Kuzu

Heck Shadow too. Boom only further proved how "out of nowhere" and "nothing" Shadow feels when stripped of his SA2 backstory

There's nothing wrong with Shadow and Blaze just hanging around.

There's nothing really right about it either. They're just kind of there, which was my point. 

You don't really have a point.

Gotta agree with Kuzu unless they serve some sort of purpose. Just merely existing is fine, but if they're merely gonna exist and make appearances is a whole other story. It's fine in spin off titles but it wouldn't really be acceptable in a main title.

"Yeah, I don’t know, we may do something fun with the movie that’s coming out next year. We’re still talking about that. There could be something fun around that. Yeah, we love Sonic, so Sonic may make an appearance in some form inside of the show”

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/12/sonic_may_make_an_appearance_at_the_game_awards_2019_says_geoff_keighley
That's all that was said, and it doesn't really sound like any indication of a game being announced. And even if a game does get announced, we all know that it'll be dead on arrival unless it's a Tom the Cop spinoff.

Why did I have a feeling that it would be related to the movie in some way. Oh well, back to not caring I guess.

Because the movie is all that's going on in the franchise at the moment and because that's all that was mentioned? There's not really any reason to expect it not to be related to the movie.

it's a joke?!

I think the real joke is thinking the current Sonic Team could even remake a game properly.

"scores don't matter"

*sega delists a whole game because of several bad reviews from PS360 reviewers fresh off their 1st person games and sports titles including a few reviews where people didn't even try to play the game right before giving their scores*

*on the flipside sega kept stuff like wisps and blocky level design going for the next decade because the game those originated from got good scores from nintendo reviewers who're used to playing platformers and scored more leniently overall*

Sonic Unleashed.

One of the few games where review scores really did matter... just my fucking luck really...

Too this day I’m still low key boiling over that IGN review and how it and others like it probably did actually have a direct correlation on certain discussions Sega has made since.

like a fucking pc port

Shadow got a game because Shadow brought the bag 

Tails or Blaze or whatever won't sell copies like that. 

It is true; I mean, who wants to play as the boring ass sidekick instead of "THE DARK AND COOL SONIC" 

And he hasn't even been in the last 3 issues, imagine what happens when he appears again.

I never thought I'd get to a point of being sick of hearing about him, but here we are.

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Shadow.

What are you guys even talking about, who's talking about shadow

It's the idw Sonic thread

Shadow is the ocean of this franchise. Everything goes back to it.

Good

I love Shadow

but yall are making me reconsider

...I think you missed a comma there, buddy.

(pfffffffft)

Like that would even matter if the stages themselves will still be shorter than the tracks themselves

Lol yeah tbh I often have made bespoke custom soundtrack playlists for Sonic games using music I like, but I've just plain never bothered with Forces because I know I'd only get to listen to two minutes of the song on each stage.

Hell, you know it's bad when you literally don't get to hear the whole of the final stage's song in the actual game due to the auto-running on said stage.

I've never enjoyed this feature in any game. It always feel so wrong to hear any music other than the default track associated with any stage (or at least what you're used to). That's why I've never warmed to playing CD with the American soundtrack and S3 with the Mega Drive soundtrack as I grew up playing the PC version. Imagine my surprise when it recently transpired that the S3 PC soundtrack was actually the original one.

Sometimes you can get a giggle out of totally unfitting music, but ultimately I just really don't like it as a feature. Doesn't really matter if you have totally freedom to use custom music or just a handful of directed tracks. It never works for me. Back in the days of the 360, you could universally mute all BGM in games and have your own music play instead. That's a great feature got those who want it. It's a shame that that is no longer used.

Changing music was one of my favorite things to do for J Stars Victory VS and Wipeout HD, hehe.

Why does the very first one make him look like a silent hill monster

Lol those first two. Boom Sonic called, he wants his sports tape back.

Kinda wish he kept that freaky tail from the first pass in the final. That would work so well with the rest of his suped up powers

IIRC wasnt there another one that made him look like a Bull instead of a Jackal?

I can never look at him and not think "Why does he have speakers for ears?"

bring it on

Considering where the director of those games came from, the storybook games?

Or how about the last mainline game before that on the system, Unwiished?

I think it tried a little harder than what we have right now, man. Just because everything afterwards copied it doesn't mean the origin point was equally as lazy.

I mean we like to go on about hallways, analog control, and moves like quickstep and drift free range nowadays but you gotta consider the Wii only had 3 significant buttons, and one d pad on its lock-in controller. There's a reason so many wii games feel so limited compared to everything else out there. Not Colors' fault if Forces decided to carry over some of those design features just cause it could

How many buzzwords do I have to chain together to get the maximum amount of people to engage with me

Sonic Colors Sucks

Uh oh did I waste several minutes of my time on a passing prankster

A jolly joker

A snickerdoodle

Colors is the Let's Go of Sonic. 

This status is a joke but not an intentional one 

I'm sorry bro, you successfully caught the bait 

I'll leave people to figure out if this status is serious or not. 

You cant save this shit. Please just delete it

Sonic Colors? MORE LIKE

I dunno anything bad that rhymes with Colors

I loved the final boss music though

Even if I did believe this was intentional trolling rather than trying to backpedal on monumental stupidity, that's against the rules too. Maybe just don't pull this shit at all?

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Or by what it can afford.

Final warning 

Guys, guys...
They both suck

According to SSMB polls, SA2 is really close to being the best game of all time, which invalidates the entire thing completely

And they're much better for it. You won't find me praising the plots of Hoenn and Sinnoh anytime soon, but they were woven into the games much better than any stories are now.

I wish N was the true and only leader of Team Plasma because DENNIS single-handedly ruins pretty much everything BW1's story had going for it. Not that it was good before he shows up but it was also resolved in literally the worst way that it could have

DENNIS

bogamon

So what you're saying that...Pokemon doesn't need a story :V

Pokemon games can have good stories. I liked SM's story. I just don't like BW1's

I've never really hated Pokemon stories, and I thought they were serviceable enough. Which is why I'm kinda surprised by how divisive SM's story was among the community. 

People started being bothered by Pokemon stories when they started stopping you every couple of minutes without being interesting enough to warrant it.

Never had a problem with BW1's thing with the Pokemon because the entire point was that Unova was very alien from the rest of the regions and vice versa and it was somewhat of a soft reboot, or it was supposed to be. Going in with entirely new mons felt cool and when you were done, all the old ones popped back over. Just like how old characters showed up out the woodwork in BW2. Thematically, it works out and I think it did in execution, too. And no story has topped Gen 5's and none probably ever will if Gens 6, 7 and 8 are anything to go by. lol

SuMo's story bothers me because of the characters, its constant intrusion and the lack of player involvement. It's all about Lillie thinking you're amazing, even though you do jack shit. And Hau thinking you're amazing, even though you do jack shit. And Ultra Beasts appearing because ??? and then they do jack shit. You get dragged from point A to point B as you're told. The whole island challenge is a joke too. "Congratulations you beat a game of spot the difference with Marowak and a generic NPC you're an amazing trainer!"

Fucking barf

I'm not one who hates things because of fandom behavior but the Gen V dicksuckery I see in ever Twitter comment thread because they hate Gen 6-8 and think 5 did everything better has gotten hella obnoxious. And I LIKE those games!

Reminds me of certain Sonic Fans with Unleashed during the Colors-Gens days before the games started getting bad again and no one got what they wanted 

Hey, it's not their fault those games felt so lackluster to them. 6 and 7 weren't awful, but they were a precursor of what was to come and felt like a huge downgrade from Gens 4 and 5 for the main and postgame. I like those gens more for what the anime brought rather than the games.

Pokemon has basically become Sonic in terms of fandom opinion; its almost impossible to properly gauge fandom opinion because everyone has their own reasons for playing this series. What people find amazing in one game, others find it to be absolutely dogshit. 

The division tends to come when Game Freak prioritize one of these aspects over others, and its kind of reach a head with Sword and Shield to the point where almost no veteran fan is actually happy with the game at all. 

I really don't envy them at all, because they are in the worst possible position  a game developer could be in; when your demographics have gotten so huge to the point where you don't know what to actually do. 

I like Sword and Shield and am enjoying playing them, but the entire thing just feels like Game Freak have thrown in the towel in terms of creativity and just making improvements in things that only a select few people would actually appreciate. 

Colors children still not over the poll huh

Colours children still not over what now?

The poll

The poll?

Yes

Thank you.

penis

Wraith, just link the poll or explain which one. You're making me laugh more than I should be. lol

It's gone but true warriors remember 

Shut up about the poll 

i vote for yes

I remember that poll

Sonia: Oh main character , don't get involved with the plot! I've not got any more exposition to dump on you right now.

Leon: Yeah, let the grown-ups handle the off-screen story events that the developers were too lazy to render. Why don't go beat up my brother again? You can take part in the story at the 11th hour.

I didn't say it was good; just that its its hilarious because adults are usually useless in Pokemon and everything falls onto the children.

I didn't say you said it was good; just highlighted how the story comes off.

Leon is clearly the main character then.

Being a ten year old who fights and beats entire crime organizations while the adults do jackshit was a great power fantasy for me as a kid though so I'm not sure if being more passive in those matters is a good change

Is it still a power Fantasy as a grown adult?

Not necessarily, but I'm not sure how "the big crisis gets handled by someone else as some secondary character does everything" benefits anyone.

It doesn't, I just thought it was a very funny and realistic change to the usual formula, but results in an even more boring experience.

I've been enjoying my time with it too for the most part. 

I haven't done Raid Battles with friends though because I have none, but other than that as a whole package the presentation is keeping my interest along. 

That's good. I've actually been learning more about breeding and how to build teams in Sun/UltraMoon because I've wanted to at least take a stab at the battle facilities. So those updated features in SwSh do catch my interest because it looks like they've really opened it up for people who really are new and unfamiliar with it. That's something I'd probably enjoy about that game though the lacking single-player aspect has put me off (I don't have/play online).

Yea, the game really does try to make things as simple as possible for newcomers building teams, which I hope gives people an incentive to do that. 

Single player is pretty lackluster I admit.

I've always been annoyed they couldn't do that before and constantly had to refer to guides to make sure I was raising something right before I gave it a stone.

stone evolutions locking you out of basically a pokemon's entire moveset has always been super dumb. having them count as relearnable is better than nothing but i'm not sure why they couldn't just learn moves normally. i guess they wanted a downside to dissuade you from evolving as soon as possible for the stat boosts but you shouldn't be punished with a basically unusable pokemon if you make that mistake.

Yea, I never liked it either. Especially since most Pokemon do not stay viable by the time they learn their more powerful moves. That said, I think its a bit busted how I can get a fully powered Ninetails before the first Gym. At least limit where and when you can get the stones. 

So he'll get to meet Silver in his present time?

edit: now that I'm looking up the rest of Zero 3's plot, having not played that one but only heard about it, that probably doesn't quite work

OMG, that explains how he survived his fall from SA2!

@Zaysho Shadow's spirit is the same but it was transferred into a new body

which means the Shadow he defeats in Forces was his real body all along

"I never cared about justice, and I don't recall ever calling myself a hero... I have always only fought for the people I believe in. I won't hesitate... If an enemy appears in front of me, I will destroy it!"

...ok but why does this sound like shadow would actually say that

Shadow and Zero may as well be the same fucking character

Hey, uh Yuji? You do know there's a game after World Adventure that's about going Off World, right? 

Colors takes place right above Earth...and I'd hardly call it an adventure 

somebody show the man Utopia for the love of god

On one hand that concept art looks freaking sick, but on the other hand I don't think Sonic could ever be in a zero gravity situation without supersonic tbh

*jumps once*

*flies so far off the level he enters the moon's orbit for several dozen years*

Like... they are even in Forces!

At least it were useful in Mania.

But yeah, I've noticed that too. In fact, I believe (In terms of gameplay), Chaos Emeralds became useless since Adventure were you obligatory get them along the story. But idk, I don't think Special Stages are the better way either, but I sorta miss them.

They were still relevant in Adventure at least since they were plot related. Nowadays, they're all but forgotten about.

they've been out of the picture for a whole two games in a row (they're still the macguffin that fixes everything in gens even if the game's story is paper-thin). honestly it's kind of a relief, they were treated as an absolute necessity in every game from SA to Unleashed. it's ok to step away from them for a little while.

Gens was 8 years ago, that's a long ass fucking time. We're talking an entire decade. They've been less relevant longer than they were relevant. And even then, like you said they were still treated like an afterthought...which kind of goes back to my main point of them not mattering. 

I feel like the game where Eggman won and took over 99.99% of the world was a weird choice for them to skip out on the Chaos Emeralds (like, even a mention would've been something), but otherwise, I don't really mind them being optional.

I kind of prefer them as gameplay mechanics so I don't mind this change on paper. Most of the games didn't have room for 7 macguffins so they ended up fading into the background until the end a lot of the time anyway.

The idea that no-one thought about gathering the Chaos Emeralds after Eggman took the world in Sonic Forces isn't the writers wanting to step away from them, it's the writers being retarded. It makes absolutely no sense for the lore, no matter how you put it.

I guess they just don't know what to do with them anymore. It is strange though. They were such a huge fixture in the series lore up until Colors, really.

They're 7 super powerfull rocks, they can do a lot of stuff, not just turn a hedgehog golden as far as we know. They can even put chunks of the planet back in place and open portals to the past.

Considering how Forces brought back old villians willy-nilly without explaining them to newcomers, they definitely could have thrown in a line about being unable to track down the chaos emeralds (but at the same time, it's hard to word that in a way that wouldn't make literally every player still assume "ah, so the chaos emeralds will be involved then").

But yeah, I'm fine with them remaining uninvolved with the plot for a while.  We've had more than enough stories revolving around them.  Unless they have a REALLY good fun new mechanical idea for Super Sonic gameplay to end the game on, there's no need to involve him.  Granted, even a mediocre Super Sonic minigame would be more interesting than Nega-Wisp Armor with a new coat of paint, again.  Regardless, if emeralds do come back, I want them to subvert our expectations in how they're used in the plot next time.

Alternatively, use them in the classic way where they are obtainable but optional, and have a line in an early cut-scene have Sonic or Tails mention "it'd be nice if we can find all the chaos emeralds so we can use our super powers against <threat> but those things can be tricky to track down... we should plan to make do without them".  And then it can be left open (perhaps make it very difficult to obtain them on a story playthrough if Super Sonic is just being treated as a post-game powerup again, so most players at least won't be able to cheese their first playthrough).

The Phantom Ruby is a Mary Sue version of the Chaos Emeralds anyway since it overpowered Classic Sonic when he had them.

(Yes, I can't belive a Mcguffin can be a Mary Sue either)