

@Strickerx5

I fully acknowledge that Sony/Nintendo getting it as an exclusive would do the exact same thing. I'm specifically talking about MS because of the fact that it's the basis of the false rumour, which is why I'm pointing out that PC ports mean little to nothing because we already get that as is. 

No company should just buy exclusive rights to SEGA. 

Only times I can understand buyouts like this is when the company is hemorrhaging and living on a thread. If, say when Capcom was in their financial hole, any of these companies offered to buy them to allow them to continue, (basically what happened with SFV on a grander scale), I could understand that. Outside of that, it’s hard to justify. Even with that konami rumor about PlayStation potentially buying Silent Hill, Castlevania and Metal Gear, even though personally I’d be happy with the games getting a chance at finally getting some good games again, I’d rather we get that situation while still allowing everyone to enjoy them because you’re always dicking over a group when you do these things.

Oh god, please don't let Sony buy those.

It's gonna be on Disney+ in tandem with the revival announcement for a season 3!

Ha...

haha...

*cries*

At least we got I'm The Bad Guy out of it.

I'M NOT THE DAMSEL IN DISTRESS

ngl before I opened this I expected it to be about Kid Icarus Uprising or Unleashed on PC

oh Zay, I never hold those feelings in lol

On the bright side, at least it didn't get the chance to go down in a trainwreck of relationship drama and angst, heavy-handed social commentary, chucking out entire supporting casts, characters acting like idiots for no real reason, and our so-called heroes possibly committing genocide and dooming two whole worlds to an apocalyptic hellish future.

BTW, can we friggin' stop with all these buzz words for Super Moons, like where are they coming from??? Pink moon, Worm moon, Sturgon moon, do we really need a Full/Super Moon name for each month of the year???

Might as well make one call the Mooning Moon, why don'tya???

Ah dang I missed that

It's always fascinating seeing how well a game is from it's first trailer to the finished product. See KH3

Wow, the appearance of the boost was completely different.

And the lighting seemed a bit borked here, especially in Windmill Isle... which looked incredibly unfinished at that time.

Ya'll never heard of "bullshots"?

I dunno, does this trailer even have any "bullshots"? It's clearly just all early WIP content. The level designs changed a lot, and the amount of pop-in the Windmill Isle portion of the trailer would make '06 blush. 

Like yeah, bullshots exist and are a standard, shitty practice in the industry (Watch Dogs or literally anything else from Ubisoft, No Man's Sky, Alien Colonial Marines, countless others...) but this trailer doesn't have any. Unless you weren't meaning to imply that this trailer is full of bullshots. Either way, there's a difference between WIP and bullshots.

Is the official term bullshots or vertical slice?

A vertical slice is supposed to show of as much as possible in a single screenshot. Everything shown may not be possible in one go or not truly representative or any actual part of the game, but every individual aspect of it is real.

A bullshot is just a fake screenshot, crafted to make the game look better than it ever possibly could.

Though maybe one could see this as a "bullshot" since they're only showing off daytime content and not the werehog

Eh, not really. It's not a bullshot cause it wasn't making shit up. Unleashed introduced two big new gameplay styles, and this trailer only shows one of them so as not to blow its load all in one go. Like yeah, someone at SEGA with a brain was probably thinking "jesus christ why is the werehog in this game people are going to go mad when they see that gameplay", but you expect them not to show off everything at once. It's like the first trailer for Mario Odyssey didn't show off the capturing feature at all, despite being a huge part of the game's overall identity. They wanted the audience to process the rest of the gameplay first. 

Ah the good old days...when you only saw unfinished stuff in trailers and articles...whereas now that's what you actually get to play as a "finished product".

Either way, it's definitely a sign that Naughty Dog need to clean up their acts if an employee felt THAT disgruntled.

That said, in regards to the employee her/him-self. I get where they're coming from, but it isn't right to ruin it for people supporting the game, dragging them into the fray.

Not to mention said employee could get themselves in huge trouble by doing this.

All in all, both parties in this problem, Naughty Dog and the disgruntled employee are highly to blame.

That sucks. I don't want the game spoiled.

I really enjoyed it. Thinking of checking out the manga because I want to see what happens next.

Though now that I think about it, Infinite doesn't get a much better end scene either... damn, these last few years man

It really is bad lol

Which means Infinite is alive?

endings are cringe

Funny video game, no context needed. Wheeee

I still doubt Infinite is gone, he's off limits in IDW. Okay, so is Classic Sonic. But I'd rather focus on improving the D6, that'd be more of a challenge.

Even Eggman him fucking self dissappears after Force's final boss without a trace

The Eggman, Zazz and Zavok that show up afterwards are all only figments of the Phantom Ruby; the real ones have been long dead now.

In fact, this entire modern timeline is just a Ruby illusion. Any objections?

*Big great build up to the game's new villain*

*Big epic FINAL BATTLE*

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Remember in Colors when Wisp energy hit the moon and it seemed like it was the lead up to generations and the creation of the time eater? 

That was fanwank, moon didn't mean shit 

considering how many times the moon got screwed with in sonic games, i'm surprised the moon has never become a villain or a major plot point

*Stares at Sonic*

*glares at Sonic*

let him rest pls

@Zaysho

this blue arse hat can rest when i get that unleashed pc port

Its gonna suck dude

Guys stop I thi