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  1. This month is giving me a migraine...

  2. I can't help but feel Forces would have been far better served if it was about Sonic, Shadow, and Infinite but that's just me.

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      forces would've been better if it bothered to be about anything, instead of just being a pile of half-formed ideas

    2. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      Shadow's role in Forces bugs me to know end. In the prequel episode, he's the reason that Infinite had his breakdown and chose to become the super villain that he is throughout the rest of the game. Shadow then proceeds to disappear for half of the events of Forces, with nobody actually questioning where he is is why he's sided with Eggman. You could infer that Shadow was in Infinite's virtual reality for six months, but that's ambiguous at best. And let's ignore the fact that in Episode Shadow, the city is already destroyed and Infinite creates a sandy Green Hill illusion. Apparently Shadow left such a big impact on Infinite that not only led to him becoming a super villain, but also led to him creating countless Shadow clones for his army.

      But Infinite and Shadow don't have any interactions outside of Episode Shadow. Despite Shadow being Infinite's trigger, Infinite suddenly turns all his attentions to Sonic. And Shadow hardly bats an eyelid either. Infinite is such a boring character and the only time we get any semblance of personality from him is in Episode Shadow.

    3. Soniman

      Soniman

      I still can't believe after all the hype they gave Infinite they just unpersoned him after the game. What a waste of everyone's time that character 

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Blue Blood All of this is exactly why I made this post; the entire sequence of events hinders on Sonic, Shadow, and Infinite but none of that ever gets elaborated on while they force some narrative with the Avatar and Classic Sonic remains an afterthought.

      Had the game been about Infinite's descent to madness against Sonic and Shadow, the main two people he's antagonistic towards.

  3. I can't even breathe right now

     

    1. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Wouldn’t the moment you come into the world be considered a birthday?

  4. You know, I think what bothers me most about Tails nowadays is that there's no pay off to his presence anymore. Before, I could kinda get behind the kid struggling to keep up with Sonic while doing his best in his own way. Now he's just kinda...there and doesn't do anything. 

    I don't mind him not being much of a fighter, but there's no real...role he plays I guess? 

    1. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      What do you mean? His role is give Sonic someone to talk to. Someone to save when we need that plot. Someone to explain the plot. Someone to give false conflict like in Lost World. Someone to share bad jokes with. Someone to make other villains or heroes look good at his expense. That's plenty right?

    2. Ellipsis-Ultima

      Ellipsis-Ultima

      Someone to be a friend to

  5. It kinda bothers me how the more vocal parts of the Smash community have turned on Fire Emblem because of Byleth. Why is it so hard to just...play the game and enjoy it?

    1. Perkilator

      Perkilator

      Now that I think about it…how do you think the Smash community would feel about Claude being the TH rep instead of Byleth? I know I’d be less disappointed about the DLC placement and more excited over a completely unique fighter.

    2. TCB

      TCB

      I wonder how the Japanese Smash fanbase sees this addition 

    3. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I mean tbh, I'm sort of getting sick of this whole narrative surrounding, well, anything Nintendo that people aren't allowed to be upset with announcements.

      Like yes, the threats against Sakurai are completely uncalled for but that should go without fucking saying. It shouldn't be the main argument/ knee jerk reaction to people when they voice general disappointment.

      We're seeing a lot more backlash with this recent fighter because I believe the general consensus is that FE really shouldn't have this many reps. If you're excited that Byleth made it in then more power to you honestly. I went through a similar harping session back with 4 when Dark Pit made it in so I genuinely do get what some FE fans are going through atm. It's not fun when a character you like is getting shit on by the majority. Though, at the same time, lets not act like people voicing concerns don't have anything to stand on or should just stay quiet.

      At the end of the day, there's always some bias coming out anyway no matter what side you're on in these cases.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I understand people have biases, and I understand that people aren't obligated to like any new addition to the game.

      But I kinda don't like how Smash Bros. has become this bastion of hype; that if things "aren't hype", people don't bother with it. It's gotten to the point where people have an issue with a NINTENDO character being put into a game about...nintendo characters instead of some other third party franchise. 

      No, people do not have to like every single character and people are free to voice their concerns...but at the end of the day, nothing about this character's inclusion I feel warrants the reactions I've been seeing. It would have been so much easier to just be "oh well" and kept it moving...

       

      We've gotten to the point when franchises like Pokemon or FE can't even add characters without being accused "commercialism" or "Favoritism" even if they are Nintendo franchises themselves. 

    5. Sean

      Sean

      It's pretty dumb when they ask us to pay for a fighter pass without telling us who the characters are, and suggesting to us that they will all be from brand new series not currently represented by Smash (and btw the "actually they meant new FIGHTERS" rhetoric doesn't work here considering Smult already includes everyone from past games). So the people who bought the pass thinking that everything will be new, as we were told, only to find that the last one is yet another fucking Fire Emblem character who has at least seven other reps, are probably going to feel a little swindled.

      Goes for every single game that does season passes without telling players what the contents will be, not just Smash. I think the practice is extremely bad and I wish companies would stop doing it.

    6. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Season Passes are kind of a grey area in general; because if you reveal everything all at once, then there's no more surprise to entice customers to actually buy it. It's a very questionable business practice, but I do understand that Nintendo has to make money somehow to sustain itself, and many other companies as well. 

    7. Sean

      Sean

      My problem with Byleth isn't even just that it's another FE character in a season pass full of nothing but third parties (if they had to sell us another FE I'd rather it be a separate purchase like Piranha Plant), but also that there are so many characters from 3H that would have been way more unique and interesting. Smash is a game that prides itself on how unpredictable its reveals and fanservice can be; Byleth is the most boring, predictable choice you could have pulled from that game.

      Also, I don't think Smash picking a single house lord as its 3H rep would be anymore problematic than picking Incineroar as its sole SM character, so it's also weird to me seeing people say that they couldn't have gone with just Claude or Edelgard for that reason.

    8. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Also note how every character trailer before at least had some buildup before actually revealing who the character is, except maybe Isabelle, Terry at least build up to which Fatal Fury charcter would be picked.

       

      Byleth in comparison instantly comes up with absolutily no bulidup, and thus no fanfare. Despite Sakurai hyping up how you can figure out who he is pretty quckly in the stream, the execution ended up making me dread that statement rather than hype me up now.

    9. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Most of the characters from their series represent the game they're from; so Byleth does make the most sense, given we had Robin, and Corrin in the past. At the very least, they could have added the three Lords along with Byleth to alleviate it; we got Chrom and Lucina. No reason we couldn't have got Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude in addition to Byleth. 

    10. Wraith

      Wraith

      Most of the fire emblem reps reuse so many mechanics and animations from one another that I actually consider it less indulgent than the band of entirely unique Pokemon fighters.I understand if casual players don't feel that way just looking at the CSS at a glance but Most people in the online Smash fandom agree that there aren't actually six Zelda characters being represented due to the abundant number of clones but Fire Emblem never gets this consideration when it's on the hot seat.

    11. Soniman

      Soniman

      I feel like buying the fighters pass  is up to the purchaser and putting enough faith in the developers that they'll have characters you find appealing in every pack. It's really no harm to just wait and buy the character passes one at a time instead Imo, which is what I did. 

    12. Nina Cortex Jovahexeon

      Nina Cortex Jovahexeon

      This is one of those cases where the narrative that people were mad, just cause FE is incorrect. 

      Byleth was just very poorly timed and really did not fit in with the pass given how it was advertised. 

    13. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      Byleth's just boring. I don't really care about the outside factors as much, though the build-up from something as random as Joker, to big surprises with Hero, Banjo and Terry to... another FE avatar really did make this reveal a letdown (doesn't exactly help with the reasoning they initially gave for Rex and Pyra or Springman not making it and not even being considered for DLC)--and I didn't even purchase the pass.

      Like I said before, if we were gonna get a new FE rep on this pass anyway, I just wish it wasn't something so boring and safe and that they broke the mold on how people perceive the series as it appears in Smash. The spirits in Ultimate and the trophies in past games show such a huge variety of cool characters that an avatar that can use everyone's weapons is a boring creative choice versus using a house lord. No, I'm not a game developer, no, I don't answer to shareholders, no, I'm not designing things under a deadline, but as a consumer I just want to see something interesting that will win me over if I'm not already a fan.

  6. Oh man, Kakarot is so charming.

    Spoiler

    Gohan training with Vegeta is something I always wanted to see, and they actually did it. The madlads, I love it

     

  7. It's kinda sad how Amy's character as a whole was largely disliked, but now that Sega have downplayed her defining trait, she's largely just kinda boring now. 

     

    1. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I'm not going to say that her current character is perfect but tbh, this was the logical step forward that they should've taken with her after SA1 imo.

      I don't think that trait of hers should be as muted as it is now, but I still do like how 80% of her dialogue in everything that she's in isn't some pass at Sonic anymore. It's just another area where I hope improvement comes if/ when Sega actually starts giving two shits about their characters.

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I mean, its kinda 50/50; I largely didn't care for her prior characterization, but that's who she was for the most part and she had her fans. But now she's just...kinda there. 

      At least before she kinda warranted a reaction from Sonic, but now she just doesn't even register on his radar anymore. 

    3. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Tbf that's most of the cast with him as far as the games are concerned.

      As for the comics, yeah I won't really argue that but I guess it's more of personal taste for me. Again, I think that side of her should come out a bit more than it does now, but just not anywhere near where it was before if that makes any sense.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I actually liked her in issue 2 because it did a good job of showing her as affectionate for Sonic, but she was still able to pull her weight when it came down to it. We largely haven't gotten anything like that since...which yea, I get because the current plot just doesn't allow for it. 

      That's why I hope Flynn focuses on smaller, character-focused conflicts after the Zombot arc so the cast can largely be fleshed out. Right now, they're just a bunch of a archetypes running around in a larger plot. 

    5. Soniman

      Soniman

      I disagree whole-heartedly 

    6. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I mean, what's actually interesting about her now then?

    7. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      I would've rather SEGA built on Amy's other traits instead of playing her safe. It's better that she's not obsessive over Sonic now, but I'd rather it become an innocent schoolgirl crush than the nothing it is now.

      Amy has other traits too, as she's shown herself to be resourceful. If she wants something or to be somewhere, Amy will find a way. And she’s the heart of any team, as Amy has played emotional and morality support for more than a few characters. All this with a young mind; she’s hardly mature at her age.

      That’s my view on Amy, at least.

    8. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      I wouldn't say kinda boring, I'd say super boring. Almost if not equivalent to mid 2000's Tails boring.

    9. Wraith

      Wraith

      I think people exaggerate how much they downplayed her. They just actually show her doing things besides chasing tail now

    10. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Well, if we look at post 06; she's a minor character in Unleashed, only cameos in the DS version of Colors, and once again a minor character in Generations, Lost World, and Forces.

       

      Boom is her most prominent role to date, and she's basically a different character there for the most part in a similar vein to Knuckles. She's a good character there mind you, but vastly different from her main counterpart.

  8. And just like Corrin before, everyone will just pretend like the male version doesn't exist.

     

    So I hope ya'll like seeing Fem Byleth because you'll be seeing her a lot.

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      can i pretend neither exists

    2. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      @Diogenes Depends if you bought the Fighter Pass or not 

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Did you buy the fighter pass?

    4. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      sadly yes

    5. Blue Blood
    6. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I'm sorry

  9. I played and like Three Houses, so I'm pretty fine with this. RIP to everyone else tho.

    1. Soniman

      Soniman

      Edelgard did nothing wrong 

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      She did a lot of wrong things, but so did everyone else so it evens out.

    3. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I think you must surely understand why people are disappointed though? Playing and liking Three Houses doesn't mean that you're not going to disappointed that Byleth was the last fighter the DLC. At least there's are more fighters to come, because this would have been a very dull note to end on.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Oh I know why, this was a pretty safe pick after all of the unexpected choices prior. And it was deliberate too otherwise Sakurai wouldn't have put that disclaimer beforehand.

       

      Its just that I never had the large expectations everyone else had to begin with, Byleth looks fine. So I'm just like "neat, new fighter". There's really no reason for me to be upset.

  10. Sakurai knew what the fuck he was doing lol. Dude hold this L if you bought the pass. I respect it.

  11. There's a hint of irony that one of truest takes about Sonic comes from /v/ of all places lmao. And it's a post about irony no less.

     

    1. Soniman

      Soniman

      There's something funny about trashing Avengers as low brow entertainment while praising SA2 as high art 

    2. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      - Only quoting the Japanese script

       

       

       

       

      OK WeeaBoomer 

    3. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      being serious is cringe, telling jokes is cringe, everything's cringe

      i just can't take sonic completely, unironically seriously. this isn't "irony poisoning" or anything, it's that the nature of the series works against it. it's a goofy premise; a super cool blue hedgehog fighting a fat mad scientist and his robot animals, and they can't escape that by just throwing soldiers and sad music and character deaths into the mix. the series is always going to be better off trying to be honest about its absurdity instead of flinching away from it.

      it shouldn't be all jokes all the time but it shouldn't be all serious all the time either. we've seen the worst of both extremes and things aren't going to be fixed just by swinging the needle all the way back to that side.

    4. Wraith

      Wraith

      I'd argue that SA1-2 is it being honest about it's inherent absurdity and the newer games are them shying away from it.

    5. Miragnarok

      Miragnarok

      Sometimes it tries too hard to embrace it, sometimes too hard to shy away; find a middleground.

    6. Soniman

      Soniman

      We want equality but when Sonic Forces does both yall shun it 

    7. Wraith

      Wraith

      Sonic forces is refreshingly honest, it was nice to get past the "is it okay if there is no plot and they just tell jokes?" discussion and just start cutting into how dumb the story is like the old days

    8. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I feel with the Adventure games, they knew that they were absurd but gave certain moments the gravitas it needed.

      Nothing has any gravitas anymore, because everyone just assumed any time Sonic was serious, it sucked and it should never do that again.

       

      So we just have this black hole of nothingness. But baldy mcnosehair I guess. 

    9. Soniman

      Soniman

      I don't really see any self awareness with SA2 if I'm being honest. Sa1 Kinda when the characters gave side glances when other characters said something dumb but SA2 kinda plays tropes straight and the stupidity of its scenarios aren't really acknowledged in universe 

    10. Wraith

      Wraith

      the stupidity of the scenario doesn't need to be acknowledged. i already know this shit is dumb. why do i need the game to tell me? what does them pointing it out do aside from nod to people who aren't into it? thats just insecurity.

    11. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      If you aren't into the story and find it stupid, you can just press the skip button and let the people who do enjoy it have their fun.

      But I forgot, we gotta farm those memes for clout.

    12. Soniman

      Soniman

      I must have read things wrong because I thought you were trying to argue SA2 WAS being self aware in its story which is what I was saying. My fault for getting it mixed up 

    13. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Forces is, imo, the best story to have come out of the last decade simply due to it just so happening to care about its plot every now and then. Tbh, this simply just speaks to how terrible the stories overall have been since the turn of the last decade when Sega became too chickenshit to actually do anything with the characters and plots.

      The more time that passes, the more looking back to that late 00s time period really begins to sting a bit. With Unleashed and BK, you could honestly see them start to discover some form of balance with it all. They were by no means perfect, but they really were hitting on something that hadn't been there since the Adventure days. Telling stories with plots that meant something all while having a mixture of elements and tones across the emotional spectrum. There was a sense of sincerity with it all.

      But then they just threw it all out the window with Free Riders and Colors because of the emerging nonsensical opinion that "this series can only be simple jokes because shadow and 06 were things that did indeed happened".

    14. Wraith

      Wraith

      Honesty was the word used so I was saying I consider how the SA games carry themselves to be honesty. Self awareness is a different quality that imo isn't all that healthy for a work to have aside from small doses

    15. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Depends on the work itself; self awareness is mainly effective in works that are already comedic to begin with. When its applied to genres that are supposed to be serious, like Action-adventure, it loses its appeal.

      There's nothing wrong with a joke here and there about things, but it destroys the suspension of disbelief when your setting constantly lampshades itself. The immersion is lost and the investment is lost.

    16. azoo

      azoo

      sa2 is absolutely self aware, they have a giant truck cartoonishly follow you through a street where you're just knocking cars into the stratosphere, all while sonic repeatedly talks to the viewer through the previous/following cutscenes like "heh, cops am i right"

      speaking of the stratosphere, the part where you get in a nasa rocket sitting in the middle of an egyptian pyramid and fly to the eggman-head-shaped space colony, to which they immediately spiral crash after a goofy interaction between our main four heroes about whether the shards to the Big God Rock were important or not.

      or how theres an entire sequence where eggman has a conversation with the president that sonic and co break into the limo of and talk over both of them as if it's just an average day in the life

      sa2 doesn't make the audience aware that it's aware through painting with irony or snide remark, but rather it does it by escalating every situation into a really cheeky/hammy ridiculous scenario and seeing how far you play along. it's all the silly madcap nature of things but without losing any sincerity or suspension of disbelief. it's good (TM)

    17. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      You could give as much crap to things like Kingdom Hearts or Star Wars for much of the same problems that Sonic may also suffer, but you should at least give those credit. Even at its lowest, weakest and most dissappointing, at least Star Wars is willing to show and tell its story and characters to its viewers with a straight face, without having the need to go "Oh shiyet, it's that dumb Jar Jar" or "Wait! We already done this thing" at every opportunity. 

       

       

      I would applaud it then and there, then again, it probably isn't worth what is still medoicre writing at the end. I totally expect the coming Star Wars comedy projects to go all in on how people hate the prequels and sequels anyway, (which we got hints of in ROSW with TLJ) so brace yourself.

    18. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      this very scene in the SA2 Hero Story fandub right about sums up SA2 for me

       

      The game is not entirely serious. Nothing about a giant truck smashing away cars while chasing you is "serious", this game is completely balls to the walls stupid and asks you to just run with it. Stupid things can make you laugh and make you cry, so even if there was a heartfelt ending, that doesn't ignore that Sonic and Shadow used their super forms to fight a giant evil lizard with the ARK jammed up it's arse.

      The modern games don't get silly anymore, instead choosing to point out the silly. But there's also a disconnect between the story and what the game actually does.

      After all, Generations willingly gets stupid in the gameplay (including making the GUN truck even more ridiculous) but makes no effort to point it out, and Dessert Ruins was a thing in Lost World with nothing to prompt it nor is it mentioned again.

      The stories have been dumb for a long time now, no denying it, but the games were never supposed to be entirely gritty and serious, unless you end up a boring game like 06.

    19. Osmium

      Osmium

      Regardless if SA2 is taking itself seriously or not i have to agree with this guy on the irony thing 

  12. My Hero Academia having another top tier moment.

  13. @Soniman I'm gonna tell you this because I care, don't fight the Pokemon reddit.

    You can't win man

     

    1. Soniman

      Soniman

      Damn you saw me? LOL

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Downvoted to hell.

    3. Soniman

      Soniman

      Yeah I kinda underestimated the level of hivemind I was dealing with. I'll just leave them to their echo chamber and save myself the trouble 🙃

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Confirmation Bias is a hell of a drug.

    5. TCB

      TCB

      you actually thought you could attempt breaching the hivemind ha how foolish

  14. Never has there been a picture that so accurately sums up the Pokemon fanbase after today. 

     

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  15. The same people complaining about DLC are the same ones who would have gladly thrown $60 for a remake of a game from 2006, just saying.

    1. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Note: This does not include people on this site.

    2. Tarnish

      Tarnish

      Well, a good remake of a good game vs $5 or more for a weapon or something stupid...I know which sounds less insulting to me.

    3. Legendary Emerald

      Legendary Emerald

      Not me, because I never bought the game to begin with and never plan to. I'll still complain about shitty DLC practices wherever they occur.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Tarnish The main point is that people will support shitty practices that they complain about and then turn around and support the same practices if it suits them.

      This is why devs feel they can get away with this because consumers are fickle when it comes to their beliefs.

       

      This isn't a call out or anything, but merely an observation of a phenomenon I've noticed. 

    5. Ryannumber1gamer
    6. Tarnish

      Tarnish

      @KuzuI'm not a fan of remakes at all, but I still think they're way less shitty of a practice than carving a game into a million pieces and selling it back in bite sizes. I don't think remakes and the different types of DLC are even in the same level of shitty practices.

      Remakes are mostly just lazy, DLCs (depending on which type) are slimy monetization tactics.

    7. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I have no idea how this is even comparable tbh

    8. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      A remake is, by definition,  a game that you have already bought, played, and beaten but dolled up with additional content.

      Like you said, it's pretty lazy. Now whether it's worse than DLC depends on the person but they're both trying to squeeze money out of you at the end of the day.

      The only difference is that with a remake, you know what you're in for...or at least you have an idea that you'll like it. With DLC, it's a gamble and it's not guaranteed that you'll like it. 

      I can at least understand that because nobody wants to spend their own money on stuff that they may not enjoy versus what they know they will enjoy, so remake would be the lesser of two evils here.

    9. Tarnish

      Tarnish

      Well it depends, a remake doesn't necessarlity mean you have the original game. Maybe you just heard about the original game, was contemplating of buying it, but then you heard of the remake and decided to buy that one instead.

      With DLC, you can't just buy the DLC, you have to obviously buy the base game first so you can have the 'privilige' of spending more money. With DLC, the 'Sunk cost fallacy' can be in play, thinking "Well, I already paid for the base game, might as well spend a bit more to get that item I really want that's DLC only". With a remake, that's not the case.

      Unless of course, a remake has DLC...now THAT'S super shitty...

    10. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I feel like "Releasing a game again 15 years later, completely remade, for you to (re)experience" is way, WAY less egregious than "Dumping interesting stuff that should've been in the game in the first place into the game half a year later for 30 bucks"

      You're acting like they would've just dumped the DS graphics of D/P/P on Switch and slapped a 60 dollar price tag on it.

    11. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      Not really, that would be a remaster. Trying to compare something like Resi 2 Remake, and Resi 2 original, and act like you would be silly to buy the remake is kinda wrong, at least from the viewpoint of "you bought this in the past, therefore you're wasting money buying this".

      A remake will typically overhaul the graphical style, add new gameplay mechanics potentially, add new substantial content, update the game in a meaningful way, usually employing new modern mechanics in order to fix issues the game previously had. A remake is a substantial redevelopment process that can take up the entire budget of a regular game development. That's nowhere as comparable, and the closer comparison you'd want is either a port, or a remaster.

      Not that it really excuses Game Freak either way. It's pretty fucking shitty to rush out their first major console title, and then ask for another £30 DLC on top of it to make the experience meaningful and fun, especially only two months after the fact. At that rate, it probably should've been delayed and packaged in, instead of holding it out to squeeze more money out of people to get a good experience from a long-awaited title. I don't even give a shit about Pokemon, and I can see where people are coming from with being annoyed at the DLC price.

    12. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      But then that's a slippery slope; you're saying tons of development goes into remakes, but you could literally say the same about DLC too.

      I feel this goes back to people's inherent distaste of DLC, because the logic being used here is "it should have been there to begin with" but that ignores things like deadlines and the like.

      There's no guarantee that they were already working on the DLC after the initial game was sold, and pushing games back is huge risk involved.

    13. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I don't have a distaste for DLC. If I feel like the game was well worth its money, I couldn't care less if they add to it with more DLC. I approve, even. Smash is a great example.

      But when you crap out a game with straight lines and barely anything to do for 60 bucks, you bet your ass I'm gonna be miffed that things that look way more interesting than anything in the game for 30 additional bucks. I'm not a shareholder, I don't care if the game has to be out on a certain point. I care about the end product. And if it feels like you sold me a half-finished game and come back two months later and go "Please buy the rest", I'm gonna say so. 

      If I get a great meal for a good price and someone offers me amazing dessert for additional cost, of course I'm down. If someone throws me a tray of cafeteria food for the same price and then shows me a decent looking meal but if I have to pay even more, why should I be happy about that? 

      Also, pushing back Pokemon being a risk? Come on.

    14. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Then that honestly comes down to personal taste; what makes a "complete" game will vary from person to person, because as plain as day, plenty of people were satisfied with SwSh for what they were.

      About the only thing here I can agree with is that cutting the Pokemon and selling them later is indeed very questionable, I'm not going to question that. 

       

      And yes, pushing Pokemon back is a risk because it means you need to delay the associated merchnand products that come with each new generation. Game devs only have a limited number of resources and limited time to work with before a product is finished because they need to sell for the holiday season.

      I'm not saying that to justify the practice, but there is a business aspect here that goes over people's heads when discussing this.

       

      I don't really have any more to add to this as it seems we've reached two different conclusions: all I can say is that people aren't obligated to buy DLC and can just as easily ignore it until something worth the money comes along.

  16. I went in with such little expectations and then I was blown the fuck away. Good on you Game Freak for finally coming to the new age.

  17. Something else Pokemon and Sonic fans have in common; being fans of old spin off games that the series no longer supports.

     

    Shout outs to Sonic Rush and Mystery Dungeon fans....

    1. Tarnish

      Tarnish

      I don't see how Sonic Rush was a spin-off.

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      It is technically a side series on the handhelds. 

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      But I suppose Sonic Riders is a more apt comparison 

    4. Soniman

      Soniman

      Sonic Riders isn't worth the trouble to bring back 

    5. Big Panda

      Big Panda

      Imagine using Mystery Dungeon as an example of a fan-favourite spinoff that the franchise doesn’t care about anymore instead of Pokemon Snap.

    6. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I really do want another Riders game tho

    7. Tarnish

      Tarnish

      @SonimanSpeak for yourself, I'd take a good new Riders game over the very best boost game any day of the week.

    8. TCB

      TCB

      Nah b, I'd like another Riders someday

      ain't gonna happen so

       

  18. I love how I don't play Sword and Shield for weeks, but the second I do I just have so much fun with it.

    Why are these games so fucking addicting to play...

    1. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      What is it that you're doing for fun in the games? 

      When I play Pokémon, my experience is pretty much confined to the main story. Find the 'mons you want on your team, train them up, make progress. And in the games that have actual dungeons (particularly optional ones ala Seafoam Islands or Wayward Cave), those are a big source of the enjoyment. Going on the hunt for wild Pokémon that I don't want on my team, breeding Pokémon for stats/egg moves, competitive play/battle facilities and collecting legendaries that just sit out in the open somewhere isn't ever fun for me. SwSh were fun the first time through, but the fact that the main story is so linear and hand-holdy really lets them down for me. I was satisfied enough with my run throughs of both games with different teams, and haven't had any incentive to go back to them since. 

    2. Soniman

      Soniman

      I like filling the dex. It adds a lot of hours to the game and you're expected to do it anyway. Then. I shiny hunt which kills enough time till the next game comes out 

    3. TCB

      TCB

      Once Home is out I may start wanting to fill in the Pokedex and see the Legendaries from previous that pass through Galar Border Patrol

      Outside of that...there's nothing much else I want to bother to be doing more. 

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      @Blue Blood I do both actually.

      When I go through the main game, I like to RP and imagine interacting in this new world.

      When my team gets tons certain point, I don't even consider switching anyone out since I become emotionally attached to my current team.

      On the competitive side, I like the feeling of outplaying my opponents with strategies and tactics and maximizing my team's strengths.

       

      Like no matter how bored I may get, when I go back and do those things, it just reminds me why I even like the series and why I still bother with it. All of the problems suddenly feel very minor in the Grand scheme of it all.

  19. I didn't know Scott Drier had a Twitter...

  20. Things Sonic fans and Pokemon fans have in common; taking any bit of news and then claiming a remake of an old game is definitely happening.

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      And clamoring to stop pandering towards the first era of the series

    2. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I mean, at least with Pokemon, there's a clear pattern.

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      The extra layer of irony is how people just complained about them rushing yearly releases.

      People are clowns.

       

      (Yes, I am aware the two groups aren't the same. The irony isn't lost on me is all)

    4. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      Man, people are setting themselves up for mad disappointment Thursday when it's most likely just going to be Home talk.

    5. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      It's way too early for a new game announcement; SwSh aren't even three months old yet. 

      It's very poor business to step on the shoes of your most recent release so soon.

    6. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      I had to look it up, but USUM were announced around E3, and ORAS similarly were just before then too, in their respective years. This direct is definitely going to be geared toward app updates and smaller titles.

    7. Sean

      Sean

      Me when Game Freak announces the Sinnoh remakes:

       

  21. So how would you guys feels about a Sonic game told through very little dialogue and mostly through character actions.

    1. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      They'd still find a way to screw up the characters even without dialogue 

    2. TCB

      TCB

      long as the gameplay is decent enough to be enjoyable throughout Idc.

    3. Wraith

      Wraith

      Should be fine if executed well

    4. Crow the BOOLET

      Crow the BOOLET

      I mean its the one thing I praise S3K so much for

    5. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      not necessary, but fine if they do it well

    6. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      I don't really care which way they go, it just has to be interesting and fun to watch. Sonic 3 & Knuckles doesn't get old for its short transitions showing the characters reacting to things, and the appeal comes from the designs and how it sets up a scene. The Advance games were also pretty good about this. But at the same time I find it fun to listen to the characters in games like Adventure because the dialogue is written in a fun way and the actions punctuate it.

    7. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I was thinking more along the lines of the recent Tyson Heese shorts tbh. 

    8. Osmium

      Osmium

      There was one of those in 1994 

    9. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Absolutely not the route I want the series to take but if it's done well then hey. So, basically the same stance I have with the shorts.

      Would be fantastic to get some better in-game animations too.

      Though really, we have a really good cast of VAs now... I don't know why they're suddenly trying to not have voices in things. If it's due to the tired old "Well the classics didn't have X or X" then it's just imitation at work instead of actually advancing things.

    10. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      It has less to do with the VA's and just the scripts and voice direction just straight being...bad. The best voice actors on the planet can only do but so much with corny and bad dialogue.

      Not to say that this series is universally bad, but there's definitely more misses than hits in terms of character scripts. 

       

      And that's not necessarily the reason I made this suggestion, but rather I would like to see how well these characters can animate without the caveat of dialogue and voices and just let their actions characterize them. They're cartoon characters so let them animate.

    11. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I'm all for them being more animated but at the same time, bad writing does translate to screenplay too. I doubt you're really going to get rid of the terrible direction just by removing voices. Seems more of a case of cutting an arm off because you have a broken wrist. A drastic change just to avoid solving the actual problem... a pattern I'm completely sick of this series falling into...

    12. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Voice direction and storyboarding aren't the same processes at all. And most of my issues with the 3D games is how these character barely animate to begin with. I feel this shouldn't be an either or thing as well.

      This isn't saying being silent is superior, just a direction I'd be interested in seeing. 

    13. TCB

      TCB

      Gimme Night of the Werehog and all those other Unleashed mini movies' charm with the character interaction spice of those Heese animations and I'm fine 

  22. More SA1 wank is good. Let SA1 consume you

  23. Should have seen this coming.

     

  24. This is your reminder that Vector was a MILF hunter in Sonic X.

     

    1. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      And this is why Sonic Team make sure Sonic X stays dead. 

    2. SenEDDtor Missile

      SenEDDtor Missile

      Aren't they both adults?

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Vector is 20, so he just barely makes it.

       

      We don't know Vanilla's age however.

    4. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      DUjgOiaXUAAmb-o.jpg

      "That's how it's done!"

    5. Sean

      Sean

      Is this Beastars

    6. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      He knew what he wanted. And he was deadset on getting it.

    7. PC the Hedgehog

      PC the Hedgehog

      Sonic X. The gift that keeps on giving.

    8. Teoskaven

      Teoskaven

      Vector is the Noryaki Kakyoin of the Sonic universe.

       

       

      No, i'm not sorry.

    9. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      kakyoin wanted a milf one time

      one. time.

    10. Celestia

      Celestia

      Technically this could be in the game canon as well for all we know because Vanilla hasn't been in a game with Vector yet.

    11. Your Vest Friend

      Your Vest Friend

      Nah, Sonic Free Riders pretty much ignores it.

    12. skull902

      skull902

      The only ship that deserves to be canon. :P

    13. Indigo Rush

      Indigo Rush

      Cream needs a Dad, let them be happy 😭

  25. While the Werehog got a little too much hate, the fact that Sega decided to do another gimmicky playstyle immediately off the heels of 06 was the most tone deaf thing ever.

    I'm glad we can appreciate the game in hindsight, but it was a dumbass decision at the time, so the critical reception made sense.

    1. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I feel like Sega still isn't out of the tonedeaf zone despite the strides the western branch tries to go with Sonic, and it's annoying the crap out of me

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      To be fair, what this fanbase wants changes at the drop of a hat so being tone deaf makes a bunch of sense.

      Forces is basically their attempt at trying to please everyone but failing on all accounts.

    3. Thigolf

      Thigolf

      I still don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be. Sure, you'll never make everyone content, and you'll always allienate some people, but there are some huge consensuses in the fanbase and the casual crowd that sega never listens to, and it always backfires. 

    4. pppp

      pppp

      Like I've said before SEGA is the most tonedeaf and incompetent company ever.

      "Oh look, Sonic Mania is a big hit! Should we get these guys to make more? Nah. Well, how about we port their Sonic CD, 1 and 2 versions to modern consoles? We could even market them with "From the creators of Sonic Mania" to guarantee sales and praise.........Nah fuck that noise, let's just emulate the original rom again".

      "Hmm, Sonic Colors was praised and sold well 10 years ago, should we remaster it for the Switch?.....Nah for what?"

      "Hey guys shall we maybe work on demanded re-releases of our back catalogue to keep scoring points with the fans and give them something to play while the next big game is being worked on?.....Nah that would make sense, don't be stupid"

      Seriously you'd think with so many changes in leadership they'll get one that is actually inteligent. I guess being tonedeaf is a requirement to work at SEGA.

    5. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      You know what's funny, Heroes and Shadow were released in Japan on 7th Generation consoles but never made it in the US since Sega delisted them due to poor reception 

    6. Ferno

      Ferno

      everytime they actually have competent developers Nintendo or Square Enix scoops them up so

    7. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I heard working at Sega is pretty shitty to begin with if Naka's words are anything to go by.

    8. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      And people wonder why SEGA didn't take huge risks like that anymore. 

    9. Ryannumber1gamer

      Ryannumber1gamer

      Heroes did make it to the UK on our PSN Store, so there's that at least.

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