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  1. The trailer literally shows off the main five games included, why would you think it has anything else?
  2. People shouldn't be shocked Rangers leaked.

    No one probably remembers given it was over ten years ago, but Unleashed was revealed with a leaked trailer because some dumbass on Sega left it open for hackers to get and the rest was history.

    1. Speedi [ スピヂ ]

      Speedi [ スピヂ ]

      Something something Sonic 4 Episode 2's beta.

    2. Stasis

      Stasis

      From what I recall wasn't it in an easy to find press folder? 

    3. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Sonic 4 ep 1 in like its entirety a long while before release (causing them to delay it and actually fix some of it)

      Generations Demo having a full level list in its data among other things

      This series was never really the tightest ran ship out there.

    4. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      Considering how good SEGA has been when it comes to leaks over the last few years I thought that it would have been hush hush

    5. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Unleashed wasn't just the trailer; it was a huge dump of screenshots as well. And I will always remember that many of areas in the screenshots ended up being DLC only. I don't even event when Unleashed was officially announced. It's the leak that sticks in my mind.

    6. azoo

      azoo

      I remember having direct talks with the people leaking Unleashed at the time, and seeing it a solid day or so before the rest of the internet (including SSMB or Retro) got it. Gooood times.

    7. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Yo, y'all remember Camp Sonic?

    8. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Oh damn, that takes me back. I remember checking that shit every Saturday to see if a trailer had dropped in that late summer period.

      For those not in the know.

      Also, just took a look at in on the way back machine and lol

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      Good times.

    9. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      My entire Summer of that year was on that fucking site. 

  3. True, but this is Sega; its completely in-character for them to do some shit like that regardless of logic. I want to be wrong tho.
  4. Rangers will probably get mixed reception because that's just par for the course with a new style. BUT, it leaves room for improvement.

    Unleashed lead to Generations after all.

    1. Soniman

      Soniman

      Most people in this Fandom think Unleashed is better then Gens though LOL.

       

    2. Sonikko

      Sonikko

      If the game is actually good I don't see why it would be met with mixed reception. 

      Unleashed got mixed reception because the Werehog was there, and the game was bloated with side missions and backtracking, not because the boost style was met with lukewarm reception.

      If anything, it got mixed reception because the boost was there, otherwise it would've been bad and nothing more.

    3. Speedi [ スピヂ ]

      Speedi [ スピヂ ]

      Where's the lie? 

    4. PickleBrows

      PickleBrows

      What we need more than anything is some ambition and drive from the games. 

      A game with some rough edges but at least tried is far easier to take than Forces' "remove all risks possible" approach.

      If the game IS open world to any extent I think it'll score some brownie points for that alone, it's still a very "in" thing for games to do.

    5. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I think that at large, communities such as this one and Retro will be pretty receptive to a game that's new and interesting. Whilst there are plenty of people in said communities that would be happier to see another standard boost game than anything else, most seem to edging towards the camp that at least wouldn't mind seeing something else even if they don't want the boost to be retired. Personally, I say fuck the boost gameplay.

      But whether or not the game gets a good reception from me in the end really just depends on the quality. I trust critics to some extent, but it seems to me that the community is a much better judge of Sonic games than mass media. I saw tons of praise for Colours Ultimate yesterday for example, with comments about how good the port looks and how amazing the original game was too. I disagree with that. I disagreed with their positive opinions about S4, just as I also disagreed with their negative opinions about Unleashed. The praise and criticisms that they give Sonic games so often seems to be misplaced. Even Mania for praised for a lot of the wrong reasons, despite me agreeing that it was utterly fantastic and one of the best Sonic games ever made.

      I can see critics coming down hard on the game just for not being 100% high octane running gameplay with lots of 2D sections. And God forbid that it actually had a proper storyline and use of the extended cast. Yeah, experience tells me that the fans will be better judges, whether the game is good or bad.

    6. Cosmos Rogue

      Cosmos Rogue

      @Blue Blood I don't know if I can agree that the fans are a better judge of this series than the critics when the fans can't even agree on on what the series even is, but I do think you're onto something when you say the critics might be, well, critical if the gameplay isn't fast enough. Sega has sold the series as being Gotta Go Fast for so long, and with Sonic Team's only games that were even modest successes in the past decade and a half being the boost games, I worry that if the games slow down at all going forward it will be seen as a regression by the critics and general public alike.

    7. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      That's the thing, I don't trust fans either lmao. Because some people will reject the game because its not Sonic Adventure or a classic styled 3D game.

      Sonic's weird because the standards for quality are all over the place depending on who you speak to, which makes judging a game by concensus extremely difficult.

       

      @Soniman Generations is only Slightly less popular in my experience. Unleashed has better presentation but most agree Generations is a better game overall.

    8. Cosmos Rogue

      Cosmos Rogue

      @Kuzu Since becoming a part of the Sonic community again for the first time in like 15 years, I've been surprised by just how important story telling is to so many fans, and even more surprised by how happy they were with the pre-Colors stories. Sometimes it feels like I played different games than them.

    9. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      @Cosmos Rogue The fans often offer much more nuanced opinions than the critics, and are more willing to give changes a chance. Lots of fans will literally just lap up any Sonic shit and cry "hater" when somebody else criticises the games, but I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the people who want Sonic to be good and are interested in seeing the series grow and thrive as something more than just "lol green hill and gotta go fast".

    10. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Cosmos Rogue A lot of those people (myself included) grew up with those games and it some of the first storytelling we saw in video games. So it kind of resonated with us on an emotional level. Even if I understand the games aren't exactly well executed, I can still find enjoyment from them.

    11. Cosmos Rogue

      Cosmos Rogue

      @Blue Blood Gotcha. I agree, the absolute best criticisms of the series have come from the community itself, with Shaymin's Sonic Spitball videos probably being the gold standard. I just think the average critic is still a better judge of what a good Sonic game is than the average Sonic fan.

      @Kuzu I get the nostalgia. The Adventure games are my childhood as much as the classics are, but I think we can also take the rose tinted glasses off long enough to acknowledge that the writing needed to improve in subsequent games.

    12. Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon

      Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon

      @Cosmos Rogue Admittedly, when we get crap like IGN's SOnic Unleashed review or Gamespot's Lost world review, and other cases where officially reviewers blatantly lie about issues with the games, I can see where skepticism regarding hired critics can come into play.

    13. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      The new gameplay will leave room for improvement alright.

       

       

      That's why they'll instantly throw it out and go back to linear boost gameplay

    14. Detective Kaito

      Detective Kaito

      So you're saying that you're okay with getting another mediocre game 5 years after Forces?

    15. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      @Supah Berry You could build a whole new game and an Olympic sized swimming pool in Lost World's "room for improvement".

    16. BadBehavior

      BadBehavior

      and Generations leds to Forces. 🤷‍♂️

    17. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      @BadBehaviorGenerations didn't leave much room for improvement, so they decided to create some. 

  5. I honestly think the Tails icon is just cosmetic. Not being pessimistic, just following the logic. If Tails was playable, I'd imagine that would be something to announce. Even if he is playable, he's just gonna be a skin with literally nothing that makes him unique.
  6. We're gonna get the Nega Wisp Armor again as the final boss and it's going to leave me mind broken if I have to see it.

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      how very zen

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Zen will only take you so far. 

    3. T-Min

      T-Min

      I mean, the final boss of Forces wasn't a Nega Wisp Armor rehash

      It was shit, but at least it wasn't a Nega Wisp Armor rehash

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      The last phase is literally the same fight man, 

    5. Soniman

      Soniman

      What else would it be?

    6. T-Min

      T-Min

      Damn, maybe I just didn't remember the Forces final boss that well

      because it wasn't very good

    7. Celestia

      Celestia

      Until they go nuts and add a Mother Wisp fight

    8. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      but we might be able to fight it as tails

  7. Kate didn't leave of her own accord guys, she's part of a VA union and couldn't reprise Tails in Boom. Sega just figured it was easier to keep things consistent with Tails having the same voice in both brands...except Boom died so LOL.
  8. Ya know, come to think of it. Anyone notice how a lot of publishers or developers just...do not acknowledge some of their work from the 2000's? As if its their awkward teen years that they just wanna forget. 

    Fucking Naughty Dog haven't said a goddamn thing about Jak and Daxter despite it turning 20 this year...

    Nintendo have yet to release the original Paper Mario or it's sequel, or the Mario Strikers series at all...

    .....What the fuck?

    1. T-Min

      T-Min

      I was pretty frustrated when we finally got a Super Mario Sunshine rerelease and it was just a crappy emulation on a limited-time release

      Worst part is, now I'm almost wishing I had picked it up because my GameCube doesn't work anymore.

    2. Inkling Cooper

      Inkling Cooper

      Does stuff like Crash 4 kind of ignoring Crash games from the time like Wrath of Cortex (Even though that was named Crash 4 in Japan) count as part of this? Here's the Japanese cover for the game by the way. (Crash 4 does have references to Wrath of Cortex or Twinsanity though).Japanese_WOC_Xbox_Boxart.jpg.f2a82b8fbbed9d58aa687d8fb099f023.jpg

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Inkling Cooper YO IT ACTUALLY DOES LMAO!!!

    4. T-Min

      T-Min

      Not to mention the continued lack of a Metroid Prime Trilogy rerelease...

    5. Harkofthewaa

      Harkofthewaa

      @Inkling Cooper I mean, yes and no. Crash 4 ignores all that stuff outside of Eater Eggs, but Crash Team Racing:  intro Fueled went out of its way to pay homage to Crash's dork years. They even gave Coco and Crunch skins based from the not well liked Radical games even!

    6. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      "Good life was so much better during the 90s, the world nowadays is full of shit, I wanna bring the good times back"

      So many times I heard that over and over again on YouTube that I steadily grew more annoyed with through my early years on the web in the late 2000s. Now look at us now, companies answering these 90s/80s purists every plea till they're fat and rich. While the people who grew up in the 00s era "nobody" likes pay the price.

       

       

      It isn't all doom and gloom though. Thanks to Friday Night Funkin', Newgrounds seems to be having a renascence in popularity like back in the 2000s. But I'm more than ready for the 2000s nostalgia train to take off.

  9. If this was exclusive, people would have been even madder tbh. This was a no-win scenario.
  10. I think it's really settling in just how much Sega have ignored the 1999-2010 period. Outside of the shitty ports of SA1 and SA2 in the early 2010's, has there been a single fucking game they released from that period in modern day?

    Like goddamn...just take a huge ass dump on my childhood why don't ya.

    1. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      Don't worry. They'll put Seaside Hill in the next game/kart racer again and it'll make up for everything like it always does. 

    2. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      The closest they've done to acknowledging it was Forces in some misguided understanding of tone and throwing Shadow and Chaos in all the advertising (and then not let you fight them or give them anything to do).

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Dr. Detective Mike It's not even Seaside Hill at this point, it's just another Green Hill. 

      "What is this Adventure era that you speak of? It never existed" 

    4. T-Min

      T-Min

      Considering that the era between Heroes and Unleashed was right when critics started slamming Sonic games as "bad," I doubt they'll ever rerelease anything from that time, even if there is demand. Which is sad, because I've seen a lot of reappraisal of those games from the twentysomethings who grew up playing them. Hell, I've even tripped over a few pro-06 thinkpieces.

    5. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      They pay lip-service to it here and there, mostly in things that are held up by people who actually do care about stuff from that era, like how Tikal shows up in the Chao in Space cartoon or in the Forces Mobile game along with Chaos, who was in actual Forces. 

      Or they'll remix Radical Highway when you play as Shadow in the Sunset Heights level. Or play Tails' theme over him flying the Tornado in that bonus stage in Lost World.

      It's mostly just music really. They get some sort of weird thrill drip feeding it in bits and pieces just enough to keep hope alive despite knowing they won't do anything substantial.

    6. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      What's adventure? Are you talking about Big's Big Fishing Adventure 3. Surely that must be the childhood anticipation you speak of. Wonder why there was no Adventure 1 or 2....

    7. T-Min

      T-Min

      Remember when crackpot rumor mill channels were latching onto every rumor that we might be getting SA1 and SA2 remakes

      yeah

    8. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      PREM. on Twitter: "ummm https://t.co/vSVfMzYzRc"

      "Do you now know the pain my fans felt when 1996-2010 happened yet?"

       

       

       

       

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                                                                              "DO YOU?!"

       

  11. What content gets included on this collection will determine if it's worth it for me. Mega Collection had all of the Comic covers from that point in the series, as well as videos and teasers for upcoming stuff. Not expecting Sonic Jam levels of stuff, but at least Mega Collection.
  12. Yea, not expecting anyone but Sonic to be playable as has been the norm since 2008.
  13. I swear to god, it's gonna be 2030 and we're gonna have to read statements like this. It's a fucking nightmare...

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    1. Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon

      Jovahexeon Jax Joranvexeon

      Doesn't matter whether the game's good, bad, or amazing, people will always bring that up for cheap drama points.

    2. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      "It really makes you FEEL like Spider-Man."

    3. PickleBrows

      PickleBrows

      You can literally delete that entire first sentence and the article is perfectly fine.

      Also "rough period in the late '00s and early '10s". It used to be "rough time transitioning to 3D" but that's now too long ago so they're conveniently changing it so they can keep their little dig in the opener.

    4. The Master

      The Master

      Early 10's? Colours and Generations? They were the ones people thought was good, it was the late 10's we had problems with.

    5. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      "Balan Wonderworld is living proof that no matter what they make, anyone who created Sonic are incapable of making good games"

       

      "Sonic has gone through hard times, even if he's not Sonic"

    6. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      aren't you used to it by now

    7. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      The early 10's was a great time for this series, wtf?

    8. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      early 10s is literally the one time in history post dreamcast he wasn't in some kind of rough patch lmao

    9. PickleBrows

      PickleBrows

      Mainstream outlets now have to pretend they were unimpressed with Sonic 4 Episode 1 at the time when really the were treating it as the best thing since the knife that went on to invent sliced bread.

    10. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      Ah yes. Early 2010s. The time of Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations, and Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed. Those games that everybody hates.

    11. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Quote

      The time of Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations, and Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed. Those games that everybody hates.

      Actually, tbh, if the guy spent 5 minutes here he'd probably still come to that conclusion...

    12. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      True, nobody likes Sonic Colors anymore after all. 

    13. Dr. Detective Mike

      Dr. Detective Mike

      I wasn't a fan of Colors when it came out.

      Never hated it. Gonna buy it again even. But... yeah.

    14. T-Min

      T-Min

      The early 2010s was literally the only period in my time as an Internet user that people at large were remotely optimistic about Sonic,

    15. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      “Sonic had a roughy transition into 3D”

      Weak. Overplayed. Unoriginal. 
       

      “Throughout out the ups and down Sonic is still moving forward”

      Sounds badass. Knows it’s flaws but will never give up and keeps on improving 

  14. Always gotta love how every Sonic release has such polarizing reactions, literally always. Anyway, open-world certainly sounds more attractive than just another Boost game, even if I would have preferred an Adventure follow up. It's something different at the very least and that's all I've wanted from Sonic more than anything right now, just something to take the series into the next generation. "Rangers" implies there's gonna be some focus on the environment and nature this time around, so I guess Eggman is gonna be doing his usual "Fuck shit up with technology" and the gimmick is about restoring or preventing that.
  15. Please for the love of god don't leave us months without at least seeing a gameplay trailer Sega, 

    1. Lord-Dreamerz

      Lord-Dreamerz

      Considering the game might still be in heavy development, there is a good chance they won't show anything until near the end of the year.

    2. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I think it really all depends on when the game is actually coming out. If it's Winter 2022 then yeah, we'll probably be running dry till spring of next year. If it's the first half of 2022 though, I can see them starting to show stuff by the end of the summer.

      Though, the bad news is that the only date we have is 2022 and I don't see them clearing that up until... well, they show more...

  16. Not being a boost game is a good start, but neither was Lost World so....

    1. T-Min

      T-Min

      I mean, I liked Lost World, but I'd also hesitate to call it "ambitious" so much as "experimental," so I'm not sure how well Sonic Team could pull off an actual extreme shift.

      Anticipating the worst, hoping for the best, I guess.

    2. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      Wait, do we know for sure that it's not a boost game?

      I thought all we had was a short CGI teaser?

    3. VisionaryofSUPER

      VisionaryofSUPER

      @Dr. Mechano 4chan leaks dating from January give more details and how its been linking with current info.

    4. Celestia

      Celestia

      Okay but if it was a boost game it could easily be as bad as Forces. Or as good as Gens!

      Thinking about it now, I sure hope they've been hiring a lot of decent talent the last few years because basically nobody was left in 2017.

  17. Sonic the Hedgehog x Burning Rangers crossover, let's go. Two Sonic Team IP's together again.

     

  18. Sonic Rangers where they're all somehow just Sonic 

    1. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      This was my first thought too and I hate it

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      You already know its gonna happen. Brace yourself.

  19. I'll get to play Sonic Colors again at least, been almost ten years since I have.

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Give it a play on Dolphin if your computer can handle it, along with a 60fps mod. I did that last year and enjoyed it, and that was also the first time in close to ten years that I'd played it too. I'm not jumping at the chance to play Ultimate as a result.

  20. Mania sure, but Forces had way more speculation iirc. In any case, there's not much I can say about this new game until we get more info as usual.
  21. Really fucking wish they weren't so cryptic, but its pretty much what I expected. The game is giving me Boost vibes as the Generations and Forces teasers did tbh, but we'll see.
  22. So much for mods on Steam, son of a bitch...
  23. Just play Sonic 3 A.I.R. in other words.
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