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  1. 2 hours ago, Doctor MK said:

     

     

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    OH GOD THE HORROR

    Toad getting the succ of his life looool

    Best official art ever.

     

    And yea this game does not appeal me that much. But dang the graphics are pretty nice especially when those realistic items come into play.


  2. Most of the results are really old and a weekly. Like I said before, some people could actually win with the low tiers in their weeklies because people not learning the match up. Especially when the game was still fresh and new. I have a strong feeling those old Zelda players have already picked a different character that's more viable. Those that still play her don't get good results other than weeklies which I doubt they consistently get 1st. 

    Most tournaments don't really count weeklies too.

    We're still waiting to see her rise but almost everyone is convinced that she is just a terrible character. She can't beat her top tier self. Same with jiggly puff, same with samus, and ganondorf. Even ganon gets better results than them yet he's still a bad character.


  3. @Azul

    So um I went back to see the tourney videos and nairo didn't win the tourney with Zelda. He faced players who are playing characters that don't even play these characters today. Looking at keitaro he played Rosalina and diddy Kong and was pretty bad with them at the time because its still early in the game. Nairo didn't even win the tourney himself lol (was really close though) but he knew he had to stop playing Zelda especially in grand finals. He had to change.

     

    And also it doesn't really matter if your already an experience player from other games. Smash 4 is still completely different. Everyone still has to learn everything and every match up they play with whatever character.

    Look at hungrybox. Famous jiggly puff player in melee. One of the best. And he's struggling hard to get good results in smash 4 with jigglypuff. Why? Its not him, its jigglypuff. Not too long ago he finally gave up on her and decided to try learn a better character which he chose Mario.

    What I mean practice with their controlllers is practicing their mains tech and general movement in smash 4.

    No one is doing perfect pivots in the 3ds, if they do try to do it then RIP circle pad. So when the wiiu version dropped with gamecube controllers that's when everyone can start exploring the game to find hidden tech that's almost impossible to perform on 3ds consistently.

    Wiiu version dropped and people have found out about perfect pivot. 

    And looking at nairo's pit in that same tourney its definitely not the same now. Him as an experienced player was still learning the character. 

    Casual at its finest.

     

    Anything that's not stock with 2-3 lives, no items, legal stages then its considered casual. (Yes some tourney still has 3 stocks)

    There is one exception. If both players in that are about to play each other in tournament agree to play on whatever stage then they can go pick any stage in the game. So I can agree with someone to pick pacland and have our game there. But hardly anyone does that because they don't want to get fucked over by some stupid stages hazards and weird stage layouts that's meant for casual play. Can be fun though if your not serious lol.

    Many people are still waiting for someone to show off these lowtiers but we see enough of them to know that they really are not great. 

    Like I said earlier, that one samus player that was doing hella good at 2gg before genisis and took a game off ZeRo which is cool, making samus looking like she can do stuff but can he consistently keep getting good results? Probably not. Where was he at genisis? Pax south? Maybe he's doing well in his local scene but anywhere else? Nothing.

     

    Blue took a set from nairo with mewtwo not too long ago. I'm pretty sure nairo was unfamiliar with the matchup and was caught off guard with blues mewtwo because blues mewtwo is actually good. Then he meets nairo in grand finals and gets bodied in both sets. Everyone thought, "can he do it again in grand finals" and it turns out he can't.

    Everyone moved on like nothing has happen. 


  4. Did you actually thought I was talking about melee. Seriously? LOL of course jiggly puff is capable of winning a major in that game. Not smash 4.

    If you wanna count nairo beating people with Zelda in the very early days of smash 4 then where is she now? Almost everyone was still learning smash 4 and picking thier mains. Especially from the Wii u version since they can really practice with their preferred controllers.

    Some low tiers can get their shine in some smaller tournies but most of the time it's a one time thing. Most low tiers lack consistency of good results in tournaments.

    Thier isn't results for free for all. Casually, you can play any character lol. It doesn't matter. Team battles is almost the same. The lower tiers would still have trouble but they can be a great support character to another character. I still don't see too many low tiers in doubles anyways because top tiers are still better in teams.

     

    Cpus don't count because we ain't fighting cpus in tourney's. The tier list is based on results from real players in real tournaments with tourney rules being 1v1 with 2 stocks in 6 minutes. 

    I don't mind talking. 


  5. I can tell you now that no one, absolutely no one is winning a tournament with jiggly puff or Zelda. The characters are baaaaad. They have waaay too many match ups that completely destroys them. Along with other low tiers.

     

    If a jiggs is winning a weekly tourney that means their scene is bad. It's just facts man. Lol. But I guess you see the potential of every bad character in this game. 

    Mewtwo is not that great. You say you have fought him a bunch to know how strong he is. Most of the time it's usually the player not learning the match up. If your constantly getting caught by mewtwos up smash then your doing not learning anything. 

    This happens to me in certain match ups because I simply just got get good with the match up like zero suitt. But its definitely easier when facing a lower tier because of their limited options. 

    When we looking at regions, Nationals, majors, monthlies, any big ones. They are no where to be found out of pools.

    And my last post was trolly but the one before was not.


  6. 30 minutes ago, Azul said:

    If I'm supposed to be convinced by a refute that doesn't even bother to support itself, you're under estimating my intelligence. Also, don't call me fam.

    First of all, do not undermine what I'm saying by even comparing it to bait. The sad thing about being a part of something is that you're subjected to being categorized together for better or for worse out of sheer laziness of judgement. For future references, making broad judgements is always going to end badly.

    Second: You're calling my opinion wrong so allow me to do the samething.

    I've beaten every single character, level 9 or great players, with every character except Mr. G & W, Villager who I hate to death and Cloud, Mew Two, Roy, Lucas and Ryu whom I don't own. You're reasoning is based on your very small frame of reference, that is to say soley your experiences, and not on any actual fact. In other words, just because you haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it's not true. How do you compensate for having slow moves? With having good timing. And being predictible is always a player problem. Every character is has its strenghths and weaknesses and it's up to the player to determine the most efficient play style to get around in a battle. 

    I can't comment on the tier list any further since I've got my opinions and you've got yours. But if you're going to say it's wrong, at least have the decency to say why instead of just expecting me to blindly believe it.

     I wonder what great players you faced and beat with a low tier.  

    Level 9 cpus.........this does not count nigga.......

    You can have all the good timingin the world and Shiek would still be like lol fuck outta here. Sheik doesn't give a fuck about frame data that's why she is dominant in this game. Her weakness is killing against a few MU which is mostly TOP TIER characters that give her trouble. She's cruising fighting low tiers and mid tiers even at high level play.

    Plus I am lazy(abit too lazy in some stuff lool). I'll happily judge if a post is bait or not. If I am wrong I still put out my reply instead of a one sentence post thinking its bait.

     

    Bait B)  lol


  7. 3 hours ago, Azul said:

    This list is shit. Mew Two's way too low. He's one of the most OP characters in the game. His back and up throws are kill throws. His up-smash is ludicrous since it's a rapid hit and has crazy knock back, and his air-back has way to much range. Not to mention, he's got Confusion which is a game changer. Don't get me wrong, I hate his guts but I'll admit even the worst Mew Two players can be deadly. Not to mention many of these characters are either too low or too high.

    But I don't believe in tier lists anyway. A good player makes the best out of who they've got. I could argue Ganon be ranked higher since he's one of, if not the strongest character in the game, and I love scoring 20 second kills with him. Due to the infinite combinations of play styles, no one character is better than the other. The different attributes allow for different play styles. It's a battle of creativity and wits.

    I also noticed that Sheik is rated the best character while Zelda is the worst.

    Jigglypuff can't beat sheik

    Little Mac can't beat sheik (how is that MU playable for Mac? Lol)

    Zelda can't beat sheik.

    Samus can't beat sheik.

    These characters have to work super hard to be unpredictable but how can you do that with laggy moves. They might win games or even sets but they ain't winning tourney's. 

    It's like with esam's samus. He's able to beat alot of lower level player with her because he is really smart but when hes gotta get serious and pick his main which is pikachu. A high tier with great moves. That one samus player at 2GG I think was making waves and even beat zero in a game with samus (mostly he had help with the duck hunt stage) but doesn't mean she's gonna be going up. Maybe abit but usually it's lack of knowledge which happen to zero and he says loosing to a samus isn't happening again. 

    I believe the top and high tier is perfect tbh. Anything below is. Alright.

    Also if it was bait then you win lol

    Also I was mostly replying to what you said about no one character is better than the other. It's almost impossible to have it like that lol.


  8. 10 hours ago, Inspector Gabe said:

    In terms of buffing fighters, only Sonic and Meta Knight are who come to mind. I don't think I'll ever understand how people are able to win as Sonic because his launching power sucks, even though he inflicts good damage. Meta Knight I think is in a similar situation, except with even less inflicted damaged.

    You must be not watching major smash tournaments. 

    You haven't seen 6wx's sonic

    You haven't seen abadongo's metaknight and apparently he isn't even the best meta knight lool at least not yet after we see how Mexican player Leo goes against the top players either he goes to the US or players go to him.

    All of sonic's aerials are really good to get some kills. Weak hit nair to bair at high percents. Good shit. Bair obviously being good on its on cause its strong and even the sour spot can kill and it last quite abit.

    Up air for them possible early kills from grounded spring and bnb (bread and butter) of side b/down b to any aerial mainly up air and bair for me.

    Sonic can get some early kills with fair even. Spindash jump offstage and hit theopponent and follow them close to the blast zone to finish it off with a fair.

    Don't get me started on dair.

     

    Yea.

    Sonic fsmash is very good. Very quick and powerful. Not so safe but its pretty quick. Being able to aim it down can hit some characters that try to grab the ledge and get the 2 frame punish. An easy one to hit it is on Rosalina since her recovery has no hit box and its pretty easy to predict where and when she will launch.

    I say easy but it still requires alot of practice of course but Rosalina is one of the easiest to punish.

    I still need to get good with it though.....

    Down smash is ground for roll reads if your not confident in using fsmash and choosing which side. Good kill move at the ledge and can also punish some players that stick their head over the ledge with their recovery. And it's good to punish those that regrab the ledge.

    Up smash is his worst smash attack. Not really reliable for a kill move but I use it rarely just to mix up for a kill. I prefer to use it only once or twice in a match. Too much endlag. Especially since it doesn't really kill.

     Down/siside b are just combo starters to set up for a kill and rack damage.

    Both would be a oooooooooo good if bsbs didn't exist. It's the main specials that has many casuals killing themselves that are trying him out because they have no idea why their jump is gone even though a double jump was not even used. (Sakurai pls fix it lol)

    This is probably one of the reasons why some people give up on sonic cause they can't keep track on their jumps and the ways they are using spindash. 

    Spring is good forgimping and for getting a follow up for a up air kill. Grounded spring can be very useful if your opponent approachs while your bouncing on it. But its also not really reliable but its good to just mix up your ways of moving around the stage and in certain situations you can get some really early kills.

    Homing attack is okay. Can get some cute kills with it from down b or side b. It had two types of end lag. One which he bounces of the ground and one were he uncurls just before he lands which has him on his hands and knees which is the lag you definitely don't want but both are very punishable anyways. On shield is alright but still punishable. 

    Sonic's tilts are very good except up tilt but it still has its uses. Down tilt can set up for a jab lock at certain percents but that's if the player doesn't tech but its pretty quick so you would have to react fast. I wanna see more sonic's use this.

    Side tilt is really good. Pretty quick and the end lag isn't bad.

    Overall, sonic has good kill moves, its just that he can sometimes have trouble killing in some MU mostly because he struggles to gain stage control since his landing options are pretty shitty. Keeping stage control is also difficult too. Committing to a spindash makes you loose control if your opponent shields it and chase after you to punish which sonic has trouble in sometimes. 

    Sonic's good because he has very good mix ups which many players complain about (aka salt) because he's being campy and running away all the time and "lol this character sucks overall" (game franchise wise)

    Being a campy sonic is boring and lame but being defensive AND aggressive is not and is Something sonic can do very well IMO. Its something called playing smart.

    But yea that's my two cents.

    If anyone else think what I said is wrong then say so if you want. I'll listen. It's mostly in my experience with sonic.

    TL;DR,

     

     

    Sonic can kill. B)

     

    Edit: I forgot to talk about meta knight. I kinda went ham with this long ass post about sonic loool.

    Meta knight can kill way easier than sonic. All you need is a dash attack, a few up airs and then up b.

    Almost works at any percent. 

    Metaknight can also kill.

    Also I hope I didn't sound rude in this post. 


  9. Oh yea I forgot that characters are limited to specific events. Not sure if I'll get the 3ds version. I probably would have gotten it if we can use any characters for any event. I'm hoping the wiiu version doesn't start doing it since we are getting this many characters. I also hope they don't cut down any characters in the wiiu version. 

    And it looks like they will reuse old renders for some characters. I'm liking the new ones like for rouge, Rosalina, sonic, Mario and the other new ones. 

     

    It seems like their is still gonna be more new ones to come since it seems like diddy is gonna have a render of him jumping over a hurdle.

     

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    Just like how they used the new render of luigi for this event.

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  10. I wouldn't worry about the renders yet. It just seems like they just using it to confirm the playable characters.

     

    Donkey Kong has a new render but they didn't use it in the picture so its not for sure that they'll reuse old renders. 

     

    I feel like some are gonna be in groups lile maybe a render of the koopalings and the deadly six in a face off or something because that's alot of them holy shit. So glad that were getting this many playable characters. I'm glad they are going all out with the roster. Now I hope we got loads of dream events.


  11.  

    I got bored and rambled. 

    Do I just find every 3rd party character to be alot of fun lol? Cloud is so fun. Wasn't excited for him at first and was a bit disappointed but after a few days of his reveal, I realized his inclusion is actually pretty big and its really cool.

    And now playing him alot, I think he can be a secondary once I play him more.

    Now bayonetta, that's the girl I wanna main. I didn't even play her games but I know how badass she is and seeing her moves just makes me to main her even more.

    Corrin looks cool too but I don't even know the character. Then again I barely knew cloud and he turned out to be fun so yea it doesn't really matter.

    Sonic/Pacman/Megaman/Ryu/Cloud/ Bayonetta

    I can see myself getting much better with ryu since hes godlike in this game and performing true shorukens is fun as hell but i still struggle with him but i think he may be close to sonic once i start to study HARD and FOCUS agasint people. I can see myself getting better results with ryu than pacman and megaman and when i say results i mean offline and online friendlies lol. Only gone sonic in local tourneys so far because im not confident with the others yet plus i do really well with sonic offline in a tourney match. (I play better I guess idk)

     

    I dunno, I thought maining all 3rd party was a cool thing to do. I'm not really forcing myself to play these characters,. They just feel right to me. If pacman and megaman didn't feel right, I'd simply choose someone else. But they were fun and they are still fun so I play them. Same with Ryu and same with Cloud. Bayonetta already looking hella fun. 

    Well technically I am forcing myself because new characters. Then again I hardly touch Roy because he's still marth. Lol

    But I do play other characters too.5677d2df97850_IMG_20151107_2304312.thumbCharacters in the bottom are who I used to play. This is pretty old but DK should be at the bottom now, and I'd put palutena ahead of Wii fit trainer.

    I'd put Lucas in front of Ike and switch Mario with peach. Starting to get better with Mario I think.

    I'd update this but I would need to use my moms laptop and that laptop is garbage so nope.

    But yea, Having all these characters would definitely be good. I would have many options when encountering a bad match up. For example I find Sonic's worst match up to be Zero suit samus. Personally I can't fight her all that well no matter which character I use but if bayonetta can counter her good then I'd definitely go bayonetta instead of sonic. Thats if I can play bayonetta good.

    How are you guys liking the 3rd parties in this game? And how is sonic for those that play him? l don't really hear you guys talk about them but I most likely forgot so whatever lol. At least cloud is being liked with most of you guys.


  12. Uploaded all of my matches just to get rid of the replays before the update. And I've heard some wanted to watch some matches. It's only in highlight reels because some were too long. I just did all of them as highlight. Full matches weren't too exciting anyways since we're using characters were not really familiar with.  Lol

    Here is my first match. The rest is on my channel. Can't link them all for obvious reasons so go watch if you want to.

    Update is definitely happening so if you want to save replays the replays I suggest uploading them before the direct. 

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