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turbojet last won the day on May 4 2012

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  1. Happy birthday, boss!

  2. Birthday happy!

  3. Happy day of birth dude!

  4. Happy birthday!

  5. Happy birthday, mate :D

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  8. happy birthday turbo!

  9. Raimi did not change anything. Raimi did not follow any character interpretation, but the one he made up and the one he made up was shit. He did not even keep the simplest of themes in Spider-man such as the death of Uncle Ben(How could it be Peter's fault for not stopping a guy who he could see was visibly armed and has no reason to believe that he could dodge a bullet?). You can change character interpretation all you want and I fucking encourage you to do this, but you can't change themes of a franchise and Raimi did that without impunity. Ultimate Spider-man is a decade old and yet does a rather interesting job at sticking with the themes by not killing Gwen Stacy or Mary Jane. They killed off Peter and somehow managed to make something out of it by placing a completely new character to fulfill the mantle. Raimi's Spider-man did nothing inventive with Mary Jane or Peter, but turned her into a whiny overly entitled mess and Peter to someone acts like his life is too centered around his needlessly whiny partner. And even then, I question your willingness to change things that had a place to begin with. I don't mind it unless you have a damn good reason to change it and Raimi had no fucking reason other than to just do so. If you are going to change something that a writer who spent years with the character set in stone, ask yourself what will be accomplished if I did this? Nothing? Okay then, don't change it. Raimi was verging on Tim Burton's Batman territory and I am damn happy that he is done with Spider-man after reading the shit he was planning for Spider-man 4. As for Web's killing of Gwen, even I said that it was off as they already wiped out scenes with Mary Jane, there is no other supporting cast other than those two, and as I said in the post, there is nothing Peter could learn from it. There are ways to kill a character and Webb fucked up as he had no reason to kill Gwen in order to fulfill a great comic event. Webb's problem is that he seems to be in a rush to reach conclusions without thinking how they have gotten to this point. Textbook example: Why is Webb's Spider-man in the costume? Even Raimi was able to logically display the reason as to why Peter chose such a gaudy outfit to wear.The costume is meant to symbolize Peter's sin. He was wrestling in that costume made for him when Uncle Ben died. It serves as a constant reminder why he should never give up helping people in need right then because his actions carry weight. Webb's Spider-man did not do anything that would have him just make a Spider costume other than he was a fan of lucha libre. That is a flaw as was Gwen's death and not because the fact that she was killed off, but how she was killed off. That difference is lost on Webb. Raimi's problem is that he created shit that was completely alien to Spider-man mythos and theme. He wasn't creating anything innovative and was a complete debauchery to the series. Doc Ock became a villain because he was picked on all the time and felt that he was better than every one. He felt that he was always right and everyone else was wrong. His actions are guided by the notion that he is superior to everyone. He is not some guy trying to right what he wronged or trying to redeem himself. And yeah, Raimi did get some aspects of the character right(Did not hurt Aunt May when she tried to stop him from hurting Spidey, used distraction of civillians in danger to hold up Spider-man), but Raimi was creating a sympathetic villain or a villain that Peter was sympathetic to so Peter acted out of character(lack of snark which is intregral to the whole Peter and Octavius dynamic as it is like a snarky internet troll versus a college professor). Raimi missed that for the sake of drama and tension. Don't get me started on Mary Jane. The only constant is that Sony have been complete fucking idiots all-around. If you want to keep bring Fullmetal Alchemist in the picture, what Raimi was doing was like Edward and Al are no longer brothers because fuck it, I feel like they are cousins. What Webb is doing is that he wants to do so many fucking things at once without linking them together and when he tries to, he does it with the grace a four year old mashing legos together like, for the sake of FMA, rushing to introduce Pride without explaining how the fuck Pride came to be. I don't really like either, but I give Webb more kudos for at least not being a snobby fuck who would turn down direction in character because he felt that the type of Spider-man snark was too immature. So fuck off with your misreading. Getting sick of people on this board.
  10. So how about that Beyond Good and Evil, Ubisoft?

    1. Soniman

      Soniman

      Turbo, I thought a man such as yourself didnt believe in fairy tales

  11. That is not the same because Raimi's trilogy was loathed by fans of the comic books because of how he simplified entire themes and origins as well as characters just to streamline it for the movie. Raimi's Spider-man is for fans who just get a summary of Spider-man that could fit into a nice paragraph while Amazing Spider-man at least tries to cater to the comics(rather poorly) by incorporating events and dialogue from established comic books into some overly convoluted mess. Raimi's Spider-man had a boring romantic interest and a complete fuck up in interpretation in character, Mary Jane, while ASM took elements from Ultimate Mary Jane(just as much as a grade stickler as Peter, revealed his secret identity to rather early into his career, pretty much his only friend) and 616 Mary Jane(gregarious personality) and put them in a Gwen Stacey archetype that's only ties to the character was that she was blonde and was killed in a Green Goblin/Spider-man fight(not even the same Green Goblin). Raimi's Spider-man literally came from nowhere with characterization such as Doctor Octopus(making him sympathetic and then tying him to Peter somehow for the sake of Drama). "But they felt like more complete movies." So? I am a fan of Spider-man. I have read so many Spider-man comics and watched several adaptations that I appreciate a movie that actually gave a shit about the nuances of the characters over a movie that does things for the sake f his arrogant assdirector. Instead for the first trilogy, I get a butchered and shallow Mary Jane, a Peter Parker who has his priorities ridiculously skewed than usual, and characters that ruined the entire theme of the character. Things like the idea of webshooters get thrown out because of some inane justification such as "why is he even called Spider-man if he does not shoot his own webs. This bothered me because it ignores a reoccurring theme called priority. Spider-man runs out of webs because so much is happening his life that he conveniently forgets to restock on them. It is a plot element that it is used to show that the emotional stress of being a vigilante and wanting to still keep a normal life is starting to wane in on Spider-man and show the dangers of his head not being in the game or him being distracted. Can't necessary do that with organic web shooters as it is a lazy element of "stress." Then you have Raimi's Spider-man's informed intelligence while Web's Spider-man regularly showing how intelligent he was(another element lost on the webshooters being organic) and Raimi's Spider-man being neurotic and whiny. Does Peter cry? Yes, Peter is the classical anti-hero. He does doubt himself. He does want cry about his life being a curse, but crying because he no longer wants to help people? Crying because he wants to be happy with Mary Jane(a character who in the movie does not deserve to be happy) and giving up a cause that he would no sooner give up because all of what he lost and what he valiantly fought for? No. That is not Peter Parker. That has more in common to do with his clone Kaine, than Peter. Peter is tragically heroic, not heroically pathetic. Doctor Octopus had no business being sympathetic. Raimi's fucking trilogy took entire themes out of the character of Spider-man and told a completely different story and people rightly pissed about. Full Metal Alchemist simply told two different stories for the sake of time to complete a series which compared to Spider-man which already had 40 years worth of character to tell a story that at least made fucking sense to the movie. Even then, I did welcome a new reboot mainly to do with Raimi's previous handling of the series and I am no way happy with Amazing Spider-man either, but to get on folks for hating Raimi's Spider-man due to this film's shortcomings? Yeah, no. Fuck Raimi. As for the conclusion that Gwen's death did not teach Peter responsibility in the comics, yeah, it did. Amazing fucked that up. One of the key differences between the "Gwen Stacy"s is that Gwen did not know Peter was Spider-man so she died because Peter did not tell her. Of course, it was not in his best interest to because Spider-man had a hand in the death of her father. The moral of her death was supposed to teach Peter that just like his inaction to do something causes pain for other's(Uncle Ben), his action causes it as well. Of course, it was a rather inane lesson simply because it reduces Peter to a bout of consequentialism, but her death does serve a purpose. Amazing Spider-man 2 screwed it up because there was nothing Peter could learn from it. It was literally beyond his control. He did everything right and just like the audience, no one could see Harry going nuts and just seemingly throwing Gwen Stacey down the Clock tower for seemingly no reason(Norman Osborn had the same reason as Harry, but Norman had years of built up frustration with Spider-man's meddling to build a criminal empire. Harry just threw one fit with Spider-man after he said no to a simple request that wasn't really a no, it was more of "maybe we should do more research before we do something rash"). So yeah, color me a bit annoyed with Sony at the moment.
  12. Fixed because you made this little nigga angry
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