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  1. Ya know, and it's weird. Fans can rip the Sonic series a new one for everything that it does wrong and what its' not doing right, but nobody ever elaborates on what they actually want out of the series and what are it's strengths that it can improve on. I suppose that's inevitable with how long the series has been going on for at this point, but I always get the feeling that people enjoy complaining about Sonic rather than actually enjoying what it does. 

    It's so weird. 

    1. Rabbitearsblog

      Rabbitearsblog

      I agree with this.  I feel like a lot of fans don't want to focus on the positive aspects of the series.  It just seems like they want to complain about everything, despite the fact that the comics and the movies are doing pretty well.  I did see a few Youtubers elaborate on what they want to see from the series, which is a good start, but I wish there were more discussions about what is good with the series instead of listing all the negatives with this series.

    2. Guy Strong

      Guy Strong

      Is that true though? If you're talking about fans specifically, I'm certain I've seen tons of threads and comments and videos online about 'how to fix sonic'. 

      Sonic is easy to complain about because it gets so much wrong so frequently. But I certainly wouldn't say people don't say what they do want from the series. Whether it's more characters, or rolling to come back, or less linear levels or whatever the hell. I think there's just not much more people can say about it anymore. Most people (on forums) don't seem to really enjoy what sonic does for the past ~decade and personally for me deservingly so. The only good to come game wise is mania and even that won't satisfy a lot of people since so many got into sonic through the adventures. They don't quench the same thirst.

      It's also a lot easier to complain than it is to praise (especially when there is so little to praise and so much to complain about in this series).

    3. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      but nobody ever elaborates on what they actually want out of the series and what are it's strengths that it can improve on

      bruh

      Are you for real?

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Blue Blood I wanna clarify that I mean, that it feels more like the dissenters are the people who are defining Sonic more than the people who actually like it. Look at the names of the eras people use to define things like "the dark age" or "the meta era", names generally used by people who don't like what the series was doing at those points in time.

      It feels like Sonic, especially nowadays,  is defined more by it's negatives at this point, no matter how minor those negatives actually are. 

      And I get WHY that's the case, but Jeez.

    5. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      Plenty of people are saying what they want from the series. I  don't know where you are getting this from?

      Also saying "But the Comics and movies are good!" is weird to me. Sonic started as a video game franchise. It's still THE thing it is known for. Telling people to enjoy other media when they want video games from a video game franchise is just confusing. You're not getting the same out of it.

      Also, and I want to emphasize this, people complain because they want things to get better. What does Sonic Forces even do great, for example? Or even good? It has a solid soundtrack, am I supposed to clap and praise them now because some parts of a product are good? Because some games in the entire franchise are objectively solid? I'm tired of digging through trash to find some solid nuggets in the franchise and then applaud Sega for making some good choices in between a dozen bad ones. Give me great games and I'll gladly sing their praises. Heck, I've often enough talked about things I love in the franchise. Give me good games and I'll probably talk way more about the good. But if you keep giving me games, over and over, that are mainly made up of bad to mediocre things, I'll talk a lot more about the bad to mediocre things than the small good things in between. 

      I'm done with giving Sega goodwill until they prove that they actually have good, solid products in store for me. Because they burned me a lot. And I'm gonna criticize them until they get better, because I finally want a future where you can look at Sonic games again and say, without a doubt, objectively, that a game is good. That's all I want. Quality. And until they're proving to me that they can deliver, I'm gonna have a negative stance. Because, at this point, I don't think they deserve a better one.

    6. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I think just saying we want "quality" isn't really enough anymore; everyone's standards for quality are all over the fucking place now. We have people praising what 06 did as a measure of quality now, and I can guarantee you that there are some people who enjoy Forces in some shape or form. 

      Similarly, people now enjoy Sonic for different reasons beyond just the video games. Yes, Sonic is a video game series primarily, but you'd be surprised by the amount of people who became fans of the series through other means besides the video games, including the movie.

      In terms of "quality", Sonic just kind of....exists. Fans swear up and down that the latest games are the worst trash imaginable, but outside of that very small scope of people, nobody really gave a shit about Forces, at all. It was like a fart in the wind basically. 

      The bottom line is, nobody knows what to expect anymore and everyone is scared, angry, and confused by the lack of direction of where this series is going. 

      Can we even confidently say what Sonic even IS anymore? I'm at a point where I just enjoy the simple things in this series, but all of this anger and confusion seems born from a fear of the unknown. 

    7. Cosmos Rogue

      Cosmos Rogue

      I don't know why you're acting like any of this is a recent development. Sonic fans have been broadly unhappy with the series for most of the past decade and a half now, and Lost World, the game that proceeded Forces, generated the same apathetic response that Forces did.

    8. Milo

      Milo

      Somewhat unrelated but on the whole bit of people not elaborating what they want out of the series or where things can improve—I’m at the point of saying people did, but have eventually stopped bothering.

      When you’re dealing with a company that showed its ass on this much it valued fan feedback (“true blue initiative”), a historic lack of meaningful improvement/change, and said company also has the benefit/defense of people in and out of the franchise who always lie in wait to cap on complainers (“baw, green eyes!”, “lol armchair game dev”, et. al.). Why even continue to care?

      (Emphasis on that last point, look at how people still make jokes on how people who railed against the original Sonic movie design are adult basement dwellers who have nothing better to do, despite that design being mocked and slated by virtually everybody.)

  2. The "soul vs. soulless" argument is just a thinly veiled way of saying "They're changing things about my childhood, and I don't like it".

    1. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      ...no? You can often tell when things get put together without love, passion and/or effort. It doesn't have anything to do with nostalgia.

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      In the context it usually used in, it's most definitely related to nostalgia. Particularly when its used in comparison between two products produced at two different points in time. 

      Art itself is subjective; you can't just say "This piece of work was made with no passion because" and just think its fact. 

    3. Wraith

      Wraith

      "soul" doesn't really mean anything by itself. I'd rather people just specify which qualities they're looking for

    4. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I agree that it can't really be quantified, but there are telltale signs when something is done out of genuine passion and when something is a corporate decision. And yet the two aren't always totally separate. 

      ShTH was probably both, for example. Shadow was like Iizuka's baby. Making a Sonic game based around guns and appealing to the 2005 GTA crowd probably isn't what Iizuka envisioned or wanted for his character, but that didn't stop him from trying his best.

    5. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Its most definitely prominent in remakes of older properties, due to cultural changes between releases. 

  3. *Insert snarky comment about fanboy replies here* I don't even have the energy to make fun of fan stupidity anymore man, its all so tiresome.

     

    1. Speedi

      Speedi

      Why people go so far to fight for any company that wants nothing but their money I'll never understand lol.

    2. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Like- I like watching stuff from Disney, whether it's Pixar, Star Wars, Marvel whatever. Can you imagine the guilt I have to go through for daring to "support" and give my money to what's arguably the capital of capitalism just because their products just so happen to be in my taste??

      Nintendo's no different, and this is guy who likes them too. Seeing it takes them ten times longer for them to adapt to basic modern practices that virtually every other company has adapted a decade or two ago, it's no wonder their fans are hesitant to realize any wrongdoing they've done recently. Here's the thing- this goes for all companies your a "fan" of: You may love a company, and that's perfectly okay, but they don't, have not, and will never, ever, love you back.

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Speedi Because they makes games that we like apparently.

  4. I was today years old when I discovered that the colors of the Chaos Emeralds are based on the primary and secondary colors of light. 

    1. FReaK

      FReaK

      I was now years old when I discovered that the colors of the Chaos Emeralds are based on the primary and secondary colors of light. 

    2. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I don't know how intentional that was to tell you the truth. The Emeralds didn't even have a consistent colour scheme until SA1. 

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Aside from one or two of them, the colors have actually been fairly consistent.

      There's almost always been a Red, Blue, Green, White, Yellow, and Purple Emerald for instance. 

       

      The Sky blue Emerald is the one that's constantly changing, and that's the one that got added from Sonic 2 onward. 

    4. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Sonic 1 lacked the cyan Emerald.

      Sonic 2 introduced the cyan Emerald but replaced the blue one with pink (meaning that there was pink and purple).

      Sonic 3's red Emerald was arguably pink, and the yellow Emerald was definitely orange (yellow was reserved for the secret/cut 8th special stage).

      Sonic 3D of all games had the modern Emerald Colours.

      Sonic Fighters went completely off the wall with 8 Emeralds but still managed to miss out blue amongst all that.

      Sonic R came from the same team as 3D and replaced the blue Emerald with orange (this would go on to serve as the basis for some incorrect Emerald toys from Jazwares years later).

      Leaving out the 8-bit games that are prone to colour limitations and other spinoff (and my laziness in looking them all up), these variations were all very common until SA1. However Battle portrayed all Emeralds as green and Chronicles got the Colours massively wrong. Though like other things (such as Tails' nose, Rouge's shoes and various other errors) the Emerald Colours were at least fixed for the Japanese release of Chronicles. The Dimps games were so consistent that the Emeralds were always collected in the same order too, until they adopted Sonic Team's order for games like Colours DS or copied the S2 order (kind of) with S4E2.

      I think that it's more likely they decided to make the Emeralds the colours of the rainbow + white than "the primary and secondary colours of light". Functionally that's virtually the same thing, but "magical items in the colours of the rainbow" isn't exactly an uncommon trope.

    5. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Correct! 

      RGB colors of light

      CMY colors of print

      gray as a mix of black and white, both additive and subtractive color theories. 

    6. A_W

      A_W

      @Blue Blood Are all of the differences between the Japanese and English versions of Chronicles documented somewhere? I was very curious about the Tails' nose thing, and I found something, but I'm not sure it's what you were referring to: a wallpaper where he has Sonic's nose type.

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  5. Its always something with this fan community huh. 

    1. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Just like with any fanbase.

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      And its for that reason that I choose not to associate with any fanbase at all anymore. 

      Too garbage for me. 

    3. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Well, you have your reasons.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      They're very good reasons if I do say so myself.

    5. Jovahexeon The Undyne
  6. Super Mario Bros. Z Episode 2 is out. 

    1. CrownSlayer’s Shadow

      CrownSlayer’s Shadow

      Didn’t think Alvin Earthworm would actually keep it going after the first episode of the reboot. Good news!

    2. CrownSlayer’s Shadow

      CrownSlayer’s Shadow

      Bro, HOLY SHIT! This is a hell of a reboot!

  7. So I decided to take that Myers Briggs test again after a fresh nap after that Status Update about it a few days back, and I don't know why I expected a different result.

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    1. CrownSlayer’s Shadow

      CrownSlayer’s Shadow

      I’m INTJ. No matter how many times I take it, it always comes out that way.

    2. Sonikko

      Sonikko

      it was intp the last time as well right?
      I find that the type can fluctuate with time as we grow up and evolve, but that takes years

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Think this is the third time I took it.

  8. >When every other 3D platformer mascot dies except Mario. 

    Sonic:

     

    1. JezMM

      JezMM

      I mean, if Sonic wants to start taking the 3D Platforming part of being a 3D Platformer seriously again next game, sure lol

  9. Just when Crash makes a comeback, now it seems like we'll never see him again.

    1. Sega DogTagz

      Sega DogTagz

      Man... Sonic's staying power is ridiculous. Really gotta admire that kind of eternal relevance.

    2. Chili Dawg

      Chili Dawg

      wait wha

    3. AWild No.1 washed up gamer
    4. Sega DogTagz

      Sega DogTagz

      The developer for Crash got caught up in the CoD development bubble. No guarantee they ever get out again.

  10. Somebody told me there's likely a good reason for Shadow's modern characterization, and its a double edged sword.

    From the ground up, he's supposed to be a foil for Sonic. That means his personality is largely dependent on Sonic's at the time, get it.

    1. Speedi

      Speedi

      I think it's more just that the higher ups at Sega think this is how people in the west interpret Shadow's personality.

    2. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Yeah. I don't think it's because he's supposed to be a foil for Sonic either. That's a bit optimistic, when battery judgement says that SEGA have just handled the series, its characters and its games poorly in general recently.

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I was more saying, there's a semblance of logic beyond just mismanagement.

      I firmly believe nobody wants to intentionally make something bad. Sega didn't wake up one day and were like "I'm gonna ruin this franchise."

      A lot of the bad decisions from this series are born from probably good but misguided intentions.

       

      With Shadow; he's extremely difficult to use, because he tends to become a black hole of a character. He's in a unique spot among Sonic characters because he's arguably just as important as Sonic and just as capable. But obviously that's only going to lead to him overshadowing Sonic as well.

       

      So they wanted to come up with a way of using him without him dominating the plot. Its not a bad idea in theory, the execution is just naff.

    4. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I don't think the theory is even correct though. 

    5. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Its a theory, I didn't say it was true.

    6. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Didn't say you did. You put it forward and all I'm saying is "I doubt it".

    7. Speedi

      Speedi

      I'd argue Shadow's japanese personality is better for not demanding screen time, though. If you make him into a character who goes out looking for trouble to prove his superiority then he's becoming a more proactive guy by nature. And Sonic has always been who tends to mind his own business until he's needed. 

      But ultimately, I don't really think it's a problem that Shadow gets more focus then Sonic. Sonic is just an inherently simpler character to write that starts each game without any baggage to speak of. Meanwhile Shadow has a full origin story and a three game long character arc to keep into consideration. Even in Forces, Shadow is the one responsible for "creating" Infinite despite having nothing else to do in the story.

    8. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Blue Blood Fair enough.

       

      @Speedi That's my point; Shadow has a lot baggage that needs consideration whenever he's in a gamer early, baggage that Sonic doesn't have. It means that writing around said baggage is difficult.

  11. I have no idea why, but whenever the Sonic Boom writers start patting themselves on the back for their work on the show, it really makes them come off as....what's the word...douchey?

    Like dude, you made a couple of funny episodes about a mascot, you didn't write some Shakespearean work, tone it down a little.

    Or maybe it's just me. 

    1. DanJ86

      DanJ86

      No, I agree with you.

      Can you imagine if everyone wanted constant praise for doing the job they are paid for? Only a select few truly deserve that in my book and it is those that save lives.

    2. StaticMania

      StaticMania

      I assume they went farther than "I like this thing I did"...because otherwise I'd wonder why this is a problem.

    3. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Yeah, I liked what little I saw of it and found it funny enough, but I don't get why they need to go so out of the way to show off their ego? From the very beginning, Freiberger was "promising" that this show's humor will be "smart", and "won't write down to it's audience". Sorry Bill, but Comedy is subjective, and there is no pleasing all of your audience. 

      I fully understand the viewpoints that the writers shown plenty of stuff en contraire, but I myself say there is such a thing as making your show too "smart". In fact, in the case of meta-humor being where the smart writing comes from, then that's hardly anything special at all when meta-humor's been becoming the norm around that time, so what then? There's no shame in taking pride in what you're writing, but these writers have twisted it into outright vanity. That their so content and insistent that they write the undisputedly funniest cartoons on earth, but guess what? They're wrong.

      I found what they made funny, but I go in to Boom fully knowing there's a hundred times funnier stuff out there. No matter how many fans I heard talk positively on it, I know there would still be plenty more who disapprove of it. But even with guilty pleasure garbage like Captain N or Sonic Underground, I've not seen this kind of "my way or highway" arrogance out of whoever wrote those shows. I cannot judge for certain how this line of thought affects my personal enjoyment out of Boom since I did not watch all of it, but I really don't approve of it from what I've read.

      This is why given the choice between humility and narcissism, I pick humility hands down. I always wanna try and improve myself no matter the praise I'd be given, and always wanna look up to others for inspiration. None of this putting up a sketchy artwork and calling it yet another undefeatable masterpiece or anything like that. Why order yourself a cold one just for putting out another kids show episode?

    4. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      It is douchey because they do it every time somebody praises their work. Like trust me I get it being proud of something you made and people still talk about it. But it’s like it’s always the same 5 jokes every other week. 
       

      Don’t get me wrong a lot of the guys who worked on this show was their first writing debut and we’re thought how to write for a tv show but it’s so annoying. You don’t see Ian Flynn, Evan Stanley and Cindy Robinson who have worked in the show brag about all their work. They’re pretty humble and know not to step in line. With the other guys it feels like it’s all they have.

    5. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      I said it last time this came up, but it's funny how my dumb video was totally on the mark about them lol. Just replace South Park Electric Cars with the Boom writers.

    6. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      Quote

      what's the word...douchey?

      Try overbearingly smug, overinflated egotistic preening.

  12. People need to learn the difference between a well written character and a likable character, because they aren't always the same.

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Indeed. 

      Lara Croft is very well written in the new Tomb Raider trilogy, with a clear arc, personality traits and consistent development. But she's fucking awful after the first game (which was basically all about beating her up), and makes me root for the bad guys. She's an incredibly self-entitled, unreasonable and selfish character that pushes me to want to side with the bad guys, who in SotTR are at least kind of sympathetic. 

      Yes, I'm still in Tomb Raider rant mode.

    2. Lord-Dreamerz

      Lord-Dreamerz

      @Blue Blood I find it interesting how even normally negative personality traits as you explained can be made into a fun character when executed different on another character. For example Eggman could be said to have a lot of those bad elements, but he is overall well liked as a character to the point there are enough fans out there who like him more then current Sonic in certain ways. But part of that is because characters with lots of negative traits tend to work far better as villains then supposed heroes even when on the gray side.

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      It depends on what the narrative is saying; if the game tries to paint a person who does blatantly reprehensible things as righteous or not morally grey, then its harder to root for them.

       

      Bad guys doing bad things isn't anything special.

    4. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Exactly. Lara is supposed to be the hero of the story and is very much on the side of good. But she's a bad good guy. Eggman is a good bad guy.

    5. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Blue Blood pretty much says it like it is. The story really doesn't feel like it works because it expects us to like new trilogy Lara, especially in the face of much more sympathetic characters.

      If she were someone we weren't supposed to like, then that would be a different story.

    6. Lord-Dreamerz

      Lord-Dreamerz

      Yeah that was my point. Making characters who are supposedly heroes or simply on the side of good act like villains or just heartless jerks in general rarely ever works well. Personally while I never hated her, but I also never was a fan of any main version of Lara Croft honestly.

    7. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      It CAN work, if the story acknowledges that said character is in fact an asshole and if their actions are at least justifiable in the face of a much worse villain.

      Shadow's a fucking dick, but his actions are pretty clearly painted as heroic and other characters call him out on his assholery when it gets really bad. Not a good person, but a good guy still.

    8. Lord-Dreamerz

      Lord-Dreamerz

      Yeah dark or anti-heroes are a thing which can work just fine if done correctly. But they can be a really hard balance to get working right, and for sure need the right creators behind it... half the time it just leads into unappealing characters.

    9. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      One of my favorite recent examples is Bakugo from My Hero Academia. Dude is a colossal asshole to the nth degree, but the story acknowledges that and never paints him as completely blameless as a character.

      Its what makes him compelling, but not necessarily likable. Some of my favorite characters are ones jackasses because of that.

    10. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Characters you that you "love to hate" or "hate to love" are effective. 

  13. I seriously need Sonic and/or Shadow to fight some type of eldritch god in the next game. 

    Please, I'm suffering withdrawal. 

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

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      Here's your eldritch god

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    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      .....You know what, screw it. 

    3. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      can they just do something cool in the next game

      please

    4. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      Sorry we’re bringing back the OC

    5. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      Eldritch god that lives beneath where it all began: Green Hill Zone.

       

       

      This is funnier the more I'm thinking about it.

    6. AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      I don't own art but here you go:

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    7. Cuz

      Cuz

      @Supah Berry & @AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      I'd take either of these! Seriously, like you have no idea how much I actually want a canon take on Supreme High Robotnik. 

      Just one game. Give him a superform you cowards!

    8. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      Sources for those arts so I can sleep tonight

       

       

  14. So Ian Flynn apparently knows who created the Chaos Emeralds, but can't disclose that information yet.

     

     

    1. Rabid-Coot

      Rabid-Coot

      There's not that many people that worked on the first Sonic game, shouldn't be hard to find out.

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Think this means lore-wise. 

    3. AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      AWild No.1 washed up gamer

      "You mean, the chaos emeralds????"

      Ian chuckled

    4. Speedi

      Speedi

      So basically this is either a teaser for a new story arc in the comics, the 30th game or Ian being weirdly vague for no reason as usual? 

    5. azoo

      azoo

      we will literally never hear about this just wanted to let you guys know 

    6. Jango

      Jango

      The echidna tribe from Angel Island, aint it?

    7. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Plot Twist: It's the Chao that made them, as proof of their oft overlooked intelligence. It's in the name, you know.

    8. Cosmos Rogue

      Cosmos Rogue

      So the Chaos Emeralds are actually the Chao's Emeralds?

    9. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      @Jango Dunno if you're serious or not, but what we do know about the Emeralds suggests that they predate the Earth sorry I mean Sonic's world. They're connected to Temples of Gaia in Unleashed, and Angel Island was originally part of a greater landmass not suspended in the sky.

    10. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      It's definitely not the echdna tribe to my knowledge, might be misremembering, but didn't they only discover about the Emeralds when Tikal met Chaos, and they attempted to seize them, leading to Chaos' anger exploding?

    11. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Exactly. 

      Although recent years have told us that SEGA really don't give a fuck about continuity when it comes to answering questions that we didn't need answers for in the first place. Two world, anyone? It wouldn't surprise me if the official word was that the Echidnas created them.

    12. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      I feel like stuff like this only comes up so Sega/Sonic Team can tie people's hands on other media nowadays. It's never gonna actually be addressed or matter. I wouldn't be surprised if there's notes/documentation on Sonic's family or something just to prevent the kind of stuff that happened with Archie.

      The series' lore isn't interesting enough anymore (especially when it's subject to change between games as it is) to dangle these kinds of carrots in front of people either.

    13. Milo

      Milo

      @Zaysho yeah, i was about to say, this news has the same energy of all of those cryptic teasers the sonic social media accounts put out over the past few years. those never lead to anything meaningful, and this is explicitly stated to have that purpose.

      absolute waste of time.

    14. charmsb

      charmsb

      https://www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/bll32o/sonic_the_hedgehogs_true_identity_images_evidence/

      I mean, yeah, we will probably never know or get that deep into lore. But I like to believe the ancient hedgehogs made them.

  15. You know looking back, I'm starting to think Tails and Eggman were Pontac and Graff's favorite characters; Eggman pretty much gets all of the best written dialogue, while Lost World is more or less about how much Sonic sucks when he doesn't listen to Tails. 

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      To our benefit (the later), and at our expense (the former)

    2. StaticMania

      StaticMania

      I would like to believe that as well...

    3. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      it's almost like they're two of the main characters or something

      although i imagine eggman's the kind of character who's just a lot of fun to write in general

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Yea, too bad that comes at the expense of the actual main character :V

  16. I will actually be kind of sad if Amy gets the shaft in the movie continuity. Think she's earned a spot on the big screen. 

    1. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      She'll get her time eventually.....when the time is right of course.

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Amy: "The fuck do you mean Knuckles and Shadow get in, but I don't!?" 

    3. DanJ86

      DanJ86

      I could image her appearing after the credits of 2 like Tails did originally. Having her appear alongside Metal Sonic would be amazing to me.

    4. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      When they add her I hope they do her right. I don’t want her to be shoe horned in just for fan service. 

    5. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      i think the format of "other-dimensional hedgehog comes to our world" might end up screwing her out of appearing. she's always been one of the most mundane characters in the series; it's one thing for them to cross paths when they at least exist in the same world, but it's hard to imagine how she could reasonably get involved unless she hitches a ride with someone else or things move back to sonic's home world.

    6. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Sadly, with Tom and all the Earth stuff still around to weigh the Sonic characters down, you can only add enough new characters to interact with the old cast, on top of balancing the focus each one gets, before it becomes too bloated with new characters in just one sequel. If there has to be more characters in this, they'll pick only one more, unless they risk rushing too much material at the numb-skulled casual audience all once, versus feeding a reasonable portion to them throughout each follow up. Twisted to hell and back as it may have been, the general statement made that "Sonic has too many characters" does hold validity.

      Yes I want to see Amy, yes I want to see Shadow, yes I fantasize seeing the Blaze Jet Vector Sally and Prof Pickles hit. But not everything has to be an Avengers movie, at least not when you're starting out. The fact is we're going from a chilled out Sonic vs Eggman feel from first to having Tails, and now Knuckles along for the ride, along with the likely prospect of showing more of Sonic's world and introducing the Chaos Emeralds- That's huge. Huge enough as it is next to the last movie. The fact that our first BTS reveal all but confirms this is Team Sonic, not the big four, all but seals Amy's fate in being thrown in the extras bin for me- that is if she'll be lucky to appear at all.

      It's inevitable Metal's gonna be in at this point, cause it's clear he'll have a clear purpose here, just as Tails and Knuckles do. What does Amy have to bring on top of everyone else versus the ever tried and true and totally dateless Damsel in Distress? The facts need to be faced: Unless it's Eggman, Tails, Knux or Shadow, if you don't know Sonic, they don't exist to you.

    7. Wraith

      Wraith

      it is always a huge stretch for amy to get involved and yet she always does somehow 

       

      If they want it to happen, it will

    8. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I'll agree with Deji and say that I don't want her in just for the sake of it either, and want her to have a story.

       

      If she has no story to tell, then I'm fine with her being left out.

    9. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      I believe the situation requires patience. The last thing we need is them shoehorning in too many characters at once, potentially ruining the film series.

      Right now, the setup is mainly Tails, Knuckles, and possibly Metal Sonic (or Shadow if he ends up as a clone created from Sonic's quill).

      I could see her get hinted at in a post credits scene though for a sequel. 

  17. *spoiler*

     

     

     

     

     

    Guess Team Sonic will be in the sequel. 

  18. It finally happened...a mainstream media website has finally acknowledged the damage the Internet and meme culture in general have done to Shadow's personality in recent years. Its too little, too late, but I feel vindicated now...

    https://www.cbr.com/sonic-hedgehog-shadow-history/

    1. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      So when are we going to do one for Knuckles?

    2. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      why blame memes when shadow's been a disaster since his own game though

    3. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      This article seems to treat Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) as a good depiction before the memes supposedly ruined him, which, ehhhh, I mean...

      It does acknowledge that the memes stem from moments in that game, but I kinda feel like that's the point. His own official appearances got the "edgy" ball rolling before any fans did.

    4. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Was Shadow any good in '06? Because yeah, he's been on a downward spiral since 2005, as and when he's even appeared. 

    5. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Diogenes That's the point, the memes started coming in full force since his game and Sega started to embrace them to alleviate the shit they were getting. 

      @Blue Blood 06 is generally seen as the last time he was a good character as far as fandom goes sooo.

       

      @Dr. Mechano His game is when the downward spiral started, not that it was the last time he was good. 

    6. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      why assume they're embracing the memes rather than embracing the take on the character that caused them in the first place? sonic team made "ow the edge" all on their own, the memes only pointed and laughed at it.

    7. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Because this take on the character wasn't solidified into a few years later after the fact. As I mentioned, 06 is generally seen the last great depiction of the character and this new, modern take on him didn't really start becoming prominent until the 2010's, when the memes were solidified. 

    8. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Pity the same mainstream audience that website "targets" will just shoo it off and throw it the "rotten hot takes" bin long before giving it a trial. And what percentage of people aquainted with Sonic back its prime even heard of Shadow anyhow?

      @Blue Blood

      From what I've heard, has the superior story of the three, and is arguably his finest roles in the games next to SA2 itself. From outside the fandom though, he's not discuss to nearly the degree of his own game, the few things of note for getting an evil clone whose even edgier, and roundhousing Silver.

    9. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      Quote

      Because this take on the character wasn't solidified into a few years later after the fact. As I mentioned, 06 is generally seen the last great depiction of the character and this new, modern take on him didn't really start becoming prominent until the 2010's, when the memes were solidified. 

      shadow also didn't really do much in the games between '06 and this "new" direction to define who he was after ShtH, and '06 is a game that both wrote itself out of existence in canon and that everybody wishes it could've done the same to itself irl. after they thoroughly embarrassed themselves and put shadow on the backburner for a while, doesn't it make at least as much sense that they'd go back to their other previous takes on the character when they brought him back to the forefront? i just don't see reason to conclude that memes, of all things, had some major influence on the character, when nothing he's been recently is more embarrassing than what sonic team did themselves with ShtH.

    10. Dr. Mechano

      Dr. Mechano

      @Kuzu

      I wouldn't call 06 a "great" depiction of Shadow, just (compared to his own game) an inoffensive one.

      Though I think you could still argue 06's direction for the character is half-baked and underdeveloped. Shadow joining up with GUN, the organization that killed Maria and spurred his initial hatred of humanity in the first place, isn't impossible to pull off if it's explained well and handled with any sort of care - but it wasn't.

    11. Jack-al

      Jack-al

      Besides the hot topic of recent writing for Shadow, I want to point out how cool is that a huge comic book site like that is making articles for IDW Sonic!

    12. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Diogenes Why would you deliberately go back to what many considered the lowest point in the character's career though?

      @Dr. Mechano Even if I did agree with that, its hardly a take that's common. Go on any social media site and ask about Shadow's 06 depiction and they're generally positive about it.

      Nobody outside of his fanbase really cares cuz 06, but that's besides the point.

  19. Being a Youtuber focused on one specific series is probably the most miserable experience ever. 

    I don't understand how you can make an entire channel dedicated to one specific series and think you're gonna support yourself off that, it makes no sense. 

    Forget Sonictubers, Poketubers are just as bad. Shofu said it best, if you're focused on just one thing, you're not gonna get very far, and he's somebody who started as a Poketuber before just focusing on anything that caught his interest.

     

    BRANCH OUT DAMMIT, stop limiting yourself to one thing. 

    1. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I know nothing about YT (nor really want to) and while I agree with what you're saying, I don't think it's always quite that simple.

      Even from a viewer's perspective, I can't tell you how many channels I've unsubscribed from due to them no longer covering the content I cared about. I'd imagine that a lot of YTers rather not see their numbers drop drastically when they're just finding success like that.

      That being said, the most successful YTers I've seen are those that can tackle a wide range of topics and just generally have the personality to back it up.

      Though at the same time, I think it's also really up to viewers to be able to filter out the content they want or don't want. If a channel doesn't meet your needs there's no real need to obsess over them. The "Not Interested" button is your friend.

    2. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      It really is a 'depends on the situation' kind of deal.

      If I ever do videos, it'd be video essays for myself only without the strings of being a creator.

    3. JezMM

      JezMM

      I think you can focus on a specialist subject, but you need to be creative in your own right as well if you want to have a constant output, or build up a level of quality and trust with your audience that allows you to only make content when you deem it worthy of being made, rather than just for the sake of it.

    4. Rabbitearsblog

      Rabbitearsblog

      That's why when I made my Youtube channel, I made it into a movie or TV show reviewing channel where I can review any kind of movie or TV series that's being released at the moment or has caught my interest.  Therefore, I will always have content on my channel because there will always be a new movie or TV series coming out every year that I can talk about on my channel.  The problem sometimes with doing a channel based on one franchise is that you don't know if the franchise is going to keep going or if there's any news regarding the franchise being released.

      But then again, it ultimately comes down to what your audience wants and what you want to do with your channel.

    5. Teoskaven

      Teoskaven

      Haven't checked in a long while on Jwittz, how is he doing?

    6. Wraith

      Wraith

      If you are going to pick one franchise, it needs to be something with consistent content to cover. Sonic just doesn't release frequently to do that unless you actually dedicate yourself to covering stuff like the comics and the mobile game

    7. Azure Blue Tori

      Azure Blue Tori

      @JezMM Yeah, I'll only watch a channel full of TV episode long videos about a specific subject if the information is well researched and either not easily searchable online or presented in a way that ties information from various sources in an engaging, memorable way. Cybershell posts rarely, but when he does, he generally knows what he's talking about in a way that distinguishes him from the glut of other Sonic commentators. False Swipe Gaming is also interesting because he often brings up unexpected uses for various Pokemon, but the nature of competitive Pokemon means even his videos get repetitive after a while.

    8. Crow the BOOLET

      Crow the BOOLET

      I'd honestly hate myself if I only focused on one thing. I have a ton of interests and I like to talk about them all.

    9. Dejimon11

      Dejimon11

      @Your Vest Friend it’s more in lines of the topic at hand. Like doing video essays is cool but soley focusing on 1 topic all the time is bad. 

    10. Piko

      Piko

      YouTube is a fickle career path as it is; it’s really hard to make it big and when you do, you gotta do whatever you can to maintain viewership. I can’t imagine what it’s like when you focus on one franchise.

      What happens if the franchise starts losing popularity? If it hasn’t had new content or updates in a while? If it ends altogether? Do you keep covering that franchise and get significantly less views, or do you move onto a new franchise and risk losing the fans who subscribed for content on the franchise you’re not covering anymore?

    11. Rabbitearsblog

      Rabbitearsblog

      @piko  That's the problem with focusing your YouTube channel on just one franchise.  You just don't know when that franchise is going out of style or if there's any content coming out of that franchise.  That's why I don't make YouTube my career path because making money off of YouTube requires you to post up videos frequently and sometimes you can't just do that.

  20. I don't care much for either the Deadly Six or Infinite. But I feel like the latter fits into the aesthetic of the series better.

    There's just...nothing to care about with the Deadly Six unless you just really want more villains no matter what.

    There's a story with Infinite; a very badly told one, but its there. There's nothing to the Six, they're just boss fodder for the sake of a video game boss fight 

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      The Deadly Six could almost all do with redesigns. Zazz and Zeena are fine, the rest are not. I've no desire to see the Zeti ever again and don't have any reason to think that they'd ever get redesigned, but I'd rather see more of Zavok than Infinite. And all of them together could get a second wind, I guess? I dunno. Something something "more potential" blah blah.

      Infinite served his purpose as a one-off villain, who's origins couldn't even be kept consistent in the one hand he's been in. Was he created by Eggman, or was he part of a band of never-seen mercenaries that Eggman hired? Heck, why would Eggman give the Phantom Ruby to Infinite instead of use it himself? I honestly think that a Infinite's story is messy and full of holes that it's best swept under the carpet and forgotten about. I don't like his character type at all.

    2. Soniman

      Soniman

      I just find it very Odd how the Fandom collectively loathes these characters for...idk being generic? At least it gives some variety in enemies I guess.

      Just bring back Nack 

    3. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      i still feel the opposite. there's not much to the d6, sure, but a bunch of weird troublemaking assholes isn't the worst thing for a series to have on hand. infinite, on the other hand, is just such a disaster of a character, no less shallow than the d6 but given an unearned sense of gravitas and more details that don't actually add anything of value.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      The Sonic series has always tried to give its characters more gravitas and importance, as far back as Tails in the second game; does it always stick the landing when it tries that? No. But there's an attempt at trying to make these characters into more than generic video game props. 

      Unless you just really cannot stand the execution of how the series does things, I don't see how having a bunch of generic video game bosses is somehow superior. It's "safer", but its also way more boring and that's just not how Sonic does things.

      The Deadly Six just fly right into the face of how characters have been handled, yet they keep pushing them in the series without really fixing that. 

       

      At least take Blue Blood's suggestion and give them a redesign, and a story. SOMETHING to make me care about them. 

      I'd rather they try and fail to get you to care about a character than just...not even trying to begin with. 

    5. Diogenes

      Diogenes

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      The Sonic series has always tried to give its characters more gravitas and importance, as far back as Tails in the second game; does it always stick the landing when it tries that? No. But there's an attempt at trying to make these characters into more than generic video game props. 

      And I'm not saying they shouldn't, but they have to actually write and portray the character in a way that the audience buys into it, or it backfires. forces is like if someone wrote fanfiction and put their shitty oc in it just expecting everyone to be as enamored with them as they are; despite the volume of attention given to infinite nothing about it makes me give a shit, he's just an overpowered edgelord with a backstory that barely makes sense, and the more they tried to push him as a big deal the less i cared because it was all just smoke and mirrors. the d6 at least are presented as more in line with how they actually are, just a bunch of asshole monsters, unpretentious wacky bad guys; they, for the most part, deliver on what they promise.

      and i'm not saying the d6 are the way every sonic character should be handled, just that it's okay for not everything to be hyped up as the hottest shit, that you can have your nack the weasels and your babylon rogues and your rough and tumbles and they can be important and worthwhile characters, and that's better than a character who's all hype and no substance no matter how much you want the hype to be real.

    6. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Diogenes They were very blatantly trying to hype up the Deadly Six as the next thing, there's literally no way you can deny that. They're all over the advertising of Lost World, they're on the front of the box art, and while it's limited to Zavok, keep showing up in subsequent media. 

      They're not just some secondary characters who just existed, Sega tried very hard to turn them into a new big threat on par with Eggman, but never bothered to give them a story worth giving a shit. 

      They're even more egregious than Infinite, because there's not even an attempt. I already admitted several times that Infinite was botched as all hell, but we at least know how he came into existence and what his motivations are. 

      The Deadly Six don't even have THAT. We don't know why they're evil, or what their background even is. If that's not a big deal to you fine, but they're not just some secondary background characters that you can just ignore like  the Chaotix or Cream. Sega very clearly wants us to care about them, otherwise they wouldn't keep pushing them as they have been doing. 

       

      Zavok was in Team Sonic Racing, while Cream, Espio, and Charmy were not. That should tell you right there where Sega's priorities are. They're trying to push him as a major figure, but haven't addressed the fundamental problem with him. 

      People pretty clearly care about Infinite because he has an actual story surrounding him, otherwise they wouldn't be asking for him to make a return. 

    7. Diogenes

      Diogenes

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      They were very blatantly trying to hype up the Deadly Six as the next thing, there's literally no way you can deny that. They're all over the advertising of Lost World, they're on the front of the box art, and while it's limited to Zavok, keep showing up in subsequent media. 

      they were a bit overhyped in the advertising but in the game itself they're simply not presented in the same way as infinite or mephiles or black doom or...whoever. lost world doesn't go into their backstory or deep into their motivations because they're not really the point. And I still don't think infinite's conflicting and hole-riddled origins or his absolute paper-thin motivation do anything to put him above them. hell the zeti taking over eggman's shit as revenge is already a better, clearer motivation than infinite's "i got beat up so now i'm gonna be extra edgy" anyway.

      Quote

      Zavok was in Team Sonic Racing, while Cream, Espio, and Charmy were not. That should tell you right there where Sega's priorities are. They're trying to push him as a major figure, but haven't addressed the fundamental problem with him. 

      They needed another villain for the villain team, meanwhile they had an overabundance of heroes for the hero teams. I think you're overestimating how much importance they've given him.

      Quote

      People pretty clearly care about Infinite because he has an actual story surrounding him, otherwise they wouldn't be asking for him to make a return. 

      sounds like a way to get more garbage

    8. Soniman

      Soniman

      For the record we don't know the "Why" for any major Sonic villians reasons for being evil. Eggman, Doom, Mephilies, yes even Infinite who was always evil even before becoming what he is so it's really not a big deal 

    9. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Diogenes If you don't agree fine, I'm just making a point; you acknowledge that people care more about Infinite than they do the Deadly Six in spite of their issues. 

      You should give a bit more thought on why that's the case beyond "lol Sonic fans have shit taste" to justify opinions that don't align with yours. 

    10. Jack-al

      Jack-al

      Doom sucks as much as Infinite, they are such depressing villains IMO. There is a bit more energy to the six, despite them being lazy assholes too. The fact that they six, is both a great thing, because they are a team and this aspect should be an advantage, but six is too much, there will never be enough screentime to do them justice.

      Edit: And yeah, no need to explain "why they are evil", Zavok is a certified villainous strategist, Zazz is a psycho, Zeena is a queen-wannabe, Master Zik is fucking arrogant, Zomom is just dumb and selfish, Zor is sadistic. They have awful personalities. A minimal backstory would be nice though, without explaining the evil part, that is unnecessary, as is the fact that they "have to be" Eggman's minions.

    11. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      Quote

      If you don't agree fine, I'm just making a point; you acknowledge that people care more about Infinite than they do the Deadly Six in spite of their issues. 

      You should give a bit more thought on why that's the case beyond "lol Sonic fans have shit taste" to justify opinions that don't align with yours. 

      alright, they have bad taste and they're furries

    12. Wraith

      Wraith

      ^As an Infinite fan I can confirm this

  21. You know, for the most part, it doesn't seem like people are actually upset about Sonic Colors getting a remaster.

    But rather, why did they decide to remaster just ONE game as opposed to all of the games on the 7th Generation. 

    Generations is on PC, so that's excusable, but Unleashed isn't...

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      colors is simple and relatively uncontroversial. unleashed has the werehog.

    2. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      Yeah, kinda wished it was a Boost Trilogy remaster (with all DLC).

    3. Rabbitearsblog

      Rabbitearsblog

      I also wonder why they didn't remaster more than just one game.  I would have loved it if they also remastered Sonic Generations as well.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Diogenes And Sega re-released Banana Blitz, so that excuse doesn't hold water. 

      It's going to be the only game that isn't available in any way currently unless you own the original hardware. That sticks out no matter how you feel about Unleashed. 

    5. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      The more I think about it the more annoyed I am at how barebones this decision seems to be. Like bloody hell, Colors getting an HD port is good but, in a vacuum, it’s depressing af. Just get as many games as you can available on current hardware. Get the adventure games and heroes on these storefronts. Pack Unleashed, Colors, and Gens into one package and get them back out there. Hell, most of the classic games aren’t even widely available these days on anything other than PC (or most other of these fucking games too).

      This heel turn they’ve done against re-releasing these games over the last decade is one of the many, many reasons that honestly have me pretty much tuned out to this franchise’s future. If they can’t even be bothered to keep up with titles that fans have shown, time and time again, a clear demand for, then what hope is there for their next main release?

      They can’t even do the bare fucking minimum anymore.

    6. JezMM

      JezMM

      I mean... the most likely answer is they didn't want to do three times as much work.  Remastering a game is not necessarily as straightforward as you might think under the hood.

    7. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      You know the fact that they can't be bothered to put in the extra amount of work for their flagship franchise is so fucking annoying. Nintendo are shit too, but they at least released THREE games. 

      Sega take laziness and cutting corners to new levels and it really just makes me not want to fuck with this franchise anymore because of it.

    8. JezMM

      JezMM

      Tbh, Forces has made it clear that Sonic Team isn't particularly good at what they do... I'd kinda rather they focus on one good port than stretch themselves thin.  Though I am concerned that if Unleashed isn't getting re-released as part of a boost trilogy collection, it probably isn't getting re-released at all.

    9. Wraith

      Wraith

      Yeah the best way to move Unleashed would have been to stuff it in the trunk of a car Colors and Gens were driving. I think it'd still do well enough on it's own to justify releasing, but why not do all 3? It would be a great offer and maybe it'd offset them all being a little on the short side.

    10. Miles Storzillo

      Miles Storzillo

      Remastering Colors is especially beyond confusing because, as we all know, hindsight was not kind to this game over the years.  Whereas hindsight seems like best buddies with Unleashed.  And this is sad since, assuming they would add new stuff, I’d immediately get a remaster of Unleashed over the game that gave the worst story in the franchise any time of the year.

    11. JezMM

      JezMM

      ^ All of that would be true if we're only looking at the opinions of the hardcore fanbase (which make up an extremely small portion of Sonic's overall audience), but Colours is still fondly remembered by the gaming community as a whole.

    12. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Why did y'all respond to an update that's a week old...

  22. I'm expecting the bare minimum in this Colors remaster, and I feel like people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they expect tons of content.

    I'm almost positive Sega are expecting the general goodwill for Colors will carry it and completely ignore the fact that it's not 2010.

    1. Milo

      Milo

      Agreed on both counts.

    2. TheOcelot

      TheOcelot

      We'll be lucky to get 1080p & 60fps.

    3. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      Quote

      I'm almost positive Sega are expecting the general goodwill for Colors will carry it and completely ignore the fact that it's not 2010.

      They've been living off of that goodwill for ten years with diminishing returns to be fair.

  23. If nothing else, a Colors remaster is a good way for me to reevaluate my opinion about the game and see if I was being too hard on it in recent years. It's been quite a while since I touched it tbh. 

    1. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      Doesn't hurt to pull out the ol Wii. I say that the game is actually really really great, but has some really blocky platforming sometimes, and also recycles a lot of content to pad out the game.

  24. My only hope is that people realize that Colors is mid as fuck and jjst move on.

     

    The Sonic climate of 2021 is very different from the Sonic climate of 2010.

    1. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      >Sonic fans
      >move on

      lol

    2. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Just let people enjoy the game as they please.

    3. Kuzu
    4. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Then you have become the very thing that you swore to destroy.

    5. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I REJECT MY HUMANITY, JOVA!!!!

       

       

    6. Jovahexeon The Undyne

      Jovahexeon The Undyne

      KUZUUUUUUUUU!!!!

  25. RIP to Unleashed fans...

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