Sean

Been looking forward to this one.

never played any of these

@TCB If you like Mega Man X you'd most likely enjoy MMZ. The stories are far beyond the quality you would expect from a Mega Man game, with great twists and emotional nuance, and very subtle character development for Zero that extends across all four games. Zero's playstyle combines both X and his MMX self, and you are encouraged to play levels well and quickly with no time-wasting gimmicks that the later MMX games suffer from. Zero 2 and 3 are some of the best Mega Man games ever made with top-notch level design, music, and side mechanics which help level the playing field such as the cyber elf system (which is improved upon even further in 3 via satellite elves, which are equippable and don't affect your ranking) and unlockable EX skills from bosses similar to Zero's obtained moves in X4 that make the game that much more fun.

ZX is whatever

Can I say I never played X series either

:x

Mega Man Zero also has some really good tracks, especially for the GBA.

The arranged mixes are good too:

@TCB Have you played any Mega Man game before? The X and Zero games are much faster-paced than the classic series with dashing and wall-climbing thrown into the mix. I think the MMX series, particularly the earlier games, would be a better start than MMZ since the latter can get much more difficult.

Cant really say that I have. The only MM experience I ever really had was early on in the Battle Network series.

I take these games are out of the question on jumping into then

I recommend checking out X1-5 first so you get an idea of who Zero is, and the MMZ series references MMX's storyline and events fairly often. Classic MM isn't necessary.

They also should have just kept the Omega-Xis buster because that shit's cool as fuck :/ I remember when we saw that and people got excited about other Mega Man series getting similar cameos in MM11, what a disappointment.

Joke: DMCV Vergil DLC

Woke: Mega Man 11's Proto Man and Bass DLC

Wait. There was an Omega-Xis buster???What the heck happened?? Why did Capcom drop the ball yet again????

It was a placeholder for Tundra Man's weapon because they were still trying to figure out the design. 

Wow. Sucks that they took it out. Oy vey. Two steps forward. One step back.

You can do it, but it's a major pain. You have to be really good at the game to not use the shop.

I really like the double gear system; I use it a lot. But I can't imagine how some of this game can be completed without it. I'm sure it's possible but it seems like it'd make it harder than any of the NES Mega Man games after 2 if you tried to. Stuff like Torch Man's firewalls need to fuck off into the ether, and I'm not a fan of the bosses having pinch phases that are extremely hard to react to during your first encounter with them.

It's definitely doable. I'm surprised so many people have had issues with Torch Man's stage, as I found it easy to skip past without the Speed Gear. And many of the bosses can be defeated without the gears, you just need to get your timing down (which is actually quite lenient, you just need to not buckle under the stress).

For first encounters, though? I definitely agree that those sections can be a pain in the ass. And I guess that's what the Speed Gear is for.

I'm strongly considering doing a gearless (and maybe upgrade-less) run after this, but I suck at classic, and the marathon-length level design is so daunting at times even when buying all the upgrades I can and using gears.

Completely off topic, but speaking of bad marathon design - Dr. Light's challenge from MM11 can fuck right off as well.

Oh fuck that challenge. It's a new level of horseshit there.

I don't care if it's the far-flung future, I'd scream at a talking swan too.

Virgin Canonical MMX5: "Zero, I'm gonna fight you on the off chance you might be maverick, even though you probably aren't, and we're in the middle of enemy territory where time is of the essence" 

Chad MMZ: >Zero must destroy a X that's gone utterly mad with power, twisting the whole thing on it's head, and bringing new and important relevance to MMX4's ending

That's what happens when there's a Sonic Newbie Boom.

People log in and first thing they do is make new topics to post a comment.

Go home? lol

I just want to see my wife and children again

"So honey, how was the stadium?"

"..."

"Honey?"

I missed my son's soccer game again for this

But enough about SwSh

But Sean

You'll miss all that crucial Lore (tm)

Because charging the same price for a 25 year old GB game with little more than a graphical upgrade even though the original is available to download for £3 is also okay.

I'm lost. What game is this?

Kingdom Hearts 2.8. 

It's why I still haven't bought it 

I found "the story so far" for sub 20 on Amazon occasionally so that's  very odd

Also applies to Pokémon Mystery Dungeon in essence, just saying 

No Contest

I was about to talk you down about how wrong you were, but it turns out I'm the one who's wrong.

tol 'n smol

I came here to do the same thing Blue Blood was gonna do, but I was also wrong 

Here's why you're wro-

... *mutters PG13 language under breath*

Oh wow

It's even better than Sonic Generations!?

Marvel as I force my discourse addiction  onto this joke status 

I came here to say them's fight'n words... I leave with a simple carry on, carry on... 

I need to play dis gaem

You're not wrong, but I still slightly prefer Z2. I like the chain-rod more than the recoil rod, the soundtrack in Z2 is better, Elpizo is great, and there's no bad water stage unlike Z3 and Z4.

Having said all that, Zero 3 doesn't make you have to level up multiple times just to swing your sword three times in a row, so yeah, it's basically the automatic winner.

Zero 2 is fantastic as well, just a little rough around the edges like with the weapon leveling system, but it has great bosses and I really liked the unlockable forms even if getting them was a pain, doubly so if you were going for all A/S-ranks. It took me two playthroughs just to get them all and the EX-skills in one file.

Zero 3 was the first time I really messed with the cyber elves since the game doesn't punish you for using satellite elves, which was always my biggest nitpick with 1 and 2. 'Twas really fun mixing and matching them throughout my last playthrough.

I always preferred classic over X because it knew what it wanted to be and never tried to be anything more than that. The simple but more timeless writing and characterization (Mm7/8 aside) also helps. Never played a single BN game but from what little I gleaned the stories seem way tighter With a clear goal in mind for each game and not just making BS up and retconning shit.

I'd say the one thing X have over classic for me is the evolved gameplay but the quality is all over the place I can only really say that for less than half the games 😕

Yeah. I really wish I loved MMX as much as most people do. But the quality of the writing and actual games places it squarely on the bottom of my list of favorite MM series. I'll still take an X9 if Capcom can successfully condense what was good about X1, 2, and 4, and I have hopes that they can do it if MM11 (as imperfect as it was) is any indication of what's to come.

It's not like Mega Man can't do dark stories well, either. Zero 2-4 have some of the best stories and character development the franchise has ever seen, and even MM11 had some nuggets of potential between Dr. Light and Wily's relationship. And I've heard nothing but great things about Star Force 3 even though I've yet to play it. But when a Mega Man game is bad, it gets really bad. Honestly, I think some MM games are worse than the worst Sonic games, and no Sonic story has as dire storytelling as the later X games.

Sonic at least has the benefit of starting fresh each game instead of continuing bad story threads as they deteriorate into nonsense which is what happened with the X, the plot lines lines with Sigma and Zero specifically.

I think Infaune realized that And wanted to tell the zero focused narrative he obviously wanted to tell with MMZ after ruining the X plot with that crap trying to make it happen the first time lol

All of the bad story shit in X makes a lot more sense when you realize that Inafune wanted Zero to be the main character, but Capcom mandated they create a Mega Man since Zero looked too different from Classic. 

I don't think that has much, if any correlation. Inafune wasn't involved in the later X games (and even the first X game to feature Zero as ostensibly the main character, X4, had terrible writing), so you can't say he was intentionally jeopardizing the series over a grudge, and Capcom vetoed Inafune's idea that X should be the main villain of MMZ, and yet most people can agree that the final result - MMZ1's villain being a copy of X without committing character assassination on the original - is better for it.

MMX just thrives off cool factor alone. Every other series has something going for it.

I just prefer the gameplay of the X games out of the all the other series I've played. Classic is my favorite tho

Interesting RvB news.

"I don't feel so good"

- Mirage Saloon Zone Act 1

Mirage Saloon Act 1 is one of the few shitty levels present in Mania, so that wouldn't hurt one bit.

and a world without Tidal Whale is a world worth living in

>Sonic Forces Iron Fortress

please

please

please get rid of autoscrolling levels

Man they really do just suck in all platformers huh 

Now that I think about it…has there ever been a good auto-scrolling level in an official platformer? I wanna use that as an example of how and how not to make one.

Like Rock Lee taking off his weights.

You're like the one of the few people I've seen prefer smw over smb3 that's very cash money of you 

Mario trained nonstop for a year in order to bounce on spikes simply by spinning

Does World have any beyond that one cave level?

SMW >>>> SMB3 reason #697

@Soniman Butter Bridge 1, arguably considered the worst level outside of the Special levels.

I would have done the same a few years ago so that my sister and I could have separate towns. But I got insanely lucky and found an AC:NL card down the back of the sofa at the care home I was working in at the time. It was a dementia ward. Didn't belong to any of the staff, and obviously wasn't one of the residents either. It had a name written on the back, so we asked all visitors over the next month if they knew anything about it. Nobody did so... I got a new copy of the game.

Any time I play a 2D Mario game on a platform with four face buttons, I immediately go into the settings and change the controller layout.

I really don't know why they thought that control style was a good idea or why they didn't just add a "Control Style B" option.

what about bayo 2 pepper

you can ride the rocket arm like a hoverboard

I don't think anyone is rushing to defend X2 or X3 usually all the love goes to X1 and 4 so I don't think you have to worry about it to much 

i hate the way stuff looked in x4 beyond tbh Gimme pixel art but with more animations and shit

better hope you don't have any cyber-elves getting used

the game berates you for using cyber-elves, for some reason

@Polkadi~☆ I've been focusing on collecting them all but not using them. I'm not expecting to beat the game without any cyber elves since Copy X is a cheap fight, but it'd be nice to have a save file with all of them collected.