Sean

Normally I like to unlock everything in a Sonic game but I just couldn't be bothered to for Forces

I found them infuriating and gimmicky for the most part personally, but to each their own.

They were alright, but not really of much value. Even the missions in Sonic Generations were more interesting and unique, and there were a hell of a lot more of those.

Unless fans finally make a proper 3D game and show how it's done.

The sun will become a red dwarf before we ever get past the tech demo stage.

I can't wait until next week when the new best ever 3D Sonic fan game engine deep comes out.

Now I'm not knocking the remarkable efforts of some of the projects and I understand the difficulty involved in making a fully 3D Sonic game, but really... These projects all go the same way.

Project Hero is my favorite one so far. I'm not expecting to hear anymore updates from it ever again.

I think the weirdest thing is that so many of these frameworks are open source, meaning ANYONE can theoretically use them to make "a classic Sonic game in 3D" like everyone asks, but it's never really happened.

There's nothing weird about that at all.

It's one thing to have open source engines of varying qualities, and a completely separate thing to know how to use the engine and to have the time and will to make a game using it.

That's fair, I guess it's that I see more attempts at making fan engines than I do attempts to utilize those engines to actually make games, but that's basically just the same thing as before.

The thing is, I imagine the crossover in the venn diagram of "people who are good at making games" and "people who would rather make a fan game than their own original ideas" seems to be pretty small.  Christian Whitehead is one of like, what, 4 or 5 people who have managed to put the time in to make a perfect or close-to-perfect classic Sonic game engine from scratch?  I know if I was that talented at programming, I'd be making my own dang games.

Wait, no, I admit I would probably make a sequel to Super Mario Bros. 2 first actually, never mind.

The process will speed up exponentially once people warm up to the idea that not every idea Sonic Team came up with for 3D Sonic is bad.

Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel from scratch when whats necessary is refinement 

After infinite they are not gonna try anything cool again so I expect it if not literally rapture again

It'll be GAAS and everyone will eat it up and everything will be terrible

Isn't "Space Bioshock" literally just System Shock

Not only that but it's just literally every sci-fi ever

I see people clamoring for BS4 to take place in space and I don't get it. Really boring location for this particular series

I think part of the problem is they've almost run out of "ridiculous extreme" areas to base a civilization in already. Only other thing I can think of off the top of my head is something subterrainium, but looking at nothing but grey rock until the inevitable magma section sounds kind of boring to be perfectly honest.

they opened up the space tome rabbithole in infinite so bioshock 4 could be literally anything

But we all know what it's gonna be 

Don't you like mindlessly homing attacking before mindlessly boosting and then mindlessly homing attacking again before finally mindlessly boosting into the goal?

No I prefer just flying over the entire level.

Also this shit is why I don't regret turning off the radio dialogue in my playthrough. All of the conversations from what I seen are just a bunch of nothingburgers, like the game as a whole. I don't give a flying shit over attack formations or ship 3 being hit, because it doesn't actually mean a single thing for the game

iirc that was the one level people tended to praise shortly after release, it was one of the few that stood out gameplay wise but still wasn't great overall. Its music was one of the best tracks in the game tho

Network Terminal is a much better level and the only real high point of the game for me.

It's crazy that this is the one Sonic level to have multiple routes with an interesting level gimmick.

My absolute favorite thing about the stage is that there's a part with three paths

A platforming section on the left
A platforming section on the right
And a ramp that you can just mindlessly boost on with doing a fucking thing

And guess where they put the red ring

lol what's funny is that the ramp isn't there in the beta version of the level. The Forces team just couldn't figure out how to design a platformer I guess so they scrapped the whole thing

It's the chorus 

The guitar in the chorus you hear at 1:01 is what seals it for me

I would've liked it a lot more if the lead synth was replaced with something better

The synth is what made me not care about most of modern Sonic's music in Forces for a while. After replaying the game and giving the OST a few more listens I appreciate them a lot more despite that. I enjoyed SLW's OST a lot but it's nice for Forces to return to something resembling more traditional Sonic-y music.

Same

SAME 

late response

but same here as well

(S&K PC group represent)

IMAGINE BEING A VERSION OF A GAME WITH SOME TRACKS THAT ARE THE LIKELY EXPLANATION FOR THE GAME NOT BEING RERELEASED IN YEARS

THIS POST MADE BY S&K PC GANG

Hey! That's an insult!

DOOM 3 is WAY darker than that!

Since Unleashed it's easy to imagine them tweaking the -other- characters (Werehog, Classic Sonic, Avatar) to just be another already existing character and fans would probably have enjoyed the games more for it.

I think that's been the case since Lost World, especially blatant in Runners

I know his model is redone every game but his SLW model is pretty close to his previous ones. Forces looks like the most drastic redesign since Unleashed.

- why is the spin dash so useless, and why can I only use it while standing still

- why does Sonic have zero forward momentum when using the bounce attack

- why are the right and top face buttons still unused for actions

- what's up with the homing attack taking 10 million years to accomplish

- why does Sonic shoot in a straight line when using the air dash (I ask the same thing for the boost games)

I would have went with " Sonic looks like he just learned he's not the popular icon he used to be in the 90s", but that works too.

Now he truly understands the meaning of war

@Zaysho Duh, none of it’s good. That’s why it’s called war.

Actually, that’s all I’ve been eating for the past three days.

w-why are you doing this

i nearly picked up sonic 06 on ps3, but my father told me "if it's bad, why would you buy it?"

well fuck you dad, i will get it some day

With the way P 06 is progressing I might as well wait until the 06 fanbase finally achives its dreams and creates the perfect 06 that never was to take it's place

Physics mods

Graphics mods

Level design mods

Even story mods

Then 06 fans can finally be like:

"YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD"

I've beaten it 4 times or so, IIRC

I don't really have the patience to go through the story. I grabbed a completed save file off GameFAQs and plan on playing the levels through the menu.

Oh yeah it can be a nightmare to do all those annoying side missions just to keep going, I don't blame you

The thing I find most impressive is how they styled the missile launcher to look like Chaos Gamma's from Sonic Battle. Love how Adventure 2 seems to have been cracked now.

This looks so right

I hate this

This is very upsetting to me. I love his work. 

This really blows. Unless something changes, I'm going to be actively disappointed if SEGA works with him again on future Sonic titles.

That's disappointing, just like that many lost respect for the man. 

Well, that’s disappointing, although admittedly, I never was that into his work.

Ugh I was hoping to start moving on from the Jacques stuff but I'm glad Bentley has been able to share this.

Maybe it would've been more preferred that he spoke out about the harassment sooner. Although part of me feels he kept it all private cause he thought no one would believe him. With false accusations abundant, I get why he would just until Jacques ended up making his bias public before revealing he acted that why in first place. 

Not really the best choice, but I can kinda relate to Bentley if that's what he felt. 

Posted this earlier but yeah that's despicable. 

It also stinks that Sega didn't do squat about the harassment either.

@Supah Berry This is pretty much exactly why people come out with stories like this after the fact.  They don't feel safe to do so at the time  - either due to concerns about belief, job security, etc.  Once the antagonistic party presents themselves as such in public - making them less defensible by fans who would be drawn to do so because of their work (Richard Jacques until now, was one of the most beloved Sonic composers for his legacy in the Saturn era), it creates a space where it's safe to talk about it.  Obviously in a case where someone hasn't been publicly awful like Jacques was, enough people being brave enough to come forward first in spite of the risks can also create that safe space.

Sonic CD 2 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

Oh yeah that one had me in stitches.

Have you seen the Sonic Adventure 2 one? 

Yeah it was pretty great

Now I can carry around my boyfriend whenever I desire.

And what do you know... the perfect shape.

I appreciate the modern games avoiding most of this (he does uncurl in the boost trilogy but look...pobody's nerfect). I don't like the aura thing that SA2 started and has continued to this very day outside of LW though. I actually like how he looks like a buzz saw in Forces but I wish they had just added like...normal spikes to his LW jumpball.

Yeah the SLW jumpball is weird to me because it's basically that one single frame in the Genesis games that's a solid blue with no spike texture. Feels like it needed more animation to it

The aura thing reminds me of Sonic's spinning animation in Sonic X which was early 2000s CG and always looked out of place to me lol. I saw someone on Twitter mention that the only time he does a "normal" spin attack is in episode 5 in the fight with Knuckles, and I'm never gonna get over that fact

I'm surprised LW didn't incorporate the flickering between states like that since he even has a normal spinning animation (for the weird somersault move, but also when hitting the huge planetoid springs among other instances I think).

I'm really not surprised. The enormous funding goal was probably a turn off to many potential backers, regardless of the fact that the game looks brilliant.

Yeah, it's a shame. Vertebreaker looks promising.

If Taxman was working on this it probably would have a much better chance of reaching the funding goal within the time. 

Double post, meh

At the very least if you didn't like it and in his profession must give constructive criticism fine, but he didn't even do that. Just completely flung Lee's name in the mud. From what I saw, Lee didn't directly credit him or TJ at first, but even she endorsed it. And that wasn't even posted on his own Twitter to begin with. 

If the real problem is between him and SEGA and his words paraphrasing that "this wasn't the first time" about not getting proper credit why unceremoniously bring Lee and his sister down like that? 

Going by the replies in his Twitter thread, it's clear he doesn't care about being wrong about the situation. He has a bone to pick and is coming off as a monumental jackass over absolutely nothing.

What makes it worse for me is I remember people attacking his Burnout track he did for SaASRT, where he made it clear this was his interpretation. Now someone remixes his track he attacks him.

I get wanting to be credited for your contributions and SEGA can be lazy about it here and there, but he went after the wrong party in such a tasteless way. 

Yeah we get it now you got beef. You got beef with the wrong party from what I see here.

Okay think I need to see the source of this

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What makes it worse for me is I remember people attacking his Burnout track he did for SaASRT, where he made it clear this was his interpretation. Now someone remixes his track he attacks him.

Honestly, this discredits anything he has to say as far as I'm concerned.

And besides, he was credited, his name just wasn't stamped over the video--it's in the description.

@Blacklightning

So I guess Sonic R music is going into the vault right alongside Sonic 3's stuff. 

Kind of ironic, I love R's soundtrack, but Can you Feel the Sunshine has always been the exception for me, and while I don't love the new mix, I find it a bit better with the more laidback groove that Tee gave it.

ok boomer

So someone is claiming the credit was added later. Still not an excuse to go off the deep end at Tee.

Multiple people have tried correcting him saying it's Sega he should be blaming and not drag Tee's name like this, and he's just telling them they're wrong without backing his shit up. He's only doubling down on his resentment towards Tee because he doesn't want to admit he's mistaken. Fucking lunatic.

Ugh I'm so mad/bummed out about this.  Sonic 3D is absolutely one of my favourite soundtracks of all time and now it's ruined forever.  Was always excited to see Richard dip back into composing for the modern games, I even liked some of his Boom stuff. He might save himself for me if he apologises.

Nooo, not Richard Jacques, dangit ::/

He's deleted the tweets. It's still a petty response tho