Blue Wisp

~ Theme of Perfect Chaos, Sonic Generations (2011)

BURN IT

amogus

sus

when the pretender is suspicious

Because evil needs hugs too.

Hmmm....

One of the Shadow figure molds was defective, and some enterprising business man said: "Not a problem!"?

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I'll laugh if its "Blue Shadow" Mephi and not Crystal Meph.

That'd just be all kinds of messed up.

So you can "toy" with him! Haha!

Was it not every 7-12 year olds' fantasy to live out the tragic murder of our blue rodent in cute dolly form? 

Infinite, a character literally designed to be hated, got a plush, so the more charismatic Mephiles would of course later get one.

Cause I deserve a win for once.

Infinite is at least a recent character. Mephiles is from the considered-by-many worst Sonic game who got literally no representation whatsoever after 06 besides a scene here and there in the comics. Like, why give him a plush over anyone else lmao.

Where's my Solaris phase 2 plush. I'd buy that.

Forget Mephi, what about Emerl? He's been killed off from the only spin-off game he appeared in like 18 years ago, was re-built as someone else, and somehow he's getting a toy?

Gemerl spinning in his grave right now. WTF?

I really doubt they're redoing the voice acting. Everything we know labels this as a remaster, not a remake. My guess is that they're just adding in the German dub.

German, French, Spanish and the others that they've been doing some Generations. More if @Jango is right. I don't think they'll redub the game. But depending on what this remaster entails, it might be necessary. 

The italian voice direction for Sonic games since Generations has been questionable with VAs being miscasted at best, so i dread how they'll handle a redub of Colors with this style.

Keep in mind this came from a portfolio website with a date of December 2020. Not sure how long a localisation project like this would take but it'll definitely have been completed in December 2020 assuming that date is correct in the first place. If there was any new content requiring new English voiceover as well it's entirely possible Roger and any other required outgoing cast members were contracted for a short time in order to do this and it turned out to be their final Sonic performances.

It's part of the reason that I think this is due for announcement in the next week or two, German localisation being completed feels like it'd be quite far along in the pipeline. Admittedly I don't not game development so I'm mostly guessing.

The slim chance it will get redubbed with the new cast does heighten the possibility of a expanded and/or retranslated, de-Pontaffied script in exchange so...

@N000

Kate Higgins did say she ain't done with Tails just yet, so it's possible this is the project she refers to

@Supah Berry Kate voiced Tails in Colors, but you are talking about Colleen who is the current voice, she said she's not done yet...

It really depends on what the extra content is, if any.

@Teoskaven I'm italian, I've listened to the dub of various games... honestly they are fine, we have a voice actor world that's very talented, yeah some things are weird though, like Amy, Eggman and even Shadow's current VAs. I don't think they are fitting although very talented in general. Claudio Moneta as Shadow does a good job though, it's the other 2 I mentioned... heh. The rest are great, I'm not convinced about Jasmine Laurenti as Rouge though maybe?

@Blue Blood regarding the stuff I heard, only text localization, not dubbing, at least not yet... 

Colours paradise

Probably just around the corner...

Must be waiting for Sonic Prime to release so they'll have Modern Sonic, Classic Sonic, Boom Sonic and Prime Sonic all playable + playable Avatar. 

SEGA are geniusssses.

Serious thoughts; will the avatar ever return?

Eeeeeeeeh it really depends what they want to do with the franchise going onwards gameplay-wise imo. 

Considering the Boost formula is most likely gone because god damn SEGA can't hold a playstyle for more than three games reee, I don't think the Avatar style that Sonic Forces had will return. I can see a create-a-character thing happening for a platformer but I'd really rather have the rest of the already existing cast as playable characters instead.

What I do wonder is if the Wisps will return or not, considering Iizuka mentioned by Generations I think that the Wisps would be a regular part of Sonic's gameplay. Is Iizuka still even at Sonic Team? After Forces I'd imagine everything at Sonic Team got flipped upside down.

There's no such thing as Sonic Team officially anymore. It's just the brand logo that's slapped on Sonic games created by SEGA CS2, and involving key staff like Iizuka and Hoshino. That's been the case for several years now. 

SEGA lies to me once again.

SEGA is the new Konami to me

Well at least Konami is licensing Silent Hill to other companies (rest in peace Castlevania and Metal Gear).

Sonic Forces 2 will be mobile exclusive

No 

I'd honestly be surprised if we didn't have the create a character system back for the next game. 

Kinda surprised they didn't already try to splice it into the spinoffs like TSR. 

Willingham left before TSR came out and was replaced.

Wait he's gone?

Damn I loved his Knuckles. Haven't played TSR so didn't have a clue.

Well guess the voice actors for the main cast are all gone. Again.

The new guy in TSR is... some of his lines are fine, and other times they are actually legit awful. Skip to 15:34 here:

In that little scene, Knuckle's VA sounds like he's trying way too hard with the whole tough-guy act. And Rouge's VA sounded just fine in both Generations and Forces, but her TSR performance is ghastly. At least Omochao is alright in that scene? lol

A lot of the cast largely sound off in TSR. You can tell that their lines were given to them in the same disjointed way that we seem them presented in the cutscenes. The production values for the story are so low that I have to wonder why they even bother. 

@Blue Blood from what I had listened to I got the impression he was more directed to imitate Travis who was already being directed to imitate Dan Green so it just sounds really weird. It sticks out more when Papenbrook and Lindbeck got to interpret Silver and Blaze differently and they sounded better for it.

I know Silver was pretty different, but Blaze? All three of her VA's has been incredibly similar.

Even the guy who replaced Travis could be gone, too. This would leave TSR as his only performance.

Eugh that voice acting. Team Sonic Racing always felt off to me but I never saw the """"""cutscenes""""" until now.

Feels extremely cheap. 

The "cutscenes" in TSR are so inconsequential, so removed from the gameplay and so low quality they the game would have probably benefitted from not having them at all. The least that they could have done to improve these scenes would have been to not include a stupid whoosh sound effect each time the character portrait changes. In one of the first scenes they talk about taking a rocket to Planet Wisp so that they can enter the first race, but they're soon dotting around all seven zones from the game like it's nothing. Why add a story if it's meaningless?

The default/normal way to start a race in story mode skips the story anyway, which is really bizarre. Like, pressing A will go straight to the race and pressing X will take you to the cutscene and then the race (Switch version). It's unusual, and suggests that the development team thought little of the story scenes.

Some of the dialogue alone is pretty nice. I enjoy watching Sonic try to trash talk Silver only for it to go way over Silver's head and annoy Sonic in the process, or Big being the only one who isn't super racist against tanukis and the fact that he calls everyone out on their shit simply by being a nice guy. But yeah... Super cheap. Free Riders' cutscenes don't even feel as cheap as TSR's.

Even Free Riders's cutscenes had more love put to them. That game would've worked wonderfully with standard controls as an alternative without the obligatory motion controls imo. 

What is it with Sonic and static .jpg VisualNovel-like cutscenes like come on SEGA. Sonic Rush (Understandable due to being a DS/3DS handheld series but even they had some cutscenes using the ingame models), Sonic Rivals, Sonic Free Riders, Team Sonic Racing.

I'll give Rivals a free pass because it was also a side, handheld game. Rivals 2 had full voice acting for it's static portrait cutscenes too. But there's no excusing Free Riders and TSR, even if the they budget side productions. They weren't handheld games. Even Boom F&I had proper cutscenes (but not Shattered Crystal):

Although ngl, I actually preferred the portraits/models with text boxes in Generations 3DS to the super ugly, highly compressed cutscenes of Lost World 3DS. That game just took some of the Wii U cutscenes and cut out the rest. Not only were they incredibly ugly, but they also some random plotholes. The first time that Sonic and Zeena meet in the 3DS version, she accuses him of messing up her nails during their last encounter. 

Rock bottom production values have been pretty common this decade.

They are pretty fucking good. It's just too bad that the synth and them just overall being tied to Sonic 4 makes them severely overlooked a lot of the time.

sega keeps a closer eye on the comics so that things don't spiral off in weird directions the way archie sonic did and some people don't like the direction/limitations they've imposed on how shadow is written.

Is he too edgy as expected or what?

It should be noted that Sega was already keeping an closer eye on Archie Sonic after the Penders Lawsuit and was calling shots on it before IDW.

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It's borderline for the best at this point. Sonic loves going to casinos anyhow

There are fates worse than death.

Oh right Team Sonic Racing was a thing.

God damn when's my mainline Sonic title SEGA come on. I'm starting to feel like a Silent Hill fan with all this news drought.

Green Hill is looking more like Silent Hill now

Silent Hill Zone

Only if they can find a way to justify a way for non-Super Sonic to fight that thing. Of all the excuses Perfect Chaos had, for one he couldn't fly.

I always wanted a Greek mythology Sonic storybook game tbh 

i legit want sonic and the bible

And Harley Quinn's new costume is god damn amazing.

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@Spin Attaxx

I watched it all a couple months back. Didn’t personally see what the rage was all about. Like the ending wasn’t entirely satisfying, but nothing to go “this show sucks” over 

I've never heard of this program before so Googled it and now I finally know what the second face is in the Cal Arts meme.

I can't speak personally but from what I've heard, an insulting as hell finale coming after two lackluster seasons that throws away the charm of Season 1 and 2 for a bunch of relationship drama, and turning Star into a garbage asshole of a person.

It's one of those endings where, if you watch it in a vacuum divorced from the rest of the series, it's not the worst thing ever, but when you stop and think about the context of the rest of the series, it has a bunch of unintentionally ugly implications (you know how people joked about Sonic killing people with that blackout in the movie? Think that, but this time it's intentional, and we see actual victims).

Though beyond that, it also does a couple of things that play into this unintentional "white saviour" narrative that I've realised kinda hangs over the series ever since it decided it wanted to be Baby's First Game of Thones instead of a lighthearted dimension-hopping comedy.

EDIT: And as Ryan said, it's also the culmination of issues that are present since the start of the third season, and are largely unaddressed even by the fourth.

people tend to over exaggerate to hell and back when it comes to cartoons so i can never tell until i watch it myself

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I don't get why people are so baffled. Exclusive deals like this have been in games since the 90s. Earthworm Jim had exclusive Sega content, The PS1 Mortal Kombat games had content not on the N64 versions, the Xbox 360 had exclusive Call of Duty stuff, this is all part of competition, companies trying to give us reasons to get their console.

Doesn't make it less shitty, dude.

I think he's wondering what has changed now for people to actually start complaining, because this has been the first major example i see for this case. Hell, only a few years ago everyone was a-ok with Ubisoft having Star Fox content for the Switch version of Starlink and no deal for the other versions.

Not to mention that is one of the most egregious examples ever. If you're dismissing that just because "it's the way it's always been", you're being wilfully ignorant and dismissive.

It was always shitty. It was shitty with star link, it was shitty with Sonic & sega all stars, and it’s shitty now.

but good god, I hate that I was right in thinking there’d be more sectioned off in this game 

Lol, fuck off Square and Sony

@KHCast I forgot about that! I could accept Banjo/Avatars on 360 and Miis on Wii because of first party rights, but having several SEGA brands exclusive to PC was lame. Although IIRC it was a much later release and SEGA simply weren't interested in the going through the associated costs of updating all the other platforms.

That and some of the added characters (2 from Total War, one from Company of Heroes and one from Football Manager) had more presence (if not complete) on the PC market. Although in that case it could be Sumo just got told the exclusitivity beforehand and decided to pick and choose themed racers.

@Thigolf  Why is it shitty? So basically you're saying Nintendo is shitty for doing that Wii U exclusivity deal with SEGA a few years back. Are they also shitty for putting their games only on the Switch? In the entertainment industry if you have no exclusive content you're nothing dude, why would I spend money on something, be it a console, a streaming service or whatever if there's nothing it offeres that others don't ?

Was SEGA shitty for not putting Sonic 2 on the SNES as well?

@Blue Blood Even in those cases, it still was a case of devaluing the PlayStation version and charging the same amount for it. Still shitty even if it “makes sense” given the characters. Hell, having different content in the same game based on different consoles is still in itself a ridiculously dumb idea to me, since it essentially tries to FOMO us and make us feel bad for not getting the other “better” version(s)

@pppp that’s a lotta false equivalences you’re making 

“In the entertainment industry if you have no exclusive content you're nothing dude” 

In the case of video games, that’s why first party exclusives are a thing 

“Was SEGA shitty for not putting Sonic 2 on the SNES as well?”

LOL WHAT? 

If a rich as fuck company shoves money up the ass of another company to keep content from other platforms, it's shitty, yes.

Especially if the former rich as fuck as company has plenty of studios and cash to make their own content anyway. Noone is mad that Sony made games are Sony platform exclusives. People are mad that Sony and Square gatekeep their third party shit. Sony gets sales. Square gets cash. The consumer gets NOTHING out of this, other than fucked over.

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So basically you're saying Nintendo is shitty for doing that Wii U exclusivity deal with SEGA a few years back.

Thinks back to how RoL literally had one leg in the grave coming out the gate as they had to port the game down from hardware they already had working builds for. Not to mention how the series in general had next to no footing tech wise this generation largely due to being stuck on that gen for another 3 years...

... I mean to be fair, it was largely Sega being stupid there too.

There was originally a LOT of skepticism over Killer Instinct because of Double Helix's prior work, to the point it's honestly throwing me for a loop to suddenly see this from the reverse angle now.

Would you really be surprised if it’s probably because Konami was being fucking Konami and meddling and putting pressure on DH resulting in what we ended up getting?

Gee that's not blatant advertisment for the (indefinitely better) PS Spider Man games at all

Looks a bit rough but reminds me of Billy Hatcher a bit.

Is this the first time Naka and Oshima have worked together since...what, Sonic Adventure?

What's more, is this the first time Square-Enix has ever done a platformer?

Ehhhh....

The anime is a simple way to understand the plot of the first game, but it will ruin the experience for you. There isn't enough time to develop many of the characters, so if they die... they don't make as much of an impression on you as the game would.

I do recommend playing the games but I also recommend playing the games in Japanese because the localization isn't great.

I will forever stick to saying that Super High School Level is more iconic than "Ultimate" for example and some things I just find super weird in it in general like the changing of names for some weird reason. This kind of localization isn't acceptable when Persona 4 did it faithfully.

You can watch the anime yeah where it has a better localization but it goes by fast and you don't get to learn about the characters as much as you would in the games due to the games having free time events. Its up to you if you how you spend your time ultimately.

Please just play the first game, it’s on PS4, Vita, PC, and both IOS/Android.

The anime is a very bare basic adaption, and rushes to fit everything into the episodes they got, meaning a lot of daily life is cut entirely, leaving most of the cast painfully underdeveloped.

Duplicate post, ignore

What people said, play DR1 or at the very least watch a playthrough of a game. The anime is pretty barebones.

Also a word of caution - DR3 anime (not to be confused with DRv3 the game, those are different things) is considered to be bad, so watch at your own risk

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but I also recommend playing the games in Japanese because the localization isn't great.

crow, you know this is an english speaking forum, right?

The best way to enjoy a series is through it's source. So yes, play the games. They go for crazy cheap during Steam sales.

 Play the games sure. 

Just make sure to get them on sale and cheap when you can.

They're better in english though. Sure it's localization may not be as great as Ace Attorney's, but it's still the better way to play them.

Just keep in mind the games are going to be delisted from stores as the publishing rights for the games are being changed. So if you wanna nab Dangan before it disappears for a tad bit, best get them now.

Oh FUCK RIGHT they're getting delisted for a while.

Okay I'll try the first game and see what's up. Thanks everyone.