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  1. Neither Espio or Omega get enough exposure to really be standout characters at all. Espio, along with the rest of the Chaotix, have been C-tier characters at best since their debut. Omega never really did anything relevant beyond just be the heavy for Team Dark. Exposure does influence people's opinions on you to an extent; it's why Blaze and Silver have maintained a decent showing despite not being all that relevant anymore; Blaze still has Rush (and 06...) and Silver has 06, and the added benefit of being the same species as the main character and his most prominent foil, the two literal most popular characters in the series.
  2. You know, I think what bothers me most about Tails nowadays is that there's no pay off to his presence anymore. Before, I could kinda get behind the kid struggling to keep up with Sonic while doing his best in his own way. Now he's just kinda...there and doesn't do anything. 

    I don't mind him not being much of a fighter, but there's no real...role he plays I guess? 

    1. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      What do you mean? His role is give Sonic someone to talk to. Someone to save when we need that plot. Someone to explain the plot. Someone to give false conflict like in Lost World. Someone to share bad jokes with. Someone to make other villains or heroes look good at his expense. That's plenty right?

  3. He's a pretty good straight man to whoever he's paired with while not being as dour as Shadow.
  4. That I didn't mind too much, because there were certainly many more characters that were expendable; Julie-Su tho, for better or worse, was one of Knuckles` major characters being his love interest. So losing her and pretty much every Echidna stings a lot more. Like, I may not have cared much for the whole Knuckles` backstory in Archie, but good god does the pre-reboot end in the most depressing way for him lol. His entire race, including his beloved and his family, are exiled from the world and he doesn't even get a chance to see any of them again before the reset. It's actually really fucked up when you think about it.
  5. That wasn't his decision though, he was forced to do that due to the lawsuit; he had an entirely different outline for Endangered Species before everything went to shit, and I'm kind of upset that we'll never see it.
  6. Ian definitely did what he could with the character, but there's not much he could do given her lousy base conceptual design. I definitely feel for the guy though, having to pick up the garbage that was Pender's creations.
  7. There's nothing wrong with just liking her design. Personally speaking, I didn't care much for Julie-Su for the exact reasons to laid out; its not that I didn't think she was a "good" character...just very bland, with her only role being Knuckles` "badass girlfriend". I can kinda get why such a character would appeal to a younger crowd given the women's rights movement going on around the time that were meant to subvert the standard passive and weak females of that time, but making her "cool" isn't really a substitute for giving her a character so I was just...ambivalent to her whole existence and just kinda rolled my eyes whenever her and Knuckles were on screen together.
  8. It kinda bothers me how the more vocal parts of the Smash community have turned on Fire Emblem because of Byleth. Why is it so hard to just...play the game and enjoy it?

    1. Perkilator

      Perkilator

      Now that I think about it…how do you think the Smash community would feel about Claude being the TH rep instead of Byleth? I know I’d be less disappointed about the DLC placement and more excited over a completely unique fighter.

    2. TCB

      TCB

      I wonder how the Japanese Smash fanbase sees this addition 

    3. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I mean tbh, I'm sort of getting sick of this whole narrative surrounding, well, anything Nintendo that people aren't allowed to be upset with announcements.

      Like yes, the threats against Sakurai are completely uncalled for but that should go without fucking saying. It shouldn't be the main argument/ knee jerk reaction to people when they voice general disappointment.

      We're seeing a lot more backlash with this recent fighter because I believe the general consensus is that FE really shouldn't have this many reps. If you're excited that Byleth made it in then more power to you honestly. I went through a similar harping session back with 4 when Dark Pit made it in so I genuinely do get what some FE fans are going through atm. It's not fun when a character you like is getting shit on by the majority. Though, at the same time, lets not act like people voicing concerns don't have anything to stand on or should just stay quiet.

      At the end of the day, there's always some bias coming out anyway no matter what side you're on in these cases.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I understand people have biases, and I understand that people aren't obligated to like any new addition to the game.

      But I kinda don't like how Smash Bros. has become this bastion of hype; that if things "aren't hype", people don't bother with it. It's gotten to the point where people have an issue with a NINTENDO character being put into a game about...nintendo characters instead of some other third party franchise. 

      No, people do not have to like every single character and people are free to voice their concerns...but at the end of the day, nothing about this character's inclusion I feel warrants the reactions I've been seeing. It would have been so much easier to just be "oh well" and kept it moving...

       

      We've gotten to the point when franchises like Pokemon or FE can't even add characters without being accused "commercialism" or "Favoritism" even if they are Nintendo franchises themselves. 

    5. Sean

      Sean

      It's pretty dumb when they ask us to pay for a fighter pass without telling us who the characters are, and suggesting to us that they will all be from brand new series not currently represented by Smash (and btw the "actually they meant new FIGHTERS" rhetoric doesn't work here considering Smult already includes everyone from past games). So the people who bought the pass thinking that everything will be new, as we were told, only to find that the last one is yet another fucking Fire Emblem character who has at least seven other reps, are probably going to feel a little swindled.

      Goes for every single game that does season passes without telling players what the contents will be, not just Smash. I think the practice is extremely bad and I wish companies would stop doing it.

    6. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Season Passes are kind of a grey area in general; because if you reveal everything all at once, then there's no more surprise to entice customers to actually buy it. It's a very questionable business practice, but I do understand that Nintendo has to make money somehow to sustain itself, and many other companies as well. 

    7. Sean

      Sean

      My problem with Byleth isn't even just that it's another FE character in a season pass full of nothing but third parties (if they had to sell us another FE I'd rather it be a separate purchase like Piranha Plant), but also that there are so many characters from 3H that would have been way more unique and interesting. Smash is a game that prides itself on how unpredictable its reveals and fanservice can be; Byleth is the most boring, predictable choice you could have pulled from that game.

      Also, I don't think Smash picking a single house lord as its 3H rep would be anymore problematic than picking Incineroar as its sole SM character, so it's also weird to me seeing people say that they couldn't have gone with just Claude or Edelgard for that reason.

    8. Supah Berry

      Supah Berry

      Also note how every character trailer before at least had some buildup before actually revealing who the character is, except maybe Isabelle, Terry at least build up to which Fatal Fury charcter would be picked.

       

      Byleth in comparison instantly comes up with absolutily no bulidup, and thus no fanfare. Despite Sakurai hyping up how you can figure out who he is pretty quckly in the stream, the execution ended up making me dread that statement rather than hype me up now.

    9. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Most of the characters from their series represent the game they're from; so Byleth does make the most sense, given we had Robin, and Corrin in the past. At the very least, they could have added the three Lords along with Byleth to alleviate it; we got Chrom and Lucina. No reason we couldn't have got Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude in addition to Byleth. 

    10. Wraith

      Wraith

      Most of the fire emblem reps reuse so many mechanics and animations from one another that I actually consider it less indulgent than the band of entirely unique Pokemon fighters.I understand if casual players don't feel that way just looking at the CSS at a glance but Most people in the online Smash fandom agree that there aren't actually six Zelda characters being represented due to the abundant number of clones but Fire Emblem never gets this consideration when it's on the hot seat.

    11. Soniman

      Soniman

      I feel like buying the fighters pass  is up to the purchaser and putting enough faith in the developers that they'll have characters you find appealing in every pack. It's really no harm to just wait and buy the character passes one at a time instead Imo, which is what I did. 

    12. Nina Cortex Jovahexeon

      Nina Cortex Jovahexeon

      This is one of those cases where the narrative that people were mad, just cause FE is incorrect. 

      Byleth was just very poorly timed and really did not fit in with the pass given how it was advertised. 

    13. Zaysho

      Zaysho

      Byleth's just boring. I don't really care about the outside factors as much, though the build-up from something as random as Joker, to big surprises with Hero, Banjo and Terry to... another FE avatar really did make this reveal a letdown (doesn't exactly help with the reasoning they initially gave for Rex and Pyra or Springman not making it and not even being considered for DLC)--and I didn't even purchase the pass.

      Like I said before, if we were gonna get a new FE rep on this pass anyway, I just wish it wasn't something so boring and safe and that they broke the mold on how people perceive the series as it appears in Smash. The spirits in Ultimate and the trophies in past games show such a huge variety of cool characters that an avatar that can use everyone's weapons is a boring creative choice versus using a house lord. No, I'm not a game developer, no, I don't answer to shareholders, no, I'm not designing things under a deadline, but as a consumer I just want to see something interesting that will win me over if I'm not already a fan.

  9. Oh man, Kakarot is so charming.

    Spoiler

    Gohan training with Vegeta is something I always wanted to see, and they actually did it. The madlads, I love it

     

  10. I mean, she was largely minor in Archie besides arcs like TTT. For the most part, she was just the muscle of the Freedom Fighters. Sonic had a much more closet emotional connection with Sally, for obvious reasons.
  11. I feel the point is that Archie!Sonic is treated as more of a traditional American comic hero like Superman; he has a primary place that he stays to protect and it's where all of his loved ones are. However, Sega of Japan interprets Sonic as a drifter, someone constantly going out and seeking the next big challenge or adventure (sound familiar!) and never staying in one place for too long. Hell, the ending of Sonic Forces is him literally going off on his own after everything is said and done. So yea, there is a difference in how the character is portrayed depending on the region and medium.
  12. I'd say Amy's biggest problem is as @Sega DogTagz said, all of her traits just get kinda buried when Sonic is around. If she could just be herself when he isn't around, it'd go a long way of letting her stand on her own as a character. But Sonic is the main character, so her relationship with him will be the most important at the end of the day and most of Amy's worse traits show when she acts on her feelings, to the point where she becomes a hindrance to Sonic. That's not to say she's a bad character for it, but I do want to point out that her most significant moments in the Adventure games are mostly; tagging along the group, getting kidnapped as leverage against Sonic, just complaining how she doesn't get to do anything, and being ignored while the boys handle the real business. Like, she got the raw end of the deal back then. If she was able to pull her weight, her personality wouldn't have come off anywhere near as grating and she'd be much more accepted by people. Yea, this is another point; Amy's character probably makes a lot more sense from a Japanese POV. Japan being a very traditionalist country, a character like Amy, who consistently chases after and supports the object of her affections in his endeavors even as he actively ignores her, would probably be seen as romantic. But that type of personality has been discredited and seen as very archaic from a Western POV; females are expected to be able to stand on their own and alongside their male peers as equals in the West. So Amy can (and has) come off as very grating to Westerners since all she does is follow Sonic around and little else. So Amy's recent outings have probably been American writers trying to "modernize" her character to be more acceptable in the West
  13. It's kinda sad how Amy's character as a whole was largely disliked, but now that Sega have downplayed her defining trait, she's largely just kinda boring now. 

     

    1. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      I'm not going to say that her current character is perfect but tbh, this was the logical step forward that they should've taken with her after SA1 imo.

      I don't think that trait of hers should be as muted as it is now, but I still do like how 80% of her dialogue in everything that she's in isn't some pass at Sonic anymore. It's just another area where I hope improvement comes if/ when Sega actually starts giving two shits about their characters.

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I mean, its kinda 50/50; I largely didn't care for her prior characterization, but that's who she was for the most part and she had her fans. But now she's just...kinda there. 

      At least before she kinda warranted a reaction from Sonic, but now she just doesn't even register on his radar anymore. 

    3. Strickerx5

      Strickerx5

      Tbf that's most of the cast with him as far as the games are concerned.

      As for the comics, yeah I won't really argue that but I guess it's more of personal taste for me. Again, I think that side of her should come out a bit more than it does now, but just not anywhere near where it was before if that makes any sense.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I actually liked her in issue 2 because it did a good job of showing her as affectionate for Sonic, but she was still able to pull her weight when it came down to it. We largely haven't gotten anything like that since...which yea, I get because the current plot just doesn't allow for it. 

      That's why I hope Flynn focuses on smaller, character-focused conflicts after the Zombot arc so the cast can largely be fleshed out. Right now, they're just a bunch of a archetypes running around in a larger plot. 

    5. Soniman

      Soniman

      I disagree whole-heartedly 

    6. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      I mean, what's actually interesting about her now then?

    7. Polkadi~☆

      Polkadi~☆

      I would've rather SEGA built on Amy's other traits instead of playing her safe. It's better that she's not obsessive over Sonic now, but I'd rather it become an innocent schoolgirl crush than the nothing it is now.

      Amy has other traits too, as she's shown herself to be resourceful. If she wants something or to be somewhere, Amy will find a way. And she’s the heart of any team, as Amy has played emotional and morality support for more than a few characters. All this with a young mind; she’s hardly mature at her age.

      That’s my view on Amy, at least.

    8. dbzfan7

      dbzfan7

      I wouldn't say kinda boring, I'd say super boring. Almost if not equivalent to mid 2000's Tails boring.

    9. Wraith

      Wraith

      I think people exaggerate how much they downplayed her. They just actually show her doing things besides chasing tail now

    10. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Well, if we look at post 06; she's a minor character in Unleashed, only cameos in the DS version of Colors, and once again a minor character in Generations, Lost World, and Forces.

       

      Boom is her most prominent role to date, and she's basically a different character there for the most part in a similar vein to Knuckles. She's a good character there mind you, but vastly different from her main counterpart.

  14. I didn't say you were wrong for feeling that way, just making a point. I largely agree that even if I'm fine with Byleth, I understand why people are disappointed if you were expecting someone else.
  15. I feel like all of this contention on the ways Amy and Shadow have been written mostly stems from their characters and personalities have just been largely undefined for so long. Amy's entire character, can essentially be summed up as "Girl who likes the protagonist", that's her schtick, it's the entire concept behind her creation that she hopelessly chases after Sonic and he just kind of gets annoyed by her. That's fine for an occasional gag for a minor character, but it's not really suitable when Amy was upgraded to a major character post-Adventure. She's largely playing the same role as damsel who annoys Sonic, while Tails and Knuckles are the ones Sonic trusts and the ones who get things done while Amy just tags along. To be perfectly blunt, she was the Sakura Haruno of the group and I don't think I need to tell you what that means. Naturally, such characterization made her quite unpopular for a time (outside of the rabid people who shipped her with Sonic). And it wasn't just a fandom thing either, the entire public perception of Amy was "Sonic's crazed stalker" and that was around the time her violent tendencies were played up. Sega probably took note and tried to "correct" character by simply downplaying the parts that people didn't like, namely her obsession with Sonic. But that in lies the problem. Without her crush on Sonic, Amy largely...has no character, outside of superficial ones like being "kind" and "sweet". Don't get me wrong, she has great moments of emotional support for the likes of Gamma and Shadow, but those moments were about the latter two than Amy herself. Amy just kinda kickstarted them, but those moments are largely centered on Gamma and Shadow. Amy was just kind of an afterthought. So now Amy's defining trait is largely gone, but now you have the problem of how do you define her character now? Stuff like putting her in the leader role feels like Flynn's awkward attempts at actually giving her a role that doesn't revolve around Sonic, and obviously the results are..iffy. So Amy is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place; her main defining trait largely made her unpopular for so long, but without that trait, the character is kind of boring and barely recognizable and I don't know how you fix that. But no, I don't think this some conspiracy of Flynn to just put Amy in a role he doesn't want to deal with, but he's facing the same problems every other writer has had in actually trying to define and give Amy a purpose that doesn't return her to her original role as "Sonic's crazy stalker".
  16. You mean Edelgard... And Decidueye was already in Pokken. Let's be fair, its the same for Pokemon; Mewtwo, and Pichu came out around the first movie and Gold and Silver, Lucario came in 2008 with Brawl during Generation 4, and Greninja came during Generation 6, and Incineroar with Generation 7. I don't think its fair to give FE this designation when others have it too.
  17. I do agree, but picking any of the lords would have probably resulted in an even bigger backlash. Because now both Fire Emblem fans are gonna be gunning for Sakurai. Its definitely safe and boring, but it was kind of a necessary evil.
  18. There's no real answer here; buying a season pass means putting your faith in the devs for upcoming content that may or may not appeal to you. A season pass is essentially a hard commitment since in most cases, you can't get a refund for them. So if the content is below your expectations, you can't help but be disappointed and lose faith. The only way around that is for the devs to reveal their hand early and lay all of the cards firsthand, but that means giving up any potential buyers with the massive hype of every reveal. Every Smash reveal is always going to generate these reactions because the demographics of it are skewered all over the place and not every reveal is going to appeal to everyone no matter who it is.
  19. And just like Corrin before, everyone will just pretend like the male version doesn't exist.

     

    So I hope ya'll like seeing Fem Byleth because you'll be seeing her a lot.

    1. Diogenes

      Diogenes

      can i pretend neither exists

    2. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      @Diogenes Depends if you bought the Fighter Pass or not 

    3. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Did you buy the fighter pass?

    4. Diogenes
    5. Blue Blood
    6. Kuzu
  20. If nothing else, this is a prime example of what happens when people buy too much into blind hype. People set themselves up for disappointment every time there's a character reveal and it doesnt match your expectations. I can understand being disappointed if you don't care about FE at all, but all of the hype and words was literally over nothing. People need to learn how to temper expectations.
  21. I played and like Three Houses, so I'm pretty fine with this. RIP to everyone else tho.

    1. Soniman

      Soniman

      Edelgard did nothing wrong 

    2. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      She did a lot of wrong things, but so did everyone else so it evens out.

    3. Blue Blood

      Blue Blood

      I think you must surely understand why people are disappointed though? Playing and liking Three Houses doesn't mean that you're not going to disappointed that Byleth was the last fighter the DLC. At least there's are more fighters to come, because this would have been a very dull note to end on.

    4. Kuzu

      Kuzu

      Oh I know why, this was a pretty safe pick after all of the unexpected choices prior. And it was deliberate too otherwise Sakurai wouldn't have put that disclaimer beforehand.

       

      Its just that I never had the large expectations everyone else had to begin with, Byleth looks fine. So I'm just like "neat, new fighter". There's really no reason for me to be upset.

  22. I appreciate the blatant audacity in doing this; Sakurai doesn't give a single fuck about your feelings.
  23. Sakurai knew what the fuck he was doing lol. Dude hold this L if you bought the pass. I respect it.

  24. The thing with Amy is that despite being a "main" character, she really doesn't get much spotlight. So she has very limited appearances to establish consistent characterization compared to the likes of Sonic, Tails, and Eggman. So it's understandable her developmental process isn't as apparent, she simply doesn't make enough appearances and the series is usually focused on Sonic and whoever else he just happens to be partnering with (usually being Tails). So she just kinda falls by the wayside.
  25. I don't feel Amy's situation necessitates the use of either Blaze or Rouge in most places. If we look at her post 06 appearances, she's really not all that prominent to begin with and so, doesn't even get to do much of anything. Her traits feels less obvious because she simply hasn't gotten much focus at all, which is hardly a problem unique to her. Boom is obviously the outlier here; and given the positive response to her characterization there, it makes sense that universe would kinda dictate where her character goes.
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