Blue Blood

I think it comes from a fear of trying to top the last iconic boss fight by doing something different. It's easier to keep trying to recapture the old glory. Halo's warthog runs are a great example of this, because although they aren't bosses, they are an attempt to recapture an iconic finale moment.

With Sonic it's just recycling an okay final boss rather than something incredibly popular, so that's kind of weird.

Your first problem is expecting Nintendo games to have good final bosses in the first place

Sonic lately has been lazy in concepts I would agree. But Mario has never been one to try to reinvent the wheel often. One could also argue being different just for the sake of being different doesn't often lead to good results. Takes a strongly skilled passionate visionary to keep thinking up different yet great ideas and willing to play it risky... which investors & even fans sometimes tend to not support.

The idea with Nintendo is that they can reuse a lot of structure knowing that new generations are gonna be playing their games all the time 

Compared to Mario, Sonic changes their final bosses too much post-SA1 and pre-Colours. Back then, when guessing what the final boss would be like, you just entered the lottery of confusing gameplay changes.

I never got why most 3D Mario games would use the same Bowser fight more than once.

@Polkadi~☆ The only final boss that ever came as somewhat of a surprise was the Biolizard and Final Hazard in SA2. The rest were all very clearly telegraphed through the games' stories. 
 

I'm not talking about fighting the same character though. People did get very tired of seeing Eggman replaced by the monster of the week in every new game for several years. And Bowser is always the villain in Mario games, so he's always going to be the final boss. The issue in taking about us when the actual flights are painfully similar between games. The problem with Colours, Lost World and Forces isn't that it's Eggman. It's that the fight, the actual gameplay that goes on there, is almost identical between games.

@Supah Berry Kirby laughs in puyo 

@Blue Blood I meant the gameplay style. Colours, Lost World and Forces have the same fights, but between Colours and SA1, that's the lottery of gameplay styles at the final boss. It no longer builds upon established gameplay, and instead completely flips it's hat and makes you need to get used to a whole new style.

When compared to Super Mario, which has a final boss that serves as the ultimate finale to everything you learned in the game, it's just ridiculous.

I feel like it's due largely in part to the resolution jump. The first run ran at 720p (if I recall) while 2 runs at 1080p (for the most part) which can make a big ass difference. I believe that there was also a pretty sizable jump in polygon count for most of the standard models, better anti-aliasing, shadows, textures, and the usual suspects but I could be wrong on some of those. It's a lot of small, subtle upgrades that add up to a real difference when put side by side.

You can clearly tell that the team became a lot more comfortable with the engine.

Yeah, it's mostly small things, which is I think it's why it wasn't so obvious to begin with. They make a huge difference though. And the really make the ink look better. It's much glossier now, with better splash patterning and now depth.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that they same person who just completely missed the ball in regards to the 5th DLC fighter?

Legitimately no idea whatsoever.

i bet they're making a new f-zero and translating mother 3 too

>nintendo leakers

I just don't care about any game until I physically have it in my hands these days god

I don't really believe Nintendo leakers at all nowadays

I've grown to learn that lighting can't strike twice with leakers. They're dignified for getting a real leak, or just extremely lucky with one, then they use the trust gained as an excuse to makeup as much BS they'd like.

Though truth be told, Inteligent Systems filled the criteria for their Fire Emblem for systems, so it would make sense to move on to something different like PM.

Paper Mario rumors are bullshit and I wish people would stop making them since Nintendo has repeatedly shot down the idea of ever going back to the old style, and told fans to fuck off and play a different series instead. They weren't even this hardheaded about Metroid after Other M destroyed the series rep for a while.

I could see paper mario attempting a return to form honestly, there's no way the backlash to color splash didn't reach nintendo. That said, there are a lot of reasons I'm not sure if Intelligent Systems has another Thousand Year Door tier game in them, and believe it or not, the biggest question is not just "will shiggy let them?" 

^Miyamoto said that he is trying to be less rigid with Mario and we can see a example of this change of creative direction with games like Odyssey, Mario Tennis Aces and Luigi's Mansion 3. I don't believe in this rumor, but I wouldn't be surprised if a old-school Paper Mario actually happened after some time.

Man, how much must it suck for all the titles the media could give you for what you make your name known for and they settle on "prolific leaker"

Nintendo has just been weirdly, uncharacteristically aggressive about not revisiting the PM64/TTYD style that I actually believe them when they say it. They're not like this with any of their other series, and I fully expect to see a brand new F-Zero or Star Fox game before we get another good Paper Mario game, much less one that follows the old formula.

I envy you guys for being optimistic but I've given up years ago.

I still place some of the blame at Intelligent Systems growing more and more in to "Fire Emblem Studios" over the years.

I'll admit the increase in the FE to non-FE ratio is less extreme they I might make it out to be, but I still feel like FE is where all the high quality goes in IS nowadays. It's not just for PM; we could've gotten a new Advance Wars by now, and something tells me it'd gonna be awhile before the big Switch WarioWare.

i've been going back to Splatoon recently after a long break. i'm really appreciating how not frustrating it is to play online in that game compared to Smash

Agreed. I can't play shooters on other consoles without wishing they had gyro controles. You just can't get the precision you'd like to have with just a stick. 

Doing the rough aiming with the stick and the fine-tuning with a slight wrist movement is just so perfect. You can shoot exactly where you want to.

I really hope this becomes a standard for other consoles, too. 

I'm not sure which I use for fine tuning and which for broad movements. I think it's a bit of both. Whenever I watch people playing games and they turn off motion controls because they don't like them, I just want to say to them try them for a few hours. Motion controls take some acclimatisation, and you can tell when someone hasn't put in any time with them. Especially playing Splatoon, which is pretty casual by all shooter standards, you quickly appreciate having your right hand freed up.

I'm pretty sure they want to bury it forever

I think it might be the same thing with S3K, due to some elements not really adhering with Mania.

It's right next to Zelda 2 as in their personal hall of shame.

It's one thing to say the CDI games are why no dialouge in Zelda or Mario. Then there are those who find Sunshine a better excuse cause it's an offical Nintendo game and goes "MARIO HOW DARE YOU DISTURB MY FAMILY VACTION" and "FAKE MARIO RUINED OUR ISLAND, ARREST REAL MARIO" and "BEEP BOOP, I AM ROBO NAVI THE WATER GUN" and "SAY SOMETHING, YOU FAKE PLUMBER"

nah, it was on the gamecube so it's never going to see the light of day again

Seems like a good choice of a game for them to remaster. i watched good handful of lets players on youtube who are really fond of the game.

It's the worst 3D Mario game but it's still better than the majority of 3D platformers. I liked what I played of it and it needs to make a comeback.

i don't think they'll ever really draw attention to it again outside of references. Even if they didn't mind how unpolished and incomplete it was the analog trigger stuff means it's a ways off of ever getting a rerelease.

^Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were on the Game Cube and got remakes, though...

I think Nintendo has a soft spot for Sunshine (just count the easter eggs in other Mario games), but they know that the game is very divisive nowadays. Re-releasing it would just waste money and time that could be spended in a new project or a port of a well received Mario game like Galaxy or 64.

Miyamoto hates it, so probably never.

There is if you throw it at someone. 

But plush toys give us comforting feeling.

Tails dolls have more energy

Kill it with fire

ARMS had the much needed potential to be among those avert this status quo with Nintendo protagonist with a potential story mode and the comics...

And look where that ended up.

Every time someone suggests this there's always some dumbass, self-unaware jerk who's always all like "bUt ThE CDi ThOuGh", as if Nintendo had any say in how it was written or presented.

Kid Icarus Uprising had loads of spoken dialogue and it turned out to be one of the game's biggest strengths. Nintendo can do spoken just fine, they just don't consider it a priority most of the time, for better or worse.

@Supah BerryARMS' problem was that it was a niche and somewhat gimmicky 1-on-1, fighter. I've actually not played it, and that's entirely because the genre does nothing for me. It didn't interest a lot people where it really counted, and that's the gameplay.

@Blacklightning Exactly! Although I have to say that while the dialogue in BotW is great, the voice acting is aggressively mediocre. I don't know why they used such a limited roster of voice actors and used the voice direction of "as generic anime as you can be" for the English cast (no idea how other languages fare in that regard). It was Purah's vice at the end of the Champion's Ballad that really drove me up the wall, but listening to voices like Yunobo and Mipha throughout the game bothered me to. I'll never buy into the argument that an idea is bad just because it wasn't pulled off well previously. Whether or not an idea is bad has nothing to do with whether or not is handled well.

I dunno how to feel about Link talking tbh, it'd be a tough thing to pull off but could be done. Generally in-game I like him just being my avatar though, and I REALLY love that they actually made it a justified part of his character in BotW's backstory, one of the things that makes him my fave version of Link overall. I was actually so sure he was gonna say just one, crucial thing to Zelda in that moment where he's about to fall unconcious in the final, 13th memory, and that would be his single line in the game. It's implied that he's opened up to Zelda in conversation in the past off-camera so it makes sense he'd say something meaningful to her in that moment where he was probably about to die.

My main beef with Splatoon though is that you're forced to wear a specific outfit for the story modes. The whole point of getting to play as your avatar character is completely stupid when your avatar character looks pretty much identical to everyone else's. Give me SOMETHING to express myself through.

Despite a person's insistence on doing it, I'm pretty sure it's "humor" intended when people bring up CDI Zelda writing and acting.

An accurate argument is Nintendo gets negative reception and they back-off from doing it ever again...for an indefinite amount of time.

@StaticManiaSounds more like Sega tbh.

Nintendo will do stupid shit regardless of what people say. Though, their stance on writing has always been one of desire rather than anything else. Mainly due to their "gameplay over everything else" hardcore stance.

When they want to write a story, they do and it's usually decent. The thing is, they often just don't.

Well, with Nintendo it's the reception on things they've never done before or rarely do.

While with Sega it'd be the things they have done before but gotten progressively worse at.

Link shouldn't talk 

Not every game needs a traditional narrative structure and it's better not to force one in if you're not good at writing one or have no interest.

I don't necessarily want Link to talk. I just wouldn't mind if he did. 

No amount of money is worth the beauty my ears had showered upon them this day

But weirdly despite telling them this they still accepted the couple of grand in cash anyway

I don't mind the news broadcasts as they're barely a couple of mins but a skip feature would be great. With no new dialogue, Splatfests or major updates coming there's no reason to not have these segments be skippable. You can find the rotations online anyway.

I play Splatoon frequently and this is why I load the game before sorting out the general environment around me.

It's undeniably better than in the first game wherein you had to watch the broadcast at every stage rotation. But even if they're only a couple of minutes, it feels so unnecessary. I spend the entire time just mashing the A button. And to be totally honest, I don't care enough about what stages are in rotation. 9 times out of 10, I only play regular Turf War. I may join in ranked battles to play some Clam Blitz or Splat Zones at a push, but never Tower Control or any League Matches. The game makes you sit through a bunch of info that you may not interested in and can see much faster on the menu.

Agreed. If they don't add the ability to skip these segments in a patch I hope they add it in the next game.

That's fair. I kind of care about the stages because I play ranked but again, I can check for those online. I mostly play Salmon Run and that runs on a time limit anyway so there's no reason to boot up the game without knowing whether it's on or not.

I just remembered you can also check the schedule in the in game menu lol