Blue Wisp

Willingham left before TSR came out and was replaced.

Wait he's gone?

Damn I loved his Knuckles. Haven't played TSR so didn't have a clue.

Well guess the voice actors for the main cast are all gone. Again.

The new guy in TSR is... some of his lines are fine, and other times they are actually legit awful. Skip to 15:34 here:

In that little scene, Knuckle's VA sounds like he's trying way too hard with the whole tough-guy act. And Rouge's VA sounded just fine in both Generations and Forces, but her TSR performance is ghastly. At least Omochao is alright in that scene? lol

A lot of the cast largely sound off in TSR. You can tell that their lines were given to them in the same disjointed way that we seem them presented in the cutscenes. The production values for the story are so low that I have to wonder why they even bother. 

@Blue Blood from what I had listened to I got the impression he was more directed to imitate Travis who was already being directed to imitate Dan Green so it just sounds really weird. It sticks out more when Papenbrook and Lindbeck got to interpret Silver and Blaze differently and they sounded better for it.

I know Silver was pretty different, but Blaze? All three of her VA's has been incredibly similar.

Even the guy who replaced Travis could be gone, too. This would leave TSR as his only performance.

Eugh that voice acting. Team Sonic Racing always felt off to me but I never saw the """"""cutscenes""""" until now.

Feels extremely cheap. 

The "cutscenes" in TSR are so inconsequential, so removed from the gameplay and so low quality they the game would have probably benefitted from not having them at all. The least that they could have done to improve these scenes would have been to not include a stupid whoosh sound effect each time the character portrait changes. In one of the first scenes they talk about taking a rocket to Planet Wisp so that they can enter the first race, but they're soon dotting around all seven zones from the game like it's nothing. Why add a story if it's meaningless?

The default/normal way to start a race in story mode skips the story anyway, which is really bizarre. Like, pressing A will go straight to the race and pressing X will take you to the cutscene and then the race (Switch version). It's unusual, and suggests that the development team thought little of the story scenes.

Some of the dialogue alone is pretty nice. I enjoy watching Sonic try to trash talk Silver only for it to go way over Silver's head and annoy Sonic in the process, or Big being the only one who isn't super racist against tanukis and the fact that he calls everyone out on their shit simply by being a nice guy. But yeah... Super cheap. Free Riders' cutscenes don't even feel as cheap as TSR's.

Even Free Riders's cutscenes had more love put to them. That game would've worked wonderfully with standard controls as an alternative without the obligatory motion controls imo. 

What is it with Sonic and static .jpg VisualNovel-like cutscenes like come on SEGA. Sonic Rush (Understandable due to being a DS/3DS handheld series but even they had some cutscenes using the ingame models), Sonic Rivals, Sonic Free Riders, Team Sonic Racing.

I'll give Rivals a free pass because it was also a side, handheld game. Rivals 2 had full voice acting for it's static portrait cutscenes too. But there's no excusing Free Riders and TSR, even if the they budget side productions. They weren't handheld games. Even Boom F&I had proper cutscenes (but not Shattered Crystal):

Although ngl, I actually preferred the portraits/models with text boxes in Generations 3DS to the super ugly, highly compressed cutscenes of Lost World 3DS. That game just took some of the Wii U cutscenes and cut out the rest. Not only were they incredibly ugly, but they also some random plotholes. The first time that Sonic and Zeena meet in the 3DS version, she accuses him of messing up her nails during their last encounter. 

Rock bottom production values have been pretty common this decade.

They are pretty fucking good. It's just too bad that the synth and them just overall being tied to Sonic 4 makes them severely overlooked a lot of the time.

sega keeps a closer eye on the comics so that things don't spiral off in weird directions the way archie sonic did and some people don't like the direction/limitations they've imposed on how shadow is written.

Is he too edgy as expected or what?

It should be noted that Sega was already keeping an closer eye on Archie Sonic after the Penders Lawsuit and was calling shots on it before IDW.

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It's borderline for the best at this point. Sonic loves going to casinos anyhow

There are fates worse than death.

Oh right Team Sonic Racing was a thing.

God damn when's my mainline Sonic title SEGA come on. I'm starting to feel like a Silent Hill fan with all this news drought.

Green Hill is looking more like Silent Hill now

Silent Hill Zone

Only if they can find a way to justify a way for non-Super Sonic to fight that thing. Of all the excuses Perfect Chaos had, for one he couldn't fly.

I always wanted a Greek mythology Sonic storybook game tbh 

i legit want sonic and the bible

And Harley Quinn's new costume is god damn amazing.

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@Spin Attaxx

I watched it all a couple months back. Didn’t personally see what the rage was all about. Like the ending wasn’t entirely satisfying, but nothing to go “this show sucks” over 

I've never heard of this program before so Googled it and now I finally know what the second face is in the Cal Arts meme.

I can't speak personally but from what I've heard, an insulting as hell finale coming after two lackluster seasons that throws away the charm of Season 1 and 2 for a bunch of relationship drama, and turning Star into a garbage asshole of a person.

It's one of those endings where, if you watch it in a vacuum divorced from the rest of the series, it's not the worst thing ever, but when you stop and think about the context of the rest of the series, it has a bunch of unintentionally ugly implications (you know how people joked about Sonic killing people with that blackout in the movie? Think that, but this time it's intentional, and we see actual victims).

Though beyond that, it also does a couple of things that play into this unintentional "white saviour" narrative that I've realised kinda hangs over the series ever since it decided it wanted to be Baby's First Game of Thones instead of a lighthearted dimension-hopping comedy.

EDIT: And as Ryan said, it's also the culmination of issues that are present since the start of the third season, and are largely unaddressed even by the fourth.

people tend to over exaggerate to hell and back when it comes to cartoons so i can never tell until i watch it myself

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I don't get why people are so baffled. Exclusive deals like this have been in games since the 90s. Earthworm Jim had exclusive Sega content, The PS1 Mortal Kombat games had content not on the N64 versions, the Xbox 360 had exclusive Call of Duty stuff, this is all part of competition, companies trying to give us reasons to get their console.

Doesn't make it less shitty, dude.

I think he's wondering what has changed now for people to actually start complaining, because this has been the first major example i see for this case. Hell, only a few years ago everyone was a-ok with Ubisoft having Star Fox content for the Switch version of Starlink and no deal for the other versions.

Not to mention that is one of the most egregious examples ever. If you're dismissing that just because "it's the way it's always been", you're being wilfully ignorant and dismissive.

It was always shitty. It was shitty with star link, it was shitty with Sonic & sega all stars, and it’s shitty now.

but good god, I hate that I was right in thinking there’d be more sectioned off in this game 

Lol, fuck off Square and Sony

@KHCast I forgot about that! I could accept Banjo/Avatars on 360 and Miis on Wii because of first party rights, but having several SEGA brands exclusive to PC was lame. Although IIRC it was a much later release and SEGA simply weren't interested in the going through the associated costs of updating all the other platforms.

That and some of the added characters (2 from Total War, one from Company of Heroes and one from Football Manager) had more presence (if not complete) on the PC market. Although in that case it could be Sumo just got told the exclusitivity beforehand and decided to pick and choose themed racers.

@Thigolf  Why is it shitty? So basically you're saying Nintendo is shitty for doing that Wii U exclusivity deal with SEGA a few years back. Are they also shitty for putting their games only on the Switch? In the entertainment industry if you have no exclusive content you're nothing dude, why would I spend money on something, be it a console, a streaming service or whatever if there's nothing it offeres that others don't ?

Was SEGA shitty for not putting Sonic 2 on the SNES as well?

@Blue Blood Even in those cases, it still was a case of devaluing the PlayStation version and charging the same amount for it. Still shitty even if it “makes sense” given the characters. Hell, having different content in the same game based on different consoles is still in itself a ridiculously dumb idea to me, since it essentially tries to FOMO us and make us feel bad for not getting the other “better” version(s)

@pppp that’s a lotta false equivalences you’re making 

“In the entertainment industry if you have no exclusive content you're nothing dude” 

In the case of video games, that’s why first party exclusives are a thing 

“Was SEGA shitty for not putting Sonic 2 on the SNES as well?”

LOL WHAT? 

If a rich as fuck company shoves money up the ass of another company to keep content from other platforms, it's shitty, yes.

Especially if the former rich as fuck as company has plenty of studios and cash to make their own content anyway. Noone is mad that Sony made games are Sony platform exclusives. People are mad that Sony and Square gatekeep their third party shit. Sony gets sales. Square gets cash. The consumer gets NOTHING out of this, other than fucked over.

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So basically you're saying Nintendo is shitty for doing that Wii U exclusivity deal with SEGA a few years back.

Thinks back to how RoL literally had one leg in the grave coming out the gate as they had to port the game down from hardware they already had working builds for. Not to mention how the series in general had next to no footing tech wise this generation largely due to being stuck on that gen for another 3 years...

... I mean to be fair, it was largely Sega being stupid there too.

There was originally a LOT of skepticism over Killer Instinct because of Double Helix's prior work, to the point it's honestly throwing me for a loop to suddenly see this from the reverse angle now.

Would you really be surprised if it’s probably because Konami was being fucking Konami and meddling and putting pressure on DH resulting in what we ended up getting?

Gee that's not blatant advertisment for the (indefinitely better) PS Spider Man games at all

Looks a bit rough but reminds me of Billy Hatcher a bit.

Is this the first time Naka and Oshima have worked together since...what, Sonic Adventure?

What's more, is this the first time Square-Enix has ever done a platformer?

Ehhhh....

The anime is a simple way to understand the plot of the first game, but it will ruin the experience for you. There isn't enough time to develop many of the characters, so if they die... they don't make as much of an impression on you as the game would.

I do recommend playing the games but I also recommend playing the games in Japanese because the localization isn't great.

I will forever stick to saying that Super High School Level is more iconic than "Ultimate" for example and some things I just find super weird in it in general like the changing of names for some weird reason. This kind of localization isn't acceptable when Persona 4 did it faithfully.

You can watch the anime yeah where it has a better localization but it goes by fast and you don't get to learn about the characters as much as you would in the games due to the games having free time events. Its up to you if you how you spend your time ultimately.

Please just play the first game, it’s on PS4, Vita, PC, and both IOS/Android.

The anime is a very bare basic adaption, and rushes to fit everything into the episodes they got, meaning a lot of daily life is cut entirely, leaving most of the cast painfully underdeveloped.

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What people said, play DR1 or at the very least watch a playthrough of a game. The anime is pretty barebones.

Also a word of caution - DR3 anime (not to be confused with DRv3 the game, those are different things) is considered to be bad, so watch at your own risk

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but I also recommend playing the games in Japanese because the localization isn't great.

crow, you know this is an english speaking forum, right?

The best way to enjoy a series is through it's source. So yes, play the games. They go for crazy cheap during Steam sales.

 Play the games sure. 

Just make sure to get them on sale and cheap when you can.

They're better in english though. Sure it's localization may not be as great as Ace Attorney's, but it's still the better way to play them.

Just keep in mind the games are going to be delisted from stores as the publishing rights for the games are being changed. So if you wanna nab Dangan before it disappears for a tad bit, best get them now.

Oh FUCK RIGHT they're getting delisted for a while.

Okay I'll try the first game and see what's up. Thanks everyone.

didn't navi already leave after oot? it was a different fairy in mm, tatl in the english version.

The implication is that at the start of MM Link is searching for Navi before he gets jumped by Skull Kid. After that, the plot threads of what Link was doing at the start of the game and Navi's disappearance are never brought up again.

Proof #2.

I think he was very fair. The game has LOTS of bad traits, but several really good ones too. Ultimately, I think the bad wins out, but eh.

The gameplay is definitely the worst part of the game (which is kind of the most important thing but eh...) but everything else makes it up so much for me that it's still one of my favorite Sonic games. 

Wonder how this has made Sally fans feel 

That name is redacted from all SEGA archives.

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Wait.

Nicole the Holo-Lynx is gone too now.

Fuck I didn't think about this until now. Loved Nicole.

Sally was in a game already:

But seriously, what game are they being added to?

Like, I'm guessing Speed Battle, but I googled it and didn't find anything.

Sonic Dash

What will their voices sound like?😮

im still wondering what marine sounds like tho

@Pelvic WOO! engine Neither Dash nor Speed Battle use voice clips.

In fairness Sally had her turn used in SEGA marketing in the mid 90s, just stuff like spin off games was a less lax process those days (they sure did TRY though, just they never got off the ground).

Also at this point I can see why characters like Sticks, Tangle and Whisper have been considered more compatible with this sort of marketing, not just because their works are the fresh new 'hot topic', but because they're more easy to translate. They all have one consistent design and characterisation and it's largely flexible with the games universe. You don't lose a ton of important lore and character building slapping Sticks in her Boom design in the games world for example.

With Sally and the other Freedom Fighters, they've went through an excessive amount of retools and development. It's WAY easier to alienate actual fans of the characters by just picking one interpretation as the 'official' one and sticking them in.