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    Kuzu got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    I mean, the simple the answer is that they don't consider them legacy characters lol. They don't care about them. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Meta77 in Should Sonic games start being made in the West?   
    I feel like most of you are only seeing "western Sonic" through the lens of the old comics and televisions shows, but y'all need to remember that those shows were born from a time when thr creative vision of the franchise wasn't really established yet.
    Also, the IDW comic is technically an American product through the lens of Sega of Japan and its....gotten mixed reception to say the least depending on who you ask.
    I think Japan knows about as much about Sonic as America does, which is to say, not much at all. I know most of the fans grew up on the heavily Eastern inspired Adventure era and onward, but that had its own host of issues.
     
    Think both regions need to sit down and establish is this series going to be going forward.
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Angyu in Sega of America vs. Sega of Japan: Who has been better for Sonic?   
    I mean, the same is true for Pokemon, but nobody argues that it isn't a multimedia franchise sooo....
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    Kuzu reacted to Wraith in Sega of America vs. Sega of Japan: Who has been better for Sonic?   
    Sonic and Pokemon are both multimedia franchises. You could probably argue Pokemon's unified approach makes it a much better one than Sonic, but I think Sega's intent with Sonic is similar wrt creating a variety of content in different mediums that feed back into eachother. They almost always have new shows, comics and films in development. The games don't really get left to carry themselves very often. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from UltraGizmo64 in Sega of America vs. Sega of Japan: Who has been better for Sonic?   
    There's no doubt that both regions have played a large role in getting Sonic to where he is today...for better or worse. But we also know about the HUGE regional differences that have resulted in very different interpretations of the franchise. We also know about the huge rivalry between both regions in the 90's in trying to get THEIR vision of the franchise off the ground. 
    The American soundtracks in CD, the potential SATAM video game that got canned, and all of the lore and storyline differences. It even extends to the localization of the scripts between regions that is happening even nowadays.

     
    So which region or branch do you feel has been overall, a bigger benefit to Sonic in the long run, you got any other big regional changes that maybe some don't know about that caught your eye?
     
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Johnny Boy in Should Sonic games start being made in the West?   
    Regardless of how you feel about the movie, it's the most success  the series has seen in recent years, and that's off the heels of releasing a mostly mediocre game. It's certainly not what many of us want but, building off of the movie's success is a logical move from a business perspective. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Snowragnarok in Sega of America vs. Sega of Japan: Who has been better for Sonic?   
    To be entirely fair, that was mostly true in the 2000's where Nintendo did lean on their other franchises more than Mario. Nowadays, their other IP output has lessened significantly. We only had two Metroid games in the 2010's, and one of them was a remake and we don't even know if Metroid Prime 4 will ever see the light of day. They attempted to bring back Starfox and that seems to be on the back burner now, etc etc. 
    Its ironic too, because while I wouldn't say Sonic has gotten LESS popular, Sega aren't leaning on the franchise as much as they were in the 2000's. The marketing for the series has eased up immensely.  
     
    But yea, I would say that without Sega of America, Sonic would have never left the 90's. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Snowragnarok in Sega of America vs. Sega of Japan: Who has been better for Sonic?   
    There's no doubt that both regions have played a large role in getting Sonic to where he is today...for better or worse. But we also know about the HUGE regional differences that have resulted in very different interpretations of the franchise. We also know about the huge rivalry between both regions in the 90's in trying to get THEIR vision of the franchise off the ground. 
    The American soundtracks in CD, the potential SATAM video game that got canned, and all of the lore and storyline differences. It even extends to the localization of the scripts between regions that is happening even nowadays.

     
    So which region or branch do you feel has been overall, a bigger benefit to Sonic in the long run, you got any other big regional changes that maybe some don't know about that caught your eye?
     
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    Kuzu reacted to FlameStream in Sega of America vs. Sega of Japan: Who has been better for Sonic?   
    People tend to undermine the business partner of the artist/engineer/technical person a lot. In truth, it really is the combination of both that results in great success (moreso the marketing typically).
    I'd say it's quite true here too.
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Piko in Sega of America vs. Sega of Japan: Who has been better for Sonic?   
    To be entirely fair, that was mostly true in the 2000's where Nintendo did lean on their other franchises more than Mario. Nowadays, their other IP output has lessened significantly. We only had two Metroid games in the 2010's, and one of them was a remake and we don't even know if Metroid Prime 4 will ever see the light of day. They attempted to bring back Starfox and that seems to be on the back burner now, etc etc. 
    Its ironic too, because while I wouldn't say Sonic has gotten LESS popular, Sega aren't leaning on the franchise as much as they were in the 2000's. The marketing for the series has eased up immensely.  
     
    But yea, I would say that without Sega of America, Sonic would have never left the 90's. 
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    Kuzu reacted to CrownSlayer’s Shadow in Sega of America vs. Sega of Japan: Who has been better for Sonic?   
    Honestly, If it weren’t for those very factors, Sonic probably wouldn’t have even had much of an output to begin with.
     
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Angyu in Should Sonic games start being made in the West?   
    I feel like most of you are only seeing "western Sonic" through the lens of the old comics and televisions shows, but y'all need to remember that those shows were born from a time when thr creative vision of the franchise wasn't really established yet.
    Also, the IDW comic is technically an American product through the lens of Sega of Japan and its....gotten mixed reception to say the least depending on who you ask.
    I think Japan knows about as much about Sonic as America does, which is to say, not much at all. I know most of the fans grew up on the heavily Eastern inspired Adventure era and onward, but that had its own host of issues.
     
    Think both regions need to sit down and establish is this series going to be going forward.
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Polkadi~☆ in Should Sonic games start being made in the West?   
    I feel like most of you are only seeing "western Sonic" through the lens of the old comics and televisions shows, but y'all need to remember that those shows were born from a time when thr creative vision of the franchise wasn't really established yet.
    Also, the IDW comic is technically an American product through the lens of Sega of Japan and its....gotten mixed reception to say the least depending on who you ask.
    I think Japan knows about as much about Sonic as America does, which is to say, not much at all. I know most of the fans grew up on the heavily Eastern inspired Adventure era and onward, but that had its own host of issues.
     
    Think both regions need to sit down and establish is this series going to be going forward.
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    Kuzu reacted to Wraith in Does Sonic Really Hate Authority?   
    The only thing I have to say about that whole debate at this point is that almost every time they tried to come up with a deuteragonist for Sonic it was a character that had some sort of strong obligation, anchor or responsibility. It's the natural opposite of living free. They even eventually landed on a literal monarch with Blaze. Since Sally/the FF were made before Knuckles they were actually ahead of the curve when they came up with them. It makes me wonder if they would be so controversial if they had simply been in the games to begin with. 
    But I don't want to make this topic about Satam.

    To me, being anti-authority means going against the established authority in some way. Sonic isn't fighting against the corporate compartmentalization of the galaxy like Ratchet and Clank and he isn't living on the fringes committing crime for sport and delivering vigilante justice like Sly Cooper. He's fighting Dr. Eggman in a conflict that seems deliberately removed from most political concepts. There was some enviromental commentary in the older games that they've mostly shied away from now.  Eggman definitely gives off a dictator vibe but they don't even lean into that as hard as SATAM does. 

    In general, Eggman in the games has never represented authority that well to me. He's a weird outsider on the fringes trying to pull hostile takeovers. Almost everyone in the world hates him and loves Sonic. This makes Sonic come off less like a rebel and more like a superhero defending that status quo.
    When Sonic's morality or competence is called into question, it's almost always painted as a misunderstanding rather than him making a controversial call or going against the grain to do what's right. Sonic Adventure 2 is probably the sole exception in the main games, and he explicitly tries to stay on GUN's good side afterward. 
    So Sonic as a character doesn't really represent being anti-authority to me. I've come to feel like that's giving the games way too much credit. I don't think he really...cares, to be honest. He doesn't like being told what to do, but what teenager does?
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    Kuzu reacted to Wraith in Does Sonic Really Hate Authority?   
    I've said this for years, but Sally is technically royalty so it doesn't count I guess. 
    Sonic has fought on behalf of monarchs, governments and even GUN in the games before. He's about as interested in protecting the status quo as Mario is. Even if you argue that he "had" to do those things, he had even less of a choice in SATAM  given the circumstances. 

    I think portraying Mario as fighting on behalf of the crown is a stretch anyway. Bowser doesn't have any political ambitions beyond forcibly marrying Peach, and Peach is Mario's friend, not an obligation. 
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    Kuzu reacted to Wraith in Does Sonic Really Hate Authority?   
    If this was true the series would be suggesting most authority is inherently corrupt, which would be a pretty clear cut anti-authority position to take. 

     I don't think Sonic paints every authority as corrupt, though. It just leans into the basic idea that there are good and bad ways to lead people. Simple characters, simple world, simple perspective. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Piko in Does Sonic Really Hate Authority?   
    I mean, the fact you went to specify that is kind of my point; its not that Sonic is "anti-authority", some fans just hate the idea of Sonic serving under a monarchy due to the fact that they grew up with a continuity where that wasn't the case. And use the idea that "Sonic hates authority" as a means of lambasting what SATAM/Archie did. 
    Sonic hates Eggman because he's a dick, not because he's an authoritarian. If Eggman wasn't a dick and used his resources for good, Sonic would more than likely just leave him alone. 
    Like I said, if Sonic wasn't supposed to be a mascot for a children's franchise, I wouldn't mind them leaning into the idea that he has something against authority figures. But that idea veers him away from the squeaky clean image that Sega have built up for him, so I can't ever see that ever happening.
     
    Sonic didn't even have anything against GUN personally, they were just in his way of trying to stop Eggman. Similarly, he stopped King Arthur because someone asked him to and because  once again, King Arthur was a dick. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from RadicalLaRuby in So which games take place on which "Earth"?   
    I honestly have no reason to believe that Sega actually buy into the two world nonsense, and was just an answer that Iizuka came up with when someone asked him why are there humans around. It really does feel like one of those answers you throw out when you don't actually have an explanation. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in IDW's Sonic the Hedgehog   
    I do like how Evan is a bit more of a slow burner  in terms of storytelling, and the focus is more on the setup than getting straight into the action. This issue served two purposes of integrating Belle into the cast, and setting up just what the hell is this Tower that Eggman has built. I'm still not completely sold on Belle yet, but it's clear they're trying to build up this mystery surrounding her origins, and Tangle is fun as usual; she's really just an adrenaline junkie isn't she. Still don't know what the deal with this tower is, or Eggman is actually trying to do, but it's just nice to see Sonic, Tails, and Amy together, a very underrated trio that is. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Snowragnarok in So which games take place on which "Earth"?   
    I feel like the difference is that while there are explicitly different incarnations of Link and Zelda in every game, Sonic and Co. are meant to be the same exact characters going from game to game. More Mario than Zelda IMO, but the main difference is that Mario has never once given a shit about narrative cohesion at all, even in the more story driven games. 
    Sonic games, at least before, kind of gave the illusion of being a somewhat cohesive setting, so that's why the sudden change is pretty jarring. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Sonictrainer in So which games take place on which "Earth"?   
    I honestly have no reason to believe that Sega actually buy into the two world nonsense, and was just an answer that Iizuka came up with when someone asked him why are there humans around. It really does feel like one of those answers you throw out when you don't actually have an explanation. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from 8ther in So which games take place on which "Earth"?   
    I honestly have no reason to believe that Sega actually buy into the two world nonsense, and was just an answer that Iizuka came up with when someone asked him why are there humans around. It really does feel like one of those answers you throw out when you don't actually have an explanation. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Speedi in So which games take place on which "Earth"?   
    I honestly have no reason to believe that Sega actually buy into the two world nonsense, and was just an answer that Iizuka came up with when someone asked him why are there humans around. It really does feel like one of those answers you throw out when you don't actually have an explanation. 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Cornelius Fudge in Sonic 30th predictions   
    I mean when the series constantly squanders its own potential and underperforms its kind of hard to not be a little cynical.
    Forces was the last game released, which doesn't exactly instill confidence in the direction of the series.
    The uncertainty is what's driving the cynicism unfortunately 
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    Kuzu got a reaction from Syntax Speedway in Sonic 30th predictions   
    The nature of the Sonic fanbase means that no matter what Sega does, somebody isn't going to be happy with it. It's just a fact that we should probably expect regardless of the actual content of the next game. You can tell people to "have lower expectations", but that's not going to deter people at all who have made up their minds on the type of game that they want, nor is it going to change their reactions when they don't get what they want. So the only thing you can do is to just make your own judgement call and see what happens. 
    I personally don't care what we get so as long as its well made, I'm not really asking for much here. I would PREFER a return to the older Adventure formula, and the things that were established there, but nine times out of ten, I know I'm not going to get that. So I can only hope that we do get is at least decent. 
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